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4 Reasons You Should Never Hit Your Children, NO MATTER WHAT! (Page 3)
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My mother says that the scolding of her father (he never hit her or her brother) was way worse than the punishments of my grandma. Honestly I think it shouldn't be screamed at kids and parents shouldn't let their anger control them, but one spank on the butt now and then wouldn't be a problem.
Agree 100%
I would raise my voice, but never raise my hand.
Beating is wrong.
Spanking is discipline.
There is a fine line between spanking and discipline.
I would use spanking as a last resort, however I was spanked as a child and I came out fine.
The only one I will agree with is number 2. Sometimes kids need a firm hand against their backside.
The same was said about wives until recent history... No one needs to be hit except maybe adults who feel the need to hit.
@wolfcat87 when you have some bad ass kids you’ll understand that a time out won’t work.
If you think it is ok to spank or hit a child, Say that again but replace "child" with "wife" and you'll see how hypocritical you are.
That statement makes zero sense.
Am I the legal guardian and teacher of my wife? I think not, sir!
@Jon_25 grrr being a gardian doesn't mean you own the child you know! it means you LOOK AFTER the child and CARE for the child, while the wife thing is a little different, i still think its a good point, because say if not your wife, when your little sister is being bad, is it ok to hit her?
Actually you do own your child. That's why you have authority over them. You don't have authority over someone else's child, and you don't have authority over your sister. Your wife literally MADE the kid, so obviously she has authority over them as well. You don't have authority over your wife. Also, even though you have authority over your employees and students (if you teach or are a boss) you aren't their legal guardian or responsible for their upbringing.
YOU are in charge of making sure that your child is happy, healthy, and a decent human being. It's your job to raise them in the way that best prepares them to face life and live well. If that involves a few sit down and spank them a few times then it's for their own good. They need to know about consequences. You're wife, well, she's already been raised, and it is not your place to try and raise her any further. Period.
@Jon_25 How does hitting your kid prepare for a NORMAL adult life? Are you preparing them for people to hit them for the majority of their lives? So unrealistic to justify using a kid as a beating bag. No wonder partner abuse and violence are so prevalent in the U. S. Discipline is necessary, but hitting is abuse and not discipline. Discipline is necessary, but hitting is abuse and not discipline.
@wolfcat87 I'm going to try not to be to fucking honest with you here because you obviously won't be able to take it in properly all at once.
My response to your question "how does hitting your kid prepare them for a NORMAL adult life?" : It doesn't. That is not what I am trying to say. You obviously didn't understand what I was saying before because I believe I have already addressed the fact that "spanking" and "hitting" are NOT synonyms. They do not mean the same thing. I can't stress that enough. I NEVER believe it's okay to hit a child for any reason, and trust me I know what I'm talking about when I tell you there's a difference. Spanking is (or what I'm using it to mean is) a parent taking a child who has done something wrong, sitting down, and telling them that they are about to get spanked for doing 'what they have done' before bending them over his lap and slapping their rear end anywhere between one and twelve times (depending on the severity of their actions). That's it.
@wolfcat87 secondly, in response to your question "are you preparing them (your children) for people to hit them for the majority of their lives?" :
No. Of course not. The very reason spanking--not hitting-- is used is to keep the child from continuing to behave in the way that brought on the punishment originally. The point is to discourage bad behavior, not prepare them to be bullied. Spanking prepares the child to know how to behave and to be respectful to others. It prepares them to know there will be consequences for doing wrong, but they are old enough now (as adults) that they shouldn't need any more punishment from their parents, and they should never get punishment from others. Only consequences that everybody gets if they make bad decisions, and that should never come in the form of hitting, obviously.
@wolfcat87 "So unrealistic to justify using a kid as a beating bag." ...
ARE YOU A FUCKING MORON? WHAT THE FUCK MADE YOU EVEN THINK I WOULD EVER, EVER EVEN TRY TO JUSTIFY THIS FUCKING IDEA?
ARE YOU ATTEMPTING TO ARGUE WITH ME THAT SPANKING AND FUCKING PHYSICALLY BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF YOUR CHILD ARE THE SAME FUCKING THING? FUCK YOU IF YOU HONESTLY FUCKING BELIEVE THAT SHIT!!!
@wolfcat87 in response to your statement "No wonder partner abuse and violence are so prevalent in the U. S."
I have one problem here, and that's all: Explain to me how your PARENTS* SPANKING* you as a child as a form of discipline in order to keep you from misbehaving, will make you VIOLENTLY ABUSE* your ROMANTIC PARTNER* for no reason later in life.
Please, explain this to me. I just can't seem to make the connection between the two. (Refrain from replacing "spanking" with "hitting" again, if you would).
@wolfcat87 last response, to your statement "Discipline is necessary, but hitting is abuse and not discipline." :
You are correct. I will proceed as if you had put "spanking" in place of "hitting" here, because I think that's what you meant (correct me if I'm wrong). Otherwise this is irrelevant, as I was never advocating hitting your child.
Discipline is necessary, that is true. I have no argument there.
Spanking--not hitting-- is, however, NOT abuse. At the very least the kind that I am advocating isn't. You will have to be very convincing to get me to believe that a few firm swats is somehow in the same category as whipping the child in a blind rage and without rhyme or reason until they are badly bruised or bleeding. That just isn't the same thing no matter how you spin it. Maintained and purely disciplinary spanking is perfectly acceptable discipline, not abuse. Try and prove me-- and all previous generations-- wrong. I dare you.
@Jon_25
Spank - slap with one's open hand or a flat object, especially on the buttocks as a punishment.
"she was spanked for spilling ink on the carpet"
synonyms: smack, slap, hit, cuff; etc.
Note that in the dictionary hitting is indeed a synonym.
Hitting means to strike. How do you spank a child without striking them in any way? The answers is you do not. Spanking it indeed hitting a helpless small human.
If a random man comes up to you and smacks your bottom for something you've done wrong, will you call it justified and accept that they are teaching you about the real world and trying to curb your bad behavior? No. Would you like a police officer to pull you out of your car at your next traffic stop, explain what you have done wrong, put you over their leg, and proceed to spank you? Why not? Doesn't it curb your bad behavior?
If you object, why do you object to the exact same logic you just used for teaching a child? If it won't work on you, then it won't do much for them.
Abuse-
1. use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose; misuse.
exploit, take advantage of
make excessive and habitual use of
2. treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly.
Spanking by definition is hitting. Hitting is by definition violence. It is cruel to cause fear in young children when it's proven to be unnecessary. You're arguing semantics, and they are against you.
If you can get a horse to move with kindness, then would you approve of beating it instead? If someone could get you to improve in life without violence or hitting, would you vote to be hit instead? No.
@wolfcat87 We don't need you to give us English lessons on simple vocabulary. Oh wait, you're still learning. My bad.
@wolfcat87 wow that was really entertaining to read. Anyways...
For one, I already defined what I was using spanking to mean earlier, didn't i? Yes I think so, it was something like "when a parent slaps their child's rear as punishment for doing something wrong". Maybe that was in another comment, I don't remember, but still I'm pretty sure this was already stated. By regular definition spanking may be synonymous with hitting, and ya you got me on that I didn't check the dictionary. Probably should have, my bad. So let me clarify that I was using spanking to mean this, not just the actual physical act. It has to be done properly in it's boundaries, or I don't think it's what I'm defending here. That's why it wouldn't mean the same thing as hitting, because anyone can hit anyone, and it's as hard as you can usually, and in anger. I don't want any child to be hit, but I'm fine with them being disciplined by their parents via "hitting" with the open hand on the rear a few times: spanking.
@wolfcat87 okay... Okay, okay you got me. I'm not okay with being spanked by random people, or even by people in authority over me, for any reason. But somehow, I still say that this is an appropriate method to teach children. Why? Two reasons:
1: I am an adult. I am in charge of myself, and I'm responsible for myself, and I take care of myself, and I change my own shitty diapers. I have already grown past the stage of being taught. That method especially is not going to work anymore, because I am all grown up and my own authority.
2: They aren't my dad. I'm pretty sure I said already that spanking is to be strictly between parent and child, nothing more. See, because even if I wasn't all grown up and done learning life lessons like that, they wouldn't have the authority to spank me. Same reason they don't have the authority to keep me: they aren't my parent. They don't own me, are not responsible for me or my upbringing, and definitely aren't in charge of my disciplinary situation.
@Jon_25 No one is ever too old to be taught. If adults were old enough to control their selves, we would not need police to be the authority over adults who are not good at being their own authority.
@wolfcat87 in your own definitions you have eliminated the spanking I'm advocating as abusive.
You said abuse is "to use (something) to bad effect or for a bad purpose"
But that actually eliminates spanking as abusive!
Spanking should never be used to bad purpose, because you aren't trying to harm the child you are trying to teach them. It shouldn't be used to bad effect, because if you can see it is not working on your child you stop and try something else. Obviously spanking is not the only method of discipline. In your second definition you say it's "To treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence. Your problem here is that I'm not saying to treat the child with violence. You should never treat a child as though he or she should just automatically be spanked all the time. I'm saying PUNISH the child with spanking. It should be the exception. If spanking falls into the violent category thats okay, as long as it is minimal and used for PUNISHMENT only. Not general treatment.
@Jon_25 To a bad effect. If spankings decrease IQ compared to not spanking and increase the levels of subversion, fear, and mental illness...
@Jon_25 Again, if you can do the same job without any bad effects, then why stick to the route that is more likely to cause long term issues for a child?
@wolfcat87 I know this, what I meant was that I was done being taught as a child is taught, probably should've clarified that. If I throw a tantrum I don't need someone to spank me, I'll just get tazed, because thats what happens to adults who are supposed to be able to control themselves of they act like this around police, and if I start crying I don't need someone to blow my nose and pat me on the back either. There's still some learning to be done, but I'm not a little kid anymore. Im a grown ass man and I'll take grown ass punishment if I act up to that point. Kids just get spankings if they go that far. I think that's fair.
@wolfcat87 what the heck? There's no way spanking someone lowers their IQ score! Otherwise I'd be like a zero. Hey maybe you think I am, but do you really think that the people with high IQs were never spanked (Einstein for example)? "Subversion, fear and mental illness." Those are bad things. GIVE ME A FUCKING SOURCE IF YOU WANT ANY OF THIS BULLSHIT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!!! No, when spanking is used correctly it DOES NOT CAUSE THESE THINGS ANY MORE THAN OTHER FORMS OF DISCIPLINE!! GIVE ME A FUCKING REASON TO BELIEVE YOU didn't JUST MAKE THAT SHIT UP!!!
@wolfcat87 spanking does NOT cause long term issues for the child. No, it's not the only form of punishment you use, and ideally you wouldn't have to use it all, but it is usually needed when the child is not listening well to other methods. It doesn't cause long term issues anyway though, so why does it make a difference except that it's like the for sure to work method compared to others? (which are completely fine but kids just sometimes don't listen).
@Jon_25 No, it would not lower your IQ to zero. It reduces curiosity. Curiosity is what provides an inner incentive to learn more. Children who are more curious explore and experiment with their environments more than those who are not. More exploration and experimentation leads to more knowledge and higher IQ. Your IQ would not go to zero, because you would still learn some things, but you'd lose that extra edge. Does that make sense?
@Jon_25 scholars.unh.edu/.../&httpsredir=1&article=1204&context=news
I've been linking various sources for a while now... It's hard to link decades worth of intensive education an hands on experience when I'm also getting ready for finals for my continuing education courses and sleep deprived from a concert last night, soccer pictures for a team I am coaching today, and taking care of my family. lol. I'm only investing the bare minimum into this, because everyone has these same sources at the tips of their finger tips. Search spankings lower IQ, spankings increase mental illness, etc. Studies are all put online now for scientists and professionals around the world to review.
ns.umich.edu/.../25218-childhood-spankings-can-lead-to-adult-mental-health-problems
www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/247333.php
@wolfcat87 it is believable that kids who were spanked abusively or excessively by their parents will have less incentive to act on their curiosity, but they still have it. I would not ever ask my parents about things growing up because I was scared of them, and yes that probably did effect how fast I learned some things. But again, if you just spank as a punishment for doing something wrong when other punishments haven't worked, it will not have that same effect. The smartest kid in our school was my older brother, who didn't really ever get the bad end of things around the house like most of the rest of us, but he was still spanked while he was little if he misbehaved enough (our dad had favorites). There's a difference here between spanking out of anger and out of calm, predetermined methods that are only used as a last resort. There's also the fact that he's just smarter, and would've been either way, but you're right about some unmanaged, anger-stimulated spankings in this regard.
@Jon_25 Some of the articles I linked cover this. It's not out of control spankings. they controlled for those types of spankings, and even the mild ones had detrimental effects.
I can look up more stuff if I need to, I was just wanting you to reference what you were referring to as evidence. I'm busy too and I get that you don't want to put in a ton of effort to argue with a total stranger about this. Thanks for engaging though.
Also I think there's a time difference, it's past midnight here and I'm gonna be out soon, sorry probably won't reply until morning..
@Jon_25 I only read your 'spanking does NOT cause long term issues for the child' bit but actually it does, it has been proven that being smacked, even in the way you talk about causes childs immune systems to be weaker, and makes them more prone to disease (like heart disease and strokes and stuff), and also mental ilness and substance abuse. they may not have all of these, or even appear to have any, but weather they have them now, they will still be more likely to get them i when theyre older
@wolfcat87 which ones did just the control spanks? I think I missed that..
I said in another comment what I meant by 'spanking' so please read the others, because this was building on those and it is a lot more solid as a follow up.
@Jon_25 You should learn the definition of "guardian ".
Okay, enlighten me. What do you think guardian means?
LEGAL guardian, of course.
Not in agreement... They will really be shocked when they encounter some cops...
haha what?
Cops don't have the restraints that parents due. If a kid who is used to mouthing off, having no sense of limits or decency, etc. may find themselves on the receiving end of the ass kicking they never received as kids.
ok maybe where you live cops are like that, but that is not acceptable, and plus if you raise them right, chances are they won't be going to jail anyways
Good take. I agree that it's usually not effective.
Thanks!
I think slapping your child on the hand when you repeatedly told them not to touch something is an appropriate consequence. Its a softer version of "dont touch the animal or you will get bit"
However, rough beatings on the butt with your fathers leather belt is not the way to go. Trust me, I grew up with that. So did my dad. We both have anger issues.
On the other hand, my aunt would NEVER slap their children when she told them not to touch things. She would just say "No touch" and not do anything else. They grew up to be spoiled little brats that don't listen to anybody.
There needs to be a middle ground here.
2016 showed the results of your style of parenting. Millions of adults crying over election results in public.
https://youtu.be/0ZcDdCLeUZ4As if right-wingers didn't go absolutely batshit when Obama was elected. Please.
@lumos granted a tiny minority did but there weren't hundreds of thousands marching and protesting. Like Obama protesters didn't violate people's human rights by blocking streets and roads.
What are you talking about dude. Stay on topic.
@Anon-ymous1 spank your kids unless you want a college cry baby.
Dude no one is going to take you seriously with dumb meme-posting, when otherwise they may actually listen to you if you have something to say. You're just limiting yourself. Stay on topic.
@lumos haha noooo shit! Oh but they NEVER treated Obama as poorly as the "leftists" are treating Trump 🙄🙄
Right... didn’t violate human rights... yeah no, just expressed what flaming racists they are.
https://m.imgur.com/J1hSHPi
No human rights violated at all!!!
@lumos is it racist to criticise Obama because he's only half white? I'd say it's far more racist to give him a pass due to Obama being only half white.
Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights asserts that:
•a citizen of a state in which that citizen is present has the liberty to travel, reside in, and/or work in any part of the state where one pleases within the limits of respect for the liberty and rights of others,
•and that a citizen also has the right to leave any country, including his or her own, and to return to his or her country at any time.
Just getting back to this after a while-- you're still an idiot man. The topic at hand had nothing at all to do with what you're talking about.
haha what does the election even have to do with this lol
Parents can spank their children on their butts as a way of discipline. If they didn't discipline their children enough, their children would become worse cuz they'd keep doing bad things as they're not really being taught by their parents well
Discipline is necessary, but hitting is abuse and not discipline.
It'll only piss them off more and make them agres sive when they get older
I totally agree. I got hit by my dad and had to go to the hospital. I still have no clue what he thought he would accomplish with that. It just made me angrier.
I have to disagree with what you everything wrote here. in my opinion a total lack of discipline is what is wrong with the world as we know it.
discipline is not necessarily spanking.
Guys seem to respond better to physical punishment than girls. I’ve often heard guys complain less about being spanked than girls.
@vyvyn an adult who thinks he needs to hurt a child physically to educate it has no notion of pedagogy.
As if human nature changed since the dawn of civilization. @_@
@jacquesvol : yep, hug the fuck out of them. Best to start early, though.
@jacquesvol You probably didn’t want to hit your kid because you were afraid he/she would not be able to focus on their studies because of emotional hindrances from being spanked. You’re just a selfish coward who lives only for his own interests especially from what I’ve read from your posts. You would rather derive status by being able to tell people you have a kid who has completed his/her PhD in order to gain status and to deter from facing the real responsibility of parenting and that is to ensure the emotional well being of the child is taken care of so they would be better prepared to face the emotionally complex adult world.
@vyvyn insults tell more about the person who uses them than about the person they're aimed at.
@jacquesvol The truth hurts because no one said life was easy. Good things never come easy.
@vyvyn Sorry, i didn't want to hurt you.
@jacquesvol It’s your truth, not mine, so no need to be sorry. I avoided all that stuff because I knew how imperfect people (parents) could be.
@vyvyn omg why are you so mean? no one can stop you doing what you want to ur own kid but you dont have be be so insulting to other people that choose different methods to raise their children, just because he doesn't do it your way, it doesn't mean he is a bad parent!
It is not an insult as was wrongly interpreted by @jacquevols as a means to get back at me for it appears he feels guilt from ruining his son’s life due to selfish desires over selfless concern. Welcome to the real world.
@vyvyn Do you have any idea how negative you sound? Because happy people dont sound like that, and it really sounds like you're just insecure about how youve raised your chlid and you're trying to defend you method by criticizing his. You are actually trying to insult him by calling him a selfish awful parent and you know it, but I hope he doesn't listen, and if you have children I hope you aren't so negative to them because theyl either become just as unhappy or they'l hate you, and I dont believe anyone wants that, especially you.
Wrong. Happy people see the truth. And the truth hurts most of the time because reality is imperfect.
@vyvyn I dont think so- happy people might see the truth but I think they see it posotively instead of negatively, and they know that there isn't always one answer, people have their own opinions and they dont feel the need to insult them for it, which you are doing, so I hope you will please stop and apologise because telling someone they are so selfish that they ruined their child's life is really mean and weather or not he is offended by it, it shouldn't of been said in the first place
Actually, you interpreted my statements as being negative rather than channeling what I’ve said into a perspective that views me as being self centred things needed to be done in ‘my’ way. Incorrect. They are methods that have been utilized and proven in dealing with children effectively. These days people are so afraid of being politically incorrect that rather than discipline out of love they do it for self interests. On the other extrem
e* is abuse, which is what this myTake is more indicative of.
“Shouldn’t have been said in the first place” is hiding from the truth. Living a life of lies doesn’t sound like a very happy way to be. If people choose to live that way they can go ahead and do as they please.
@vyvyn Omg your statements were obviously negative! ' ruining his son’s life due to selfish desires' This is not meant to help him, the only incentive for writing this is to make him feel bad and to insult him, when all he has done is take care of his children differently. and 'They are methods that have been utilized and proven in dealing with children effectively' - there are many different methods that work on too, and I will use those, because I believe they teach the morals I want them to learn, and discipline like smacking, hitting or beating has also been scientifically proven to weaken the immune system and makes them more prone to disease and mental illness so I believe the opposite to you, and that hitting them is actually selfish bc it gives parents short term relief of disciplining children but leaves them with problems for the rest of their lives, and no this is not an insult to you as I dont even know if you have children but I do totally with your opinion
The situation he created upon himself in which he later was barely able to deny. People like this don’t learn from their mistakes, and he has not done his son any favours by living a lie. The statement itself is not negative. It’s the situation he initiated that led to an undesirable outcome that is his life (and more regrettably that of his son) that is truly unfortunate.
@vyvyn what happened to his son?
@jacquesvol Can you 2 go argue someplace else.
@vyvyn How about you & jaque go discuss this on you own comments.
Discipline is necessary, but hitting is abuse and not discipline.
@wolfcat87 How about a link to some of these 170 studies you keep referring to.
In the US we’ve tried never spaning kids and for the most part the kids to grow up to be racist, entitled monsters.
did you stop spanking, or did you stop punishment all together? because there is a big difference
Pretty much stopped all punishmnet, true. The doctrine is that their self esteem would sufffer.
I don't know if I agree with "NO MATTER WHAT!", but I think these are all good points to be cognizant of before you resort to physical punishment.
I still remember those days my father used to hit me with a leather belt.
So do I hate my parents? no not at all.
At age of 19, he completely stops bothering me, as I'm old enough to choose my path.
I thank my parents for everything they did, they taught me being patience, Respect, my primary responsibility, independent, always being honest with myself as well as others.
Discipline is necessary, but hitting is abuse and not discipline. There is nothing that can be taught through hitting someone that cannot be taught through other means.
@wolfcat87 The simple fact that you've lied on other posts ultimately shows what you say lacks any legitimacy. You're not someone people should trust to comment on this issue.
@vyvyn Please, provide over 170 scientific studies showing that spanking is beneficial to counter the over 170 that say it's harmful, and only then can you begin to call me a liar. Until then, please refrain from ad hominem attacks in what should be a civil discourse.
@wolfcat87 This is hilarious. You're the one who says you have exactly 170 studies to back up what you're saying yet you think it's reasonable to ask someone for the same number of sources to counter what you have not yet proven. Where's the sense in that?
@vyvyn I am waiting for you to provide anything at all to back your incessant stalking of me, but you are happy to simply troll. Honestly, do you whine about every professional that disagrees with you? I'm glad we are a country away. Until you bring anything of value to the conversation be it years of education, a career, or anything at all, I am done feeding the troll. Have nice life.
@wolfcat87 it can be treated as an abuse in some countries. My parents never hit me without a reason.
People never rape without a reason. That does not mean it should happen. Children should not be hit. They should be taught properly and protected.
I was spanked growing up. It didn't teach me that it was okay to hit people smaller than me. But then again I'm not a complete idiot that I guess some of these kids are growing up to be.
Me too.
You clearly have esteem issues based on your comment and you think it's okay to call some people idiots.
@John_Doesnt There are in fact people on this planet that don't have the greatest intellect... I prefer not to bury my head in the sand just because it's an unpleasant truth.
Yes, it's you that doesn't have a great intellect. Also, getting spanked made your penis small.
@John_Doesnt Spanking made my penis small?
Quick someone call up the researchers at UCLA, we discovered the cause of micropenises. Good work @John_Doesnt you'll get a nobel for this one.
We ALL know your dick is small and it's because your parents spanked you into a low self esteem red pill MGTOW special ed guy.
@John_Doesnt What does MGTOW or red pill have to do with this? Also why is a dude closing in on 30 so obsessed with penis size?
I'm a Freudian psychologist and sexual behavior is strongly linked to childhood abuse. Your dick is small because you were abused as a child.
Why fight about different forms of discipline?
You both have different methods.
Why not agree to disagree?
@John_Doesnt It's sad how some people in this word try so hard to paint others and themselves as victims. I know I'm not a victim and I'm not going to sit around in self-pity for every little negative thing that's happened in my life. Learn to have grit endurance and perseverance. If you want to lay there claiming the world has been mean to you then fine. But don't force other people to be defeatists like you. Suffer in silence.
you're a huge victim of small dick syndrome.
@John_Doesnt You know what matters to you I'll give you that.
Disagree. There’s a difference between abusing a child and disciplining a child. These days, kids are entitled and lazy brats who think everything is okay and nothing they do has consequences. They need serious discipline
Discipline is necessary, but hitting is abuse and not discipline. There is nothing that can be taught through hitting someone that cannot be taught through other means.
170 scientific studies show a consensus that spankings of any type are always detrimental, and they are not a part of good parenting.
@wolfcat87 You can find studies that say the moon is made of cheese or that the earth is flat. The fact is, children today are total brats and entitled and that’s because of the people raising them.
I absolutely agree with that. You will not find 170 peer reviewed, consistent studies accepted around the world that say the moon is made of cheese.
Children do need discipline, respect, and work ethic. There are thousands of ways to teach those things without hitting a child.
@wolfcat87 Well, I hope somebody finds a way to get it done then. My generation sucks
@Anonymous Way to cave in.
anonymous guy, its true that many people act like ' entitled and lazy brats who think everything is okay and NOTHING THEY DO HAS CONSEQUENCES' - You said it yourself, they have had NO form of discipline, so it is impossible to jjudge based off of these people which form works, because neither types of discipline have been given tothem
@vyvyn what did you want me to do? Throw a fit and start cursing at her? I personally believe that sparking kids works and she believes that it doesn’t. What do you want me to do?
Honestly, I'm glad my dad hit me a couple times.
That's great that you enjoyed being hit, but no one should make that choice for others.
@wolfcat87 Then you shouldn't be posting as well to convince others to act otherwise.
@wolfcat87 Just look at kids nowadays with all these social rights, mean little shits with no respect for anything. No wonder the world is going to shit, in my country according to the state kids shouldn't do chores at home and they can even call the social.
I'm not saying people should abuse them and beat the shit out of them, tho a slap here or there won't hurt anyone. And he'll know why he got it.
Yes, children should be taught work ethic, respect, and self control. There are thousands of ways to teach these things without becoming violent with them.
@wolfcat87 Although your credibility is completely lost considering you've proven blatantly to be a liar in the other posts your sentences are choppy and your word usage is faulty. Violence is applicable only when there is an intent to cause harm to another. Spanking is an act unlike what third world degenerates are typically seen to impose on their offspring (as you've previously mentioned yourself that includes a significant proportion of blacks). Of course someone who is not born and raised locally would would find it much more difficult to automatically differentiate the two.
@vyvyn Spanking does not cause harm? Then why do children fear it? It is done with the intention of causing pain to deter a child. The key words there are intent to cause pain. That is the definition of violence.
Considering it's my field of expertise, your opinions do not remove my credibility. What is your education on child psychology and development? What do you do for a living? How many years have you raised children, and how many children have you helped develop into healthy, intelligent, and well behaved adults?
Did you just call black people in the U. S. 3rd world degenerates? Wow, that's an extremely racist statement... My stats were on the U. S. XD Your reading comprehension and vocabulary abilities are very lacking, hon. I have always been in the 98th percentile in my whole country (The United States) for both. I can guarantee mine are not lacking any more than my expertise on children. My typing skills may leave some things to be desired when I am sleep deprived though. Ha
Thanks @wolfcat87 ! haha I agree of course, I'm glad you agree!
@wolfcat87 I agree.
I'd disagree
Discipline is necessary, but hitting is abuse and not discipline. There is nothing that can be taught through hitting someone that cannot be taught through other means.
170 scientific studies show a consensus that spankings of any type are always detrimental, and they are not a part of good parenting.
@wolfcat87 You keep repeating "Discipline is necessary, but hitting is abuse and not discipline." on practically all the posts you've commented on. Not only does this make you look foolish because the sentence itself doesn't make literal sense at all, but it also shows you're not a credible source to be assessing this situation.
@vyvyn I'm an extremely credible source. The sentence makes perfect sens, so you are really grasping at straws.
I've worked with children for over 20 years at work in schools and daycares as well as at home. I've taken child care classes from middle school through college, because children, psychology, biology, and various topics that relate to the development of humans are my field of expertise. I'm highly respected as a child care provider in any capacity, and any expert who sees me working with children often defers to me. This includes education employees, doctors, and therapists. So, please educate yourself before you advocate hurting children and hurting their futures. Our children are everything. Our future is nothing without proper care of them.
@vyvyn I think you look more foolish, telling grown men and woman that the only way theyl have control over their children is by hurting them, which is completely untrue by the way
@myTake You seem to have problems with comprehending simple concepts to come up with such a conclusion.
@vyvyn you keep saying im wrong but you dont point out what I am wrong about, you just say make some 'mysterious' remark like you think it makes you sound wise or smarter or something
By saying that disagree, I never meant that it is the only solution. Yes I'm not against hitting children but to what degree? When you say hitting a kid or beating your child - obviously beating them black and blue is definitely child abuse, but a slap or a spank is justified WHEN NECESSARY.
Reasons: -
1. Parents (or elders) are more mature and can judge what is right or what is wrong better.
2. "It teaches you that it is right to hit people who are smaller than you"
CORRECTION - it should teach you to rectify your mistakes and not repeat them. In addition to that if you see someone else commit the same mistake you should warn them from doing so.
3. Hitting/Beating is for discipline and not for revenge or torture
You shouldn't beat your kid as and when you please. First advise them, if they don't listen and if needed rebuke them. If they still disobey then hitting us justified. But then again you need to consider when and where you're hitting your child. If you slap them in public or in presence of others ( friends, relatives, guests) - it's definitely gonna have a a negative impact on the children. Also make sure not to hit then wherever you please. For instance if you hit them on the head, it can lead to serious injury. Also if you slap your kid; then it isn't justified to slap so hard that your kid falls to the ground with one slap! That's not teaching discipline. That's child abuse.
When you hit a kid make sure not to physically torture them; sure hitting them will hurt them but don't do it to an extent that will scar them (physically or mentally)
As the kid grows older, parents should be more lenient with their scoldings. The kid is growing into a "mature" teenager and will soon become an adult. So they should be able to judge what's right or wrong for themselves. But still as a parent they do have their say. A teen may be doing drugs and might retaliate by saying that its their life they can do whatever they want - ABSOLUTELY NOT. You live with your parents, under their guidance, under their supervision; they provide you with your food, education and shelter - so as long as you're with them, YOU'RE INDEBTED to them. Be grateful that they do so without charging you. Nothing's free in this world except for family
I understand why you think your points but i disagree, because even though some parents can judge how hard to hit and stuff, often it feels relieveing because they are usually fustrated (even if they have thought it through) and the fustration is relieved, which makes them want to do it more often, so a lot of the time parents cannot judge even what their children can handle, and for the second point i disagree with your disagreement haha but i think we cannot agree on that
Well that's parenting done wrong. It has nothing to do with "never hit your children".
And #2 that's your point of you and mine. Everyone has different opinions. I respect yours but still disagree with you.
I agree teenagers need discipline and rules but not all families can do that
Yep agreed. But as I said, that's parenting done wrong; doesn't meaning raising your hand when needed is wrong