The answer, like most things in the realm of human relationships, isn't straightforward and depends a lot on perspective, personal experiences, and the social context we're talking about.
From one angle, men might feel they have it harder in the dating world because they often feel the pressure to make the first move, come up with creative date ideas, and handle rejection upfront. There's a lot of societal expectations on men to be assertive, confident, and always ready to pursue, which can be pretty daunting, especially in a world where rejection is just a swipe away.
They often have to navigate a minefield of unsolicited attention, decipher intentions, and deal with societal expectations to be desirable yet not too forward. Women are also more likely to be on the receiving end of judgment based on their appearance or age and might feel the pressure to settle down by a certain age due to biological or societal reasons.
But here's the thing—dating is hard, period. Your gender doesn't matter.
The rise of online dating, while making it easier to meet people, has also introduced a whole new set of dynamics and pressures, from ghosting and catfishing to the paradox of choice—having so many options that it's actually harder to make a decision.
Ultimately, the "harder" part is subjective and varies widely based on experiences. It's about finding someone you vibe with, and that journey is rarely easy but definitely worth it.
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man people will say men, due to how for all time, the unfairness of men always being expected to make the first move and do the approaching, asking out, taking the lead, having to do the courting or initiate courtship, because of that, women will never have to deal with even close to the amount of rejection men have to deal with.
Women normally don't risk having their social awkwardness or social ineptness be dismissed or be perceived as weird or creepy, uncomfortable, when interacting with the other sex but men do unfortunately obviously.
Its like Women can get away with not understanding social boundaries or social cues, but men can't.
Obviously because for all time men are the ones expected to make advances on a woman they like and if the advances they make are awkward or in violation of the womans boundaries they are labeled as creepy or weird or stalkerish.
Obviously women will never have to deal with that because their never expected to make advances on a man they like and let's say if the roles were reversed or flipped around, as in, if women did make advances on men they like.
Women will never risk getting thrown those negative labels because women won't be perceived as a danger or a threat in a man's eyes but obviously it's not that way the other way around because men are typically on average a little bit bigger and a little bit stronger than women. Because of that, men can easily unfortunately be perceived or viewed as a danger or a threat in a woman's eyes.
Even though people will say to men to don't walk on eggshells when interacting with women but I do believe obviously men need to be more careful on how they interact with women a lot more than the other way around due to what I said above.
So yeah basically men need to be socially smarter than women do or just men need to have much better social skills or have a much higher Social IQ than women do when navigating social situations or social interactions.
I am a man. I know what challenges I faced when I was dating. I HEAR what other guys say about their difficulties but I suspect that much of what I hear is excuses from butthurt guys who never really figured out how to date. And guys who claim they are dating successfully may be telling lies to compensate for their failures. Meanwhile, guys who actually do date successfully are more likely to not be arrogant braggarts and I may not be hearing anything from them. So. . . I don't REALLY know how difficult dating is for guys in general. All I know is what it was like for me, and I am dating in a different generation with different rules, different expectations, and women with potentially different attitudes as compared to younger women.
And I certainly have NO CLUE about how difficult dating is for women. I hear some of the things they say but have no reason to automatically believe that I am hearing a realistic picture from them.
More importantly. . . I'm a guy and the challenges that confront me are the challenges that confront me. It doesn't make it easier believing that dating is more difficult for women and what do I gain from believing that dating is easier for women? The answer to your question cannot be ascertained with any reliability and certainty, and if it could be ascertained, it would not help me in dating.
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Because soo many western men nowadays chase cheap whores that dress cheaply, act cheaper and offer easy sex so young girls think this is what men want. Just look at today's "role models"... there's not one truly respectable woman who's achieved anything, instead you’ve moronic celebrities who often dress like street tramps or prostitution rings made fabulous in the Kardashians.
Unless that girl has good parents or self respect she's gonna grow up acting cheaply, dressing cheaply, be used cheaply and ultimately end up with some douchebag loser because legitimately good guys don't want a prostitute.
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But seriously there's a reason why an increasing number of more decent western women are NOT dating western/American men. Instead turning to Europeans or educated people of different ethnic groups such as Christian Egyptians.
Because western society men are again either chasing sluts or their behavior simply isn't desirable. I mean Americans nowadays are more prone to video recording an accident than helping.
I truly think it just depends on the situation. I’ve seen both have it easy and hard. It just depends on the circumstances, personality traits, the people we are dating. I think there are so many things that would be needed to take into consideration and even then I still don’t feel it’s accurate to one has it better or worse than the other.
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Men do , mainly because most men don’t get the attention that most girls’ receive , if a decent looking guy walked up to a girl at a club and said to her let’s get out of here and make out , his chances of that actually happening would be very slim to nothing , she will more than likely look at him like he was a perverted asshole and feel threatened by his actions. If a decent looking girl walked up to a random guy in a club and said let’s get out of here and make out , He would more than likely be all about it lol So that’s just an example, Men don’t get the attention that most girls’ receive on a daily basis , For a girl to be interested in a guy, he pretty much has to check off on all her preferences, As for guys’ we
Don’t really have that many preferences , if she is attractive , has a decent heart and treats us well we are all about her , A Girl has a list of shit that needs to be checked off for her to be really interested lolI think it isn't quite that cut and dried. I think dating is harder for certain types of men and women. Although I might lean slightly towards men, because women want men to feel hopeless and distressed about getting a date or even sex. Women want men to feel like we are at their mercy, so they want to try to control those dynamics.
Why didn’t you make it a poll? Anyway there are doem hard statistics about this:
Without a resounding doubt it’s much harder for men when all else is equal (looks, wealth, status, etc). However I also know that complaining about it will absolutely resolve nothing.
So I am not complaining because this will never change. However the only thing I am asking is that woman could acknowledge the very real privilege they have here. Acknowledging it won’t make the privilege go away. It make some women think twice about being unnecessarily rude to men who are trying to date them.
Rude when the guy didn’t do anything wrong other then being guilty of the great crime of being unattractive to the woman and having the gall to approach her. You can reject someone and be respectful about it.
Many women just assume that if they rudely reject a man then there is another girl around the corner for them. The same way they are used to always having another guy around the corner for them.
Ah No. Hell no. That isn’t how it works for guys ladies. Never ever assume a man’s dating life is the same way as yours (when all else is equal). For 99% of men it’s not even remotely the same. That’s not how it works for most guys. Just have understanding about that and you help you make better judgments when it comes to tactfully rejecting men.
Women have it harder.
Men usually date for sex. Women usually date for a relationship. It's easier to get sex than a real, stable relationship where the 2 people feel genuinely connected & are willing to work on things for the well-being of the relationship. I've often said: Which is easier to get, a faithful partner/soulmate, the house with the 2 door garage, the picket fence, the kids, puppies & kittens playing in the yard... or sex? I mean, come on... you tell me. Women predominantly want so much, men predominantly just want sex. It's really that simple. I know there are women that date for sex & men that date for relationships, but they fall into the minority. So, uh, yeah, women pretty much have it harder.
Bonus Things: Predominantly, women aren't as confident or well-versed as men are when it comes to approaching because usually men do the approaching. Also, men are waaay more used to rejection than women are. So, it's waaay harder for women to make that first move if their crush is either oblivious to the fact that they're liked by her in a romantic way or simply doesn't even know know she exists.
A lot of people are mentioning rape, stalking and violence. However, these are very rare circumstances.
If we talk abiut dating let's consider the average effort that a man and a woman does. On this forum for me it's not hard to attract guys. A picture of me is enough, I already had guys who were signaling that they would even be willing to take an airplane and fly to Europe from the United States. Doing the same, even for a very attractive man would be impossible.
It's easier for women for sure. The very rare case like rape, harassment and violence doesn't influence the average case so much.
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Guys worst concern is getting rejected or made fun of. At worst, a false allegation.
We have to worry about being stalked, kidnapped, beaten, mutilated, raped and killed.Women have it the hardest. Men are privileged in society. Society treats women like they are sex objects. Society tells men to only pursue women for sex and that any other form of relationship with a woman that is not for romantic reasons is a waste of time. So, men see friendships with other men and women as a waste of time, and sex and romance are the only relationships that are important in life. Which teaches men not to value women as human beings but only see them for sex and reproduction.
This leaves women with a lack of quality men to choose from.
Women are the gatekeepers of relationships. All they have to do is agree to go on a date with any one of a number of men who proposition them. So if a woman is having a hard time trying to date - it's entirely self-imposed and likely due to her having ridiculously high standards.
For men it's the opposite. You're casting a wide net, asking as many potential women out as possible - facing rejection and shit tests very frequently until you stumble across someone who likes you. Men absolutely have it harder.
Men, we have to work harder to have multiple options at any given time, and the burden of keeping things lively, as well as initiating any sex falls on us. Add on to that the frequency that you have options, get them back to your place or theirs, and then in the morning they get buyer's remorse.
I'm not sure how that changes with age. I haven't tried to seriously date in close to a decade though, and just kind of take what falls into my lap now. Unicorn hunting is way too much effort when you have a family.
Women have easier because 90% of women can get dates but only 70% of men can get dates. Furthermore, most women can date up, but, ignoring the 2% exceptions, no man can date up. That rule applies up to about ages 45; the crossover point. After age 45, dating is more difficult for women.
Therefore, it is harder for men to date. However, ignoring the 5% exceptions, men will date down but they will not marry down. Therefore, for marriage and considering all ages, it is equally difficult. The crossover point is age 30. Prior to age 30, it is easier for women to get married. After age 30, it is easier for men to get married.
We have it harder. I have been groped before, I have been stalked before. Men are physically stronger and if they want to do harm, they can easily overpower us and harm us.
Some guys may not be aware, and even some girls may not be aware because guys throw themselves at us. But because they do that, it can give you the false security that you have access to all guys all the time. But you get older and you may have to compete against the younger women.
On top of that there is that biological clock that just keeps ticking. Or you drown yourself in the attention you get from the guys. Or you start looking for your soulmate from the get go and you have to filter out all the guys that aren't right for you.
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... these days I believe it's more difficult on men. When your group is primarily the "asker", you're going to be primarily "the rejected". Egos are fragile these days and if men get a few rejections early on, they will retreat and work against their own odds.
If you're a woman, rejection comes more in the way of not being asked out by the one you WANT to ask you, no matter how many other men ask you out! I'm not saying that's a bad thing - you should never accept a date with someone you don't want to spend time with. There should never be such a thing as a "pity" date.
It just goes both ways. I think a relationship once you’re together should work both ways. Both people should be giving equal effort, and if anyone thinks that is bad… I think they have a problem. Because they expect their partner to love them. But they don’t need to love their partner. Makes no sense to me.
In a traditional relationship the men do the work and the women do the housework and childcare. Now both parents should bond with the child. But I mean childcare.
But a lot of stay at home moms now. They want to bitch and play the victim. Act like their husband is the worst. Because he goes to work and she had the privilege to stay home. A lot of men who stayed home with kids habe said irs the easiest thing they ever done.
Not all stay at home moms. Some are great people.Women have it harder by a mile. The only hard thing for me was working up the confidence to ask, and that would have been harder if I were female seeking male because women make so much more effort to be approachable and kind, and because our culture expects them not to make the first move.
Women have to worry about the small but still terrifying percentage of men who are rapists and killers, the large percentage of men who are just jerks, the massively greater cost in time and money and health to be accepted as attractive, body shaming, slut shaming and other double standards, and their narrower window to reproduce.
I probably still missed some.
So, women trying to date men, I feel for you and I'm sorry our world is so fucked up. There are still many success stories though so try to focus on those.Women.
Women are more likely to be killed by a date, stalked by a date, and overall face violent crimes from a date (as well as boyfriends/husbands for that matter).
Sure, men may get rejected more often than women, but being rejected with a bad case of blue balls is better than being murdered.
I think it's equal just different problems. Guys have to work so much harder to attract a girl and get ignored by most of them and girls seem to get a lot more attention to the point that they have to filter out the good from the bad. Problem is because they have more options they become more picky and the good ones often get pushed away so they keep finding bad ones that look like good ones.
It's hard to objectively answer this because I obviously have never dated as a women. However, my general impression is that guys have it a lot harder nowadays. Even a below average woman can download Hinge and get a date tomorrow if she wants to. For even average guys it's a lot harder, there's way more competition for dates. I think this is also reflected in how each gender vents about dating. Usually women will vent that their dates aren't good enough while guys will vent that they aren't getting any dates at all.
Depends on where you are on the totem pole of attractiveness. Obviously a good looking man or woman gets more attention by the opposite sex, and you go from there. Good looking members of each sex, have a easier time attracting potential partners.
Depends on your attractiveness. Attractive women have a harder time than attractive men, but unattractive men have it much harder by default than unattractive women. Basically as a below average man you’ll die alone unless you find a clever way out of your unattractiveness. Which usually involves making as much money as possible.
Women no contest
because women have less time than we do
women are born with their beauty and fertility which only decreases as they age
It’s much harder for women to lose weight also
this is why it’s ok to make fun of fat men but not women
And because women have entirely too much competition as far as attractiveness goes
This is why Attractive men have such an easier time because there isn’t Many of them
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