Do schools kill creativity?

[alinakhanx0x]

Yes.

No.

Other

[gentlemanscholar]

I think that we must be passionate about education and how creativity can greatly benefit both students and teachers, alike.

I think is vital to intertwine the necessary skills and knowledge found within education, together with the joy of creativity, and harmonized the two into the broader education system. Thereby, encouraging students and teachers to engage on a deeper level of learning, both personally and collectively.

However, if the schools have no long term strategic education plan together with a clear vision within the schools; which supports and nurtures the skills, knowledge and creativity of both teachers and students, then there can be no leap forward in the field of education.

Teaching lies at the heart of this issue. If teachers are not supported and mentored in their roles as teachers, in a way that allows education to become a vehicle, which celebrates the immense creative potential of both students and teachers, then nothing moves forward, it becomes an educational stale-mate.

Thus, without the support teachers, can not sufficiently teach their students what, they the students need to know, understand, and apply in practice.
The flow effect continues in the schools, so therefore, there can be no room for growth in the area for creativity, innovation or, truly effective pathways towards providing quality education for the students. This is how schools have killed creativity.

I believe strongly, that the complete opposite is occurring in the field of education. We are indeed, educating ourselves out of creativity.

[RolandCuthbert]

Folks here think when you say "creativity" you mean paintings and sculpting. They don't get it.

I am pretty good at logic. I took a philosophy class on logic in college because I loved it so much. But as I advanced in the technology field, I began to understand that I needed a "creative" approach to implementing solutions. Too many times, what was learned in training or in the classroom just did not apply in the real world. In the real world, there are office politics, there are constrained budgets, project deadlines, etc.

There were simply too many scenarios that I was not prepared for.

I needed to become "creative".

So I adopted unconventional strategies to address the business issues I was confronted with. And I am successful, only because of my creative approach to the different problems I am confronted with.

[asjadk123]

You are looking for the word innovative

[RolandCuthbert]

@asjadk123 Wow. . .

Synonyms

clever, CREATIVE, imaginative, ingenious, innovational, innovatory, inventive, original, originative

[Киттйлинк]

No, not exactly. One who is creative cannot be taught out of it... it’s he way your brain works... those who are not born with it, can surely try to learn to be creative, but one who is by nature creative cannot be taught out of it... perhaps some may distance you from it for a time but cannot fully take it out of you less they go into your brain and do that.. in which case you’d probably die.

[MlleCake]

Some sure do. But plenty of schools have found ways to use children's own creativity and natural curiosity to give them a fantastic education. Creativity is not just about art or music, but also about learning how to look at things like mathematics in a way that sparks interest.

[hotstuffSRD]

I think so... Specially in our country
Nowadays it's getting better cause some parents and people praising creativity. But I know a lot of people who don't even know their hobbies or wanna do something different. It's either engineer, doctor or government job... It's not that people ain't creative, it's more like people don't appreciate it which demotivates the one with skills and talents.
Nailed it... 🤟

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[CubsterShura]

Depends on the school.
But I feel like even if the school does not promote creativity, if his or her home does or the environment outside of the home does then school wouldn't be are to kill one's creativity plus it can also depend on the child. Some are rebels others listen to all orders. I think rebellious kids tend to be more creative.

[Ultimate_Gohan]

They are killing creativity but u gotta realize a teacher can't give special attention to each and every kid. A kid must find his own talents and pursue them.

[Halucinator]

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[zee_13]

School wasn't the best place for me but I remember loving the class of Arabic and Madame Caroline, the French teacher ( I'm a French literature student now)
Plus school gave me access to books ( as gifts or in the library) which was a kind of escape for me in my childhood.
I'll say it depends to answer to ur question. 😅

[taleswapper]

Not so much creativity as non-conformity. And not so much kill as badly wounded.

For example, let's say a student is given an art project. Almost from the start, the project is bound by restrictions. It must be a drawing, not a sculpture or poem. The subject is usually specified, There are size restrictions. Etc.

[IlyaTheImpaler]

No, bad students kill their own creativity. Your teacher gave you all the tools you need to be creative, people who complain are those who didn't figure out how to use it.

People who are bad at problem solving in class tend to be bad at problem solving in real life, there are exceptions or so I have heard, I just haven't seen any. Where I live is the central hub of startups in NA so if they exist I should've seen them 😂

[gym4ever]

yes it kills , but depends do you care or not? When teacher say something i dont like or i have to do something on other way i dont listen her, no matter what she say i will do thing what i want to do so it all depends on you. If u listen to teachers and their opinions you will end up like retard. Why should i listen to someone? I dont care lol , they should listen me :P

[A-man-22]

I don't understand this , Creative=good, idea

Creative doesn't mean useful.

Paintings look nice but they aren't allowing you to grow food or build houses.

Art is useless if times aren't prosperous.

No one is going to buy statues if they can't eat, get to work or live somewhere.

I thought we agreed never to be creative again.

[RolandCuthbert]

Creativity does not mean art.

[A-man-22]

Logic actually takes you there.

Imagination makes you believe you are there when you aren't.

I think logic is far superior to imagination.

Sure imagination may work wonders 1 every 100 times.

But I'll take above average 99 of 100 times over that.

[RolandCuthbert]

Perhaps the greatest scientific mind in the history of mankind said his imagination was worth more important than his intellect.

He disagreed.

[A-man-22]

One great mind says that.

Look at the rest of history.
The people who made the most progress were strong in intellect.

Newton, Cauchy , Leibniz , Brunel etc.

All used intellect to succeed.

Creativity is useful, without it nobody would try new things.

Creativity is the want to try and make a bridge out of pykrete

Intelligence is knowing that , that's a stupid idea.

[RolandCuthbert]

Look at the rest of history? What do these great minds say about intellect? Your analysis of what they accomplished is biased based on your assessment of the importance of intelligence. I can post just as many quotes as you can. But I have no need to project my views as universal.

You do you. Everyone else can make different choices.

Good luck.

Steve Jobs;



Bill Gates;

[A-man-22]

You were the one that asked the question.

I just gave my response.

It disagrees with yours.

I'm not saying my views are totally correct , no view is on anything.

Neither are yours fully correct either.

We can throw quotes at eachother for eternity nothing will change as neither of us can see the others argument as plausible.

Creativity has use but is less important than logic.
We need both but personally I think logic is more useful.

[RolandCuthbert]

Whatever dude.

I just wanted folks to know that to pretend that intelligence matters more than everything else is simple foolhardy. I could not be where I am if I did not come up with imaginative solutions to the problems businesses face.

I had to be able to make my little company stand out among a sea of other consulting firms.

And I have plenty of quotes from business leaders, scientists, statesmen, etc. who all believed that creativity and imagination were simply more important.

[A-man-22]

Your company was successful.
That's because you came up with a good creative idea.

There have been twice as many failed companies due to having a creative idea that doesn't work.

I know you have to make yourself stand out in the business world or else you are competing with giants.
However, not every idea helps.

Creativity without logic doesn't survive.
Logic without creativity doesn't thrive.
But I'd take being a small boring company over being a bankrupt company.

[RolandCuthbert]

"There have been twice as many failed companies due to having a creative idea that doesn't work."

And just as many will fail with a genius coder or architect at the lead. And the funny thing is I employ a few of those guys. Some will be successful in managing their own business or in managing a team, because they have the creative mind to design their own solutions independent of some blue print.

Others will not because while they are absolutely brilliant at what they do, they have no ability to think outside conventional boxes.

And if you can't look at a problem and come up with something unique in your approach, you are screwed. Why should a costumer leave their agreement based upon you offering the same exact service?

And if you are a boring company, then you will be a bankrupted company.

That much is guaranteed. I am certain I will lose one contract within the next two years because one of the firms I am working for is not growing.

[A-man-22]

If that logic is true all local stores should be bankrupt.

In my home town there are 3 supermarkets with butcher areas.

Yet the old town butcher still survives. Sells similar products but is more central that's all.

Sometimes non creative ideas work if there is a need for them.

The big corporations can't be 100% everywhere. Those small areas of lacking coverage are what small businesses thrive in.

[RolandCuthbert]

"If that logic is true all local stores should be bankrupt."

Logic failure, so you claim stores do not go bankrupt? Sears isn't going bankrupt? Kmart? JCPenney?

What happened? Aren't they lead by brilliant people? I get it. Someone else came along and did the exact same thing they were doing and took their business.

Amazon.

Yep, Amazon opened a whole lot of stores and did things the exact same way Sears, Kmart, etc. did. . . and simply beat them at their game.

"Yet the old town butcher still survives. Sells similar products but is more central that's all."

And how many small town shops have been put out of business by Walmart, Target, and other Big Box franchises?

"Sometimes non creative ideas work if there is a need for them."

You can modify your argument, if you say you are modifying your argument.

This is not your argument.

[A-man-22]

I don't live in America it may be very different over there considering the heavy emphasis on capitalism.

But over in Britain there are places for small business with little special qualities.

You'd think by now that there would be a large chain fish and chip shop in Britain due to its popularity right.

Over 100 years and no one has come up with a revolutionary idea for the trade.

Because when they did it failed.
Not saying there isn't one because there is always room for improvement but if you want to make something work move to a place that doesn't have what you are good in that is all the innovation you need in Britain.

Logic is better in this sense, how much do you price your food at, where do you get your ingredients, how much variety do you serve.

British people want just standard fish and chips to a good quality that is local.

Innovation in that market is slow.

All fish and chip shops thrive on quality, locality and price.
Not serving a wacky unique dish.

Same with pubs, they are independently managed, though they serve very similar menus.

Why because that's what people expect when they enter a pub.

[RolandCuthbert]

Hey, I love the UK. And you are right. While I love Europe, I really don't have the head for being over there. You guys work less, you focus more on your personal lives. Americans work more than basically any other Western or Westernized nation. And it is only going to get worse.

We are more competitive, more ruthless, probably less ethical, etc.

But uhm, your examples don't really make much sense or logic given the conversation.

No one has thought of a replacement for trade? We were talking about intelligence vs creative thinking.

Was trade the result of intelligence or being creative? What is your argument here?

"British people want just standard fish and chips to a good quality that is local."

Yeah, I don't eat very well when I go to the UK.

But I never sleep, because I am always up watching British television.

You guys have the most creative entertainment on the planet. To me it is amazing how such a small island can produce some of the greatest musicians, entertainers, comedians, in the history of mankind.

[A-man-22]

My point is that some trades benefit more from creativity some benefits more from intelligence.

The UKs environment is more friendly for starting businesses who can just get the basics right.

No need to spice it up here.
If you can do good at what you do and it's in demand you have custom.

[RolandCuthbert]

"My point is that some trades benefit more from creativity some benefits more from intelligence."

Nah, I don't see your point. Originally you made the statement like the concept of trade was created by a guy who only used intellect. And that "creative" thinking hadn't thought up a better concept than trade.

It is like saying no one has found a better way to breathe yet.

Yeah, I have worked in the UK before. I don't know about how it is with respect to starting businesses. But one thing I do know is that in the tech industry, you guy are much more concerned about the privacy of your citizens, exposing sensitive data of British citizens, etc.

In America, corporations like Facebook screw Americans and even the victims seem okay with that.

[A-man-22]

You don't want to be so creative it becomes impractical though.

Unless you are in the women's clothes trade.

Try your wildest ideas but people will always need effective, thus there is a constant market for it.

It's like motion controls in gaming.

Innovative and made money.
But they have died of now as it was just a fad.
While standard consoles have been selling consistently throughout that time.

It will be the same with vr.
Just a fad that doesn't make money consistently.

[RolandCuthbert]

"You don't want to be so creative it becomes impractical though."

This isn't your argument.

"Try your wildest ideas but people will always need effective, thus there is a constant market for it."

Where is that in dispute? And how is simply doing whatever everyone else does, being effective?

Your analysis is totally incomplete. You talk like a hollywood producer. Consoles have been steady producers? Are board games steady producers? Oh. . . I guess video games, consoles, computers game replaced that market.

It isn't really a debate any longer, is it?

In order to succeed you must be willing to fail.

A lot.

[A-man-22]

Your argument lacks power.

Many creative industries lost out to bog standard industries.

Pottery, cars, art all defeated but mass uninnovative companies who were just really good at what they did.

There is creative innovation and logical innovation.

Lamborghini, creative unique supercars, bought by Audi.
Audi may not be flashy and their cars boring but they are effective.

Lamborghini's are just a name. They have tones of Audi based parts because they work.

Logical innovation, cars need to work well all-round. Car companies who make specialist cars are a small part of the market.

You tell me why almost all the unique car brands are owned by the German brands

Because the German brands focused on making cars that everyone could use. They rarely experiment outside of the norm.

Pottery, dieing out industry because factory made pots are better more effective and easier to get.

Logical innovation, hand made items are slow. You can meet demand easier if you mass produce it.

That isn't creative innovation.

Logic is all about being sensible

Creativity is about trying things out of the box.

Your going to say to me that making cars more well rounded and meeting demand is creative?

That's about as logical as you can get. Increasing target audience and meeting demands.

[RolandCuthbert]

At this point, you have no argument.

You have confusion and uncertainty. That won't save a business. But you have adopted my position so, its cool.

"Many creative industries lost out to bog standard industries."

You see this is a statement that is just untrue. You offer no examples. But it doesn't matter. You are simply playing around with semantics. If you wish to call companies that fail. . ."creative" and companies that succeed "logically innnovative", it matters little to me.

To me, a person responsible for my employment and the employment of the men and women who depend upon my strategies and leadership, it is silly to worry about terms which basically means the same thing.

You see how you had to "sculpt" hypothetical? What do you mean by unique car brands?

Elon Musk owns Tesla? Is he German? And Germans are not creative? Einstein was born in Germany.



"That isn't creative innovation."

Actually what you said makes no logic at all. And that was not your original point. Creative minds are the ones most capable of innovation. Even you admitted that. You simply changed your position now that we have talked for a while.

It really doesn't matter to me. You are young. You have much to learn. And if you are going to talk about innovation, to me it matters little that you put the word "logical" in front of it.

I just find it hilarious that you just adopted my position in just a few posts. So young one, if you support "innovative" minds and innovative companies and wish to put the word "logical" in front of the word innovation.

It makes no difference to me. It is all the same.

"Uhm. . . I am not a creative person. I am a LOGICAL creative person."

You do know that creative is a synonym for innovative in any thesaurus right?

So basically you are saying that creative companies cannot beat a company that is logically creative.

And that is hilarious.

[YHL6965]

I don't think it kills them per se or directly. I rather think that it's not cultivating the creative capacities of pupils and, because they have to learn so much, they often "kill" their creative part to free space for all this knowledge they have to learn (despite a lot of it being useless)

[hahahmm]

Nope. To me that’s like saying school keeps people from becoming successful actors when the reality is that those who really want it put their life into that and those who don’t make excuses.

[MarioXx]

Schools are made to formally ingrain thoughts into young maleable minds.

Does this kill creativity? Only if you don't pursue creativity as a part of your academic schedule.

Does it encourage creative thought? Not in my case.

[ZoeAdams2]

Education at times holds people back with a one size fits all cookie cutter. This becomes a stifling of curiosity and creativity.

[wankiam]

they can be guilty of stiffling creativity if one does not conform. its not the fault of schools or teachers. they have a generic set of teaching practices to adhere too according to their governments

[Nik1hil]

Yes my status few days ago said it on what's app

That now I understand why school was difficult for me.
Because I was a DIVERGENT...
And school was an Erudite Headquarters which believed in Conformity and had no room for creativity..

[gothgirl997]

Did someone say Divergent and Erudite? Wow, love that movie

[Megatrizzle]

Personally, school has kind of inspired creativity for me. It helped me think more abstractly and question things that I originally thought were concrete and black and white.

[Deathraider]

School should be fostering creativity, yet when I see my class, when I look around, nobody has actually learned anything. They brag their grades, but are unable to recite the material they supposedly learnt.

[motownplayer2000]

Depends on the style of teaching.. there are great teachers that cultivate that creative attitude and help to make it better. While other, simply just want to get school by like the students do. What you learn won’t stunt creativity, it’s how your learning it that will... teacher need to know how to cultivate it

[belowbreathing]

I’m about to graduate high school and I don’t even remember what I learned. Instead of strict learning objectives, schools should allow students to have more creative freedom

[madhatters4]

entirely depends on the school. some schools can kill creativity, some really nurture creativity, and some are in between.

[GreatnessBack]

I say yes, because the schools major job is to make sure you are able to integrate into society.
My question is where are the parents? They need to make their kids into entrepreneurs.

[TripleAce]

No of course not
Schools are a tool used for your own passion of creativity... no one can stop that but you 😛

[HikerDude]

Yes, absolutely. Fostering conformity is a stated goal of public education, so it's part of the mission statement.

[killer4212]

Here's what einstein thought about school.
"It is, in fact, nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of education have not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry; for this delicate plant, aside from stimulation, stands mainly in need of freedom; without this it goes to wrack and ruin without fail. It is a very grave mistake to think that the enjoyment of seeing and searching can be promoted by means of coercion and a sense of duty."

[midnightmoon05]

yes, i am doing it everyday...
kinda being forced to teach their way

[Eternal_Blizzard]

I'd say it depends on school and parents wether child turns out to be creative or not
I was in military school and kids from our school are everywhere (diverse fields)

[chrisbigman]

It depends. I'm not sure all schools are created equal, just like not all teachers and all kids are created equal. I think creativity depends on the individual and their environment.

[PsychoKiller]

Absolutely. Every human is meant for other things, some are natural artists, some are natural athletes, some are natural mathematicians etc. etc. and school system makes them all jump through same hoops and doesn't allow them to develop their individuality. even later on, when they get to choose their future profession, the road to that has to do with everything more than the profession itself.

[JimboGB]

Schools don't prepare you for work life in the slightest, they narrow your abitions and what you think is possible.

[winterfox10]

American schools do, I can't speak to other school systems though.

[Redstang88]

No, there are plenty of options for creative outlets in school.

[TallAnon]

Schools teach us how to use our creativity to work towards something real. Creativity without education is like a tool without someone to use it.

[ryryryan]

Don't let school get in the way of ur education. These streets taught me everything

[mT2359]

They try to regulate too much. That causes problems.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

School for factory workers who should always follow instructions. Kills people's dreams.

[Effie91]

No it wasn’t hell knew more of subjects then my teacher did.

[JadeFluorite]

For me, it helped me cultivate mine. But I have seen others get their passions killed by it.

[ENTP_EMO]

Schools didn't stop me, far from it lol

[Desconhecida]

Schools kill souls since cavemen first math class

[Rangers]

Schools kill everything.

[chriscdi]

yep and they are doing everything wrong

[BronzedAdonis]

yeah and individuality too

[nbbn5]

Like?

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[scorchedwater]

absolutely.

[abc3643]

Quite the opposite.

[MrMansonsPocketPssy]

Duh
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[1828avaava1828]

yeah... could be

[MLGbreezy]

Honestly do

[bhavy24]

Not really

[Lance1965]

To a certain extent, yes.

[Anon-ymous1]

Mostly, yes.

[Poormanscomedian]

Socialism always kills creativity.

[TsubasaCorrupted]

They can, especially religious based ones.

[Halucinator]

I guess so

[asjadk123]

Parents do

[robertjsullivan]

NO, They can, especially religious based ones.