Like... I'm allowed to be sexist because I'm a girl. You pay for everything. Give me a seat! Help me out please I don't wanna do it myself. Protect me and risk your own life!
And of course, the infamous "You can't hit me because I'm a girl, but I can beat you to a pulp"
And of course, the infamous "You can't hit me because I'm a girl, but I can beat you to a pulp"
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Those are 2 different sets of women. Usually, I find traditional women who like the "special treatment". NOT the feminists. And for some reason, every (negative) thing a female does or says is associated with feminism. Got fucking damn anti-feminists are more rampant and annoying these days than fucking feminazis.
HOLY SHIT
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Me, I am female, but I do pay for dates with men *GASP what? No fucking way!
And today, I gave up my seat not only to women, but men on the bus. *GASP WHAT?
I also helped some little old lady cross the street (if it were a little old man, I'd have helped too) *GASP huh?
I don't hit others, and I don't condone violence for either gender. But if they hit you, yea, I think you should be able to hit them back, male or female. BUT only use necessary force. NOT excessive force. Male or female. If a man slaps a woman, she can either walk away (I would highly recommend that) or hit him back, but not beat him to a pulp. That's not justified in my opinion. (Or vice versa)
As I said, the women who enjoy special treatment usually dislike feminism. But for some reason, some people think every woman is a feminist. NOPE. I agree with much of feminism, as with MRAs, but I consider myself more egalitarian.
I really hate when people ask questions like "Why do girls. . ." or "Why do guys. . ." Oh stfu. Y'all fuckers who ask these types of questions don't know every fucking girl or every fucking guy, so these generalizations are worth shit. If you said "some" or the ones you encountered fine. But you made very ignorant generalizations. Dumbass.
^ this 0_0
@Hephaestus thank you :3 lol
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I do love reading your opinions. When will you post some "takes". I bet they would be great!
@Red_Arrow lol thank you. But you might be the only one who likes my opinions! :x
I don't wanna post any takes cuz they'll just be more rants with a shitload of profanity and calling people dumbasses haha
I might consider it though :)
We still live in a pretty sexist world, even in the western world. But we do have some equality, too.
Being "a gentleman" (opening doors, paying for food, etc) is an ancient habit of the richest classes who deemed themselves "civilized" by treating the ladies "right". Remember that at those times a woman couldn't earn money or own a house, or even decide about the life of their children. And, since women were considered "too weak and fragile" things like carrying objects and opening doors were seen as "helping" those poor, weak women. Being chivalrous was a small repay for the non-existing rights of women. .
Now, when equal rights came in, it was only written on paper. The reality is, it's hard to change a cultural mindset. Many men are still expected to be the providers, even though women can work and earn.
So many girls are taught from a very young age that a good man is one that is chivalrous. So girls are born in a world where (at least on paper) they're equal to men, but culturally, they're still subjected to that same mindset of the old times.
I consider myself a feminist, and I don't find it right that men are still expected to do those things like it's a duty. I'm not for chivalry, I'm for KINDNESS. Really, free acts of kindness.
I sometimes pay for my boyfriend, or open doors for him. Because we're both broke-ass students, even though he always insists on paying. Sometimes I just can't pay, no matter how much I insist, maybe because it's so wired in him, too.
All women are entitled to equal rights. But not to "special" treatment. That's YOUR choice. You can choose to be KIND or you can choose to be totally and always equal. If your date doesn't understand it, then it's time to move on and find someone else.
But understand that, unless you're dating a narcissist, women who act like that just aren't aware of the history behind chivalry and gentlemen.
I'm laughing because this reminds me SO MUCH of my best friend who's a feminist. I don't remember the conversation completely but I remember saying, "so you want the benefits to be equal between guys and girls but not the responsibilities?" and she was like, "... ya" there are girls like this but then there are girls like me who just want plain "equality". Some girls don't understand that in some aspects guys and girls just aren't equal biologically. Men are typically stronger than girls and they can't seem to accept it. Like, I lift weights and I still accept that guys who don't as much as I do are still stronger than me because that's just the way we were built. My friend however, says that she can beat a guy up whenever he fucks with her and I'm all "you do realize you're setting yourself up to be murdered?" she's very small and scrawny also. I don't believe girls like that should ever be cocky about being able to beat up a guy. Sorry I kinda changed the subject so much but I agree with you completely and it bugs me too when girls are like this.
Actually she was setting up the guy to be thrown in jail.
These types of girls are also the ones who will abuse a guy over and over again yet the second he retaliates back suddenly she's running to the police playing victim making up a totally different story instead of what actually happened.
Exactly, I'm not trying to put anyone down in my response but it concerns me as to how naive people can be. I also don't like how girls take advantage of hitting/abusing guys like it's nothing but when they swing back, shits about to go down. Like, please don't set yourself up for this.
Feminists actually disagree with hurting others. They wouldn't promote non violence, then be violent to a man because they can. There certainly are double standards when it comes to men and women, but women and men can recieve help from one another when necessary. For example, maybe a man will help me with my tires and I'll help him pick out a present for his mom. Maybe he'll cook for me one day and I'll cook for him. It's a give and take thing between the genders, working together where there abilities fit best. Just because we strive for equality doesn't mean any of that should change. Sometimes men just want to help and give special treatment to girls because that's just how some men are. And it's also how some women are. You just haven't met mature women who can understand that and aren't asking to get special treatment.
If it is offered and we are willing to take the help then we will say yes. But those girls who are demanding of it have issues, those girls lack intellegence and maturity and demand things out of people. But we are not all like that, especially feminists that demand equality in the workplace and in general. Hope this helped.
Completely agree with you except the feminist part
You associate the term feminism with crazy girls. You should learn more about the term. It's basically the same as humanism. They just want equal rights. Don't assume.
No you should learn more about the history of feminism and look at some famous feminist quotes, Don't assume :P
That doesn't mean feminists are doing that? You're stupid. Not all feminists are bad.
Feminists (not all, but many) have been violent activists since the start of feminism. Several burned down houses, assaulted police officers. While most now probably don't don't believe in violence, you can't say "real" feminists don't because the original leaders of the movement did believe in violence when necessary for their movement. And that was past the realm of self defense
i doubt that you have actually found all of thoes characteristics in one girl.
I have noticed there are two types of girls that like to hit guys. One type of girl is always ready to hit a guy. She is on alert becasue she is typically crazy and has anger problems. She is always ready to hit him but she won't do it unless he cheates (she would actually probably chop his dick off if he cheats) or her if he just did something extremely disrespectful to her so she got mad and hit him.
The second type actually enjoys dating guys that she can hit (although she won't admit it). She is usually crazy too. She likes to be the bully, the boss, the master while he is the dog. she will call him names and belittle him too. She will hit him any chance she gets and usually over something small, say he walks in the room and trips over his own feet (the guy usually has no confidence) She will go hit him and tell him to toughen up and walk straight. Depending on how low the guys self esteem is, these relationships can varry in length from a year to a few years. the guy will leave her when he works up enough courage and gets his balls back, but she will turn right back around and find another guy that she can hit.
The girls that want a guy to protect her and save her life while she acts all weak is another type of girl and she is most likely not gonna hit a guy because she likes to act weak. If a burgerler came into her house, she is not gonna go fight him or shoot him, she is gonna scream for her man to do it.
there are girls who do not really care whether a guy pays for her or not because she was prepard to pay for herself and him anyway. Girls like this actually really do want to be equal and they are not punching a guy unless its self defence. They are trying to make money and get far in their carreers so that they can be independant of men. In the old days a woman could not survive if her husband or father died so being independant is a very good thing.
what you said is like saying all girls are the same because you have seen one girl do something. You shouldn't generalize people.
Calm down, the MHO has been decided.
nah i dont care about MHO, just gettin my point across. You asked a question out of ignorance so i am trying to inform you... However sinse you mentioned it, judging from your choice of MHO it seems more like your question was actually a rant and that you really were not looking for a real answer.
But could it be that you are regretting your MHO decision? after all choosing a MHO in less than 24 hours hardly gives people much time to respond. The website actually give you a whole month to get responses before you have to choose.
"since" not "sinse"
You're welcome :D
you still didn't answer my question so i will just take that as a yes
Personally I don't. That deciscion was made by men long ago in the "golden times" when they decided that they ran everything, and before you say it no I'm not a feminist I iust believe that we should have equal rights.
I'm perfectly capable of opening my own doors, paying for my own food, and standing on my own two legs though I do find it very sincere/romantic when guys do act like gentleman every once in a while, but like I said I can do it all myself. It doesn't have to be done on a daily.
And frankly I actually I do stand by the whole "you should never put your hands on a woman" it was just the way I raised. However, You do have a right to defend yourself. So in the circumstances that she is beating you into a pulp hit her back for peat sake! The "you should never put your hands on a girl" just means if you skis respect her, cheat in her, etc and she smacks you, steps in your foot, or even knees you in the balls no matter how bad it may hurt let it slide. But it the girl keeps hitting you common since most guys are stronger than girls push her to the side and walk away or smack her back. Defend yourself!
Uhhh. This is where I stand. I believe you should never hit another person, unless your life is endangered. And I believe that a man should not hit a woman back, but WHY do I believe that? Because if he does hit a woman back, no matter WHAT the reason is, he's going to jail. He's going to get the blame. No matter what the woman did--face it, ladies, we can get away with stabbing a man, but if he slaps back, or pushes you, he's in jail. Plain out. THAT is the only reason men should not, ever, hit a woman back. He will get the punishment. However, I DO believe that this is not right. I believe that a man SHOULD have the rights to strike a woman back, if she hits first. And I believe a woman should be able to strike back, if she is hit first. The way I feel is you never, never start a fight, but you ALWAYS finish it.
As for paying for my own dates--BLAME WOMEN? The few dates I've been on, when I try to pay, I'm not let to. I always offer, and always have a mini-argument over it, but the guy I date usually pays. Every now and then when I actually win the mini-argument, I do pay. So it's not all women that do that "men pay" thing. It's a lot of men that do it, too.
As for opening doors? I don't care if you're black, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, female, male, Martian, pink, green, or purple--though, some of those should be hospitalized--I'm holding the door open for you, and I expect the same treatment. It has nothing to do with gender/race. It has to do with being a respectful, polite human being. EVERYONE should open doors for EVERYONE. I don't care what gender I am, or you are. If you see me struggling with five bags on each arm, and slam the door shut in my face, DAMN RIGHT I am going to give you an earful, because damn straight I would have been holding the door open for you even if you just had a candy bar in your hand. I don't care.
As for protecting someone. Yes. I believe if you love someone, male or female, you protect them with your life. I would.
Some women are like that, some are not. It has been my experience that the ones who are like that are the leftard feminist misandrist loons.
I gave up extending the little social courtesies such as holding doors open for women, because I became tired of sour-faced angry feminists almost spitting at me as they told me that it was demeaning to them. Okay. The last one who said that, I let the door go while she was still half-way through it. Oops!
When I saw a woman struggling to change a tyre on the side of the freeway and I stopped to help I was abused for my trouble. After that, I was not inclined to tell her that she was trying to use the jack upside down.
Those incidents and string of other unhappy encounters with members of the sisterhood have made me disinclined to offer assistance to any woman whom I do not know.
As for not hitting a woman, not this man. I will not hit a woman first, but if a woman tries to hit me all bets are off. She has just put herself on equal footing with a man, so should expect what comes of that.
If she produces a weapon of any kind, she will be treated as any man. It is called self defence.
i actually only know a few who are like that, for the sake of argument i'll humor this
everyone has the right to their views and opinions, whether they're sexist, feminist, scientologist or even Illuminati doesn't really matter
i actually want to pay but i never get to, its common courtesy for guys to pay since the days of old and some women abuse this but some don't and others like myself would rather pay than burden them
i'm sure about the rest of the world but here at least seats (like in trains for example) are prioritized to the pregnant, disabled & old, if theirs a free seat its usually first claim rule, but some guys tend to let the girl sit instead, again common courtesy, its starting to get popular again due to increase in the number of grope/molestation cases in trains, very few women ever abuse this at least where i live
this tends to be a moderate issue, but there are those who don't want to do it themselves and those who just can't, for example girls aren't known to be strong, there are some things only guys can do, granted there are some who abuse this too much
err, wha? i dont even.. ... you do realise some girls dont like being weak and frail right? that some try to be able to defend themselves, guys tend to like the idea of being the white knight in shining armor but until you realize the feeling of being absolutely helpless, powerless & vulnerable you can't begin to understand, it hurts to be weak, sometimes no matter how hard we, i.. try, i can't fight..
guys invented this concept and some girls tend to abuse that, but here's a question, if you wanted to hit a girl, could you really? thats why it became an unwritten rule for guys not hurt girls, that and we're naturally a lot weaker than guys, i dont like the idea of some women who abuse and beat guys up (especially for those who choose not to fight) but you could easily do the same, guys often do much worse, and you have no idea just how much
You're not talking about girls in general, you're talking about the evil psychotic femnazis. But seriously dude, I don't even know about feminism anymore. When I first herd about it I wanted to be a feminist "equality for the he genders? Heck yeah I'll jump on that train!" But then the fake statistics about unequal pay came out and I was like "wait a sec...". The disturbing feminist propaganda video of little girls in princess costumes cussing on and on about shit they don't even understand is what drew the line. No way in hell am I gonna identify with these crazies. So back to plain jane equalism for me.
MHO material.
Feminism is about equality. I don't know any real feminist who acts like this. I'm a feminist and I always pay for my own meal or movie tickets when my boyfriend and I go out. Sometimes he likes to treat me and pay for me, but that's his decision, but I would never assume it of him. Feminist's certainly don't believe that it's okay to beat men! If a man can't hit a woman, then a woman can't hit a man, simple as that. Feminists are usually opposed to violence in any way shape or form. These girls that you know sound like assholes lol I don't know any girls like this at all.
I find that the women who expect this have been heavily influenced by society's outline of gender roles. They've had men treat them like princesses in the past so now that's what they want. If a guy does actually want to be chivalrous like that, he can be. It just shouldn't be expected anymore.
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Fortunately, most girls aren't like this. Most girls I meet realize that in some areas, they'll always have a disadvantage compared to men, and in other areas, will always have an advantage, and they like it that way, and don't complain much.
It's only a bitchy few who expect it to work both ways.
What areas?
Really? It isn't obvious?
no it isn't. I'm stupid
And omg what's so bad about wanting to be treated like an equal?
Nothing is wrong about being treated like an equal. What's wrong is wanting it BOTH ways - being treated like an equal when that benefits you, but being treated "like a girl" when being equal would work against you. In other words, like the girl in the meme I posted. She wants all the advantages of being a girl but none of the responsibilities of being an equal.
They are entitled to equal rights, but not special treatment.
Sure, some women do think they need to be treated special, but not all, not even the majority. Don't get with that type of women. The women you wanna be with are those that don't expect you to treat them special, they don't ask for it, but they will appreciate it like no one when you treat them special. These are the type of women that you just wanna be chivalrous with, because they don't expext you to do it, but they will definitely appreciate what you do.
i dont know what kind of fucked up date you had. in my case i treat women as people because they simply are which is mostly seen as refreshing, i dont know why guys make it out to be rocket science to be or how to treat a woman. if you are cool, sophisticated and have your shit together its not a matter of entitlement from either side. I usually pay start up bills since I like to share and give, to friends, gender neutral. Mostly this is greatly accepted and after that nice dinner when we are hitting the cool, hip lol, cocktail bar i get drinks paid by my date. I dont go for stereotypes, these are not the people I spent dates with. If you are an interesting guy and you have a good time together does it really matter who pays or not pays what. Hello 2014...
I can assure you, no reasonable person, guy or girl, wakes up one morning and says themselves "Gee, wouldn't it be fun to hit someone who can't lay a finger on me?"
Secondly, there are differences between men and women. This has nothing to do with equal rights though; they aren't any less human. Yes, girls will respond positively to this "chivalry" or whatever you call it and why shouldn't they given where they're coming from? Sure, there are some that take it too far, but most of these have serious unresolved emotional issues that they're dealing with.
â–²this guy right here
Lol special treatment and equal rights are not the same thing, first of all.
Second, not all girls want the things you say. If I slap a guy he has a right to hit me back- though it would be better if he didn't and I apologized just because he could hurt me much more (men tend to be stronger).
Oh, and also. In my case I don't make the guy pay for dates at all. I pay for myself to be considerate. If he really wants to pay I let him and show my appreciation later, just because it's awkward to fight over the check.
I get my seat too lol. And I don't expect anyone to sacrifice their lives for me.
You need to find girls that aren't entitled like that. Because there are girls like me who wouldn't expect those things of a guy.
And I hope you don't think all girls think like the way you wrote your question. Lol. I'm one of many exceptions.
The same reason some guys think it's okay for them to sleep around, yet girls who do it are sluts, they want women to pay for dates, but don't want to do housework - we're all selfish. We want the good part of equality and the convenient part of traditional ways.
Refreshing to see this is coming from a guy. I agree, entitlement goes both ways. If I'm not mistaken, on another online site I've seen some guys who keep complaining about the ''not hitting girls'' double standard and how ''it's suppose to be equality yada yada'' but yet they were sloot-shaming girls that have casual sex and called them damaged goods and how they wouldn't considered her gf material while they have their fun themselves (and the woman has to accept them as bf material, esp the low count types they're looking for LMAO) . So suddenly what happened to their so call ''Oh I'm fighting for equality, blah, blah''.
only girls do slut shaming
some guys do too
its not a social problem. Its the girls who need to stfu and stop being nasty to each other
There will always be nasty people of both genders. If none of the guys are sloot-shaming then what can be said about this post:
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q1220201-if-a-girl-had-a-boyfriend-but-still-a-virgin-is-she-still-wife
In there, the guy isn't a virgin himself but expects the girl to be waiting for him till marriage.
That's double standard right there too and double standards are just what those guys don't want.
I'm only talking about forward thinking people. I don't know what muslims you hang around, but... ah nvm
Honestly I think feminism is a good thing but many people are coming about it in the wrong way. I personally believe if I do the same job as a guy I should get paid the same but I also believe if I smack a person they have all the rights to smack me back whether they're male or female.
From what I've seen many girls think to be a powerful intelligent woman you cannot be submissive or do dainty girly things but I don't see it like that. I find that a girl can be a housewife and still run a successful business, she can be submissive when she wants to and as aggressive as she needs to be when she wants to be.
And I also don't believe in the whole guys should ask the girl out first thing because well I don't know I just find it absurd like if I want to pursue somebody I will as long as they allow me to. And I've noticed because I believe in this^^ my relationships usually goes pretty well.
For me the real equality the women needs is not about those trivial things like you said. 'special treatment'.. The real issue with women's inequality is the unequal opportunity in social, work, economic, education politics etc etc. There are millions of women around the world who are unfairly treated in these vital foundations of society. We need equality because by taking out the women in these sectors, it's the same thing as taking out the chances of potential smart people making changes for the society for the better. It is not fair for the millions of women to be taken out the opportunity to achieve something greater because of something they didn't have control from... which is being a woman.
That's the real equality the women needs. Maybe some people don't see the need for equality because they are happy from the comfort they have, but for millions of women who doesn't have the luxury; they beg to differ.
This question is so profoundly stupid it should be further studied in the field of psychology under neurodevelopmental retardation. .
Because I'm a human being damnit, you're not better than me because your a guy. The hell do you think you are?
I agree things should be 1/2 and 1/2 and it's ok if either party wants to be occasionally generous but other than that there's no reason to question why woman should be treated fairly.
For me, the thing about having others buy things for me comes from too many lost battles with dates who refused to split the bill... After a while I just stopped offering unless the price was high or I didn't think they had enough money to pay for it all themselves. I also had to teach myself to stop opening doors for guys unless I had already gone through because they would usually take te door from me and let me in first instead.
A lot of what you listed comes from how many men treat women, so many women come to expect that behavior. If you want to change it, don't encourage it. Just don't be a jerk in the process =)
Understood!
I don't know any girls who believe all of those things simultaneously. I know that some out there do but most girls don't think like that.
Old traditions take a long time to die. Hence a lot of women will be surprised if a guy doesn't hold open a door or offer to pay. However these usually are not the same women who are super-feminists that want equal treatment.
And most women will agree that it isn't okay to beat up a man. Women are physically weaker and smaller so a man and a woman fighting isn't considered fair. That's where that logic comes from.
All the shit on cops, or even the news, have you ever seen them hauling the woman away for beating on the man? rarely if ever. Look at that camera not long ago of that one celebrity where the sister started kicking the shit out of him in the elevator. Did anyone express outrage she was not arrested? no
but if that guy would have even slapped her to calm her down he would have been arrested. and persecuted in the press.
Now unless your defending your life I feel you should never hit a woman. but so many have zero respect for the fact that if they were men they would get the shit kicked out of them.
They want equal treatment but when it comes time to pay for the date, they never reach for their purse.
They scream about double standards but they perpetuate many of those double standards.
firstly i hate people buying me things and paying for me, secondly i hate anyone who's sexist and actually wrote a speech defending male rights, thirdly if anyone ever risked there liives for me id punch them in the face for being stupid and thinking i can't handle myself, and finally fucking go ahead and hit me i couldnt fucking careless its not like it hasn't happened before anyway.
so as for special treatment not everyone gets nor do they want it, so maybe you shoud change your title to why do SOME girls feel entitled to special treatment and equal rights, which also why should we not have equal rights?
Look, the ladies have it tough. Lot harder to be a gal than a guy. You just have to suck it up.
What is the choice?
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Women in general are such kind, loyal, peaceful, graceful and honest creatures. They beautify the world and without them I doubt that I would want to live.
Now, women have their faults. I never said they were perfect. But oh, what so lovely and delectable imperfection can be... a woman!
If any woman feels like this it's because Men have treated them like this.
Men whinge and whine about women's rights and self-entitlement problems and those same idiots are subservient when it comes to women.
Don't whinge when you're undoubtedly apart of the problem. If men didn't blow some much hot air up a woman's crack then these problems might to be noted that much.
Personally I hate that shit too. Girls don't want guys to be sexist but then they want the perks of some of the sexist norms. Girls can pay for their shit and guys can pay for theirs. They can get over it.
gross, you gross me out. You better fucking appreciate feminism, because if not for it, you wouldn't even have a quarter of the rights you have now.
We deserve equal rights but we aren't entitled to a guy holding the door open for us or paying for our meal. Those are great but they're bonuses we don't have to receive those things.
lol feminazi downvote ftw
Oh fuck off now. I don't know why so many men who clearly have major issues with women are always on this site that's all about dating and relationships.
https://youtu.be/QpnvTjtpyIgJust stop interacting with women, and go be lonely somewhere alone and stop complaining and bitching all the time. Jeez.
I don't know who hurt you, but get over it dude.
oooooh you licked him good! hahaha!
Not all, but some are undeniably like this. Don't try to hide it
Yea and some guys are rapists or pedophiles, what's that got to do with anybody else? Some guys are women beaters and abusers, what's it got to do with guys that aren't.
Just because you can't meet any good women, you lump women to together.
If women came on here to ask about problems rife amongst some men, we'd be on here all day wading through questions about rapists, pedophiles, abusers, and much more.
I am like 90% sure you are of the kind the asker described...
There's a huge different in the pecentages of pedos/rapists and entitled women. Lets not talk about beaters because 40% of dv victims are men.
Lastly I'm not saying all women are like that. Or even most, but like 33% maybe
I think women have a right to ask why 75% of men are betas in the west
Oh you're one of these "alpha beta" losers lmao... No wonder.
i agree, if he doesn't like women then he should go be gay. Not all women are how he discribed but yet instead of being open minded, optimisitc, excited about the good women out there, he wants to complain about the bad ones. Other guys have great experiences with women and many women have great experiences with men so this guy just seems bitter becasue he can't meet any women.
I know lol, it makes me laugh sometimes. All these guys who can't get women so just bash women all day, not noticing the millions of men dating, sleeping around, getting married and whatever else lol, but no, they aren't the problem, it's the women. How dare we not like losers, damn us!!
A lot of men hate women's personalities but they're completely straight. pfft
Yea, that's why a lot constantly chase women, or get married or fall in love. Dude, if you don't like women, fuck off and be gay or just buy a sex robot. It's 2014, it's ok to do this now.
They chase women because they're straight you dumb bitch
Because they like women... Not because they hate women lmao. Do guys chase shit they hate? Never ever ever heard of that. Maybe it's just you...
I don't often find they are the same women. there are many woman who are feminist, and many who want to be a good old fashioned stay at home mom. We are at a bit of a turning point in gender roles and dating, so things are a bit confusing right now!
For instance, I really like motivated successful women, But, I still feel the want to pay and be the initiator in things, it is just confusing.
I see where you're coming from. Some do act this way and some don't. I think those that embrace the "I want equal rights and special treatment train" usually have entitlement issues; they want the best of everything to make their lives easier. That being said, I don't think all women are like that.
OK. Well, in my opinion, everyone is entitled to equal rights, period. You don't negotiate for rights.
As for special treatment: lots of people think they're entitled to things. I'm not blind to what you're saying, but it doesn't mean you have to give it to them. Find someone who meets your needs, and whose needs you fulfill.
i don't equal rights. i am happy with special treatment. my boss is a chauvinist and the environment i work in reflects that. i have way too much fun being the only girl and doing stuff to make the men uncomfortable. i love it !
i don't need*
hahaha... lucky you! What kind of stuff, dare I ask?
pink toilet paper and other girly stuff
O_O''
*runs*
hahah @COCOCHANEL that is adorable and very interesting positive point of view...
Ew. Go back about 70 years and try saying that again
i knew i'd get in hot water on this one
Because we don't have that many rights you fucking asshole. Oh nooo, EQUALITY?`? HOW TERRIBELELLEE11+1+
hahaha. +1 for the humour, but you're wrong! Men are second class citizens by law especially in your scandinavia
Like because guys have to... pay for women's meals on a date? So oppressive.
Well, statistics show than men get harsher lawful punishments than women for the same crime. That's probably one of the things he was thinking of when he said 2nd class.
Just one of them
Go search up women's oppression
Everybody knows. Be quiet
See, what the hell. Stop trying to silence people. Why must it be like this towards women and poc? What the hell straight white men, you suck!
I only silence people who cry about women's oppression when special treatment or men's rights are an issue
"I only silence people who cry about women's oppression when special treatment or men's rights are an issue"
Couldn't someone also argue the same in reverse? "Why cry about woman's special treatment or men's rights when women's oppression is still an issue?" These kinds of circular arguments aren't helpful to either side. Why can't someone fight for both issues?
Sure you could also argue that red is in fact, blue. But I have a better question. Why don't feminists allow men's issues to be raised and women's crimes to be revealed? Not to mention the biased laws of society that perpetuate this matriarchy
because men don't have big issues. By the way, they do show women's crimes. Too bad the majority are what men have done, maybe that's because men commit more crimes.
Men have much bigger issues than women in the western world. Women are known to get away with crimes and also receive shorter sentences... and 40% of dv perpetrators and a huge number of rapists.
Mhmm... Men get away with rape like 80 percent of the time because the woman was "asking for it", and men aren't taken seriously when they've been raped, it's a bad culture. Feminists aren't just about women's problems. We want to abolish gender roles, basically. Men have to help too, though. Maybe try not blaming women for everything and take a step back, then look at yourselves. It's usually men that let women get away with this, and it's usually men that ridicule other men for getting raped. Because apparently "all guys want sex", and if it's forced on them, they wanted it anyways. (which is what people tell them)
So stop acting like the victim, and maybe stand up and do something about it.
If feminism is not just about women then change the damn name! Then maybe men will help. And stop abusing us psychologically
Again, acting like the victim.
duh, men are victims
I hate when guys make that "I can't hit a girl" argument. It almost makes it sound as if you really, really want to beat the crap out of girls, so you'll use her weak punch as a green light to go full beast on her. That's not how it works. If a girl hits you, you either restrain her, leave, or defend yourself with appropriate force. You don't smash her into the ground and say "This is you getting equal treatment."
When a girl hits you? Thats sexist.
When ANYBODY hits you
It does point out that they would more than willing hit girls. I stay away from guys like that, they have no restraint towards girls and seem more likely to be the ones to snap on us. No thank you.
wtf?
"Appropriate force" is what makes it a problem. What I consider appropriate and the jury consider appropriate can be 2 very different things. Aside from having witnesses in your defense, if you hit a woman as a man the law will not be on your side unless she admits to having gotten into an argument and gotten physical. The "I can't hit a girl argument" comes from guys even lightly striking a girl in self defense getting punished for it. By either the courts or from police when the girl runs to them and lies about what happened.
Personally I've never had to/probably never will have to hit a women in self defense. I can restrain her in most all situations or leave. But if I push her out the door and lock her out, she falls and scrapes her arm bad enough. The police will be on her side if she chooses to go to them, unless I call them first
Only feminists are like that. They want equal rights until it's not in their favor.
Wrong.
When will the feminists go away? men have been reduced to second class citizens in the eyes of the law
I love how you say I'm wrong yet say nothing else... I think you're wrong. (:
I like your comeback!
Hahaha thanks
Just the truth (;
Who actually acts like that? OP, do you even talk to women or do you sit in your basement all day watching movies with stereotypical bitches portrayed in them?
I never let anyone pay for me. My dude friends always try to but I make sure they take my cash. Some of them even get angry when I don't accept their cash so you can't pin that all on women. Some men themselves ENJOY it.
The rest of your "examples" are either outdated or unrealistic so I'm not even gonna comment on them.
lmaoo schooled
lmaoo noooooooo
I don't come from a Western culture so this kind of stuff has never been a problem for me. My dad's a gentleman and so is all the other men in my family. Yes they pay for dinner and they protect me, etc. but they also respect me. Why are you only attacking girls as if we are forcing guys to do this. I'm sure many men do this because they were raised to be like that. I just think both sexes should be treated with respect and dignity and no gender should be superior, but we have traditions and I believe they should be valued.
Canada isn't western? Do you want equal rights or special treatment?
I'm not originally from Canada. of course I wants equal rights. And I don't care if a stranger doesn't give up his seat bla blah. I'm talking about the men in my life. If we are personally involved I have expectations. That's just my personal preference, just like some girls like soccer players or painters, I want a gentleman. Is that really a big deal?
no. What kind of expectations? And does he get any perks in return?
He gets my respect
But he respects you too. And he protects AND provides AND gives up seats AND opens doors. Are you for real?
He gets my love, loyalty, possibly my children if the relationship goes that far. And so much more not worth sharing right now
You also get his love and loyalty. Is it really not worth sharing? it sure seems like you know how to use people
I highly doubt you have ever had any woman say those things to you. You just want to rant and shout about women and feminists and how unfair the world is to you. Well go ahead, but you're achieving nothing with this childish attempt to make a point. You are weakening your own cause by exposing your childish ignorance.
What a lot of people apparently don't understand is that there is there is a difference between the law and dating.
We want to be treated equal in front of the law, like every man. Who you date isn't anybody's business. It's normal and ok to have preferences in the looks or behavior of your partners (as long as they're not harming anyone)
Eh, I don't really know any girl who has that attitude.
Maybe because you don't live in the English speaking west
Shrug. I haven't seen many women like that online either. I only hear people bitch about them.
Because they exist
It seems that they don't. Not to the extent to justify this massive amount of complaining about them, at least...
If they didn't exist in mass numbers, there wouldn't be a massive amounts of complaints. duh
Eh. Like I said, I see more people complain about them than I actually see them complaining about wanting equal, but special, treatment. Ah well, whatevs.
Because they only show this side. Either that or you're living under a rock
They do exist. The girls that say, "there's never a reason to hit a girl" or "you have a mom. You came from a woman so you have no right to disrespect one". I've met girls who wholeheartedly agree with those statements and have said them on occasion. They also care about equal rights in regards to what women receive. I remember I had a conversation with a girl on this site that said it's ok for her to hit a man across the face but it's not right for a man to do the same.
I don't complain about them, because I just think they are absolutely ridiculous and not worth my time. But they very much exist. In my experience however they are not the majority
I would rather have a guy be chivalrous and nice than give me equal rights. And also so many guys complain about having to treat girls well, I don't get that. Where I grew up it was just taught that you treat woman a certain way, it's weird to me when guys don't.
I was taught that the woman cooks and cleans and lets me be in charge, so many girls complain, I don't get that. Where I grew up it was just taught that you treat men a certain way, it's weird to me when girls don't.
Well maybe we grew up in the same place then because I was taught that to a point as well lol
ps couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or serious, but I was taught that
I was being ironic, but that is how I feel the relationship should be. Nearly every girl it seems still wants all that and even more nowadays but don't feel that they should have to cook, clean and let me be in charge - that's what I'm really getting at.
I don't mind cooking and cleaning as long as he brings home a paycheck and I think the guy has the final word on our decisions but I think he should still ask how I feel about it.
I see it as a two-way street, which too many girls nowadays unfortunately don't, glad you're different.
Thanks, I guess it's just how I was raised. Honestly when I was younger I didn't think that way, but I think I do now because I've found the man I wanna marry and know I can let him be in charge because he has my best interest at heart and I love and trust him fully :)
Yeah this is an epidemic, women who want the good from equality but refuse to take the bad that comes with it as well, It's a very ugly attitude of entitlement.
As shitty and rampant as it is though there is a very simple and easy solution to it all. Do not make relationships of any kind with people, men or women, who will not be responsible & respectful moral agents.
Problem solved and no need to be butt hurt about it, just move on.
I see a lot of this with online dating profiles but not as much in real life. I think such girls will never know what it is like to be an adult. Their profiles are seriously gross with all these things the guy "must have" and how great they think they are.
but in my day to day life I really don't see this much at all. The girls are much more down to earth.
My mother taught us the opposite: to protect others, even risking our own life; to pay for what we consume and pay for there if possible; to give our sears to those who need it more; to do everything by ourselves and don't ask for help unless we really need it; we are prohibited to act a little weak girls. We train in martial arts to defend ourselves, but not to attack others...
as little*
cool... Which art?
and what rank are you?
Mainily Ninpo/Ninjutsu and Systema. I also practice others, including the family one.
Bujinkan? Also what rank?
Bujinkan? No.
Rank? Black belt
Then which style? How long for that black belt?
Style? A mix of different styles.
How long? I got it at 16.
How long did it take you to get it? Also, do you feel confident facing a strong but untrained 6'3 guy?
Mind If you ask me via pm?
not at all
I think some women in this day and age have distorted equality to be the ideal life for them, and disregard others rights for the sake of their own.
https://imgur.com/gallery/VN4yL
This is a little bit of a read, but I think this girl hit it right on as far as unjust standards go for men and women.
Guys don't have to pay for everything. Most just do because they want to. Not because they are forced to. I know plenty of girls who will insist on paying half anyway.
I'm pretty sure it's just as illegal for a girl to beat up a guy as it is for a guy to beat up a girl.
If you are any kind of man then you would what to give you're girlfriend special treatment. As for equal rights. Well they think they should have equal rights because they deserve equal rights.
I think what really ends up happening is feminist say one thing other women say another. Feminist assume they speak for all women so when you run across a woman with a different point of view from a feminist or vice-verse it gets confusing. On top of that there are a lot of feminist who focus so much on the negative aspects of gender equality that the perks are easily forgotten about or they like them.
Equal rights and special treatment are 2 separate things. Real equal rights means women should be treated the same as other men and women, and men should be treated the same as women and other men.
I'd say most women only want special treatment from their partner.
If you want special treatment from everyone just because you're a woman then that's not feminism, that's sexism.
There are entitled assholes in both genders. Simple as that.
Although honestly, if someone sees someone else in danger and they have the ability to help them, then they should. Regardless of gender. Even calling the cops is of some use.
Yess
Stop simplifying things where it suits you.
The girls who want equality do not fit into the category you're painting of the girls who want to be babied.
You have beautiful eyes
Hmm.. thanks..
You say "girls" as if it's all girls who are crazy feminists. I think a man should protect his girl, I think he should help her carry heavy stuff, I think he should never hit her but I don't think women are superior. There is a thing called being a gentleman. It doesn't mean you should put up with crazy feminist shit though.
So equal AND special treatment it is!
.. Did you even read what I said? It's not special treatment, it's acknowledging the fact that you are the stronger sex, and therefore should help and protect her. Then she does things for you in other ways. The crazy feminists wants women to be superior, and men to go die. Real feminists just want equal rights, like same salary for men and women.
hahaha what other ways? there's no feminist bible so there's nothing like real feminists
Ohh you're a bible freak? I don't want to argue with that, you're nuts ;)
I was joking
Didn't seem like it.
Anyways, what other ways does she do things for you?
Depends on what she is good at.
Gimme some examples
See @asker, this is what I'm talking about. This isn't a feminist girl. And guess what? She EXPECTS men to do more stuff because it's "gentlemen" stuff. Yet, most guys would blame feminism. Nope. Some girls who are not for feminism or don't agree with it prefer that traditional chivalry crap just cuz he's a guy.
Don't get it twisted, not all girls are feminists, and not all agree with that crap.
Seems like she wants the guy to do more work than herself, which is in essence using him. Gentlemen and Ladylike behavior are outdated, backward concepts
@Asker you just don't get it do you? I am in some way a feminist, I believe in equal right (EQUAL not suppression of one gender, male or female) But when men are the physically stronger sex, of course I expect them to help where strength is required, because that is one of the things they can do. And then the girl does something else (depends on what that exact girl can do) I believe in the one who asked the other out pays the bill, and the one who reaches the door first opens it. Simple as that.
Men are stronger, it's a fact. If you're a guy, then don't be a dick and help out where you can. If you're a girl, then don't be a bitch and help out where you can. @BuchitaBuchys
lol. Calm down
I'm not a bitch and I do help where I can. But I think it applies to both genders, not just men, not just women. Basically, it's whatever your good at, use that to help others. If you're smart, use your smarts. If you're strong, use your strength etc. To help everyone. And not just to help men, or not to help women.
Cuz yes, most men are stronger, but not all. So if there's a physically weak guy and a really strong girl, then let the girl help with moving shit or whatever.
Basically, I'm saying look at individual strengths. NOT stereotypical "gender" strengths.
Sweet honey boo boo child, you can't insult someone, and then ask then to calm down, even though their statement had no signs of not being calm ;) @Asker
@BuchitaBuchys I know some men are weaker than women, but it's not the norm. Men are genetically stronger, it's a fact, and my statement is not based on individual cases :)
Sweet honey boo boo child? lel
A ridicolus persons calls for ridiculous answers :)
I actually think the same thing as you. I have heard some people say you should just be polite to everyone. In the girls lens it is a key issue and girls are thinking their own lens while being self absorbed.
What else is visible through this girls lens?
I have no idea. I have been wondering that ever since seeing a HONY post about feminism and a bus seat. I know they feel that the guy doesn't know what feminism is. He said I am a feminist so when there is only one seat left on the subway. I'm all in. Or something like that most girls said that's not what a feminist is I don't know.
I'm sure it's not all girls. A lot of them said that he was a jerk. Something about him not being a nice person and not doing what a feminist does. I am not trying restore some type of order. I just read a lot of stupid stuff on that column.
Luckily, this doesn't apply to all females, and more importantly, you can always just tell them to GTFO and find someone else instead who isn't a sexist bitch. :)
Obviously not all girls are like that, and that is over-dramatic. That is just society and gender roles been heavily influenced on these girls. In a way I think its better to make noise then not be heard at all of what we want :)
I have no clue. I mean, girls should have equal rights but I do agree that all the examples you've given are taking it too far.
Poor thing? Would you like a massage?
just kidding. :)
I'll take that massage.
Gimme a massage!
You blind? i said just kidding.
Please baby
i'm.. a hermaphrodite
@colonel_jas it helps to have a micro penis too
If you're encountering multiple women that are like this then I think you need to take that as a sign to go after a different type of woman. In reality, very few are actually extreme like that. VERY few.
i want equal rights i don't care i don't want him to pay i will pay i don't want the seat i don't want anyone to risk themselves for me even if they did i won't forgive myself if they will get hurt and ofcourse if i will hit anyone man or woman they can beat the shit out of me it is their right
We are still in a transition phase as far as social norms and gender roles are concenrened.
Girls have one foot in the future and one in the past, and of course they put those 'feet' where it benefits them most, you'd probably do the same to protect your own self-intrest if you were in their shoes.
I have a foot fetish...