I watched Andrew Huberman get exposed for being a serial cheater and now some people are speculating that he may lose his sources income because his alleged infidelities will taint his work even though his content is helpful to some and has nothing to do with relationships and instead has to do with biology and neuroscience.
Should this be a thing? should people really lose their careers/ jobs all because they've been exposed for cheating?
He'll be fine. I read that New Yorker article and wow was it nothing but a hit piece. Even if I presume every single word of the article is true, what does it tell us? That he's a shitty boyfriend. That's pretty much it. Like literally IT. He wasn't even alleged to be abusive in any way. He cheated on his girlfriends.
Here's a newsflash: Chad Thundercock with a huge following and a metric fuckton of money likes to fuck multiple women. Someone fetch my fainting couch and my pearls so I can clutch them!
Dude could never work another day in his life and he's already set. People love his content so regardless of who his current sponsors are, others would like up to catch some of the attention that he brings in. He'll be FINE. If he loses a sponsor or two he should say "great! Better to have people on board who want to be on board. If not, get the fuck off!"
Also, I'm not defending his cheating. That was a dirtbag thing to do. Hopefully he learns from it and moves on. Either to just stating up front "Hi! I'm Chad Thundercock and would be happy to fuck you thoroughly for as long as you'd like, but I'm also going to be fucking other chicks. If you can deal, hop on board!" Or by deciding he wants a committed relationship and then just doing that. But either way--that dude will be FINE!
LOL! I'll bet it is! I'm not on Insta so can't see it but I'm sure it's a mess!
And yeah, the guy is sus from the perspective of being a good relationship partner. But that has little to no bearing on what he does professionally, so I can't see why anyone who isn't dating him should give a shit.
Yeah, he's a terrible relationship partner. But that has zero to do with his profession. Kinda like Michael Jackson was a pedo. That makes him among the worst human beings imaginable. But he can STILL be that AND be a great artist. Ulysses S. Grant was a drunk. But he can STILL be that and a great general. Etc., etc., etc.
All the cancel culture morons out there are just really, REALLY bad at being able to draw distinctions between things like "being good at a skill" and "being a decent human being. They aren't related at all. There are:
Good people who are completely useless;
Good people who are amazingly productive;
Shitty people who are completely useless; AND
Shitty people who are amazingly productive.
People exist in ALL FOUR of those quadrants.
This VERY basic logic is trampled everywhere these days. It's frankly maddening.
Honestly I do hear you but now that Iāve thought about it and read different perspectives I also do see the point made by other people who say there should be repercussions for immoral behaviour.
Cheating is horrible so if Andrew really did cheat and thatās why heās not addressing the allegations then he will face repercussions for his actions because heās fans have every right to feel however they wanna feel about him and stop supporting him because he himself is a public figure. He signed up for this š¤·āāļø
As for pedophillia itās only wrong if the pedophile harms the kids, if they are avoiding kids and not harming them or exploiting them sexually in any away at all then that person hasnāt done anything wrong I mean they did say itās a mental disorder.
Thatās like crucifying someone with psychopathy who has never even killed before or hurt a fly. But you really did raise some interesting points I must say.
Sure, sure. Of course they can. But how many people ACTUALLY behave this way? Do you change the channel when you hear Michael Jackson coming on? He was a freaking pedo! Do you HATE Bill Clinton with a passion and think he was the worst Pres in the history of time? He cheated on his wife repeatedly.
Bottom line is, of course everyone is FREE to conflate ALL of someone's faults with their actual work. But the thing is, it's absolutely RETARDED to do that. Why? Because people are flawed. If you plan to ONLY do business with those who are "cleaner than clean" and beyond reproach in EVERY area of their lives, you'll be able to work with precisely NO ONE. And if you hold that view and STILL work with people then you're a massive hypocrite. So it's best not to play that game at all.
Determine the task you need done and find the best person for that job.
Yup.
I've added you. Feel free to add back if you'd like to discuss further. I have a lot of thoughts! lol!
This happens all the time and has done since image , optics and public / professional opinion mattered. Even if is is not given or stated as the eventual or ultimate reason for a person to have to vacate their position it has likely factored heavily in the judgment. This is really obvious in the roles where how a person is perceived by their audience but also in areas where you really wouldnāt expect it. I. e an ordinary person in a relatively ordinary job becomes more visible because of an either gossip or rumour in a negative way which leads to attention being paid to them putting them under a spotlight. This pressure often places the individual at a disadvantage , causing them stress to the extent that they screw up and theyāre fired or that they leave because of being put under the microscope.
So to answer the question , yes it should be a thing in respect to areas of professional conduct as thatās always been there but image and optics ALWAYS matter. From CEOs and CTOās down to the average joe ( and Joanne ) as I wouldnāt want anyone to think itās gender specific !!
Funny because back then my boss fired me because he thought Im cheating with a married co worker and that I was having sex with him and that Im pregnant which is so wrong and defamation of my character. I know its wrong that he didn't even ask the truth he just fired me on the spot because of issues like that. Some of my cowokers reported it to him which is not true by the way. Im still waiting for the karma of all people who made gossips like that.
Nah, them being a trash partner has nothing to do with business but if they lie and cheat it could be a trust issue if they are working with money lol
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I'm always wondering around this, great that you asked it.
I voted with: No, they shouldn't lose their careers or jobs.
They should be held accountable for their mistakes in that particualr area, especially when not directly related to their job or work.
Precautions are then enforced as needed. Otherwise, why give scandal or people imperfection more attention than contribution?
We are all imperfect and we do mistakes. Generally people find thrill or fun or excitement knowing such news.
We shouldn't allow it. Be it just a bad wide spread individual nature, or someone benefiting from smearing others.
If for example it comes from a teacher, then the effect is direct and has to affect their job.
But if a worker or an engineer for example, then they are warned within work ethics.
When a male engineer for example is playing around a lot with girls, then we know it may come to affect work as it starts becoming personal, and if not we as males know how women can turn a man's mind, attention, and behavior upside down.
That's why they are given a warning and precautions are enforced.. if not behaved, then yes they may lose their position.
Are they allowed to do it again?
Depends on the person and situation.
Oh is he a social media influencer? That's different because he's a public figure. If the platform bans him (which I'm completely against), that's one thing. But if people choose to stop viewing his content, there's nothing you can do. That being said, I think it's sad that people have become so sensative and can no longer see the bigger picture. They only focus on the NEGATIVE and this is wrong. I know Sasha Baron Cohen was trolling but I agree with what he said to OJ, "You have one slip up, suddenly that's all they remember you for. You not OJ the TOUCHDOWN, you not OJ the MOVIE STAR. You kill two silly people and suddenly you are OJ the MURDERER"
But in terms of like an a real world career, absolutely not. Scumbags need to make a living to, and you'd figure they'd prefer to have these people working and contributing to society instead of scumbagging.
How much you wanna bet it's mostly women who are doing this to him?
American, I'm not surprised. Americans love ruining other people's lives, especially when the person is more successful then them. I feel people in most other places wouldn't be bothered by these accusations. The French definitely wouldn't. And like you said, this is nothing that relates to his career, so I don't see why he should be discredited and have his life ruined. Like he's the only one who has baggage. And I don't believe for a second that at least some of these women didn't know he was sleeping with other women. I mean, guy likes women, what can I say. I don't necessarily condone or encourage his behavior, but it's not the crime of the century. Americans overreact to everything.
I bet if a woman did this to a man, men, even the victims wouldn't be bothered as much. And you know men everywhere would be saying, "Damnit, I should have been one of them."
This is how men's a women's brains work differently
I definitely hear what you mean, I guess we have to stay tuned to see what's going to happen š¬ and you do have a point women cheat too but lately there's this sl*t shaming thing going on where man shame women who cheat or who have high body counts saying "she belongs to the streets" so may be if it was a woman she would still face some social repercussions for cheating especially nowadays... this topic is heavy stuff lol ššššš But I really do see your point.
How much of that stems from jealousy and insecurity? There was an Indian model on Instagram who was posing almost naked. Some Indian men were trying to lecture her about how she has no self respect and should cover up. I started replying to them, "Interesting, yet you're here looking and repeating the benefits." They went silent after thatš
I don't know if you've seen Borat, but there was a scene with some frat boys, and one of them was saying, "You fuck her then never call her again, 'cuz she doesn't have my respect."
The guy may have been a douchebag, but at least he was an honest douchebag. The same men who slutshame women, have no qualms about reaping the benefits of their sluttiness. At least many of the women who slutshame are prudes or have certain morals/self respect, so at least they aren't being hypocrites. But others I feel slutshame out of jealousy that they're not getting any.
I have a cousin in Poland who was shitting on Ukrainian women, because one stole her boyfriend. Like it's the Ukrainian girls fault that she was a better quality girl and her man wasn't loyal.
I honestly never knew how many married women cheat until I joined GAG. Their friends tell them it's normal, where as if their husband did that, he would be a labeled a douchebag. I've even seen some people put all the responsibility on the man for doing something with a married woman.
Everyone has their reasons, and personally, people's sex lives are the least of my concerns. People voted for Bill Clinton because of his policies, not who he was sleeping with.
You really raise some interesting points there šššš you know what humans are so complexed and Iāve learned to never put anything past anyone so may be it is insecurity and jealousy š© and you raised a good point there they call them sl*ts but subscribe to the only fans view their insta posts šš humanity though š©.
Exactly.
I read an article once that said the average human gets bored with their partner after 12 years
You ARE?
I thought from your posts that you might be married and even have kidsš
Really? You are, why? I mean, why are you gonna take that as a compliment? But you can answer as to why you're single too.
If they weren't with children or unstable adults and it was consensual, H**L NO !!!
@handsomelad70 it was consensual.
@KostasKouvalis Iām just laying off the dating industry a bit I think thatās why Iām single and I donāt think being single is a bad thing Iāve seen how fulfilling it can be for some people.
u trust, dignity, character, good judgement, empathy, caring, reliable, honorable... at the very least these would come into question when working directly with such person
and then I would think about it... if a person is able to willingly hurt the people they care the most, for example their spouse and children... what should I trust this person with, to what point
but it is never as simple as this, so it would depend on many other circumstances as well
working relationships are also relationships
That depends.
If you are in a job that requires public trust (military and first responders come to mind first), then yes. If you cannot be trusted with the person you are supposed to love, how can you be trusted not to steal, take bribes, sell secrets, etc?
The military's UCMJ actually punishes adultery. If you are married and cheat on your spouse, the military can incarcerate you, take your rank and pay, kick you out and all kinds of stuff.
Contrary to popular belief, those of us in law enforcement typically do not trust officers who are unfaithful in their relationships. Sure we will work with them anyways, but we will never depend on them.
Now, if you are some officer worker, warehouse worker, social media person, etc. then no.
Many people compartmentalize and use situational ethics where they would never shoplift but cheat on SO.. I think any sexually based infidelity is no predictor of unethical behavior elsewhere. Just my opinion.
Anyone who thinks this should happen should really think it through, because this would put 1/3 of all workers out of a job - and that includes many of YOU.
I think that there are circumstances where you should lose your job, but not your entire career. If you are dating a coworker, especially someone with power over your career, and you are both fired when that is exposed, you can both get similar jobs elsewhere.
Ridiculous concept , it has nothing to do with their business / job , and people should learn to mind their own business and get on with life , with this ludicrous ideal 3/4 of the world population would be constantly changing roles.
The entire concept of whit picket fence monogamy , is simply utter utter bullshit , and should be treated same , has nothing to do with employment / business.
No you should not, don't get me wrong I hate cheating and think it's horrible, but no one should lose their job for it unless it directly effects their job like a marriage counselor for example. Because then that they are being hypocritical in their job. If certain people decided they didn't want to work with that man that is a different story but their place of employment should not fire for that if it has no effect on their job.
Character is important. If you're not trustworthy in a marriage I won't trust you to run the country I live in.
If you consistently demonstrate your disrespect for the democratic vote by not condemning a state for trying to illegally remove your opponent from the ballot I won't vote for you.
Basically if you're more invested in having power than how you'd use that power to improve the lives of every citizen you're not of suitable moral character to run a bake sale.
I said no because if that happened very few people would keep their jobs.
Think about the possibilities, like VPs of companies hiring a girl to seduce the president just to take his position.
i don't think that peoples private life should at all mess with their professional life. except in situations where they are a child molester trying to work in a kindergarden, an alkoholic serving in a liquor store or a cleptomaniac as a shop keeper. things like that.
Iām not saying resignation should happen. But as a married man I had several women try and start a relationship with me at work. I rejected both. Both resigned.
The reasons are complex so I donāt think itās fair to immediately blame women without some background.
one woman had a low sense of confidence and esteem. She saw herself as worthless and expected men to use and abuse her. I was someone she felt safe and close to. We became close friends in addition to being peers. but things became very tense. I felt she had fallen in love. She knew it was wrong and tried to create some artificial distance but she didnāt want to lose me. This created a lot of confusion. I didnāt want to admit but I knew I was in love with her too. It was wrong so I told her it needed to stop. The result was very emotionally damaging. She could not see me at work without crying and she quit. Itās for this reason I feel friendship between a man and woman is impossible.
The other woman was married. She was openly dissatisfied with her marriage. I donāt think she necessarily wanted a divorce, but rather desired a little variety in her life. Compound this with me being in an upper level position, I think maybe she liked the idea of seducing a powerful man. I donāt know. She was very attractive. I didnāt comply. I told her to leave me alone and I wasnāt interested The embarrassment quickly saw her quit her job.
One's personal life and working life should always be separate. They weren't hired to be a good person, but a good worker 🤷āāļø
No because there is no way to confirm the claims aren't lies.
Otherwise i'd have said "it depends on the career, if you sleep around and your career has you risking the health of others as a result, then yes, you lose your job."
But thats mostly a remark on infection risk from products or services.
I voted No, however I feel a better poll third option would have been: case by case
Case by case basis.
(aka depends)
A maybe , etc etc etc
Yep it definitely depends! Like a Marriage Counselor for instance would be a good example
Yes people who survive in the limelight should take better care of their image.
Businesses have a right to not work with negative limelight. They DONT have the right to fire employees based on infedelities unless itās connected to their workplace.
Taking away a man's job is aking to killing him. If the punishment for the transgression is less than the death penalty then it shouldn't come close to loss of a job. Also, if you come for my job, you are coming for my life and I will defend myself to the fullest extent of the laws in Texas.
No, that wouldn't be right. What people do with their private lives isn't something that anyone they work for should be concerned about. It's none of their business.
The sort of neoliberal love-to-cancel mob wanted to go after him because they don't like him or the popularity of his views.
His sex life should have zero impact on him no matter what the 'tard mob wish.
I have no clue how the two even get considered together. I'm still puzzled why politicians sex scandals have any impact on their careers. It's baffling but in prude repressed myopic USA America it's the norm. 🤔
I think so. Maybe if more people would get into more serious trouble for cheating like losing their careers they would think twice before destroying a person or their family by doing something so damn selfish as cheating.
Your personal life and professional life should always be two different things and one should not interfere with the other. Unless you were messing with your co-workers.
In Biden's America you can lose your job for supporting his political opponent. It is all wrong. What people do in their private lives have nothing to do with their jobs.
If cheating is the only thing theyāve done, no. If they also were abusive or something then yes.
Of course not. Now you can stop watching or listening to that person due to his moral beliefs but shouldn't be automatically cancelled.
What does his sex life have to do with his career?
His personal life should have nothing to do with his career. They're two different things. Women need to just take the L instead of trying to sabotage a man's career.
Only if by being exposed as a cheater conflicts with their job... ie a preacher, like Greg Locke, who tells people it's wrong to get divorced gets divorced to marry his secretary, like Greg Locke did.
What does infidelity have anything to do with someoneās career or work interest. Or skill set.
ABSURDā¦
Trump cheated on all three of his wives.
Clinton cheated on his wife.
Has it hurt them?
Cheaters should get the death penalty or be an indentured servant to whoever they cheated on for the rest of their lives.
One does not have anything to do with the other, so no.
Noā¦but their personal reputations should be tarnished a bit
Yes I do think so. Not because of ther spouses but because it creates a bad work environment. People will always notice and not feel comfortable to work with such people
I donāt know about infidelities but restraining orders and previous arrests should.
No I don't think they should lose their career. That's a bit harsh but there should be some form of punishment yes
This only happens to men. Women who cheat are rarely accused and never lose jobs over it.
I think it depends on the nature of their work, there could be an argument that they should in perhaps a few circumstances however I do not think in most.
fire them. "you're fired"
Naaah.
There are some jobs where integrity should make them lose their jobs, such as a relationship guru or relationship coach for a TV channel or internet channel where they work for a company brand or show, but other than something like that... naaaah.
That is up to the employers and customers.
nope
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