Why do incels expect women to lower their standards while not being willing to lower their own?

[Anonymous]

I saw many videos related to this. Like, in one of the video, a below average looking guy get a beautiful girlfriend.(he isn't even rich), and all internet incels gonna crazy and starts commenting shits in his video. Like seriously, lmao they want beautiful, gorgeous model like women , not ugly women. Then why will a beautiful women choose them (ugly incels)? (Anyways everyone is beautiful). Let's say why a beautiful person choose someone who don't even have good personality, or who don't even have good convo skills , confidence. They expect women to lower their standards while not being willing to lower their own?

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They want all beautiful women chase them lmao. like seriously lmao

[Curmudgeon]

Something I noticed others posting here have missed - In giving advice to InCels, I find that all too often they suffer from the mental or psychological illness that has been called "One-itis".

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/one-itis

That is, they are obsessed with meeting "the one", the perfect girl who is or will be their soulmate, their be-all and end-all. And the One-itis makes them come across as creepy. Even worse, they sadly fail to notice dating opportunities that are much more likely for them, even in some cases readily available to them, because they are so focused upon their One-itis ideal.

For example, I tell young InCels that if they are desperately seeking ladies for a sexual experience, then they should start with older "Cougar" divorcees, who want to "get their groove back". Such women might just be the ones to break them in. The InCel's initial lack of what they call “game” in such a situation will be non-threatening, and therefore downright appealing, to an older divorcee. And by interactions of this nature, the InCel will get "game". No, the relationship probably will not last, but it will be mutually beneficial at first. And then I suggest dating sites of that nature.

And the InCel responses, all too often? She can't be the future mother of their children, she is "over the hill", etc.

I keep trying to tell them that my suggestion is *just a starting point* and that the idea is to get them out dating different women, not only to learn more about various women, but to learn more about *themselves*.

Anyway, I have sympathy for InCels because back in the 1980s and early 1990s I was one of them, before such a term existed. "I was InCel, when InCel wasn't cool", apologies to Barbara Mandrell. (Well, InCels never will be cool, but you get the idea).

https://www.youtube.com/embed/IkEisdaFRzU

[handsomelad70]

But Barbara Mandrell was ALWAYS cool.

[Curmudgeon]

@handsomelad70 :D

[ChicoFromThe305]

They are hypocrites, incels only hate women because women don't want them, if they put all that effort in working on themselves they can get what they despise but they choose to remain the same and hate on women, it's only deeper self sabotage if you ask me.

[SolitarySolace]

Why would they want to get something they despise? Is it a good idea to have a wild animal as a pet?

[Asker]

Exactly @ChicoFromThe305
100% agree with u. Smart answer. Great. Both Incel/femcel don't work on themselves, and always spread hateness towards opposite genders. That's toxic bruh

[ChicoFromThe305]

Indeed so, very toxic 🙂

[Asker]

Yes smartie :)

[ChicoFromThe305]

You say that like you aren't a smart anon 🤣

[Asker]

Well , u can't judge someone's smartness on the basis of reply😏😏🤣 . But yeah I like your answer. 🤣Tbh it's funny how those incels are jealous coz of those cute couples on internet 😂

[ChicoFromThe305]

Yea but what are the odds you are a new user tho, I feel like I've most likely interacted with your big brain before 😌

But yes these incels are very bitter and sour and ooz hatred jealousy from seeing happy couples basically anywhere lol

[Asker]

Trust me u didn't. Coz I don't use this app haha. Truee can't agree more :)

[ChicoFromThe305]

Oh okay then I take my compliment back since you don't want it 😌

[Asker]

Do u think u know me? ;) Chico

[ChicoFromThe305]

I'd like to believe I do but your winky face confidence is lowering mine 😂

[Rangers]

Or they could go to Israel or Ukraine, like I did. And the girls there are the most beautiful in the world, and they're not entitled, stupid, or insufferable.

Furthermore, they listen when we talk, rather than slapping labels on us without hearing a word we say. Oh, and they're not masochistic enough to pick the abusive idiot over one of us. Ask me how I know

[Dvious1]

@Rangers lolz sniff out the bad bisshhhhh and pick the ones less complicated and liberal

[Anonymous]

This, exactly. And they love to say “well the women are undesirable to have these standards” yet, think a woman who is actually desirable aren’t going to also have the standards of the “undesirable” woman, if not more. And it’s a hatred towards all women, whether she’s a 6 or 10. Obviously deep rooted in a sense of inadequacy of not being chosen by the women they desire. I mean, why else would they do it?

Thankfully, incel culture is an internet craze. You don’t see much of that influence in real life. A shorter guy has so much power to speak negatively on women on the internet and how they shouldn’t have a height requirement, but is completely invisible within society, of course, whenever he decides to leave the house.

[Asker]

True 😊💯 agree with u.🤣🤣yeah it's on internet only lmao

[Asker]

Incel/femcel need therapy 24hrs lol

[Opinion Owner]

So true and they love lurking on this site. They’ve been quiet since this question dropped though lol
Thanks for MHO too! ⭐️

[Biancam13]

I don't know exactly why, but it probably stems from some sort of misguided belief that they grew up with. I think society teaches men that women don't care about looks, and a woman's primary worth is in her beauty, while men need to be rich.

So following that, men think that they can date "up", looks wise. They think a really hot woman will look past their looks.

[handsomelad70]

So exactly how would I, even at 70 "date up looks wise?"

[ManOnFire]

@Biancam13 One caveat though: society didn't teach men that women don't care about looks. WOMEN taught men that they don't care about looks.

[Asker]

Both (man women) care about looks , at first then they care about personality. It's bitter but it's truth @ManOnFire

[ManOnFire]

Men do care about looks. And women care about looks, more than men in fact. But women have tried to say for years that "looks don't matter" when that is not the truth and they aren't being honest with themselves either.

[Billlewis]

Yes, ma'am, I just started following you and I'd like to invite you to follow me as well, if that's alright. Thank you very much.

[ManOnFire]

Women do lower their standards, regardless of whether incels hope for it or not. Women pick and choose what men they are going to have high standards for. If they're looking for money they will pick men who have a lot of it whether he's ugly or not. Women will date men who are downright pathetic and not good for them just because she's sexually attracted to him or some idea that how he is is more masculine.

I personally think incels and women who declare having standards are perfect for each other.

[blueonblack22]

Touché

[Asker]

First of all your comment is totally useless for incels, coz they are not even rich. They don't have anything to give ( in terms of looks , money , personality, behaviour, values) and still have audacity to say that they deserve this or that. Lmao. Here I'm not only talking about beautiful women , I'm also talking handsome man/rich man.
Why someone who have everything will settle for Incel/femcel who don't have anything except toxicity and hateness.
Both Incel/femcel hate other genders. lmao

[blueonblack22]

They are addicted to the feelings of anger and bitterness because it’s an ego problem QA.

This is complicated. Some of these people had legitimately very unfair/traumatic things happen to them. But they think they can “control” the dating and romance decisions the other gender makes. They can’t. Even if they get unfairly rejected and/or mistreated by the other gender (legally mistreated) they can NOT control other people.

They need to be at peace with that. But that’s easier said than done for them.

[ManOnFire]

It doesn't matter. What I'm saying is that incels do not matter in regards to women lowering their standards. Women do that anyway. They are both fit for each other.

[Asker]

It matters, lmao no person will settle for incels , they rejects these stupid ugly incels lol and then these incels blame women and hate women lmao, i don't think here women are wrong. Nowadays women are smart they settle either for good mature guy or handsome guy or rich guy , vice versa for guys.
It's stupid when a fat girl/guy say they deserve handsome/beautiful person when they don't even have good personality lol

[Asker]

@blueonblack22
"They are addicted to the feeling of anger..." Lmao ykw it's their problem not everyone. their fault , not anyone. Lemme tell u one thing everyone have problems in their life. No one's life is perfect. But smart and mature people change themselves for right reason -( Even if it's about confidence, good kind personality, body , social skills) , they don't spread hateness towards other genders.
"Women need men and men need women" that's how life work. There is no point to hate.

[Asker]

Everyone have traumatic past, and I have tooo but it' doesn't mean I will hate everyone. Not every man and woman is same. Just like incels , femcel falsely accuses man for rape case lmao and spread pseudo feminism. Is it right? Ofc no. Both stupid destroying society nothing else. Period.

[blueonblack22]

Asker. I’m not sure how far we want to go down the rabbit hole here. Personally I don’t waste my time complaining about women because it’s an exercise in futility. It accomplishes nothing other than ventilating. I am telling guys to that is okay to ventilate but after you’re done, what is your PLAN to improve. A true incel has given up on improving himself.

But I will say this. Try to understand people before being underwood. Understanding people doesn’t mean you agree with them and their viewpoints. For example I hate modern feminism but I know just complaining about how it harms men (and it has) won’t change anything. Instead I now ask women FIRST if that ideology is making them happy. I know it isn’t but I want to first ask women how that approach is working out for them. I seek to understand them before I expect them to understand me.

When dealing with true incels I encourage you to ask them “what’s your game plan?”. Ask them what their goals are. Don’t dismiss their gripes but instead focus on how why they feel the way they do first. When they feel heard then they feel respected. When they feel respected THAT is time to bring up your criticism. Reason being they are likely more open to hearing you out because you heard them out first.

That is of course you have the patience for that. Don’t expect you to put that kind of mental effort. But just some food for thought there.

[coachTanthony]

Incels won't fly to Thailand to get laid but stay here and bitch and moan about it. Cracks me up.

[U776rf]

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[blueonblack22]

The problem is they are addicted to bitching/moaning. Even if their gripes are legitimate just complaining and hoping for world to change in futile.

[SolitarySolace]

Maybe that’s because incels don’t want to have sex? And everyone made that idea up on their own?

[blueonblack22]

@SolitarySolace the official definition for incel is “involuntarily celibate”. So yes they do want sex and intimacy. However they struggle and their resolve is to just complain about it.

Many of their complaints are legitimate considering modern feminism has done to society. But the bottom line is their complaining WORKING. It’s not. Because women aren’t going to change. Men who are in happy relationships don’t really care either. A man’s brain chemistry changes when you are happy relationship. Also men are much more competitive (out of evolution). We feel less empathy for lower value men compared to how women support each other.

Anyway misery loves company. It’s okay to ventilate. But what is your PLAN? What action are you going to take to improve yourself and your situation?

[SolitarySolace]

Well I say incels should go the MGTOW route. Work on themselves. Ignore women while doing so. Go to the gym, or have a home gym. Focus on work or a hobby that you can improve into a career and become successful. Then reject as many women as possible to hurt them the same way they just you. That’s what I’m doing.

Also, do you know the origins of the term incel? Did you know the term originally was created by a woman?

[blueonblack22]

@SolitarySolace and that’s great. You are taking action. That’s very good you are trying to improve yourself.

Personally I’ve given up on giving myself or others labels like MGTOW, Incel, simp, alpha, beta, etc. I will definitely judge specific ACTIONS and societal Tejeda with those phrases.

But I think twice about labeling the person outright. The individual is complicated.

[blueonblack22]

*Societal trends

[SolitarySolace]

That’s good coming from you but others would beg to differ

[blueonblack22]

@SolitarySolace of course they will beg differ. But I can’t control now they think and neither can you. And if they want to judge me for it then they can kindly go f*ck themselves.

But throwing out quick labels is really just a mental shortcut and sign of low intelligence. Sadly lots of people are like that. But so what. Doesn’t mean I will act the same way.

[SolitarySolace]

I like the Elon Musk reference

[blueonblack22]

@SolitarySolace and does Elon really care about what other people think of him? He doesn’t and that combined with his drive/high IQ is why he is so successful.

[SolitarySolace]

Agreed

[Curmudgeon]

@blueonblack22 "So yes they do want sex and intimacy." - But that's just it. They want that intimacy, that soulmate, that "one-itis". So just getting an escort or a prostitute isn't enough for them. In a way, their failed "all or nothing" view is romantic.

[blueonblack22]

@Curmudgeon I get that. But they are addicted to the “one or nothing” feeling. Feel like they are owed a dream girl. They might of grew up being told they “deserve” a dream girl. But they aren’t looking at the world for what it is and how it operates.

Anyway the word “incel” has just become a derogatory catch all phrase to quickly label and dismiss men that “modern” women don’t like. Some times it’s well deserved (if they guy has a sense of entitlement). But other times it’s just a mental short cut and a cheap shot to avoid facing the ugly truth of what modern feminism has done to men.

Anyway men and women are definitely held to different standards when we complain about our problems. Women “bond” over bitching and complaining. They often don’t want someone to solve their problems but just want to be “heard” and have someone feel sorry for them. They just want that empathy that someone cares about them whether they deserve it or not.

Men on the otherhand are supposed to be resolution oriented. Masculinity is about SOLVING PROBLEMS. Taking action.

Sometimes we don’t know wtf the do though. Sometimes there is NO resolution for our problem. In those situations it’s an ego problem. Because our ego thinks we can become supermen and magically change overnight and we can’t.

So here is a famous slogan anon groups to help people suffering addictions.

“God grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change. The courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference”.

Men and in particular so called “incels” REALLY need to get above. And that takes ego control to accept what you can’t change but also courage/drive to accept what you can change.

Everybody is going to bitch occasionally. It’s human to ventilate. But after you are done what is your SOLUTION? If you can’t solve the problem then you just have to accept it and let it go.

[Curmudgeon]

@blueonblack22 Exactly - I posted about that - "One-itis".

[blueonblack22]

@Curmudgeon it’s an addiction in itself. Also dangerous if a man with this problem finds a woman who is seemingly “the one”. He will become obsessed about her and even become a stalker.

His upbringing and his relationship with his mother (or lack thereof) can really contribute to this problem. He might have been told when he was younger that he would get what he wanted would day as if his dream was a promise. But as time goes by he does not get what he was “promised”. That partly due to bad parenting. There are NO promises in this world (besides death and taxes).

So he often has abandonment issues and/or was raised with a very naive and unrealistic view of women and dating. This leads to bitterness and resentment. And modern feminism has greatly exacerbated the problem. Many of these same “incels” would have likely been married and/or had kids if they grew up in a different generation. Modern feminism has definitely had a very real impact on that. I’m not making excuses for these men to give up (I got struggles but I’m not quitting).

But we have to acknowledge the reality of how the environment has changed and how to deal with it (if you even can deal with it)

[Curmudgeon]

@blueonblack22 And your analysis of the poison of 3rd wave Feminism is spot on as well.

[blueonblack22]

@Curmudgeon it’s impossible to ignore that. It’s by far the number one contributing factor to the breakdown of healthy male/female relationships and marriages in modern society. Sure porn, social media, digital technology are all negative contributing factors. But modern feminism as an ideology is the tip of the spear. Number one enemy to relationship happiness in the west.

So what can men do about it? Most (justifiably) complain about what they have to deal with. However I have a different approach: We need to focus on how modern feminism is ultimately making WOMEN miserable. Most women really don’t care about how this harms men. If they did you would see more women speaking out against it (there is a minority of women speaking up though).

Also most guys in happy relationships don’t really care much either. It’s a waste of time for them to put mental energy to protecting frustrated bachelors.

So when guys complain about modern feminism they need to focus on how it harms women FIRST. Then after that point is made they can talk about the damage it has been done to men.

“Seek to understand before being understood”.

- Stephen Covey (famous author of the 12 habits of highly effective people).

[handsomelad70]

@blueonblack22 So are you a Kenny Wayne Sheppard fan?

[blueonblack22]

@handsomelad70 actually never heard of him tbh

[Rangers]

Well, there's the problem. They went to Thailand. They should've gone to Israel or Ukraine, the girls there are incredible, and will swarm any decent looking American man who shows up

[handsomelad70]

Thailand? Why Thailand?

[coachTanthony]

I think many are missing the boat on this. Incels have no confidence with women no charm no game nothing. They just expect women to accept them without any effort on becoming some legal attactive in their end. Thailand would give them some confidence of being around women …. having sex with women etc etc. if I’m fat I go to the gym lose weight and eat right. I don’t say I’m involuntarily fat and just expect women to deal with it. Ridiculous!

[Rangers]

Thailand? Half of the "women" there are just men with boobs.

In Israel, they're gorgeous, kind, and religious. A 4/10 man from America is a 8/10 in those countries and the girls there know it.

Especially since Ukraine and Israel are at war and all the men are gone, so there's even less competition

[coachTanthony]

@rangers Can you purchase sex in Israel? If not then why bother. These guys need to get laid and start building confidence

[Rangers]

No need, all the girls will stage gladiator battles in Israel when an American man comes to call on them.

They won't sleep with him at first, cause that's sinful and their religion won't permit such behavior, but they'll kiss all over him and get to know everything about him

[coachTanthony]

@rangers I’ve been to Israel nothing ever came close to that why? Because there were a shit ton of Americans there already not sure what you are referring too but I’ll send the CELS to Thailand lol

[blueonblack22]

Let’s be real about one thing though. Western are being held to higher and higher standards nowadays and western women are holding themselves to lower and lower standards.

To a certain extent women can get away with it because their sexuality in itself is valued in society (not the same with men). But it gets to a point where it just gets to beyond ridiculous. Here’s perfect example:

AITA for blocking a guy for watching anime? ↗

This same girl 30 years ago would have never have ghosted this JUST because he “likes anime”.

I wouldn’t blame this guy for being angsty and “incelish” after what was done to him. However he can NOT stay that way. But I can see how some men are justifiably getting jaded and angry. They are playing a game they can not win.

[coachTanthony]

@blueonblack22 there’s no winning just trying to get a sliver of the American pie …. if incels want some fairy tale that every other guy can’t get to begging with then they have bigger problems they are delusional

[blueonblack22]

The dynamics have changed though and definitely not for the better. We can’t use that as a cop out but we can’t ignore it either because it’s very real. It’s statistically accurate too. An inane 63% of men 19-30 are single now.

But “incels” believe if they complain loud and often enough that modern women will listen and change. But they WON’T (some even double down further.).

That’s the entire point I’m trying to tell other guys (and I keep reminding myself on). Yes most of your complaints are justified and valid. However besides ventilating (which is healthy and normal time to time) what is your PLAN? What are you going to do to improve your situation?

And if you can’t improve it then you have two options: accept OR move somewhere else where you have better opportunities. The “passport bros” approach isn’t a bad idea.

Modern women are only going to change when they come to agonizing revelation that modern feminism leads to discontentment and unhappiness. But too many of them are addicted to the sugar high of all the short term benefits.

[Dvious1]

@SolitarySolace smart move . . . for fear of being caught... I want to say I can relate but each to his own

[normalice]

Thats kind of what defines an incel. So the question is backwards. It's "why do people with uncompromising standards who, themselves, aren't hitting any watermarks end up being incels?"

And the question kind of answers itself..

[Asker]

Perfect lmaoo. True 😂😂

[Pohjolan]

"Thats kind of what defines an incel."
Nah its defined by whether they are getting laid or not while wanting to.

[Asker]

@Pohjolan nope. That's totally wrong. And his comment is right

[Pohjolan]

"That's totally wrong. And his comment is right"
Its literally in the term; involuntary celibate -> incel.

[normalice]

@Pohjolan "is the definition of" and "defines" are not the same thing. Look up the definition of defines if you don't believe me. English is horribly weird..

[Asker]

@Pohjolan first of all if u want something and u have to give something. If u can't give something, then don't spread hateness why that girl/guy didn't choose u.

[Pohjolan]

Wut? We were talking about who incels are.

[Asker]

That's what Incel is.

[Pohjolan]

That's ONE type of incel. However someone being a incel due so say having a skin disease doesn't mean that they are going to behave in a certain way.
Framing all sexless men in such a manner is not only misleading but also unproductive.

[bobby_bush_eater]

Red pill ideology is why. Red pill ideology stemmed from the absurdity that is whatever current phase on feminism we're on. It's essentially the male equivalent to modern feminism.

While feminism says a women don't need no man, can have all the sex she wants, dress however, your man has to be tall, rich, handsome, you're the price he ain't shit etc.

The red pill ideology these incels and frustrated young men subscribe to in media tells them all women are whores so you can't trust them. It says Western women are entitled and they're not functional to be a wife so just have as much sex as possible. It's irrelevant what you do because the girl will still whore, the new example is look at Tom Brady even he gets cheated on.

Both ideologies are shit though. The reality is traditional values, acceptance, and kindness is what works best.

[Curmudgeon]

No, to be honest, the incels are still "blue pilled" - that is, they are still pining.

[boggboss]

Thats all u find online people crying about wanting things they can't get and expecting the world to change around them both men and women are guilty of this stupid thoughts too man where told they are the main character and get upset when they don't have that plot armour

[handsomelad70]

Because they are, shall we say, messed up in the brain.

[boggboss]

I dont know if they all are I think they just get attached to places that tell them its alright and they are not the problom the world should change for them and when they are surrounded by people like that it becomes true to them

[Kingofkings1992]

The term “incel” is so profoundly stupid and immature , and anyone who uses it is cringe worthy. It’s never even attributed to someone for merely being unable to get laid. It’s used as an insult towards someone’s personality/ set of beliefs. Incel gets thrown around way too loosely in our culture, it’s almost meaningless at this point. A person has no way of legitimately knowing whether or not someone is an “incel” unless they voluntarily identify as one. So, if you want to make a critical remark about someone’s personality, please do yourself a favor and do better than simply saying the word “incel.”

[Curmudgeon]

The term is misused as an epithet, yes, but the concept is real.

[Asker]

Nope , both Incel and femcel are stupid. Antisocial, narcissist, toxic. Bruh

[handsomelad70]

"Bruh?"

[handsomelad70]

Where and when did the word "incel" begin?

[NatalieKeller95]

the only hope for incels is for them to date individuals with special needs, they're never get the hotties, incels need to accept that, unless they make a massive three 60 turn aways from their horrible beliefs, they will never get what they want, and they're not owed compensation or anything, you get what you give in this world, and if you give hate, then hate is what you'll get back

[Billlewis]

Well said, ma'am, but I think we should all be mindful of the fact that only a small percentage of incels are at risk of becoming violent, abusive or mentally unstable. I consider myself an incel, and I can honestly tell you that the constant sexual frustration that I've had to endure for more than two decades now has resulted in a dramatic improvement in my attitude towards women

[Billlewis]

... as well as being much happier in my relationships.

[rebeliouse]

surly a 360 degree turn is going back in the same direction dont you mean a 180 degree turn?

[Rangers]

I got me a broad who's a 10/10 from Ukraine. You sound bitter yourself that we're starting to figure it out that we don't have to put up with dumb liberal girls anymore, we can go abroad and no matter what you think, we're still in a whole different league compared to the men anywhere else in the world

[MzAsh]

Parts of society tells men that all they have to acquire is financial wealth. They don’t have to be good looking, or physically fit, or be a good person, or be loyal, or support a woman emotionally. It’s all about whatever it takes to smash dumb little girls and they believe money is it. But the lazy men who don’t want to work hard or build skills can’t even hack a decent income, and they’re pissed off because they can’t get laid.

[Rangers]

Anhedonia is running rampant, I have it myself and it leaves me with no ambition. Many accept that they've been dealt a bad hand in life, and I'm one of them

[Lionman95]

In principle to argue that they would have a reason to change or it would make it easier for them to change if they had a realistic chance of getting into a relationship.
Guys are purpose oriented from my experience so they do only what comes with a purpose. An incel that doesn't see a realistic chance of getting in a relationship won't try to change.

[Pohjolan]

Well for starters there's not a non-insignificant number of them so you will hear all sorts of commentary from them.

Secondly they mostly already have pretty low standards.

Thirdly some women have pretty high standards.

/watch? v=7z0KGGNxums

[Rangers]

They just need to look at girls outside the United States, and they'll get a sexy, sweet girlfriend easily.

Israel or Ukraine are my biggest recommendations for where to go. The girls there are gorgeous and they'll literally swarm around any good looking American man who shows up. Ask me how I know😊

[Chthou95]

Women date up not, down. Incels can't even get women on their level because women on their level are chasing after the small percentage of high value men out there. a lot of incels dont even have these ridiculous high standards. They just can't compete in the dating market. And Its not just incels who are struggling to meet a woman. Plenty of average men are struggling too

[Billlewis]

I have no intention of trying to have sex with any woman, much less a beautiful goddess like the ones you're referring to, because I know I'm not worthy even to kiss their feet, or yours, for that matter;)

[MemeSupreme]

why does it matter lol

like anyone who is on the internet too much you just can't take seriously bc no one in real life is like that

[Asker]

Sweetie some people are 😂😂don't u see here and there. 🤣

[MemeSupreme]

well ik there are SOME of them lol but most people aren't like this

like people act different online than real life and different shit matters too

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

The immense majority of incels from what I have seen are delusional and stupid, so don't expect them to have reasoning.

[patrick994]

I look average, I have never wanted a beautiful woman, but an average girl, yet they demand the super handsome man.

Incels and pretentious women are hateful for this very reason.

[DextroShade]

Most guys aren't demanding supermodels we just don't want our women to be fat, be a hoe, or be a bitch.

Women on the other hand have ridiculous requirements with even obese baby mommas demanding six figure earners.

[genericname85]

"incel" is not a thing. nobody is involuntarily celibate. unless for some reason they physically can not have sex but still wish to.

[Asker]

Still want a beautiful women accept them as they are. Lmao another level of hypocrisy

[genericname85]

that's not being incel. that's having exaggerated expectations. everyone can have sex if they want. just gotta lower their standards till they find someone willing to. there's always someone.

[genericname85]

funny thing is people rather call themself "incel" than realizing that sex is probably not all that matters to them after all xD

[Asker]

Most of the incels have exaggerated expectations. When they don't get what thy want. They starts hating women lmao

[Asker]

Well incels are just like femcels. Both are stupid as f**k 😂😂

[genericname85]

as i already said. they aren't incels. they are voluntarily celibate, cause they have standards that keep them from being laid. standards are voluntary not involuntary.

[Cheapskate]

This is so fucking dumb. The whole point of the mating drive is to combine your genes with the genes of a member of the opposite sex and create a good combo and reproduce. This is why we are attracted to some people and not to others.

There is something rather tapet about feminists telling incels that their standards are deluded and they should just ditch their preferences and sleep with whoever is willing.

Fucking no. We can't teach women that consent must be enthusiastic, and men that they can have no standards. I guess we can, but that exposes the lie about "equality" being the goal.

[Cheapskate]

*my phone changed "r@pey" to "tapet". Sorry about that.

[Asker]

Both pseudo feminist and Incel are wrong in this case. their standards are delulu. Coz everyone prefer looks over personality at first in reality. One more thing, if u don't look good or don't have good personality then don't ask why they don't choose u. lmao. (it apply for both genders). I saw many beautiful/handsome looking people marrying average looking people, coz of many factors. Dumb Incels don't even have these factors, they don't even have a good personality too. They can't even compromise, then how can they think , someone will compromise for them. Lol 😂 it's stupid.

[Asker]

For reproduction, nowadays everyone is looking for good looking and rich person lmao. It's bitter but it's truth. Reason for cheating is also same.

[Asker]

"we are attracted to some people and not to others" are u serious lmao. Same reason why beautiful girls don't choose guys who don't look good. Reason is same for both the cases

[Cheapskate]

I think you're judging incels based on their online output. I think a lot of people, not just incels, would look bad based on their forum posts.

[genericname85]

@Cheapskate dude what are you on about? nobody has an issue with men having standards. but you can't have standards and call yourself an inceld. you're voluntarily celibate if your standards keep you from having sex.

[genericname85]

like "oh no girl wants to have sex with me" and at the same time: "no she's fat i don't want sex with her", "no she has children, i don't want sex with her". dude that's a fucking choice.

[Cheapskate]

But it's not THEIR standards keeping them from having sex. All research shows that women have way higher standards than men do. And you shouldn't even need research to tell you that, it is abundantly obvious, directly observable in life, and super charged by dating apps, and a society that does not cater to or care about men, while relentlessly feeding women's ego.

[genericname85]

@Cheapskate nothing in your argument actually supported the point you're trying to make, how is it not their standard, if they "can" have sex but they choose not to, cause they're not attracted to the women they can have sex with?

[genericname85]

sorry first comma is supposted to be a period.

[SolitarySolace]

Trying to get women to understand the difference between incel and volcel is impossible because they hate men.

[Cheapskate]

Dude, this is not the dynamic. If you ask out a fat chick, odds are she already has a boyfriend or friends with benefits or fuckbuddy AND HE'S HOTTER THAN YOU. It's not like single mothers are stuck at home lonely waiting for the phone to ring. Women get guys hitting on them all the time. And they would rather share one attractive guy than have a less attractive guy all to themselves.

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace this goy cheapskate also doesn't get it.

[genericname85]

guy*

[genericname85]

@Cheapskate the point is that you can still lower your expectations untill you get sex. and if you do not do that, you're not an incel. if you're trying to make the argument that it is impossible for a man to lower their standards to the point where they can get sex, i disagree.

[Asker]

@genericname85 have standards (there's no problem in it) but it's necessary to hold yourself the same standards u set for your future partner lmao. It's stupid when a fat girl/guy looking for a beautiful/handsome people lmao

[Cheapskate]

Why are you stubbornly pretending that these guys aren't getting laid because their standards are too high? Do you have any evidence for this claim?

[genericname85]

@Cheapskate like OBVIOUSLY not every girl on a certain level is just waiting to fuck you. it's still some ammount of work. but you gotta do the work and not just sit there, sulking about how much of an incel you are. that's not incel. that's not doing what it takes to get sex and then being pissed that you didn't get sex.

[Asker]

Solitarysolace lmao u yourself hate women. Isn't.

[SolitarySolace]

@Cheapskate, how do you explain people calling me an incel or misogynist even though I’m asexual and have rejected sex so often that all of my exes cheated because of it?

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace bro you can be a misogynist and asexual at the same time. these concepts do not at all exclude each other. also did "people" call you an incel or was it "women"? cause if "people" do that, it doesn't seem to be a "women" problem as you previously hinted at. or are you actually a misogynist and that's why you said "women never understand this"?

[Cheapskate]

A lot of these guys are on the spectrum and normie guys will be like "it's a numbers game", "you have to put yourself out there", "work on your social skills". Yeah, bro, but while you were getting pussy, these guys were trying to talk to people since kindergarten with no one wanting to talk to them for more than a few minutes because their social timing was chronically off.

I find it so superficial to assume these guys' pain isn't real and that their gripes aren't somewhat legitimate.

I am pretty sure that every incel you meet on Reddit or 4Chan, if they were a woman, they could get laid or enter a serious relationship no problem.

[genericname85]

@Cheapskate so now your argument has gotten so slim that you have to resort to disabled people to even still have a last grasp at the indefensible position you're holding on to? wow.

[SolitarySolace]

@genericname85, apparently my experiences and fear of women lead others to deem me a misogynist and when I attempt to explain myself I’m deemed an incel. 🤷🏻‍♂️ they claim it’s because I want sex when I don’t and therefore will never have a partner. When in reality I don’t want a partner because I refuse to give a woman any semblance of happiness for putting me in the position I have been in for 9years now

[Cheapskate]

"your argument has gotten slim" = I have ignored every previous argument you have put forth and now I am doing it again, because I am really attached to my smug ass take

[genericname85]

@Cheapskate yeah i'm noticing that xD

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace i see no reason a woman would not understand that.

[SolitarySolace]

You really think women would understand? @genericname85? That hasn’t been my experience. If it were I probably wouldn’t hate women as much as I do now

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace i mean the woman who asked this question does undestand. maybe you should get in touch with a good therapist and meet a few girls that aren't terrible. it seems to me that you have been exposed to human scum from the female world.

[SolitarySolace]

I am seeing a therapist. I tell him how for example people both men and women blame me for all of my exes cheating on me. They claim sense I’m the common denominator it must be my fault and no matter what I say they don’t understand. My counselor thinks they’re wrong and that I’m not the one at fault. He specifically told me to stop using apps like this and that if I’m happy alone I should stay alone he also thinks someday I’ll find a good woman. I believe I’ve told him countless times I don’t want to risk finding a supposedly good woman but sense he is married he doesn’t understand no matter what I’m going to bring out the worst in women. @genericname85

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace yeah seems like you gotta remove bad people from your life. but i guess you're on track, if you're seeing a therapist and start getting aware of these issues. what people underestimate is how contageous bad ideas and negative emotions are. they are like a virus in your brain that's hard to kill. it seems to me you're suffering from that and i feel like it would really be beneficial for you to get some great people into your life to get a better outlook and perspective. it's probably a good idea not to spend a lot of time on sites like this.
like i consider myself quite emotionally stable and controlled and i sometimes how the conversations on here actually manage to unsettle me. this is certainly not a good site for people who aren't the most emotionally stable or reflected.

[SolitarySolace]

I’m taking a break from another polling app called show of hands which honestly I’ve become quite addicted to. Told myself I could go at least until my next counseling session without it because I have girls ask guys to sate my need for using a polling app. As for surrounding myself with good people I do go out as much as normal people. I go to work and surround myself with my coworkers because I have to. And my family are all caring and wouldn’t do anything to keep me from succeeding in life. I have a good friend group too honestly I prefer my own company and that of my cat but I occasionally hang out with my friends. None of my friends are female though I refuse to have female friends after the false accusation I dealt with 7 years ago.

[SolitarySolace]

Dont* go out as much as normal people

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace well that seems like you're blaming "all women" for a thing that one woman did to you. i do think it's a good idea to have mostly male friends or even entirely male friends. cause having too many female friends makes you feminine.

[SolitarySolace]

I’m not blaming all women I’m blaming the fact that women have thing like ex parte PPOs to utilize against good men and make those good men out to be bad men and when those men attempt to explain what’s going on no one believes him. He can’t be the victim because he’s a man. Only women can be victims, right? THAT unfair advantage women have is what I hate. It’s just easier to say I hate women.

[SolitarySolace]

Besides why continue to
Attempt to find a reason to believe women aren’t going to take advantage of these things? The more I try to seek one that won’t the more likely I’ll end up in jail. I almost did before

[Asker]

Ex parte PPO? Where are u from

[SolitarySolace]

The USA

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace dude seriously. I don't know where you get these ideas from. i don't know any guy who thinks like that. this seems like some manosphere bullshit you picked up from social media. probably a good idea to take a break from that man.

[Asker]

@SolitarySolace oo now I got it , why u hate lmaoo

[genericname85]

yeah consuming the wrong media can make you hate certain people. the internet is a dangerous place for people who aren't firmly based.

[Asker]

@genericname85 true but it's now in trend

[genericname85]

yeah well. you can take note of people being stupid and still try to not be stupid yourself and waste your time with shit that litterally doesn't matter :D

[SolitarySolace]

You’re going to say I should stop so I can find a woman and have a relationship and get married someday right? That’s exactly why I consume such content. I’ve been burned too many times to believe the next one will be any different. Why change when I’ve decided to remain alone? No female friends either. Only women in my life are coworkers and family. I’m happier than I’ve ever been the only unhealthy aspect is from people like you two

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace i am going to say: not taking risks is not proper risk management.

[SolitarySolace]

Better than ending up in jail

[Asker]

Bro no one is even interested in giving u advice. Okk! Do what u want to do. Lmao your life your choice. @SolitarySolace.

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace yeah you got a lotta work to do. good luck my man.

[Asker]

@genericname85 ik that's why I asked this question 😂😃I was curious lmaoo. Stupidity is everywhere nowadays, it's your choice what to choose or what to not. Lol

[genericname85]

yeah additionally i feel like if you actually disagree with most mainstream stuff these days or simply do not pay attention to it, you're doing best. cause most of our modern "great debates" are actually completely irellevant.

like "black lifes matter"... duh. of course they do. just like white lifes and all the other colors.

or "my body my choice"... how about just use a fucking condom you twit

or "there's 100 genders"... no there aren't. there's dicks and pussies. that's it.

biden or trump... it's litterally turd sandwich and giant douche. it doesn't matter.

people should realize what unifies them instead of hyper focusing on the things that might be devisive.

[SolitarySolace]

We live in a divisive country and it’s been that way sense the founding of this country douchbag.

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace well you can choose your opinions and the people to surround yourself with. make the right choices or learn how to make the right choices and you'll be good.

[Asker]

@SolitarySolace like u. Isn't

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace you're not asexual by the way. just saying.

[SolitarySolace]

🤣 you don’t think so? What makes you think that? I’m still a virgin. My ex wanted to have sex and honestly we kept trying but every time I freaked out and it wouldn’t go in. Good thing too. Sense then I haven’t attempted it again and honest don’t want to. I’m not fond of sticking my plug into an outlet

[Asker]

@genericname85.
I don't agree with "Incel" point. But yeah agree with other points.
Yes, I do believe there are only two genders.
And no, I won’t talk about “chromosomes” or “sex”. I am aware there are like, three sexes in the world [female, male, and intersex (formally known as hermaphrodite but because people thought of it derogatory, they changed it to intersex)].
Transmen and transwomen identify as: female or male. Being “trans” is not a third gender. People may argue that being nonbinary is another gender, but I disagree because nonbinary is the lack of gender—you don’t identify with either. Hence why I don’t want to add nonbinary into the gender list. If you are genderfluid, you bounce back between identifying as female or male. See what’s common? Female or male. Two genders. If you’re intersex born with both genitals, you tend to fall under whether or not you feel like a woman or a man.
Anything else like agender (not identifying as a particular gender) falls under the same categories (for example, for agender, nonbinary). Hence why I don’t count those as genders either—unnecessary labels that already exist, just reworded.
The basic foundation of each “gender” is female or male, which is why I believe there’s only two genders (female or male).

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace you're inexperienced and scared. that's what you are. and you choose to label yourself asexual cause that's how your mind chose to reframe reality to make you feel better about it. it's ok to be inexperienced and scared and it's ok to fail getting with the wrong person and getting fucked over. but i'm sure your therapist told you that already. if not, you might wanna see a different therapist xD

it's totally fine to take a break from trying to get sex cause our last attemt sucks xD but at the end of the day you tried cause you wanted to and that to me shows that you're not asexual. you just currently do not actively seek out sex.

[SolitarySolace]

I tried because she wanted to at the time. You don’t know SHIT about me. But you can assume all you want. Sex doesn’t appeal to me. I don’t want kids so why have sex? Sex is meant for reproducing and if I don’t want kids why have it?

[SolitarySolace]

Also by all means you should continue to have sex. Bet it’s pleasurable. You’ll just end up on a leash for doing it. 🤷🏻‍♂️ not my problem

[genericname85]

intersex or hermaphrodite aren't a gender. they are deformities that make one have either unclear gender or both genders. so it's either both genders in the case of hermaprhodite or no gender in the case of intersex. but neither is a third gender. i do understand the struggle of these people to orient themself in a world they aren't part of. but it is what it is. that's how the world works. i personally don't care how people identify. identity is not a one sidedly dictated process. identity emerges from negotiation between individuals. the simplest and dumbest example is: i can't identify as your king and force you to accept that identity. that's not how identity works.

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace why would i end up on a leash for having sex? i know exactly what's going on in your mind whether you like it or not. and you evidently do not like it. that's fine. take a break. no need to keep talking to me.

[SolitarySolace]

I believe women gain power through having sex with men. She can decide it wasn’t consensual when originally having agreed to it. Next thing you know you’re accused of rape and are in court headed toward a guilty verdict and prison time.

[SolitarySolace]

Anyway have fun debating ridiculous genders that don’t exist. 🤣

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace that's not how it works. that's manosphere bullshit. and that very rarely ever happens. but i do think that one should make sure they aren't dealing with a nutcase before having sex with them xD

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace it's fun watching your coping mechanisms work ;)

[SolitarySolace]

Someday you’ll learn that you should have heeded this manosphere bullshit before you end up in trouble that could have been avoided.

[SolitarySolace]

Clearly you deserve everything coming to you

[genericname85]

xD that sounded kind fo condescending but i don't mean it that way. it's just fun to watch cause it's so cathartic to think about that feeling when you finally break free from these mechanisms, which if you keep staying on the right track will eventually happen. it's liberating and i'm looking foreward for that to happen to you :D

[genericname85]

@SolitarySolace nobody "deserves" anyting. that's just a spitefull concept used by pitiful people.

[Asker]

Lmao

[Inbox]

Strong men and women blame themselves, weak ones blame everyone else

[genericname85]

@Inbox exactly.

[Asker]

@Inbox that's why Incels are weak. That's What I observed lol

[Inbox]

@Asker When did I say I disagreed? Lol

[Asker]

@Inbox lmao u misunderstood dude. I mean I totally agree with u 😂😊😃

[Tomisworthless]

Female standards are just reasons to reject distasteful men. The hotter you are the more boundaries/standards you can encroach on without the woman being offended or losing her attraction to him

[Anonymous]

Everything you know about guys you learned from YT?

[Asker]

Not only YouTube. It's everywhere lmao. Here I'm talking about crazy stupid dumb incels. Not mature man.

[Opinion Owner]

Why do you even worry about such outliers?

[Asker]

I'm not worry, I'm curious lmaoo 😂😂😂

[Opinion Owner]

There are people who want to go through life finding excuses for their futures instead of finding paths to their success, and I really do not have the desire to be concerned about them. I think they are beyond help.