You can't expect this country to birth great leaders when the school system isn't

[flashrex]

Prince Ea's I Sued The School System - Youtube

As George Carlin once said, "Garbage in, garbage out". We force children to go to school every day to learn subjects that they won't directly apply to their lives (mainly in Highschool) which isn't to say that all of American schools' learning material is useless, it's just most of it is. We aren't taught how to speak in crowds, how to get a job, how to pay taxes, how to manage money, how to buy a house, how to open a bank account, how to write a resume, how to pay a mortgage, how to drive (at least for free) and more, and if we are taught it isn't primarily focused on.

Putting that fact aside, the way school conveys information makes it so that most students will forget the course material within a few days. A study (cited below) showed that students on average forget 95% of everything their taught within literally 3 days. We need to stop stressing kids out because we can teach them better than that, and we should. Students have been committing suicide more than any other time in history for a reason (nbc26 news article- Suicide is the second most common cause of death among college students).

A solution to this is to let students choose what classes they want to take (For example: if they're interested in cars let them go to an automotive based school on their own volition), so they could branch out to whatever career they want. That way, you aren't wasting their time, or their potential.

Sources:

• mytuition.nz › articles › high-school › Students forget 95% of what they learn in high school after 3 days. Here's how to help them study - Written by: Jimmy Li

• Youtube: I SUED THE SCHOOL SYSTEM (2021) - Prince Ea

#school #education #society

[Pleaznhim4me]

You make sense. The school systems do not teach kids anything beneficial to an actual career of future. It’s basically just a system to take measure of scores in districts with constant testing and pushing multiple agendas. I believe you have a valid point and that other than being taught basic English and arithmetic. Schools should teach social skills, job skills, living skills, money management skills, coping with stress and anxiety skills and many other real life skills.

[Sixgunsound]

It is not in the best interest of the people who own the world to have a smart and discerning population that can tell how badly they are getting screwed by that system because one day they might get sick of it and do something about it.

[AmandaYVR]

All of those things you mentioned are important to learn, but why put the onus on the school system and educators when it's actually parents' job to teach these? Every school should have an economics class to teach about money, budgeting, etc. Automotive repair sounds interesting and would be popular with many guys, but it might be too impractical to offer, because most schools cannot fit a garage, several cars, etc. into the architectural framework. Actually my husband did have this class when he was a teenager, but his school had a lot of options mine didn't - bigger budget. People actually moved to his school district to get that particular education. They have some of the highest test scores in the state. So it can be done, I guess. Will Americans support more funding for education, through taxes, though? They always seem hell bent on not raising taxes, yet look at the "defence" budget spending.

Just saw a news report which said knowledge and test scores are even lower now, post-pandemic than before. Only 1 in 4 students have met the requirements of understanding basic math. English was something like 1 in 2, or a bit less.

I don't know to say. Even in China and Japan, which are highly, highly, competitive markets, kids forget most of what they vomited onto the tests. My short-term memory is shit. I don't know why. I, too, would like to know if a better way to educate does, in fact, exist. I cannot imagine it. But I agree with you about more diverse classes and curriculum. I don't know if there's 'time' for all of it, but my Consumer Education class was the most fun and daily life applicable. Not only was the teacher fun, but she encouraged us to be very interactive, and it was then that I began always seeing the angles, and the never-ending load of marketing b. s. out there. Kudos to that teacher.

[exitseven]

Parents play a huge role in their kids education. If parents take an interest in their kids schooling they will do better. When parents take their kids out of school to go to Disneyworld it sends a message that school is not that important. If parents don't give their kids what they need to succeed they have to share some responsibility for failure.

[Tanhoaon]

Honestly, I don’t know whether school do work well for you or not, but if you do learn in schools in third countries, America school still teach you a lot of useful things which, I don’t want to say, but at least someone can apply something in the school for their future.


People can not walk out with a freaking empty mind with how to do something in earning credit in a bank without perceiving basic math skill. People can not operate wisely technology or even a normal life without basic physics or chemistry. Even someone can kill someone just because they can not understand basic biology for human body I literally don’t support people all going to college, but basic school from element to high school, definitely necessary.

That’s what you say is that what our society has already worked. You can choose to end up at middle school which is not a good choice for your scale of careers at all, or you can choose to end up at high school and start to learn and work on jobs not requiring college level. But society can not work without basic skills. Literally ending up with major people don’t even understand basic skill to live well with other people because they personally like to live in their own selfish way. I support variety of kinds, but selfishness is a different term that already is mistaken by a lot of people, like you are right now.


How many people are still following their dream? It’s good if you can, but until people grow up, we no longer decide our dream is not what we want for our life. Saying like you will create a lot of people working in the same career, and finally, again ending up various careers which society need, and you may want to learn all over again because your world have no basic teaching for people. In short, that’s what basic knowledge in elementary to high school exploited for.

[Tanhoaon]

Purpose of school is not wholly teaching you to work. Its purpose is shaping people future career.

People are too personal for this topic frankly.

[BlueScorpio]

I agree, in my opinion there's no reason for kids having to go to school for 8 hours and then force them to get up at butt cracks of dawn when their minds are still in sleepy daze to learn. There's a lot they can get out to shorten the day so kids can get home earlier, study, finish homework and rest. It's stretched out cause it's getting them ready for the normal 8 hour/5 day work week before they become adults. That ita perry much daycare since most parents don't get off work till about 3 or 4 in the afternoon.

[Aerissa_Jade]

I had a money management class for a year, it was a math credit. The entire year was literally about markets, economics and job hunting. They taught us how to create resume's, how to get a job, (granted not realistic on that part) and how to buy stuff.

We all got jobs, got income and had to pay bills. Your grade was based on how well you did, those that ended up in bankruptcy, got D's or F's depending on effort.

We also had to shop, for common things, like food, toilet paper, etc... with whatever money we earned.

If you ended up homeless that could also be failing the class. It was a whole year of simulating the real world, in many aspects.

You could consider it an advance form of the game of life, only no board to move pieces but sometimes people had bad things happen or good things happen based on random luck.

Then again some of the USA's best leaders, didn't even finish high school.

[Lionman95]

Though I agree with much of what you said I´m not sure about your solution because I would argue that especially in modern days many young people don´t know what kind of career they wanna persue.

Like many would probably try to be a model or influencer since that seems like a job where you become rich soon. So they do what they already playing games and sitting in front of a screen trying to be a gamer or generating clicks on social media.

I therefore don´t think it´s the best thing to let every kid choose the subject they want but instead a curriculum that is more practical and more orientated to life and not just teaches knowledge but also skills.

[Sixgunsound]

An intelligent and articulate population which is capable of comprehending just how badly they’re being screwed by the people who own everything in the world is not in those owners best interest, so they actively work against that outcome. The public school system exists to produce happy and stupid worker drones who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork but not aware enough to realize how badly they’re getting screwed by the system. And certainly not people with the capacity to get angry and do something about it. You mentioned George carlin, you should take a look at his bit Dumb Americans.

[Sixgunsound]

Why do you think the federal government in the United States is arresting people who complain about schools as domestic terrorist?

[DJB72]

The Western education system is designed to create workers, not great minds. The great minds in the last century predominantly came from education systems using private tutors not mass classes.

Isambard Kingdom Brunel, George Stephenson, Humphry Davy and the other architects and engineers of the Industrial Revolution all had tutors and teachers lacking in modern schools. It's how they were taught to think that shaped Western society. But they needed drones and workers.

Unfortunately, the same education system remains in place now. Some are given the chance to get the same private education system as the revolutionary thinkers of 200 years ago, but modern politics and economic policies have bastardised it producing selfish "leaders" like Trump & Johnson instead of men and women of strong moral character.

[Chazmatazz269]

“A study (cited below) showed that students on average forget 95% of everything their taught within literally 3 days.”
Point made. Every other word was uselessly expended. Apparently we’re not even teaching the differences between ‘their’, ‘there’ and ‘they’re’. Ell oh ell!

[flashrex]

I couldn’t care less if I made a few typos, I typed it all out way early in the morning.

[Chazmatazz269]

Ell oh ell! “I’m smarter than you despite my ignorance!”. Here’s my excuse! Hahahaha!

[bingbongbangbung]

Using strawman and ad hominem I see

[Chazmatazz269]

Aw…. Do you really need excuses when you portray your ignorance so prominently? Ell oh ell! Keep digging, dummy. Tell us all how smart you really are! Hahaha!

[ohsheeT]

If our leaders were $100 bill 100 years ago every year that $100 bill has gone down to 98.99.97 that's how we are probably going to a $5 bill on how smart kids are nowadays it's not only the school it's the human race it's TV it's video games everybody is out to get everybody everybody scamming everybody and that's all these kids know I will be surprised if any great leaders come there will be some but what else comes with them

[exitseven]

Schools need to go back to teaching the basics. If they can manage to be proficient in math, they can balance a checkbook and if they learn proper spelling and grammar they can write a resume. I assign a term paper in some of my classes. Half the students cannot string together a proper sentence. I don't blame the students I blame the failing school system.

[FunkyMonkee]

Exactly! I was talking to an older friend of mine a few months ago about how nobody ever taught us the shit we NEEDED to know to get through life and how it SHOULD'VE been taught to us in school! Things like how insurance works!! We're nearly forced to learn shit like calculus and other higher math but, how many of us actually ever use any of that? It's great to learn if you plan a career where it's used on an almost daily basis but, other things are MUCH more important!!

[Anonymous]

There will be no more great leaders. Everything is run behind the scenes, world leaders mostly do what they are told and anytime they try to change anything they get snowballed by politicians even in their own party bought and paid for by the elites.

[Jackblue]

You are right, we ought to have internships for sutdents at least high school students so that when they go out into the workforce, everything they do will mostly be second nature to them. Of course, the robots might take most of our jobs in the next generation so it is maybe pointless to change education.

[Anonymous]

Yeah but school isn't about preparing kids for the adult world. It has a very different purpose today. It's basically a brainwash institution by the governments of some sort in an attempt to herd us away from independent thoughts and into being another tax paying drone.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/uAZqMaBY2MIhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/02ms7_fa-4k

[Anonymous]

I don't disagree that it would be nice to improve schools and make them more fit for purpose. Perhaps a one-size-fits-all solution like giant public school systems is a bad idea. Particularly when it starts prioritizing teaching woke bullshit rather than reading and math skills. Just a thought.

[strateguy632]

your list, most people do naturally. no need for school. the school subjects are a foundation on which to choose each of MANY college subjects that need various foundation

[jshm2]

The American system is fucked because it pays to listen to easy answer dipshits like Carlin. While underfunding small enterprises and fresh grad ventures.

[midnightmoon05]

Schools are to keep people in order and follow rules.
We have to learn to think outside of the box.

[User3191989]

I went to public school and I turned out well. What you don't like is the fact that public school, actually does what the constitution says, KEEPS PRAYER OUT OF IT

[flashrex]

I’m going to assume you haven’t read a single word of my explanation considering prayer or the constitution has absolutely jackshit to do with this take.

[User3191989]

Actually it does

[MementoMori_]

"Garbage in, garbage out"

This was an old computer programmers term. "GIGO"

[MementoMori_]

Schools are no longer places of learning about things that will advance a civilization. They are about indoctrinating children in how to be subservient to the state and disrupt civil society.