This question is so profoundly stupid it should be further studied in the field of psychology under neurodevelopmental retardation. . Because I'm a human being damnit, you're not better than me because your a guy. The hell do you think you are? I agree things should be 1/2 and 1/2 and it's ok if either party wants to be occasionally generous but other than that there's no reason to question why woman should be treated fairly.
For me, the thing about having others buy things for me comes from too many lost battles with dates who refused to split the bill... After a while I just stopped offering unless the price was high or I didn't think they had enough money to pay for it all themselves. I also had to teach myself to stop opening doors for guys unless I had already gone through because they would usually take te door from me and let me in first instead. A lot of what you listed comes from how many men treat women, so many women come to expect that behavior. If you want to change it, don't encourage it. Just don't be a jerk in the process =)
All the shit on cops, or even the news, have you ever seen them hauling the woman away for beating on the man? rarely if ever. Look at that camera not long ago of that one celebrity where the sister started kicking the shit out of him in the elevator. Did anyone express outrage she was not arrested? no but if that guy would have even slapped her to calm her down he would have been arrested. and persecuted in the press. Now unless your defending your life I feel you should never hit a woman. but so many have zero respect for the fact that if they were men they would get the shit kicked out of them. They want equal treatment but when it comes time to pay for the date, they never reach for their purse. They scream about double standards but they perpetuate many of those double standards.
If any woman feels like this it's because Men have treated them like this.
Men whinge and whine about women's rights and self-entitlement problems and those same idiots are subservient when it comes to women.
Don't whinge when you're undoubtedly apart of the problem. If men didn't blow some much hot air up a woman's crack then these problems might to be noted that much.
firstly i hate people buying me things and paying for me, secondly i hate anyone who's sexist and actually wrote a speech defending male rights, thirdly if anyone ever risked there liives for me id punch them in the face for being stupid and thinking i can't handle myself, and finally fucking go ahead and hit me i couldnt fucking careless its not like it hasn't happened before anyway.
so as for special treatment not everyone gets nor do they want it, so maybe you shoud change your title to why do SOME girls feel entitled to special treatment and equal rights, which also why should we not have equal rights?
I don't know any girls who believe all of those things simultaneously. I know that some out there do but most girls don't think like that.
Old traditions take a long time to die. Hence a lot of women will be surprised if a guy doesn't hold open a door or offer to pay. However these usually are not the same women who are super-feminists that want equal treatment.
And most women will agree that it isn't okay to beat up a man. Women are physically weaker and smaller so a man and a woman fighting isn't considered fair. That's where that logic comes from.
Women in general are such kind, loyal, peaceful, graceful and honest creatures. They beautify the world and without them I doubt that I would want to live.
Now, women have their faults. I never said they were perfect. But oh, what so lovely and delectable imperfection can be... a woman!
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Oh fuck off now. I don't know why so many men who clearly have major issues with women are always on this site that's all about dating and relationships. Just stop interacting with women, and go be lonely somewhere alone and stop complaining and bitching all the time. Jeez. I don't know who hurt you, but get over it dude.
Yea and some guys are rapists or pedophiles, what's that got to do with anybody else? Some guys are women beaters and abusers, what's it got to do with guys that aren't. Just because you can't meet any good women, you lump women to together. If women came on here to ask about problems rife amongst some men, we'd be on here all day wading through questions about rapists, pedophiles, abusers, and much more.
i agree, if he doesn't like women then he should go be gay. Not all women are how he discribed but yet instead of being open minded, optimisitc, excited about the good women out there, he wants to complain about the bad ones. Other guys have great experiences with women and many women have great experiences with men so this guy just seems bitter becasue he can't meet any women.
I know lol, it makes me laugh sometimes. All these guys who can't get women so just bash women all day, not noticing the millions of men dating, sleeping around, getting married and whatever else lol, but no, they aren't the problem, it's the women. How dare we not like losers, damn us!!
Yea, that's why a lot constantly chase women, or get married or fall in love. Dude, if you don't like women, fuck off and be gay or just buy a sex robot. It's 2014, it's ok to do this now.
Personally I hate that shit too. Girls don't want guys to be sexist but then they want the perks of some of the sexist norms. Girls can pay for their shit and guys can pay for theirs. They can get over it.
We deserve equal rights but we aren't entitled to a guy holding the door open for us or paying for our meal. Those are great but they're bonuses we don't have to receive those things.
I don't often find they are the same women. there are many woman who are feminist, and many who want to be a good old fashioned stay at home mom. We are at a bit of a turning point in gender roles and dating, so things are a bit confusing right now!
For instance, I really like motivated successful women, But, I still feel the want to pay and be the initiator in things, it is just confusing.
I see where you're coming from. Some do act this way and some don't. I think those that embrace the "I want equal rights and special treatment train" usually have entitlement issues; they want the best of everything to make their lives easier. That being said, I don't think all women are like that.
OK. Well, in my opinion, everyone is entitled to equal rights, period. You don't negotiate for rights.
As for special treatment: lots of people think they're entitled to things. I'm not blind to what you're saying, but it doesn't mean you have to give it to them. Find someone who meets your needs, and whose needs you fulfill.
i don't equal rights. i am happy with special treatment. my boss is a chauvinist and the environment i work in reflects that. i have way too much fun being the only girl and doing stuff to make the men uncomfortable. i love it !
I hate when guys make that "I can't hit a girl" argument. It almost makes it sound as if you really, really want to beat the crap out of girls, so you'll use her weak punch as a green light to go full beast on her. That's not how it works. If a girl hits you, you either restrain her, leave, or defend yourself with appropriate force. You don't smash her into the ground and say "This is you getting equal treatment."
It does point out that they would more than willing hit girls. I stay away from guys like that, they have no restraint towards girls and seem more likely to be the ones to snap on us. No thank you.
"Appropriate force" is what makes it a problem. What I consider appropriate and the jury consider appropriate can be 2 very different things. Aside from having witnesses in your defense, if you hit a woman as a man the law will not be on your side unless she admits to having gotten into an argument and gotten physical. The "I can't hit a girl argument" comes from guys even lightly striking a girl in self defense getting punished for it. By either the courts or from police when the girl runs to them and lies about what happened.
Personally I've never had to/probably never will have to hit a women in self defense. I can restrain her in most all situations or leave. But if I push her out the door and lock her out, she falls and scrapes her arm bad enough. The police will be on her side if she chooses to go to them, unless I call them first
Who actually acts like that? OP, do you even talk to women or do you sit in your basement all day watching movies with stereotypical bitches portrayed in them?
I never let anyone pay for me. My dude friends always try to but I make sure they take my cash. Some of them even get angry when I don't accept their cash so you can't pin that all on women. Some men themselves ENJOY it.
The rest of your "examples" are either outdated or unrealistic so I'm not even gonna comment on them.
Well, statistics show than men get harsher lawful punishments than women for the same crime. That's probably one of the things he was thinking of when he said 2nd class.
"I only silence people who cry about women's oppression when special treatment or men's rights are an issue"
Couldn't someone also argue the same in reverse? "Why cry about woman's special treatment or men's rights when women's oppression is still an issue?" These kinds of circular arguments aren't helpful to either side. Why can't someone fight for both issues?
Sure you could also argue that red is in fact, blue. But I have a better question. Why don't feminists allow men's issues to be raised and women's crimes to be revealed? Not to mention the biased laws of society that perpetuate this matriarchy
because men don't have big issues. By the way, they do show women's crimes. Too bad the majority are what men have done, maybe that's because men commit more crimes.
Men have much bigger issues than women in the western world. Women are known to get away with crimes and also receive shorter sentences... and 40% of dv perpetrators and a huge number of rapists.
Mhmm... Men get away with rape like 80 percent of the time because the woman was "asking for it", and men aren't taken seriously when they've been raped, it's a bad culture. Feminists aren't just about women's problems. We want to abolish gender roles, basically. Men have to help too, though. Maybe try not blaming women for everything and take a step back, then look at yourselves. It's usually men that let women get away with this, and it's usually men that ridicule other men for getting raped. Because apparently "all guys want sex", and if it's forced on them, they wanted it anyways. (which is what people tell them) So stop acting like the victim, and maybe stand up and do something about it.
I don't come from a Western culture so this kind of stuff has never been a problem for me. My dad's a gentleman and so is all the other men in my family. Yes they pay for dinner and they protect me, etc. but they also respect me. Why are you only attacking girls as if we are forcing guys to do this. I'm sure many men do this because they were raised to be like that. I just think both sexes should be treated with respect and dignity and no gender should be superior, but we have traditions and I believe they should be valued.
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Canada isn't western? Do you want equal rights or special treatment?
I'm not originally from Canada. of course I wants equal rights. And I don't care if a stranger doesn't give up his seat bla blah. I'm talking about the men in my life. If we are personally involved I have expectations. That's just my personal preference, just like some girls like soccer players or painters, I want a gentleman. Is that really a big deal?
I highly doubt you have ever had any woman say those things to you. You just want to rant and shout about women and feminists and how unfair the world is to you. Well go ahead, but you're achieving nothing with this childish attempt to make a point. You are weakening your own cause by exposing your childish ignorance.
What a lot of people apparently don't understand is that there is there is a difference between the law and dating.
We want to be treated equal in front of the law, like every man. Who you date isn't anybody's business. It's normal and ok to have preferences in the looks or behavior of your partners (as long as they're not harming anyone)
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This question is so profoundly stupid it should be further studied in the field of psychology under neurodevelopmental retardation. .
Because I'm a human being damnit, you're not better than me because your a guy. The hell do you think you are?
I agree things should be 1/2 and 1/2 and it's ok if either party wants to be occasionally generous but other than that there's no reason to question why woman should be treated fairly.
For me, the thing about having others buy things for me comes from too many lost battles with dates who refused to split the bill... After a while I just stopped offering unless the price was high or I didn't think they had enough money to pay for it all themselves. I also had to teach myself to stop opening doors for guys unless I had already gone through because they would usually take te door from me and let me in first instead.
A lot of what you listed comes from how many men treat women, so many women come to expect that behavior. If you want to change it, don't encourage it. Just don't be a jerk in the process =)
Understood!
All the shit on cops, or even the news, have you ever seen them hauling the woman away for beating on the man? rarely if ever. Look at that camera not long ago of that one celebrity where the sister started kicking the shit out of him in the elevator. Did anyone express outrage she was not arrested? no
but if that guy would have even slapped her to calm her down he would have been arrested. and persecuted in the press.
Now unless your defending your life I feel you should never hit a woman. but so many have zero respect for the fact that if they were men they would get the shit kicked out of them.
They want equal treatment but when it comes time to pay for the date, they never reach for their purse.
They scream about double standards but they perpetuate many of those double standards.
If any woman feels like this it's because Men have treated them like this.
Men whinge and whine about women's rights and self-entitlement problems and those same idiots are subservient when it comes to women.
Don't whinge when you're undoubtedly apart of the problem. If men didn't blow some much hot air up a woman's crack then these problems might to be noted that much.
firstly i hate people buying me things and paying for me, secondly i hate anyone who's sexist and actually wrote a speech defending male rights, thirdly if anyone ever risked there liives for me id punch them in the face for being stupid and thinking i can't handle myself, and finally fucking go ahead and hit me i couldnt fucking careless its not like it hasn't happened before anyway.
so as for special treatment not everyone gets nor do they want it, so maybe you shoud change your title to why do SOME girls feel entitled to special treatment and equal rights, which also why should we not have equal rights?
I don't know any girls who believe all of those things simultaneously. I know that some out there do but most girls don't think like that.
Old traditions take a long time to die. Hence a lot of women will be surprised if a guy doesn't hold open a door or offer to pay. However these usually are not the same women who are super-feminists that want equal treatment.
And most women will agree that it isn't okay to beat up a man. Women are physically weaker and smaller so a man and a woman fighting isn't considered fair. That's where that logic comes from.
Look, the ladies have it tough. Lot harder to be a gal than a guy. You just have to suck it up.
What is the choice?
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Women in general are such kind, loyal, peaceful, graceful and honest creatures. They beautify the world and without them I doubt that I would want to live.
Now, women have their faults. I never said they were perfect. But oh, what so lovely and delectable imperfection can be... a woman!
Oh fuck off now. I don't know why so many men who clearly have major issues with women are always on this site that's all about dating and relationships.
https://youtu.be/QpnvTjtpyIgJust stop interacting with women, and go be lonely somewhere alone and stop complaining and bitching all the time. Jeez.
I don't know who hurt you, but get over it dude.
oooooh you licked him good! hahaha!
Not all, but some are undeniably like this. Don't try to hide it
Yea and some guys are rapists or pedophiles, what's that got to do with anybody else? Some guys are women beaters and abusers, what's it got to do with guys that aren't.
Just because you can't meet any good women, you lump women to together.
If women came on here to ask about problems rife amongst some men, we'd be on here all day wading through questions about rapists, pedophiles, abusers, and much more.
I am like 90% sure you are of the kind the asker described...
There's a huge different in the pecentages of pedos/rapists and entitled women. Lets not talk about beaters because 40% of dv victims are men.
Lastly I'm not saying all women are like that. Or even most, but like 33% maybe
I think women have a right to ask why 75% of men are betas in the west
Oh you're one of these "alpha beta" losers lmao... No wonder.
i agree, if he doesn't like women then he should go be gay. Not all women are how he discribed but yet instead of being open minded, optimisitc, excited about the good women out there, he wants to complain about the bad ones. Other guys have great experiences with women and many women have great experiences with men so this guy just seems bitter becasue he can't meet any women.
I know lol, it makes me laugh sometimes. All these guys who can't get women so just bash women all day, not noticing the millions of men dating, sleeping around, getting married and whatever else lol, but no, they aren't the problem, it's the women. How dare we not like losers, damn us!!
A lot of men hate women's personalities but they're completely straight. pfft
Yea, that's why a lot constantly chase women, or get married or fall in love. Dude, if you don't like women, fuck off and be gay or just buy a sex robot. It's 2014, it's ok to do this now.
They chase women because they're straight you dumb bitch
Because they like women... Not because they hate women lmao. Do guys chase shit they hate? Never ever ever heard of that. Maybe it's just you...
Personally I hate that shit too. Girls don't want guys to be sexist but then they want the perks of some of the sexist norms. Girls can pay for their shit and guys can pay for theirs. They can get over it.
gross, you gross me out. You better fucking appreciate feminism, because if not for it, you wouldn't even have a quarter of the rights you have now.
We deserve equal rights but we aren't entitled to a guy holding the door open for us or paying for our meal. Those are great but they're bonuses we don't have to receive those things.
lol feminazi downvote ftw
I don't often find they are the same women. there are many woman who are feminist, and many who want to be a good old fashioned stay at home mom. We are at a bit of a turning point in gender roles and dating, so things are a bit confusing right now!
For instance, I really like motivated successful women, But, I still feel the want to pay and be the initiator in things, it is just confusing.
I see where you're coming from. Some do act this way and some don't. I think those that embrace the "I want equal rights and special treatment train" usually have entitlement issues; they want the best of everything to make their lives easier. That being said, I don't think all women are like that.
OK. Well, in my opinion, everyone is entitled to equal rights, period. You don't negotiate for rights.
As for special treatment: lots of people think they're entitled to things. I'm not blind to what you're saying, but it doesn't mean you have to give it to them. Find someone who meets your needs, and whose needs you fulfill.
i don't equal rights. i am happy with special treatment. my boss is a chauvinist and the environment i work in reflects that. i have way too much fun being the only girl and doing stuff to make the men uncomfortable. i love it !
i don't need*
hahaha... lucky you! What kind of stuff, dare I ask?
pink toilet paper and other girly stuff
O_O''
*runs*
hahah @COCOCHANEL that is adorable and very interesting positive point of view...
Ew. Go back about 70 years and try saying that again
i knew i'd get in hot water on this one
I hate when guys make that "I can't hit a girl" argument. It almost makes it sound as if you really, really want to beat the crap out of girls, so you'll use her weak punch as a green light to go full beast on her. That's not how it works. If a girl hits you, you either restrain her, leave, or defend yourself with appropriate force. You don't smash her into the ground and say "This is you getting equal treatment."
When a girl hits you? Thats sexist.
When ANYBODY hits you
It does point out that they would more than willing hit girls. I stay away from guys like that, they have no restraint towards girls and seem more likely to be the ones to snap on us. No thank you.
wtf?
"Appropriate force" is what makes it a problem. What I consider appropriate and the jury consider appropriate can be 2 very different things. Aside from having witnesses in your defense, if you hit a woman as a man the law will not be on your side unless she admits to having gotten into an argument and gotten physical. The "I can't hit a girl argument" comes from guys even lightly striking a girl in self defense getting punished for it. By either the courts or from police when the girl runs to them and lies about what happened.
Personally I've never had to/probably never will have to hit a women in self defense. I can restrain her in most all situations or leave. But if I push her out the door and lock her out, she falls and scrapes her arm bad enough. The police will be on her side if she chooses to go to them, unless I call them first
Only feminists are like that. They want equal rights until it's not in their favor.
Wrong.
When will the feminists go away? men have been reduced to second class citizens in the eyes of the law
I love how you say I'm wrong yet say nothing else... I think you're wrong. (:
I like your comeback!
Hahaha thanks
Just the truth (;
Who actually acts like that? OP, do you even talk to women or do you sit in your basement all day watching movies with stereotypical bitches portrayed in them?
I never let anyone pay for me. My dude friends always try to but I make sure they take my cash. Some of them even get angry when I don't accept their cash so you can't pin that all on women. Some men themselves ENJOY it.
The rest of your "examples" are either outdated or unrealistic so I'm not even gonna comment on them.
lmaoo schooled
lmaoo noooooooo
Because we don't have that many rights you fucking asshole. Oh nooo, EQUALITY?`? HOW TERRIBELELLEE11+1+
hahaha. +1 for the humour, but you're wrong! Men are second class citizens by law especially in your scandinavia
Like because guys have to... pay for women's meals on a date? So oppressive.
Well, statistics show than men get harsher lawful punishments than women for the same crime. That's probably one of the things he was thinking of when he said 2nd class.
Just one of them
Go search up women's oppression
Everybody knows. Be quiet
See, what the hell. Stop trying to silence people. Why must it be like this towards women and poc? What the hell straight white men, you suck!
I only silence people who cry about women's oppression when special treatment or men's rights are an issue
"I only silence people who cry about women's oppression when special treatment or men's rights are an issue"
Couldn't someone also argue the same in reverse? "Why cry about woman's special treatment or men's rights when women's oppression is still an issue?" These kinds of circular arguments aren't helpful to either side. Why can't someone fight for both issues?
Sure you could also argue that red is in fact, blue. But I have a better question. Why don't feminists allow men's issues to be raised and women's crimes to be revealed? Not to mention the biased laws of society that perpetuate this matriarchy
because men don't have big issues. By the way, they do show women's crimes. Too bad the majority are what men have done, maybe that's because men commit more crimes.
Men have much bigger issues than women in the western world. Women are known to get away with crimes and also receive shorter sentences... and 40% of dv perpetrators and a huge number of rapists.
Mhmm... Men get away with rape like 80 percent of the time because the woman was "asking for it", and men aren't taken seriously when they've been raped, it's a bad culture. Feminists aren't just about women's problems. We want to abolish gender roles, basically. Men have to help too, though. Maybe try not blaming women for everything and take a step back, then look at yourselves. It's usually men that let women get away with this, and it's usually men that ridicule other men for getting raped. Because apparently "all guys want sex", and if it's forced on them, they wanted it anyways. (which is what people tell them)
So stop acting like the victim, and maybe stand up and do something about it.
If feminism is not just about women then change the damn name! Then maybe men will help. And stop abusing us psychologically
Again, acting like the victim.
duh, men are victims
I don't come from a Western culture so this kind of stuff has never been a problem for me. My dad's a gentleman and so is all the other men in my family. Yes they pay for dinner and they protect me, etc. but they also respect me. Why are you only attacking girls as if we are forcing guys to do this. I'm sure many men do this because they were raised to be like that. I just think both sexes should be treated with respect and dignity and no gender should be superior, but we have traditions and I believe they should be valued.
Canada isn't western? Do you want equal rights or special treatment?
I'm not originally from Canada. of course I wants equal rights. And I don't care if a stranger doesn't give up his seat bla blah. I'm talking about the men in my life. If we are personally involved I have expectations. That's just my personal preference, just like some girls like soccer players or painters, I want a gentleman. Is that really a big deal?
no. What kind of expectations? And does he get any perks in return?
He gets my respect
But he respects you too. And he protects AND provides AND gives up seats AND opens doors. Are you for real?
He gets my love, loyalty, possibly my children if the relationship goes that far. And so much more not worth sharing right now
You also get his love and loyalty. Is it really not worth sharing? it sure seems like you know how to use people
I highly doubt you have ever had any woman say those things to you. You just want to rant and shout about women and feminists and how unfair the world is to you. Well go ahead, but you're achieving nothing with this childish attempt to make a point. You are weakening your own cause by exposing your childish ignorance.
What a lot of people apparently don't understand is that there is there is a difference between the law and dating.
We want to be treated equal in front of the law, like every man. Who you date isn't anybody's business. It's normal and ok to have preferences in the looks or behavior of your partners (as long as they're not harming anyone)