Uh oh, it's a millennial posting this! What does he know about music ya might ask.
Relax there! I am lucky I know the Beatles, Queen, Pink Floyd, ACϟDC, Bob Marley, ELO, Boney M and some other musicians from the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. I've heard them too.
I do want to shift the attention to something in particular however.
We can first start with Hip Hop and Rap.
Back then it wasn't so "infected" with... what shall I call it? Tastelessness. At least not to the same degree. You'll see what I mean in a moment. I recall some of the Hip Hop and Rap being rather of an art than a show off.
Back in 1995 Tupac Shakur released his song Dear Mama
OK, this one is a rather tame example. There was at that time more untamed and dirty Hip Hop & Rap but without the tastelessness. Some call it "What real Hip Hop used to be". Wu-Tang Clan, DMX, Eazy-E, NWA and even Tupac - They're all part of it and the dirty Hip Hop & Rap and these outnumber those, that aren't dirty. The following is Wu Tang Clan’s Method Man "Bring The Pain" from 1994.
OK now what do I mean when I say tastelessness in music now?
That is when rappers show off superficial things in their music videos with money, cars, luxurious properties and half naked gold diggers and boast in their lyrics like they're the apex kill leader. This is 6ix9ine "Gooba" from 2020
That one seems to me more like that rich teenager in high school using more profanity than actual vocabulary in order to feel like an adult.
One more example from little pump and Kanye West "i love it" from 2018
Lyrics are mostly dirty. The clean version of it sounds like only the instrumental version of the song. That's one more example of tastelessness in music.
Fortunately for modern Hip Hop and Rap it's not all doomed with tastelessness. I found examples from Drake, Travis Scott, Juice WRLD and NEFFEX (especially good at it) not infecting at least some of their work with tastelessness.
OK, enough with Hip Hop and Rap. What about Pop?
I found the reverse effect in Pop music. Some are probably gonna hate me for it but one opinion I sort of subscribe to is "The reason our generation is so screwed up is because of the media and pop music (around 2009) glorifying nudity and weirdness like Lady Gaga and her style and the youth absorbs this degeneracy". Reading that it's hard not to chuckle.
This is Lady Gaga "Telephone" from 2010
I mean sure, there were some good artists here and there (Rihanna did OK in my opinion). But the real good stuff I found appeared around somewhere in the 2010-range and onwards. And they appeared in much larger scales compared to the pre-2010 times.
In the modern music era we have plenty of good pop songs now. This is Axwell Λ Ingrosso "More Than You Know" from 2017
We got now lots of catchy songs from Dua Lipa, Fifth Harmony, Kygo, Zedd, Zara Larsson, Chainsmokers & Coldplay and some others.
OK, now what about Jazz?
Surprisingly I found Jazz remained true to it's origin. I mean it's Jazz, it's not like there's going to be too many varieties to it since it's mostly relaxing saxophone and tunes and piano. I found the old Jazz to be as good as the modern Jazz.
This is Dave Brubeck "Take Five" originally released on 1959 but replayed and recorded using modern instruments.
And here we have Nocturnal Spirits "That Second Kiss" from 2018
Of course there are different flavors of Jazz but my point remains - Jazz remained the same.
Rock?
It's fate is similar to Jazz but with some evolution compared to when Queen, Pink Floyd and AC/DC released their songs. Also Sweet Home Alabama!
Now I'm not too big on to Rock but the notable modern times musicians I feel did great are Imagine Dragons, Fall Out Boy and many other musicians released pretty good singles.
Now...
This article is getting somewhat too big to write it all out. I'd like to also mention how Metal was then and is today and also the emergence of new music genres like never before: Electric Drum & Bass, Dubstep and Videogame soundtracks.
If you think about it it's pretty crazy how we went from tribal music with tribal instruments such as flutes, maracas and drums to electric guitars, pianos, saxophones and now we also heavily manipulate tunes using computers and software up to a point, where we can generate sounds, that are not even replayable on any musical instrument.
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913I can't say if music is generally worse or bad
Music production is better nowdays for sure but it is about individual taste, dont think you can generalize it with a few sinhs as examples
Me just like you vibe more with old music, hip hop from 90s and old jazz from the 50s
You don't like "more than you know"? Oh well.
yeah...
i am not sure what you imply
I did it both ways. Some people just happen to not like the modern examples, that I have provided.
Let's dial the Waybac machine to 1979...
You don't have rap as is today without this song...https://www.youtube.com/embed/rKTUAESacQM
Ohhh, that one is great! I actually heard that one in Tony Hawks Underground 2
The Western repetitive shit with extremely bad lyrics has managed to penetrate but this is land of Sufism and everybody knows about old stuff and somehow, they have evolved into Modern music with everything.
I would say everybody is different and have their own unique taste but I can give you examples and there is not a single vocalist of their caliber in entire West, I have tried to reason with my Vocal couch friend and he tried to justify it by pointing out relative significance of area for Music.
You guys kinda lack that soft touch in music and modern singers are not capable of even reaching those notes and I would say Ariana is someone that tries to do something new but She is Noob...
I would try to give you example with subtitles if you want it..
When I saw you included jazz I almost made a bee movie reference. But I wasn't sure anyone would get it. 😅
Thanks for stopping by 🤗
I agree that music was more about the instruments used to create them awesome sounds than now, where it's more digital and back then groups sounded more the same live as they did on the radio, then some groups these days can because like you said they "generate sounds, that are not even replayable on any musical instrument."
Oh, Ms. Triple B. There is no need to be too humble - millennial or boomer. But yeah. However i like quite a lot of the modern stuff, that can't be replayed with real instruments. Just not the type, that is basically just degeneracy, that is shown on the TV and overrated.
I like some of the newer stuff too, but when I'm really feeling like getting my music fix on, I pull out the "good stuff" lol the classics
How old are we talking about with the classics?
60's 70's 80's mostly-Jimi Hendricks was technically before my time seeing he died two years before I was born, He was a great musician.. And awesome guitarist 👍👍
I see. Oh well. Difficult.
Exactly. It's all about the (with Kanye West's voice from Gold digger) moneyyy monayyy moneeeyyy!
Oh well.
It's all good though to each their own. I'm like the guy in my little icon. Bakugo. If does not pertain to me getting better, it is not my business. I love music. But money is not a good incentive to create it. Love, heart, soul, fun, excitement... hell even Billie eilish creates from the heart. I can respect that. But it's not my cup of tea. But when money is your reason and getting rich is the plan? I'm not interested in your creations. Cause there is no heart in what you have made. But again. It's my opinion and preference. I'm not wrong but I'm not right either. That's just how I feel.
I can relate to that.
But I mean, I like stuff that is very old but also like very modern things, for example...https://www.youtube.com/embed/0x4U1NiJ7PIhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/GN6SI1-SuPkhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/Bh0QZvHdSKoI like these a lot but I also like things made in the 2000's such as Milky Chance- Stolen Dancehttps://www.youtube.com/embed/iX-QaNzd-0Y
Wow. This old music sounds like those from Bioshock 2 and Bioshock Infinite. Nostalgia, although not exactly my preference.
But yes, glad to see, that you can relate to it as well. Some music evolved greatly, others are basically an insult to the music genre.
I don't blame you, that you couldn't finish watching GOOBA. I couldn't look at it either when I saw it the first time. Their songs are the reason people say hip hop and rap are trash. They've never heard of NEFFEX.
https://youtu.be/jE60NVXscis
Oh my god I LOVED the Bioshock game, the design of the characters and ability to splice your own ability instead of a fixed capability made a more individual character style! I was up and down on the choice of playing the role of Big Daddy because the weapon is very limited to just a rivet gun and drill...
But I do love how the aesthetics of the place do have a old style to it, everything looks really old fashioned and they put a lot of effort in to showing that on the surroundings alone, you then get characters with a steampunk kind of aesthetic which is pretty cool XD
Can't fault Bioshock in my opinion.
Yeah, some really did evolve to make more of an insult, I guess people are trying less with their content and relying on other things in their videos to cover up the fact they are not trying?
Yeah it was just the most disturbing and gross video I have seen in a long time and he is probably one of the worst singers I have heard in a long time...
I loved that NEFFEX video! that is proper music right there, wish singers used that kind of talent more, a actual story instead of just constant cursing...
Hell yeah. Tell me all about it. Even the artists themselves saw this creeping in to the music industry back in 2011 "Jessie J - Price Tag" says it all.
Kanye West & little Pump ft. Adele Givens - I Love It
Published Sep 7, 2018
583,406,946 views
6IX9INE- GOOBA
Published May 8, 2020
689,501,427 views
NEFFEX - Sometimes
Premiered Aug 21, 2020
3,340,147 views
average 600 million views on trash VS 3 million views on the good stuff.
Let's simplify and create a good-stuff-to-trash ratio: 3/600 = 0.005
It looks to me like less than 1% (or one half of 1%) of people know what proper music is. That means one half of 1% of people listen to actual good music and the rest 99.95% listen to tasteless crap.
Such unfortunate times, we have the chances to make good music come back and yet we still have a lot of media glorifying the types that don't show talent rather than the skilled ones...
Examples being like with singer that are really good but just hardly heard of and then the really popular singers who are bad but cover videos with rubbish content... such as with Chord Overstreet Hold on which was a very meaningful song, emotional and captivating, described as intended to describe the feelings of a breakup but the amount of pain and lyrics in his song could even suggest the pain of a recently deceased person that you were close with. The fact it lets you choose between these two and has a melody that is easy to listen to but tells a whole story makes this a good song.
https://youtu.be/1r79eaANM_o
Whereas... Rebecca Black Friday is probably just a very simple example of someone not having good lyrics and trying to use a video to make it seem acceptable, her song even was in a list of most annoying songs...
https://youtu.be/kfVsfOSbJY0
At least Rebecca Black tried and didn't show off with money, bitches, profanity and nonsense lyrics, I hand it to her.
true, I give her that credit but her lyrics have absolute limitations and is just a tiny cycle and it holds no real meaning either. The song doesn't hold any meaning, the only thing going for it really is that she had people who liked her.
But I can thank the fact she wasn't using excessive things to cover up lack of talent, I just wanted to point out a bad use of lyrics and how the video did try to also somewhat mask it but not with the extreme stuff we see today.
Oh yeah! I can see that too.
Seriously, though, this is awesome. You have good taste in music!
Cheers!
Nice! You are welcome! 🤗
Good to know. So that's why lyrical trash thrives and the good stuff is buried.
Pretty much, I’m a techno and house music DJ for over 20 years and that whole edm stadium music Corp saw dollar signs they now of anyone young hears I do electronic music they all assume it’s brostep dubstep bs or cheesy electro steady stadium stash. Asking when is the stop coming and I’m like it’s never coming and it never will. Sit back amd see why this music was built for the clubs, after hours, warehouses not for stadiums and convert where they don’t even dance they jump and have mosh pits. Like mosh pits aren’t supposed to go down at electric dance music event
there's tons of great metal coming out every year. Tooooons. there's too much damn metal lol. Can't listen to it all.
But I get your point.
could have been names Mainstream media from before vs Worthless trendy "music" of today
Robert...
Robert...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pafJHx-o21k
I dont like it at all. But that's how I see it. The mumble rappers and all that. They are obviously lacking talent and skill and intelligence in many ways. But they hit that button people like and they know how to do it.
But nothing will replace jazz, or rock, or classical, as a musical art form. Those artists who performed every single note LIVE are the true musicians. Most of the stuff today is performed by "electricians", not musicians !! The groups and artists my parents saw are the likes of those we will never see again - ever.