Should girls be entitled to get good treatment from Men?

[chris_987]

[19magic]

Nobody is entitled to anything, but nobody should make another person feel like shit either - unless they deserve it of course, but you don't know that straight away.

[chris_987]

No one is entitled to anything, but women will argue that they're entitled to a man of paying on a first date. And a man getting them flowers on Valentine's Day.

So I would disagree. A lot of women think they're entitled to things without having to work for them.

[IslaTheWitch]

a lot doesn't mean all or even the majority... people are different...

[chris_987]

I'm willing to bet all the money I had that is the majority of women that are entitled. They haven't been taught anything else

[IslaTheWitch]

I would say most women know how they want to be treated. But entitled is a very strong word, and basing on my observations I think you would lost your bet.

[dustybiker2]

It isn't the 50's anymore. Care and attention is appreciated, but not expected. I have more respect for people who go through the efforts, especially strangers and am the type of person who will return it if possible.

[chris_987]

What does the 50s have to do with anything? I would say that when girls were more feminine it makes sense to pay for the first date and cheat women With respect, because they were nicer to men overall and at that point you feel more compelled and it wouldn't be an entitlement. But overall women's attitude towards men have gotten worse, but they still expect the same treatment that the girls got in the '50s.

[dustybiker2]

I was using the 50's as an example of expected treatment back then.
You bring up woman being nice, so in turn earning more respect and attentions. This would be the same of anyone in how people treat us..
But in romantic relationships people who love us back are naturally going to be treated better by us. No?
So it's not really entitlement so much as earned attention. in my opinion

[chris_987]

A man doesn't love a woman when he first sees her. He lust after her. So how can you love somebody enough to pay for the first date? There isn't any love there so the woman asking for men to pay on the first date is just being entitled.

[dustybiker2]

It's still desire and respect

[XXblack88]

By good you mean holding doors open and pulling chairs out for girls no. If a guy chooses to do this for me that on him and him alone.

[chris_987]

Well that was referring more too girls saying That guy should buy flowers and and take them on expensive dates.

But the way I see it is guys don't feel entitled to sex. We know we have to work for it by charming her and being funny and seductive. If girls are smart, they'd realize that it goes both ways. If they want us to actually like them then they should be something that we want in a woman.

[XXblack88]

Oh, ok well I agree with you on this one

[chris_987]

Are you black?

[XXblack88]

No but it is my favorite color

[XXblack88]

@chris_987 I can't change it even if I want to I already tried

[chris_987]

Are you saying that you found me go out with black guys?

[XXblack88]

yeah pretty much

[chris_987]

Well I'm black so what's up?

[XXblack88]

lol yes, I see that. not much is up

[chris_987]

Where you from?

[XXblack88]

OK USA

[laly520]

be good so other can be good to u

if she or he wants to be treated in good way then they have to treat other side as good as what they r asking for

[chris_987]

But then that leads to people getting taken advantage of, I say you should compel people to treat you name and want to do things for you based on your attitude.

You don't end up getting flowers or a man who wants to take care of you. then maybe It's because you feel entitled to it instead of actually doing something to actually warrant it

[laly520]

when doing good it doesn't have to always wait for anything in return
it paid off for me at least
first it helped gaining more inner peace
second it lead to meeting a guy who really treats me good n is caring
third even if I dont get anything in return I would still feel nice after being a good person n not a jerk in a world full of jerks

[chris_987]

Yeah but we should act like a lot of people aren't entitled nowadays

[laly520]

lot of people r simply too wicked n evil nowadays
stay safe

[chris_987]

What makes you say that? Where are you from?

[laly520]

lot made me say that n ig its pretty obvious, stuff we witness daily
I am from the US

[chris_987]

What part of the US?

[laly520]

in NY

[chris_987]

Oh I heard you guys got migrant crisis over there

[laly520]

all types of crisis

[chris_987]

What's the one that's affecting you the most

[laly520]

mostly pollution
NYC is a distaste

[laly520]

disaster

[chris_987]

Pollution? Are you a liberal

[laly520]

I dont think I am a liberal
but I do notice it daily
n its affecting everyone health

[chris_987]

But it's not as bad as covid

[laly520]

its very filthy in some areas
n not safe

[chris_987]

So why not just move

[laly520]

planning to move in right time

[chris_987]

Where you going to move to?

[laly520]

somewhere in Europe since boyfriend from there too

[chris_987]

You're also in a long distance relationship too

[laly520]

he comes to visit often
currently he is here n will stay for 3 months

[chris_987]

I'm just saying it's a very peculiar that a lot of girls on this website have long distance relationships. I never knew it was so prevalent

[laly520]

its my first long distance relationship
tho I dont feel like it is cuz he comes frequently n I go too

[chris_987]

How'd you guys meet?

[laly520]

we met first time when I was travelling to europoe, vacation

[chris_987]

Lucky you!

[laly520]

indeed
got so lucky
for once

[IslaTheWitch]

we should treat well all people regardless their gender

[chris_987]

What the hell are you talking about?

[IslaTheWitch]

good treatment shouldn't come from the gender

[chris_987]

That isn't how women see it though

[IslaTheWitch]

I'm a woman, and I see it that way

[chris_987]

You're also a witch so If anything, you'd be the last person to be able to relate to the majority of women

[IslaTheWitch]

it's true, but I still live here between them and have my observations.

[chris_987]

I don't think you understand the definition of entitled, You said muscle men know how they want to be treated. Wanting treatment without doing anything to deserve it is called entitlement. the more you talk The more you proving my point

[IslaTheWitch]

knowing how I want to be treated and expecting it are two different things.

[chris_987]

Are you going to do anything to warrant this behavior? From the guy

[IslaTheWitch]

I respect people. And show this respect in my actions. I talk to people and get to know them. I show affection if I feel it.

I don't beg.

What exactly do you expect a woman to do to "deserve" good treatment?

[chris_987]

Tbh I have no idea what you're talking about

[IslaTheWitch]

You asked if I would do anything to provoke this behavior from him. And I say - no. I will treat him with the respect he deserves, regardless of whether he treats me the way I want or not, as long as he doesn't hurt me in any way.

If I know him well enough, I can share details with him, but still, it doesn't mean I expect anything.

[chris_987]

See how we were talking about women on a whole. But then the conversation shifted towards how you treat men? How do you suppose that happen?

[IslaTheWitch]

I can't speak for all women. If you want a generalization you will have to do a research.

[chris_987]

No need to do research. Just listen and they'll tell you how entitled they are

[IslaTheWitch]

for now all answers are against your theory

[chris_987]

I already explained why girls don't think they're entitled, but if you ask them what they deserve the list a bunch of entitlements. A lot of them are very smart

[IslaTheWitch]

no one agreed with you

[IslaTheWitch]

and the reason is quite obvious. We don't have to feel entitled. We can achieve things by ourselves. we don't need any entitlement

[WhyohWhy69]

If she’s good to him. There is common respect though for each other that men who ask questions like this lack. They get called out on it and blame others.

[chris_987]

I'm even talking about before she meets the guy. Girls would often say no man should hit a woman, That's entitlement. Girl say a man should pay for the first date, That's entitlement. They also say you should buy flowers on Valentine's Day, also entitlement.

You shouldn't do anything. You're not compelled to do. Especially if a girl's attitude is so bad that you don't want to do any of that stuff.

But girls often say no one is entitled to anything, but you fail to realize that women already have a lot of prerequisite entitlements.

[Nikki1989]

Nobody should feel entitled.

[chris_987]

How many times have you told a girl not to feel entitled to a man treating her nice?

[Kykiono1]

Nobody is entitled to anything

[chris_987]

Unfortunately many women don't think this way, but you can compel someone to treat you nice based on their behaviour