Why do guys still have to make the first move?

[stratford]

It seems like this is still the norm, despite all the talk of equality, guys still have to risk rejection more often, they still have to do all the chasing, and ulimately have to make the first move.

Why is that?

[mandyfire98]

Because if women do, guys will find a way to call us sluts or low value women. They'll say it's too masculine. Basically all of the redpill incel nonsense will get spewed at us.

[stratford]

That's a bit unfair to all the nice guys :-(

[mandyfire98]

Well it's definitely unfair but it's society that dictates the rules. And most of these social rules were established by men not women. Men were who set this up years ago and now society follows. Anytime women try to change any of this we get shot down as feminists and told we are ruining everything.

So as men if you want this to change and you want women to start approaching more and taking a bigger and more upfront role in dating then you need to step up and put an end to these other men who spread redpill, incel toxic masculinity garbage. Let women start actually taking an equal role in things. Silence the assholes who want women to go back to being second class citizens with no say so.

[stratford]

I wouldn't expect women to listen to the 'redpill, incel toxic masculinity garbage spreading guys' - I don't see that as relevant? I can't understand why a woman as strong as yourself would let those kind of guys influence your behavior?
There are many women even here on GaG who are in the business of shaming and putting guys down, so it's not just guys that can be spreaders of negativity and bad vibes.
It's like you've decided I'm sexist without even knowing me.

[mandyfire98]

I don't know you so I wasn't insinuating anything about you personally at all. I'm just saying that if you want to know why women don't approach it's because society says we shouldn't because that's considered a masculine activity. Women who approach are considered not lady like. It's not just redpill it's most of society sees it that way.

I don't agree obviously and I personally do what I want. I don't care what people think of me. I'm gonna do what I want and enjoy my life. I've been called everything from slut and whore and thot and I laugh everytime at those people.

I'm gonna get mine, everybody else better get theirs. Next thing you know we'll all be in our 60s and it's too late to have fun.

[urpinkerthanbarbie]

I mean, technically you don’t have to, it’s just an idea we girls form from an early age. Growing up, watching romance movies, a girl wants to be asked. They want to ask, but they feel that if you really liked them, you would put in effort to ask them. Everyone’s different though. Some can be scared

[Anonymous]

I agree with you on this.. I almost started a thread.. ladies why is it always up to us? Then you guys complain if no one approaches you or the guys you want don't approach you.. this is the 2000's not 1960 anymore.

[Anonymous]

Some videos or advice topics on this have made me look at this from a different mindset now but yeah I never was fond of it

[Demonatrix]

They don't have to these days, women are being more confident about making the first move. However when women do make the first move they are accused of being sluts etc.

[Tim2nice]

Not necessarily. You can make a move on me anytime. I love a confident woman who knows what she wants and go for it.

[Demonatrix]

@Tim2nice That's cute. but my partner would not like it if I did that.

[Tim2nice]

My wife wouldn’t like that either but who cares?

[Jennz6]

Guys are usually the dominant ones

[stratford]

Do you prefer it that way?

[Jennz6]

@stratford isn’t that the way it’s supposed to be?

[stratford]

It certainly can be!

[Anonymous]

I almost always make the first move.

[stratford]

You are a wonderful rarity

[Anonymous]

I agree and I think it sucks.

[CubaPirate]

I didn't know they still had to

[stratford]

They don't have to, but it still seem the norm / expected.