My gf’s mother was a teacher, she retired early because it just wasn’t fun for her anymore. Her biggest issue was the administration and dealing with the parents, who, more and more, are expecting the teachers to raise their kids for
them, or they go the other way and raise hell because you aren’t kissing the kid’s ass and skating them through with good grades. They also have all these dumbass standardized tests now that kids have to pass, so “teaching” as she knew it has totally changed, now it’s just a mad dash to cover all the material on the state tests so the kids do well and the school doesn’t get in trouble.
Also, not for nothing, you can’t even slap these punk ass kids up anymore when they get out of line. I was probably the last of the catholic school kids to get hit on the hand with a ruler (shout out Sister McGuirk) lmao, and when it comes to breaking fights up, I’m pretty sure the teachers aren’t even allowed to touch the kids anymore. I got in one fight during middle school where I was actually taking the kid but the wood shop teacher snatched me up from behind and absolutely bodybagged me, lmfao, threw me on the ground so hard. I saw my principal in first grade slam a fourth grader onto the ground like three times when he refused to sit in a chair in our classroom (kid was acting up and he was “sitting with the little kids if he wanted to act like one”). I could tell you dozens more stories like this, I mean, if you acted up in school you might get FUCKED UP by a grown ass adult, and that cooled your ass off REAL QUICK. I see school fights on the internet now and the teachers are just watching helplessly while there’s a huge donnybrook or one kid is just getting pummeled and is dead to rights, in need of help, and the teacher is off to the side like “ok, that’s enough Michael, please stop”, while they wait two full minutes for security guards to show up. And it’s all because some idiot parent will sue the school system because their fuck ass kid is a hooligan and needed to get checked. You just can’t have that, man, you gotta be able to fuck these kids up so they stay in line. I would have been HORRIBLE if that threat wasn’t over my head at all times, holy fuck. But now it’s the schools under threat, you can’t look at a kid the wrong way. If I could take today’s societal attitudes and procedures back with me to the 80s and early 90s, I’d be a rich man today, living off suing some poor bastard just trying to keep control of some delinquent kid lmfao.
Exactly!!! You get it. You gotta beat some ass and it is ok. if parents don't like the discipline, they got a voucher to go somewhere else or home school. raise their brat themselves if they don't like how the teacher disciplines. I respect the teachers who disciplined me. Kids without boundaries are wild ass animals... and that's what we've got.
@Janenow I get that, obviously you can’t smack a kid for academic performance, I’m talking about these unruly ass kids who show up and wild out all day, the discipline problems. I’m not saying to slap up kids routinely, I’m just saying that one example can go a long way. That fourth grader I told the story about in my first grade class, that sent us all a message. Act right and everything is cool. Act out of line, and you’ll be forcefully put back into line.
Like when I was little, I had a measure of respect for teachers. I actually had a little more advanced thinking than some of my peers at the time, and I realized that these teachers are just regular people, so eventually that turned into “who the fuck are you to give me any kind of order?” And that made me more problematic, I needed to defy that as a matter of principle. But I understood that that was the expected dynamic, to be submissive to the faculty, if not for them, for my parents, who would absolutely give me the business if they found out I was giving a teacher trouble. So that kept me somewhat honest, I knew an ass-whupping would come from somewhere. And I’m the type of person that needs an actual physical repercussion like that to take it all seriously. Nowadays kids get put in “time-out” and all that... that’s asking for trouble. I’m not saying we should be ruthlessly beaten or anything, but no threat of violence is no threat at all. If there’s no threat, there’s no order, with people as uncontrollable as children are. I think ass-whuppings have stopped at home, first problem, and then the teachers just have nothing to fall back on.
It one of the easiest jobs in the world with the least amount of work and very high paying in many areas.
You literally cannot get fire even if you do something wrong all they would do is put you in teacher jail. Where you just sit in a Room and do nothing but still get paid the same. They get massive amounts of pay when you factor in their benefits like their pension and health care. The teacher Union is massively corrupt.
If we want to improve our school system we need to get rid of the teachers Union and the Department of Education and pretty much close down all public schools and go to a Voucher system.
Teachers love to lie and act like they're underpaid so you have to look at public records here transparent California that show public records for her public employees pay and pensions. There's signs like this for many States that you can get the info for and putting us all of them so how corrupt public employees are and how they are highly paid not underpaid.
transparentcalifornia.com/.../?q=Teacher
Are you A teacher? Doesn't align with my experience. They seem to be very well paid and they agree, but some of the problems inside are difficult for anyone to deal with. I like concept of close it all down... e. g. get govt out of it!
No I just use facts and logic from public records. What experience teachers telling you how horrible it is so you need to vote for more money for them. Teaching is not even a full time job. They literally get every holiday off massive amount of time off in the summer and Winter. They don't even work full 8 hour days. When you factor in there once and prep class time. Teachers work like 5 hours A-day 5 days a week not even the whole year and they still get paid massive amounts of money as I proven with public records.
the ones I know always had after school work, planning and prep. Maybe some don't. It isn't as much as I put into IT in time, but I could not deal with the crap they put up with. They are paid very well... I agree with that. I know multiple retired teachers...
thanks for the ideas and input.
just got to site... dang... they make a lot of $. not like that in other areas, CA is nuts!!
People in other jobs as you pointed out with your IT work put up would far more madden being someone who's job is a 100% customer service you're putting up with angry people who maybe trying to scam the place work for all day every day.
And if you fall for the scam you get fired after maybe 1 or 2 strikes a teacher literally can not do their job and just be set to teacher jail and still get paid.
The fact is teaching is one of the easiest jobs in America with 1 of the highest pays at least amount of work teachers lie to get people to vote for more money to the schools to get higher pensions.
Most of what I've seen them complain for is additional support... that may be a factor of too much pay and can't pay to have others in the room. The pay is a factor in that it stretches the class size too large... then they complain the class size is too large. It's a valid point, there must be a fair balance.
So literally every job someone will say that you ask someone should I hire someone to make it so you do less work you're doing now but the same pay you think anyone will say no? It literally is entitle people crying for less work
I hear ya, true for me too. But the balance is off...32 kids to 1 teacher, some portion undisciplined, no parents, etc.. they can't manage it. The 1+ unruely kids disrupts a whole class. Kids have to succeed in spite of the system.
It's the massive amounts of illegal immigration ans social programs.
They say its 1 in 8 are kids of illegal So we probly have something like 30 or 40% of students should not actually be there if it wasn't for illegal immigration. Then social programs allow useless people who actually don't care about their kids and just see them as ATM's to reproduce our control the kids who are most likely to be disrupted this is why low income schools are pretty much just all destructive poor kids.
laschoolreport.com/.../
I think CA may be many times worse than most, but I hear of similar types issue in NYC. families drop off children in USA to be educated... might be legal, but adds problems.
Yes California is probly among the worse I just used to live In California so I'm familiar with the numbers but this is a problem all over on some level
www.lacoe.edu/.../8-2019-20%20LACEA%20TEACHERS.pdf
www.broward.k12.fl.us/.../..._salary_schedule.html
Teacher salary pay scales are public records.
LA / Calif. and a few other states has higher pay scales. Most other states get pay much less.
Yes I post a public records as well but the one you post are leaving out their pensions so double that. Teachers get paid more in retirement than they get paid working in many cases thanks to how corrupt public sector pensions are
I’d suggest that the school administrators, parents and unions make working in public schools a drag.
I personally think that both parents and children should be held to a higher standard of conduct and performance and that we should stratify the schools based on performance and results.
I think doing so would allow teachers to focus to focus more on teaching and give a wider range of options for them as to the type of school and subjects they’d like to teach.
There have ave been a few studies that show teachers in private school receive par or less than the same class at and benefits as public schools but they show a higher degree of satisfaction and longer tenures.
I’ve heard cursive has gone extinct. Such a shame... Such an elegant, convenient form of hand-writing that this generation won’t have the pleasure of experiencing...
I always find I have to add more effort to my movements when printing. So demanding, I must say...
they can learn it on their own, but it's not taught. you are doing well for 104 if you can use GAG... keep up the red wine, appears to be working...:)
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The main problem here in California is discipline. They are trying to make it so students can't be disciplined at all. They even eliminated suspensions because they don't get money if a students is suspended (not in school that day).
They try too much to cater to parents' demands. Many parents think their child is perfect and if anything goes wrong it is always someone else's fault and changes need to be made. They blame the teacher even when it is their own child that is disruptive, disrespectful, bullying, stealing (often taught to steal by the parents), etc.
Parents suck at parenting. Their solution is to just give their kid a smart phone and then ignore them. Parents constantly cuss at home in front of their kids and then wonder why their kids behave the same way at school. Parents get drunk or do drugs and then wonder why their kids do the same things. Some parents are just plain stupid and they very much are the problem.
They also need to eliminate the participation trophy mindset. You should get what you earn, not get a free hand out for something you didn't earn and get the same as someone that did much better.
In australia
School disipline is an issue especialy in religious schools i went to one for a year and a kid smacked another kids head 3times on the concrete as hard as he could he got 1day of suspension he had a concussion and some stitchs.
Teachers are underpaid we have had many strikes but it got to the point were they worked for free for the strike because kids still need school.
If there is a fight and somebody fights back they get detention a mate of mine was on strike 3 and straight up took a beating from a kid half his size to stop a suspension he still got detention all day even though he didn't even push him.
this crap doesn't happen in Japanese, Korean, Jewish cultures that teach values. it's a problem of discipline and training in herent in our societies.. the breakdown of family and morals/values... rooted in relgion or some foundation. A bunch of people won't even "pledge allegiance" to our flag now. it's a social mess... I actually suspect some of this was infiltration from countries that sought to destabilize us, or internally generated to contain population growth.
As a teacher it's very hard to be a good one. You become complacent quickly. Kids don't know how to ask about what they don't understand and often struggle. Not understanding your explanations when you try to explain them.
Some kids learn in a direct way. Some need to know the why's. Some just memorise the functions and don't need to know why they are the way they are. For others this drives them mad.
It's tough because it can be quite draining mentally, especially as an introvert. You have to be focussed on the little details in kids if you really want to teach them well. But these bursts of focus are really tiring. Is a kid not paying attention because they don't want to work? Are they bored and ahead of class? Or do they not understand it and have they given up? It's a hard call to make.
Who wants to be a school teacher during the Fall of Rome?
Nothing really matters anymore, and students and teachers both know it. The world is falling apart and it will continue to fall apart until it collapses entirely and it doesn't matter what grade you get on the Vocabulary test, the "A" students are going to be scavenging the wasteland right next to the "C" students and the "F" students.
If anything, the "F" students will have the unfair advantage in the new economy.
I know some people that were teachers. They all quit because they said it was too much stress and the hours were insane. They might technically be on the clock for 7 hours a day but were putting in 10 to twelve hrs plus unpaid weekends of taking work home with them. One guy told me that what he does not work during the summer he works during the school year. Teaching has a very , very high turn over rate - so I think that says something about the job.
from what I see, I agree. The other part is the stress the school system puts on them with their policies and/or managing teachers out to keep cheaper teachers coming in.
We need to get the government out of education. Most of the problems we have with our educational system can be traced back to that. I’m talking about disbanding the Department of Education, privatizing education, and making it easier to home school kids. If I were a teacher, I wouldn’t want my salary and working conditions to be determined by government bureaucrats who know nothing about what I do and the challenges I face on a daily basis.
I like the concept... libertarian in thinking. The pushback one would get to pull that off is that the difficult kids, the expensive ones, would be boxed out again like they were before, they were the throw aways.
The government did what they always do... protect every person and make it uniform. The effect of that was to have all the kids diminish at the expense of the 10%. the 10% turned into 30+%. that's my impression. There would have to be some recognition that some kids require more resources and they often don't have it.
The idea is to make education more personalized to the individual. That way, slower and special needs kids are less likely to be left behind. As you pointed out, the public system leaves plenty of kids behind, despite what Bush Jr. told us. We can do better.
Totally agree, thanks for sharing. I'm glad to see so much support for ripping the system apart and fixing it...
There are many factors. Such as a kid's age, usually older children are easier to teach. It's different when the child is too young.
Sometimes after spending time teaching kids you have a headache but it doesn't matter. Because it is a very rewarding job.
(I don't have any experience teaching in a school but I'm a private tutor)
Teachers should get high paid, there should be 25 students per class and also have many teachers who teach diffrent stuff, so that the teachers can splitt work.
Mentor as in homeroom teacher. @lightbulb27 it's a one hour a week addition to the classroom week. You don't do much in there.
teaching was too tough for me, it's a total mindfuck, kids I had no problem with, OTHER teachers and parents were the biggest issues for me,,,
It really is a vocation, currently work as TLA special needs, min wage but I love it,,,
I've heard that from others, more the kids were fine, the administration was pain. Glad you found something fulfilling.
Today's kids have no respect for teachers and if a teacher tries to deal with these bratty, won't listen kids they get fired. Plus the schools need to do more about bullying. I for one would hate to be in high school these days.
1. Ideally get all government out, but as that is not realistic in our current climate, get the federal government out.
2. Allow teachers the freedom to teach kids HOW to think rather than WHAT to think
You got it!!
My experience gleaned from Mrs is the administration in schools is generally rubbish, other teachers can be catty and unprofessional, free lesson time is often revoked (time when marking and other activities can be done), and support from upper management is patchy. She often had work to do at home in the evening. Stressful job. Then there's ofsted (in the UK), and continual governmental interference.
Then we get on to the kids... And their parents.
At least in the US, school is horribly inefficient and rarely prepares people for the real world. It needs major reform and teachers need a universal raise.
With infinite resources? We could just reduce class sizes. Sixteen is a reasonable number for elementary students without behavioral problems. For troubled children who have trouble in a regular classroom setting I have no idea but it's a small number.
We could feed all the children breakfast and lunch so no one goes hungry. Buildings could be well-maintained so classrooms are pleasant and attractive. You know, like they are in civilized nations.
Teachers either need to learn how to handle kids and get on with their job, or choose a different proffesion.
As I said, when teachers try and discipline unruly kids ( trying and handle them) they get sued by the parents or get fired because they dared stand up to the student bullies.
@Daniela1982 USA sue happy culture. It's lead to our demise... and why schools implement the policies they have... to avoid litigation.
It was hard, but I liked it.
1. I got no support from the management structure of the college I taught at.
2. I was required to do misc tasks without extra pay.
3. The college's idea of "complete" information on a topic was poor. I had to bring in outside resources (books, diagrams, etc. ) and I even made my own handouts.
With dysfunctional people come dysfunctional parents come dysfunctional children comes dysfunctional educational system.
as an educator all you can do is teach and take student abuse without any repercussions due to dysfunctional humans creating a terrible environment.
School never prepares you for real life. System itself should be changed.
Give people school choice and allow schools to throw out those that are disruptive.
It should not only be a choice but duty of every teacher to kick out the disruptive. I go to school to get an education and not to deal with other people's bullshit.
Really depends on what grades you teach and what locations you are in. Teacher in an elementary school or high school? Teacher in a high or low socioeconomic area? etc
There should only be 16 kids per classroom. Also, computers are faster than teachers now days
In the united states kids have no respect for teachers because their education system is shitty. They should learn from many European countries where the system works and kids respect teachers.
A camera in every classroom to protect the teacher and students against bullying and false accusations by parents.
Schools are bad because teachers are being forced to "teach" immoral values, and anti-American propaganda by the administrators of those schools. Student confusion and violence are THE RESULT.
The school system needs major changes.
Be back for this one...
It's tough but very rewarding when you sleep with your students.
blech! corruption of minors.
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