Partying, drinking, and doing drugs (basically I guess what they call a social life) is what they are talking about... And at the end of the day, that means absolutely nothing.. You're still in your youth.. I wouldn't say I'm Living it up at all.. I spent most of my 20s being lost, and not knowing where I was going..
We had all our kids before we turned 30. We were usually the youngest parents in town. The kids are all done with college and living on their own. We are still young enough to enjoy life on the other end. I have a cousin who is my age and his kids are still in grade school. He has at least another ten years to go.
Nah... Like anything else, there are going to be good and bad experiences that you will have missed out on. Most of my youthful experiences as a single, childless man haven't particularly been experiences that I see any benefit in conveying to someone.
No, they're not missing out on anything. They're most firtile in their early 20s, so it's the best time to have kids. You also have more energy to take care of them. Good for you for being a young mom!
Of your list college is the only one I think you could make a good case for. Drinking, partying and hoe'ing are not going to help you later on in your life but college does.
If that "missing out on your youth" means going out to party, get knocked up by tons of people, and doing other dumb shit, then I wouldn't say you're missing anything, really
Just realized you already mentioned that sorry lmao, but I agree with you
No, I most certainly did not. 25 years later, as proud as I am of him and his accomplishments, I would much, much rather be childless, as heartless as that may sound.
@Brittanyroseee I agree. Once they are there, though, the responsibility for them is there, like it or not. That responsibility, to my way of thinking, must be adhered to. To shrink from that responsibility would be shameful. It changed my life in ways that I did not desire. Was it my fault, entirely? Hardly entirely, but yes, to a great extent mine, namely trusting my wife and the methods she says she employed to prevent such an occurrence. I should have been sterilized. I ultimately have only myself to blame. I love my son. I also wish that he had never been born.
I don’t want kids for many reasons. I want to travel, spend money on myself, have a career, i love being able to do whatever i want whenever i want without being tied down to a huge responsibility. I literally would rather sit on my ass at home, watching movies than raising an infant. Having a child to me, sounds miserable. I want to have a career and make decent income to support myself. That is my goal in life. I don’t care much about kids.
It's fine if you don't want kids but having them doesn't hold someone back from doing anything you said. Parents still travel. Have careers, spend money on themselves. Kids don't make you stop living
It depends on the individual and how well they are financially stable.. don’t speak on other women. I know women with kids who have absolutely no free time and are stuck caring for the kid and are tight on money…
@letuswaltzforthedead ah! Seems like you are one of those women who bash other women for not wanting or liking kids! I went to school for REGISTERED VETERINARY TECHNICIAN. Finished February 2020, been in this field for 6 years and been saving up money the past 4 years.
You sounds like a very intelligent young woman and very put together. That is the reason behind my comment and I'm not bein sarcastic when I say that. I asked what were your career goals because I was genuinely curious to know if you had something more important going for you.
@letuswaltzforthedead yes i do, i have been career motivated since i was 17. Marriage and kids is not important to me. Being financially stable is, and if i choose to spend my free time chilling at my house watching movies and smoking pot, i can spend my time doing that
Well, I'm sorry you feel like that. If you genuinely feel like children would be such a drain on you emotionally and financially. I know this is a common lie women get told so I'm not even mad at you.
@letuswaltzforthedead im also being smart. I feel like for me to have a child, i would really need to have passion for kids. I don’t😂I don’t care much for them. I have no paternal instinct and i know this cuz my friends have babies and I don’t pay attention to their child ever
@letuswaltzforthedead girl.. its not a common lie.. there are tons of women out there who struggle with kids… its not for me.. I don’t want them🤷🏼♀️I don’t want that responsibility ever
@letuswaltzforthedead i also find babies gross. I never held one in my life. I don’t want to deal with kids. They are loud, obnoxious, messy, expensive, they are brats, they throw tantrums, etc. It’s not something i want to spend my life doing. That is my opinion!!!
I've read articles, you're basically repeating many of the same points. I'm not going to change your opinion nor am I trying to, I just wanted to understand your perspective better. You do you, but I would recommend you dont parrot the same points of those articles because they make you seem stupid when you're not. For example, you saying that you experience no maternal instinct and that kids would make you miserable, those are good reasons.
@letuswaltzforthedead I don’t need to change my perspective on something that won’t make me happy… i know I don’t have maternal instincts. I don’t like babies or kids girl. I don’t want to deal with them. Like i said, i have friends with kids, I don’t pay attention to their child
@letuswaltzforthedead you should just accept that not everyone loves babies like you… i prefer animals. I don’t even think babies or kids are cute. They peak absolutely no interest in me whatsoever. I find them unnecessary to have. Waste of money. Messy, obnoxious, expensive, time consuming. Its not for me, sorry!! Have a good day!!! Going to my fulltime career since i chose to work instead of being a mom
I'm not trying to change your perspective. Personally, I see women (and men) selfish for not having children because your choice affects humanity as a whole. Unless you're elon musk, Bill Gates, or some political elite, most people won't be remembered a while after they die. But the generation you create will outlive you, the kind of people being created today will out live you. Take that as you will, since those are going to be the people you will likely be surrounded by in your old age of 40,50, 60+.
@letuswaltzforthedead oh! One thing! Im also prochoice, i would have an abortion. And doing so, would not affect me at all negatively because I wouldn’t have emotional feelings towards the fetus… im just explaining how emotionless i am towards children🤷🏼♀️i know I don’t have a paternal instinct. I have hated babies since i was a child myself. Never liked them!!! You can think im heartless but it’s my opinion 🙃
@letuswaltzforthedead it is selfish to have kids when you don’t want or like them.. many people have kids and abandon them. Better to not have kids cuz i would end up giving birth to it and handing it over to the nurse to say “take it away!”
@letuswaltzforthedead people shouldn’t have children to take care of them when they are old. That is selfish my love. Thinking kids are here for us to pop out to then care for us when we are old. Nah, i would rather have professional doctors and nurses at a retirement home take care of me rather than my unappreciative child who will end up resenting me🤦🏼♀️
@letuswaltzforthedead girl, I don’t care if my choice affects humanity. I actually hate humans and we are already overpopulated as it is. Im not a breeder cow.
I agree that having no maternal instinct is a good reason why you shouldn't have kids, I already said that. You dont have to justify yourself to me. I am also pro choice, I dont understand why you brought that up.
@letuswaltzforthedead should i explain more reasons? They are too much work. Expensive. Huge responsibility. They take away your free time and privacy. Not all moms have the privilege of being able to do what they want with a child. Many women struggle with kids and im not putting myself through that. If my husband cheats or divorces me, the kid would end up being a burden on me. What if the kid comes out severely disabled? I ain't caring for a disabled kid that probably won't ever be independent. What if the kid ends up being a school shooter or a mass serial killer? Yeah no thank you!!!
Nah. I’m actually a little jealous of the people my age now who had kids in their 20s and their kids are nearly grown while I have toddlers. They have their freedom back like they didn’t miss a thing from their 20s.
Oh I disagree. I love the baby and toddler years! Kid years I don't care for. My oldest is 8 and I'm already hoping for the preteen years to hurry up and get here
Did you wanna do other things that you personally regret now, that you feel like you should have had the freedom to do?
If not and your content with how you're living now and being a fulltime mother. Then your fine. I mean who wants to be a retarded druggie party girl anyway. If you noticed most the people who engaged in that that were woman are now fat, ugly and dudes most likely left them or their marriage is dying.
Honestly I think back if I didn't have a kid at 16, I honestly would have been in prison or probably dead. That would have been such a great mind wasted to the streets. Having a kid slowed me up a lot & made me start to think of If i should hang with the "homies" or not & the fact that I needed build some sort of life for my child so when she's older she has at least more then I ever did & more regular options unlike the options I had.
I spent that time working incredibly long hours to set myself up for the ability to support a family… I didn’t really party to much after I moved out on my own at 17. I would’ve made babies earlier but I needed a good girl for that…
I do whatever the hell I want. It’s the freedom you sacrifice, I can book a vacation on zero planning, I can go to a concert without finding a babysitter, I can try out different jobs and move around without having to worry about providing for anyone but myself. There’s just so much out there to see and do, and once you commit to the family you’re pretty limited
Umm I also do all those things you listed just with my kids. I take my kids to concerts, on unplanned vacations. Also move often cuz my husband's job. Just cuz I have kids doesn't mean I'm gonna keep them home 24/7 lol
@savagewolf22 thank you and yes I don't think people really understand what freedom even means. I probably have more freedom then most people since I don't work so I can literally just pack up the car and go anywhere I want at anytime
Savagewolf22 my freedom is nobodys buisness!!! If i choose to use my days off to sit on my ass at home smoking pot and watching movies, so be it! That is more enjoyable than raising a messy loud child!
More power to ya if you can do it, but I don’t believe for a second that kids aren’t a major hurdle for doing that stuff. Can’t imagine bringing a toddler to Metallica, or dragging around the rugrats bumming around hostels in Europe or lounging on the beach in Mexico. And army if I remember right? That doesn’t really count, that’s the same job in different locations
My husband is army and yes same job but not exactly. When someone moves its usually cuz they resigned a contract for a different assignment so it's a completely different then what they were doing that their previous base (some people aren't into progressing their careers so they continue to do the same shit for years even at different bases but bad for long military careers) And really no it's not difficult to take my kids anywhere. We even somehow managed to travel during covid when most people complaining they couldn't leave their house
I'll say this for you. You had your first at 17, right? You'll be 40s when your kids are out of college... so you'll have maximum income generation and still be young enough to enjoy it.
@painusNdeeAnus I don’t want to experience being a mom. It’s not for me and not for everyone and just cuz im a woman doesn’t mean i need to have them! I would be unhappy!!!
@Brittanyroseee well I just hope you change your mind before you lose the option to nobody you know or ever will know is going to love you like your children will
@painusNdeeAnus it’s 2022. Women are not breeder cows. I will never have kids and if i fall pregnant i will have an abortion. Thats how much i do not want them!!!
@painusNdeeAnus by the way its not guaranteed your child will love you. Animals will. Humans are not innocent and always leave and fuck you over. There are many cases of evil child killers. There are cases of kids murdering their own parents!
@Brittanyroseee how do you know you’ll be miserable you’re robbing yourself of the experience? whatever you have that’s more important than unconditional love from a person you created I hope you never lose it I’m sorry that you’ve allowed the world make your heart so fragile and loathsome your way of thinking is a defense mechanism you need serious therapy I truly pity you life is empty and unfulfilled with no one to share it with
PainusNdeeAnus because I don’t like children? What do you not get? I have no interest in babies. Never have. I never even held one in my life! I have friends with babies and I literally pay attention to their dog or cat.. not the child. I don’t have a paternal instinct
@painusNdeeAnus there are many women who have kids and end up abandoning them. Its not for everyone. I want a career, i want to be financially stable and to travel, experience life without screaming kids.
@Brittanyroseee Not because you don’t want children but because you think a career , traveling and getting several new pets that you will outlive in your lifetime like I said you seriously need therapy Your thought process and how you choose to live is not normal or healthy for social creatures like us
@painusNdeeAnus your thoughts are not normal. I have my reasoning to not want kids i can list it 1. i have no paternal instinct 2. I just don’t like babies or young children 3. They are EXPENSIVE 4. They take away your freedom and privacy (yes, they do) 5. Most of the money you make, goes towards the kid 6. What if the child comes out severely disabled? Sorry but im not trying to be a caretaker for the rest of my life if the child can never be independent 7. The kid could grow up to be a narcissistic asshole, serial killer, or worse a school shooter 8. It is NOT guaranteed your child will love you like i said there are cases of kids murdering their own parents 9. I prefer animals🤷🏼♀️ 10. I don’t find infants or toddlers “cute” 11. Kids are a huge responsibility 12. Kids are loud, messy, gross, obnoxious, etc 13. Im not trying to be embarrassed at a grocery store while my kid is throwing a tantrum 14. I prefer having a fulltime career and being financially stable 15. There is more to life than having children 16. Children are not here to take care of us when we are old. If anything i would rather have professional doctors and nurses care for me at a retirement home vs my child who will end up resenting me for it. 17. I don’t feel like putting my body through pregnancy and giving birth 18. I will regret the child if my husband leaves me, the kid would end up becoming a huge regret 19. If my husband were to cheat or leave me, i would never move on since i would be stuck with his offspring whereas if im married with no kids and he leaves me, i can easily move on and never have contact again 20. My reasonings are valid and should not affect you at all🤷🏼♀️
@Brittanyroseee they aren’t valid at all children are pure knew life if they’ll most likely be exactly like you they are blank slates but I’ll shorten your list for you
@painusNdeeAnus no children are not pure. An 8 year old boy in india killed his cousin. I suggest you google that. Many cases of kids murdering people.
@painusNdeeAnus what do i need to be held accountable for? The fact i choose to not be a mother? Its 2022…. Why are you so pressed that I don’t want kids? I literally hate them. Why should i have them?
@painusNdeeAnus imagine judging someone for choosing a different lifestyle. It’s 2022, its not the midevil times… its not selfish bro. What is selfish is to have kids I don’t want and that I won’t love. Once again, many people are parents and are terrible at it. So stop encouraging that everyone has them!!!
@painusNdeeAnus im not a breeder cow. I will gladly have an abortion if i ever fall pregnant. That is how much i really do not want crotch demons. Stop being a judgmental piece of shit!!! Andrew Tate!!!
@Brittanyroseee you shouldn’t hate anyone Such a dull girl ( I’m using the term girl maliciously because a real woman would never behave in such a shameful way who raised you they need their ass kicked) you are.
@painusNdeeAnus I won’t stop fucking my boyfriend:) and i can just abort the thing! It’s like taking the trash out on a Thursday morning! Yes im prochoice and yes im a bitch and you are a mysoginist!
@painusNdeeAnus people can get pregnant on contraceptives. No way in hell im “dealing with the consequence” tell married couples who decided to not want kids, to stay abstinent from sex. Yes, child free married couples exist! My brother and sister in law HATE kids and instead have a bunch of pets!!!
@painusNdeeAnus its 2022. People have sex for pleasure these days. Tell married couples who chose to be child free, to be abstinent.. you seriously sound very arrogant and im done talking to you.
@Brittanyroseee they’re married they don’t have to be abstinent And you sound like a lazy mysogynist Who is against women who want to be feminine submissive barefoot and pregnant
Maybe if you lost a few pounds you’d feel better im sorry you’re so unhappy
@painusNdeeAnus doesn’t matter if im married or not. I live in a free country where i can fuck my boyfriend as much as i want. Im also in a state where abortion is LEGAL. Im sorry you are so damn miserable that you bash other women for simply choosing to not be a mom.
@painusNdeeAnus im extremely happy with my life! I have a fulltime career doing what i LOVE, i have 40k in my savings, im going to paris next month to see my best friend, i have great friends. I love my life! I don’t need kids to be happy. If anything you are the miserable one for being so judgmental about other people’s lifestyle choices.
@painusNdeeAnus im the opposite of “lazy” im extremely career motivated, money obsessed and a workaholic. You think im lazy because I don’t want to sacrifice my life, money, freedom, and career for crotch demons. I would literally have an abortion if i ever ended up pregnant. Why? Cuz i would not give a damn about the thing. There would be no emotional ties towards it. So why should i have kids? Again I don’t like them🤷🏼♀️ I can’t help what i like and don’t like. Im also not gonna stop fucking my boyfriend either sir.
@painusNdeeAnus to you, pets are inconvenient. That is fine! To me, kids are inconvenient! We have different views! I also hate human beings🤷🏼♀️so why would i birth any? Humans are cruel. They are not innocent. Animals are innocent and loyal. Im not trying to birth the next school shooter or the next Jeffrey Dhamers.
@painusNdeeAnus good bye andrew tate!!! Im done! Im being child free and “selfish” until i die because it’s my life and i can live my life how i want to!!!
@Brittanyroseee you’re still on about this? Happy people never have to say it😂 you do realize people have what you have and more with children I’ll be spending my birthday in Argentina with my family I’m sorry I triggered you so much
@painusNdeeAnus im triggered? I think YOU are triggered 😂 you are the one who keeps going on about it, im just responding to your piece of shit comments
@painusNdeeAnus yes I stalked your page to see what type of piece of shit you are and you are a confirmed rapist since you think you don’t need a girl to consent to sex
And by the way Apple1996 it’s not true for men male bodies make sperm and semen nonstop as long as we aren’t shooting blanks we can have children 9 times out of 10 when couples can’t conceive it’s because of the woman
It's actually 40% of the time infertility is caused by the man. y'all sperm count decreases every year after the age of about 22. And no shooting blanks isn't common but low sperm count is the problem.
doctors estimate that women lose up to a thousand additional follicles each month thanks to natural cell death If you're counting that's up to 1,021 eggs lost each month Even if you're pregnant, on birth control, or otherwise not ovulating
Women need to lose those eggs or else they will never go into menopause. It's a good thing. Same with men loosing their sperm count. We can't have a bunch of oldies having childern. That's not natural lol
You don’t seem to understand or at least refuse to acknowledge ( for some reason) that women get to a point when they lose all their eggs and can no longer reproduce as for men our sperm count just decreases it doesn’t go away our bodies still make tens of thousands of sperm at 51 while women have no eggs at 51
We aren't meant to live past 50-60 so it's useless to keep reproducing past that age. And honestly I'd never have a kid with a man past 30 cuz of autism risk. That's just me tho everyone else who can deal with those types of kids are free to have them when they are old
Older fathers produce more kids with autism. And still even without risk I don't want my kids having a old dad And no realistically that's how long we are suppose to live. Now a days we have medical and technology to lengthen that time but still not perfect. Most people only live until 70s
If a man is over 35 he has a 2-3x greater chance of having a autistic child. You can look into it more if you look up does fathers age increase chance of autism. And nah I have no problem with people with any issues but I'm not trying to purposely create a child like that has a increased chance at anything. That's just fucked up to choose that for your own kids
Because they can't. They have autistic kids or kids that have other issues. And nah I'm extremely educated on this. My in laws had a accidental baby at 39 and 45(vasectomy stopped working, they weren't just being irresponsible) but I took care of their son from ages 1 to 5 and had to constantly watch out of autism and adhd symptoms in him since that's what happens with having old parents. Also like I said me and my husband were raising him during those toddler years since my in laws were too old to care for him
Pcos/endo problems for women and low sperm counts for men. I have pcos but have the problem of being too fertile. It goes both ways can either ovulate to much or to little
Nope not low sperm count low sperm count men still have many children it’s sperm quality due to lifestyle or genetic sperm disorder that’s the issue it doesn’t go both ways
If men just had kids when they're suppose to they wouldn't want younger women. And this for sure ain't my husband cuz he's glad I'm getting older and in a few years we will be completely done having kids. I think guys who go after younger women are just behind in life
It bothers me cuz they're creating kids that have issues. I'm not fan of parents having kids past 30-35. Like I already said I dealt with this first hand having to raise a child that was born to older parents. In a world where that didn't happen then it wouldn't be a big deal
You are really uneducated about sperm count. It's gone down 50% just in the last 30-40 years regardless of age men are fucked due to environmental reasons
Everyone has issues that’s no reason to not have children
children born to older fathers are likely to have a higher I. Q. compared to those born to younger parents. Additionally, kids born to older parents exhibited a stronger focus in pursuing their interests and more self-confidence than those born to younger parents.
They're just trying to impose their 3rd wave feminist doomer pov. On you. You'll be young enough to actually enjoy your empty nest when the kids are a bit older.
Live your life the way you like, other people should take a hike.
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"Youthful" activities are all so dumb. It's ridiculous how much glory is put on them, to the point where people who don't do them are looked down on. I've done all those things and they're a total waste of time and energy. The most important thing you'd be missing out on is studying in college, but you can go later in life, and even then a lot of people consider THAT a waste of time.
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Partying, drinking, and doing drugs (basically I guess what they call a social life) is what they are talking about... And at the end of the day, that means absolutely nothing.. You're still in your youth.. I wouldn't say I'm Living it up at all.. I spent most of my 20s being lost, and not knowing where I was going..
We had all our kids before we turned 30. We were usually the youngest parents in town. The kids are all done with college and living on their own. We are still young enough to enjoy life on the other end. I have a cousin who is my age and his kids are still in grade school. He has at least another ten years to go.
Nah... Like anything else, there are going to be good and bad experiences that you will have missed out on. Most of my youthful experiences as a single, childless man haven't particularly been experiences that I see any benefit in conveying to someone.
No, they're not missing out on anything. They're most firtile in their early 20s, so it's the best time to have kids. You also have more energy to take care of them. Good for you for being a young mom!
Of your list college is the only one I think you could make a good case for. Drinking, partying and hoe'ing are not going to help you later on in your life but college does.
College would have been a waste for me
Well it is not for everyone - its good you realized that
If that "missing out on your youth" means going out to party, get knocked up by tons of people, and doing other dumb shit, then I wouldn't say you're missing anything, really
Just realized you already mentioned that sorry lmao, but I agree with you
To each their own.
I had a child at 39 years of age, too terrible, no matter what age I was.
I've seen young parents who relished in the role of young parenthood. I've also seen young parents overwhelmed by parenthood at such a young age.
Again, to each their own.
Exactly, its not for everyone and not everyone has to want them
@Brittanyroseee
Cheers to you!
Enjoy your life!
Let your children, should you have any, absorb your joie de vivre!
Did you not want a kid?
No, I most certainly did not. 25 years later, as proud as I am of him and his accomplishments, I would much, much rather be childless, as heartless as that may sound.
@nolabels there is nothing wrong with not wanting kids!
@Brittanyroseee
I agree. Once they are there, though, the responsibility for them is there, like it or not. That responsibility, to my way of thinking, must be adhered to. To shrink from that responsibility would be shameful. It changed my life in ways that I did not desire. Was it my fault, entirely? Hardly entirely, but yes, to a great extent mine, namely trusting my wife and the methods she says she employed to prevent such an occurrence. I should have been sterilized. I ultimately have only myself to blame.
I love my son. I also wish that he had never been born.
I don’t want kids for many reasons. I want to travel, spend money on myself, have a career, i love being able to do whatever i want whenever i want without being tied down to a huge responsibility. I literally would rather sit on my ass at home, watching movies than raising an infant. Having a child to me, sounds miserable. I want to have a career and make decent income to support myself. That is my goal in life. I don’t care much about kids.
It's fine if you don't want kids but having them doesn't hold someone back from doing anything you said. Parents still travel. Have careers, spend money on themselves. Kids don't make you stop living
Bless your heart, that sounds lovely. It's your life after all. What's your career goals this decade?
It depends on the individual and how well they are financially stable.. don’t speak on other women. I know women with kids who have absolutely no free time and are stuck caring for the kid and are tight on money…
@letuswaltzforthedead ah! Seems like you are one of those women who bash other women for not wanting or liking kids! I went to school for REGISTERED VETERINARY TECHNICIAN. Finished February 2020, been in this field for 6 years and been saving up money the past 4 years.
@letuswaltzforthedead not everyone has to have kids or like them. She spoke her opinion so i spoke mine.
@Apple1996 i would be miserable having a child. It is not something i want to do with my life.
You sounds like a very intelligent young woman and very put together. That is the reason behind my comment and I'm not bein sarcastic when I say that. I asked what were your career goals because I was genuinely curious to know if you had something more important going for you.
@letuswaltzforthedead yes i do, i have been career motivated since i was 17. Marriage and kids is not important to me. Being financially stable is, and if i choose to spend my free time chilling at my house watching movies and smoking pot, i can spend my time doing that
Well, I'm sorry you feel like that. If you genuinely feel like children would be such a drain on you emotionally and financially. I know this is a common lie women get told so I'm not even mad at you.
@letuswaltzforthedead im also being smart. I feel like for me to have a child, i would really need to have passion for kids. I don’t😂I don’t care much for them. I have no paternal instinct and i know this cuz my friends have babies and I don’t pay attention to their child ever
@letuswaltzforthedead girl.. its not a common lie.. there are tons of women out there who struggle with kids… its not for me.. I don’t want them🤷🏼♀️I don’t want that responsibility ever
@letuswaltzforthedead there are articles you should read about “why i chose to not have kids”
@letuswaltzforthedead i also find babies gross. I never held one in my life. I don’t want to deal with kids. They are loud, obnoxious, messy, expensive, they are brats, they throw tantrums, etc. It’s not something i want to spend my life doing. That is my opinion!!!
I've read articles, you're basically repeating many of the same points. I'm not going to change your opinion nor am I trying to, I just wanted to understand your perspective better. You do you, but I would recommend you dont parrot the same points of those articles because they make you seem stupid when you're not. For example, you saying that you experience no maternal instinct and that kids would make you miserable, those are good reasons.
@letuswaltzforthedead I don’t need to change my perspective on something that won’t make me happy… i know I don’t have maternal instincts. I don’t like babies or kids girl. I don’t want to deal with them. Like i said, i have friends with kids, I don’t pay attention to their child
@letuswaltzforthedead yes it would make me miserable. Why is it when a women says her opinion on kids, she is seen as selfish or heartless?
@letuswaltzforthedead you should just accept that not everyone loves babies like you… i prefer animals. I don’t even think babies or kids are cute. They peak absolutely no interest in me whatsoever. I find them unnecessary to have. Waste of money. Messy, obnoxious, expensive, time consuming. Its not for me, sorry!! Have a good day!!! Going to my fulltime career since i chose to work instead of being a mom
I'm not trying to change your perspective. Personally, I see women (and men) selfish for not having children because your choice affects humanity as a whole. Unless you're elon musk, Bill Gates, or some political elite, most people won't be remembered a while after they die. But the generation you create will outlive you, the kind of people being created today will out live you.
Take that as you will, since those are going to be the people you will likely be surrounded by in your old age of 40,50, 60+.
@letuswaltzforthedead oh! One thing! Im also prochoice, i would have an abortion. And doing so, would not affect me at all negatively because I wouldn’t have emotional feelings towards the fetus… im just explaining how emotionless i am towards children🤷🏼♀️i know I don’t have a paternal instinct. I have hated babies since i was a child myself. Never liked them!!! You can think im heartless but it’s my opinion 🙃
@letuswaltzforthedead it is selfish to have kids when you don’t want or like them.. many people have kids and abandon them. Better to not have kids cuz i would end up giving birth to it and handing it over to the nurse to say “take it away!”
@letuswaltzforthedead people shouldn’t have children to take care of them when they are old. That is selfish my love. Thinking kids are here for us to pop out to then care for us when we are old. Nah, i would rather have professional doctors and nurses at a retirement home take care of me rather than my unappreciative child who will end up resenting me🤦🏼♀️
@letuswaltzforthedead girl, I don’t care if my choice affects humanity. I actually hate humans and we are already overpopulated as it is. Im not a breeder cow.
I agree that having no maternal instinct is a good reason why you shouldn't have kids, I already said that. You dont have to justify yourself to me. I am also pro choice, I dont understand why you brought that up.
@letuswaltzforthedead should i explain more reasons? They are too much work. Expensive. Huge responsibility. They take away your free time and privacy. Not all moms have the privilege of being able to do what they want with a child. Many women struggle with kids and im not putting myself through that. If my husband cheats or divorces me, the kid would end up being a burden on me. What if the kid comes out severely disabled? I ain't caring for a disabled kid that probably won't ever be independent. What if the kid ends up being a school shooter or a mass serial killer? Yeah no thank you!!!
Nah. I’m actually a little jealous of the people my age now who had kids in their 20s and their kids are nearly grown while I have toddlers. They have their freedom back like they didn’t miss a thing from their 20s.
How old are your kiddos?
9, 6, 3 and 3.
Oh wow yeah they young. About the same age as mine
The 9 and 6 year old are fun but the 3-year olds are wild. They will be more fun in 1-2 years. 😃
Oh I disagree. I love the baby and toddler years! Kid years I don't care for. My oldest is 8 and I'm already hoping for the preteen years to hurry up and get here
Yeah, my wife likes the toddler age. It works well when one of us needs to watch two of them.
Depends
Did you wanna do other things that you personally regret now, that you feel like you should have had the freedom to do?
If not and your content with how you're living now and being a fulltime mother. Then your fine. I mean who wants to be a retarded druggie party girl anyway. If you noticed most the people who engaged in that that were woman are now fat, ugly and dudes most likely left them or their marriage is dying.
Honestly I think back if I didn't have a kid at 16, I honestly would have been in prison or probably dead. That would have been such a great mind wasted to the streets. Having a kid slowed me up a lot & made me start to think of If i should hang with the "homies" or not & the fact that I needed build some sort of life for my child so when she's older she has at least more then I ever did & more regular options unlike the options I had.
I spent that time working incredibly long hours to set myself up for the ability to support a family… I didn’t really party to much after I moved out on my own at 17. I would’ve made babies earlier but I needed a good girl for that…
Yes good girl is important when choosing a mom for your kids
Very!!! …
With a bad girl streak… 😏
It's a matter of priorities. If you find motherhood rewarding, then no you couldn't have possibly spent your twenties more joyously.
Most people secretly hate having kidss
My mom definitely wasted hers in having me
Awh I don't think most people hate having their kids 😕 sucks your mom felt that way
She loves to remind me it everyday
People have kids mostly for the society, but that's just how I feel
I do whatever the hell I want. It’s the freedom you sacrifice, I can book a vacation on zero planning, I can go to a concert without finding a babysitter, I can try out different jobs and move around without having to worry about providing for anyone but myself.
There’s just so much out there to see and do, and once you commit to the family you’re pretty limited
EXACTLY! I never want kids! I prefer my freedom, privacy and money!
Kids do limit your life
Umm I also do all those things you listed just with my kids. I take my kids to concerts, on unplanned vacations. Also move often cuz my husband's job. Just cuz I have kids doesn't mean I'm gonna keep them home 24/7 lol
Raising kids way difficult jobs than any freedom... @Apple1996 bro you're doing wonderful job.
This so cold "freedom" girls can't even dream of life you're living...
@savagewolf22 thank you and yes I don't think people really understand what freedom even means. I probably have more freedom then most people since I don't work so I can literally just pack up the car and go anywhere I want at anytime
Absolutely you're your own boss... so pls don't worry about this Social media freedom warrior...
You're my favourite here on gag for a reason...
Cheers.
@savagewolf22 not everyone wants kids!! It would not make me happy lol. Thats not the life i want!!
Ma'am it's your individual choice...
@savagewolf22 it is and y’all should stop saying the only way to life is having kids. There is far more to life!
Well ma'am I'm fuckboy n I know the truth of FREEDOM GIRLS...
so it's better we should respect both n move on.
Savagewolf22 my freedom is nobodys buisness!!! If i choose to use my days off to sit on my ass at home smoking pot and watching movies, so be it! That is more enjoyable than raising a messy loud child!
Okies fair...
by the way which pot are you smoking? Hukka?
@savagewolf22 marijuana bro
Awesome bro...
We're same 🤣
More power to ya if you can do it, but I don’t believe for a second that kids aren’t a major hurdle for doing that stuff. Can’t imagine bringing a toddler to Metallica, or dragging around the rugrats bumming around hostels in Europe or lounging on the beach in Mexico.
And army if I remember right? That doesn’t really count, that’s the same job in different locations
And no offence, but that’s only freedom if someone else is paying for it, plus you have to deal with the kids. Money stops and you’re kinda fucked
My husband is army and yes same job but not exactly. When someone moves its usually cuz they resigned a contract for a different assignment so it's a completely different then what they were doing that their previous base (some people aren't into progressing their careers so they continue to do the same shit for years even at different bases but bad for long military careers)
And really no it's not difficult to take my kids anywhere. We even somehow managed to travel during covid when most people complaining they couldn't leave their house
There are people that van travel with their kids and have no money so it's definitely possible to do with no money
@Apple1996 ya but we don’t want kids and we don’t want to struggle with them
Brittany you're seriously boring as fuck... keep repeating same old dialogue again n again...
Just shut your irritating mouth if you don't have new to say
@savagewolf22 i will say whatever i want since y’all think its okay to bash other people for not wanting annoying ass kids
@savagewolf22 fuck them kids!
Bash other people? 🤣🤣
Bruh don't comment when you're high with manjuana
@savagewolf22 I literally had someone tell me im selfish for not wanting crotch gremlins 💀💀💀but ok
@savagewolf22 *marijuana* go back to school
Aw maybe no guy on earth wants you either... no?🤣
@savagewolf22 awww because I don’t want kids or like them? There is such thing as men who don’t want kids either🤠FYI. Idiot!
Thanks for make me laugh 😂
@savagewolf22 *making* learn some correct spelling!!!
🤣🤣😂
Not for the ones that wanted kids. The ones that accidently have them I'm sure did
True but that could be any age for those type of people not just their 20s
I'll say this for you. You had your first at 17, right? You'll be 40s when your kids are out of college... so you'll have maximum income generation and still be young enough to enjoy it.
Yess exactly. I'll still be young even when my kiddos are grown
Partying with grown-up money is more fun than partying with early 20s money, lol.
The crazy thing is these single people in their 20s don't even have money to party with 😂
That's my point, haha.
"Drinking, partying, college, being a hoe are the only things I can come up with"
That's all there is and it isn't worth anything. You're lucky!
Actually having children is a part of a woman’s youth because women get to a point where they can’t have children anymore
Very true and men too
Don’t do that 🙄 don’t make this about gender this question was about women
I literally NEVER want kids HAHAHAH
Umm no. Read the question I very clearly said people that have kids in their 20s. Meaning men and women
Then may I give you an anatomy lesson?
@Brittanyroseee but don’t you want to fully experience womanhood?
@painusNdeeAnus no thanks! I hate babies and kids!
Im not a breeder cow!! Mysoginist!!
@painusNdeeAnus I don’t want to experience being a mom. It’s not for me and not for everyone and just cuz im a woman doesn’t mean i need to have them! I would be unhappy!!!
@Brittanyroseee well I just hope you change your mind before you lose the option to nobody you know or ever will know is going to love you like your children will
Take pride in your womanhood 🤰🥰
@painusNdeeAnus I don’t want to get married either sir!!!
@painusNdeeAnus it’s 2022. Women are not breeder cows. I will never have kids and if i fall pregnant i will have an abortion. Thats how much i do not want them!!!
@painusNdeeAnus do you want me to be miserable for the rest of my life? That is what will happen if i have kids.
@painusNdeeAnus by the way its not guaranteed your child will love you. Animals will. Humans are not innocent and always leave and fuck you over. There are many cases of evil child killers. There are cases of kids murdering their own parents!
@Brittanyroseee how do you know you’ll be miserable you’re robbing yourself of the experience?
whatever you have that’s more important than unconditional love from a person you created I hope you never lose it I’m sorry that you’ve allowed the world make your heart so fragile and loathsome your way of thinking is a defense mechanism you need serious therapy I truly pity you life is empty and unfulfilled with no one to share it with
PainusNdeeAnus because I don’t like children? What do you not get? I have no interest in babies. Never have. I never even held one in my life! I have friends with babies and I literally pay attention to their dog or cat.. not the child. I don’t have a paternal instinct
@painusNdeeAnus there are many women who have kids and end up abandoning them. Its not for everyone. I want a career, i want to be financially stable and to travel, experience life without screaming kids.
@painusNdeeAnus again, there are cases of children Murdering their own parents. Shut the fuck up about “unconditional love”
@painusNdeeAnus im not gonna risk bringing another Jeffrey dahmers or school shooter into this world!
Animals bring unconditional love and loyalty. Humans, are not innocent and do many horrible things to other human beings.
@painusNdeeAnus mysoginist🤮
@Brittanyroseee Not because you don’t want children but because you think a career , traveling and getting several new pets that you will outlive in your lifetime like I said you seriously need therapy
Your thought process and how you choose to live is not normal or healthy for social creatures like us
@Brittanyroseee im far from a mysoginist
only women give birth deal with it mate.😂 my wife never looked more beautiful than when she was pregnant with our little girl
@painusNdeeAnus ok, so i must have kids to have an enjoyable life?
@painusNdeeAnus your thoughts are not normal. I have my reasoning to not want kids i can list it
1. i have no paternal instinct
2. I just don’t like babies or young children
3. They are EXPENSIVE
4. They take away your freedom and privacy (yes, they do)
5. Most of the money you make, goes towards the kid
6. What if the child comes out severely disabled? Sorry but im not trying to be a caretaker for the rest of my life if the child can never be independent
7. The kid could grow up to be a narcissistic asshole, serial killer, or worse a school shooter
8. It is NOT guaranteed your child will love you like i said there are cases of kids murdering their own parents
9. I prefer animals🤷🏼♀️
10. I don’t find infants or toddlers “cute”
11. Kids are a huge responsibility
12. Kids are loud, messy, gross, obnoxious, etc
13. Im not trying to be embarrassed at a grocery store while my kid is throwing a tantrum
14. I prefer having a fulltime career and being financially stable
15. There is more to life than having children
16. Children are not here to take care of us when we are old. If anything i would rather have professional doctors and nurses care for me at a retirement home vs my child who will end up resenting me for it.
17. I don’t feel like putting my body through pregnancy and giving birth
18. I will regret the child if my husband leaves me, the kid would end up becoming a huge regret
19. If my husband were to cheat or leave me, i would never move on since i would be stuck with his offspring whereas if im married with no kids and he leaves me, i can easily move on and never have contact again
20. My reasonings are valid and should not affect you at all🤷🏼♀️
@Brittanyroseee they aren’t valid at all children are pure knew life if they’ll most likely be exactly like you they are blank slates but I’ll shorten your list for you
1. Im Selfish and Scared
@painuNdeeAnus ok once again mysoginist its not selfish to not want kids. I have my reasonings. Why should i have them, if i dislike them?
@painusNdeeAnus no children are not pure. An 8 year old boy in india killed his cousin. I suggest you google that. Many cases of kids murdering people.
@painusNdeeAnus many women end up having kids and they abandon them. Not all women are fit to be moms bro
@painusNdeeAnus I don’t want kids that badly that if i ever were to fall pregnant, i would have an abortion..
@Brittanyroseee imagine letting other peoples experiences dictate your life you’re oppressing yourself at this point
The more you talk the more I hear fear, doubt, and no accountability
@painusNdeeAnus it is important to think of the negatives when it comes to kids. Anything can happen
@painusNdeeAnus what do i need to be held accountable for? The fact i choose to not be a mother? Its 2022…. Why are you so pressed that I don’t want kids? I literally hate them. Why should i have them?
@painusNdeeAnus imagine judging someone for choosing a different lifestyle. It’s 2022, its not the midevil times… its not selfish bro. What is selfish is to have kids I don’t want and that I won’t love. Once again, many people are parents and are terrible at it. So stop encouraging that everyone has them!!!
@painusNdeeAnus im not a breeder cow. I will gladly have an abortion if i ever fall pregnant. That is how much i really do not want crotch demons. Stop being a judgmental piece of shit!!! Andrew Tate!!!
@Brittanyroseee you shouldn’t hate anyone
Such a dull girl ( I’m using the term girl maliciously because a real woman would never behave in such a shameful way who raised you they need their ass kicked) you are.
@painusNdeeAnus many women dislike children… so im supposed to like them? Honestly fuck off!
@painusNdeeAnus just because im not popping out crotch demons doesn’t make me less of a woman you piece of shit!
@painusNdeeAnus babies are ugly and gross. Animals are cute!!! Bye!!!
@Brittanyroseee then don’t have sex you are mature enough to handle the consequences like a real woman
@painusNdeeAnus I won’t stop fucking my boyfriend:) and i can just abort the thing! It’s like taking the trash out on a Thursday morning! Yes im prochoice and yes im a bitch and you are a mysoginist!
@painusNdeeAnus people can get pregnant on contraceptives. No way in hell im “dealing with the consequence” tell married couples who decided to not want kids, to stay abstinent from sex. Yes, child free married couples exist! My brother and sister in law HATE kids and instead have a bunch of pets!!!
@Brittanyroseee that makes no sense at all pets are just as inconvenient and why are you performing a reproductive act if you don’t want kids?
@painusNdeeAnus and kids are also unnecessary and inconvenient 🤷🏼♀️ each to their own. We like different things. Why is what i do affect you so much?
@painusNdeeAnus its 2022. People have sex for pleasure these days. Tell married couples who chose to be child free, to be abstinent.. you seriously sound very arrogant and im done talking to you.
@Brittanyroseee they’re married they don’t have to be abstinent
And you sound like a lazy mysogynist Who is against women who want to be feminine submissive barefoot and pregnant
Maybe if you lost a few pounds you’d feel better im sorry you’re so unhappy
@painusNdeeAnus doesn’t matter if im married or not. I live in a free country where i can fuck my boyfriend as much as i want. Im also in a state where abortion is LEGAL. Im sorry you are so damn miserable that you bash other women for simply choosing to not be a mom.
@painusNdeeAnus im extremely happy with my life! I have a fulltime career doing what i LOVE, i have 40k in my savings, im going to paris next month to see my best friend, i have great friends. I love my life! I don’t need kids to be happy. If anything you are the miserable one for being so judgmental about other people’s lifestyle choices.
@painusNdeeAnus ah! The fat comments! What are you? 12 years old? Grow up!
@painusNdeeAnus my life should not affect you at all whatsoever. Rapist. Mysoginist.
@painusNdeeAnus im the opposite of “lazy” im extremely career motivated, money obsessed and a workaholic. You think im lazy because I don’t want to sacrifice my life, money, freedom, and career for crotch demons. I would literally have an abortion if i ever ended up pregnant. Why? Cuz i would not give a damn about the thing. There would be no emotional ties towards it. So why should i have kids? Again I don’t like them🤷🏼♀️ I can’t help what i like and don’t like. Im also not gonna stop fucking my boyfriend either sir.
@painusNdeeAnus to you, pets are inconvenient. That is fine! To me, kids are inconvenient! We have different views! I also hate human beings🤷🏼♀️so why would i birth any? Humans are cruel. They are not innocent. Animals are innocent and loyal. Im not trying to birth the next school shooter or the next Jeffrey Dhamers.
@painusNdeeAnus good bye andrew tate!!! Im done! Im being child free and “selfish” until i die because it’s my life and i can live my life how i want to!!!
@Brittanyroseee you’re still on about this? Happy people never have to say it😂 you do realize people have what you have and more with children I’ll be spending my birthday in Argentina with my family I’m sorry I triggered you so much
@painusNdeeAnus im triggered? I think YOU are triggered 😂 you are the one who keeps going on about it, im just responding to your piece of shit comments
@painusNdeeAnus im going to paris next month! I will be on the plane without a SCREAMING child in my ear for 10 fucking hours:)
@painusNdeeAnus not everyone lives a luxury life with kids bro.
So glad im child free! Never having them! Prochoice!!!
Deletus the fetus, yeetus the fetus. Thou shall be gone!!!
@Brittanyroseee you literally stalked my posts 😂 like I said sorry you’re so triggered
@painusNdeeAnus yes I stalked your page to see what type of piece of shit you are and you are a confirmed rapist since you think you don’t need a girl to consent to sex
@painusNdeeAnus i think you are triggered by my lifestyle choice to not have crotch gremlins
And by the way Apple1996 it’s not true for men male bodies make sperm and semen nonstop as long as we aren’t shooting blanks we can have children 9 times out of 10 when couples can’t conceive it’s because of the woman
It's actually 40% of the time infertility is caused by the man. y'all sperm count decreases every year after the age of about 22. And no shooting blanks isn't common but low sperm count is the problem.
theconversation.com/.../male-fertility-how-age-affects-mens-chances-of-having-children-156411
Sperm count can be increased infertility in men can be reversed
extendfertility.com/.../
doctors estimate that women lose up to a thousand additional follicles each month thanks to natural cell death If you're counting that's up to 1,021 eggs lost each month Even if you're pregnant, on birth control, or otherwise not ovulating
Women need to lose those eggs or else they will never go into menopause. It's a good thing. Same with men loosing their sperm count. We can't have a bunch of oldies having childern. That's not natural lol
You don’t seem to understand or at least refuse to acknowledge ( for some reason) that women get to a point when they lose all their eggs and can no longer reproduce as for men our sperm count just decreases it doesn’t go away our bodies still make tens of thousands of sperm at 51 while women have no eggs at 51
We aren't meant to live past 50-60 so it's useless to keep reproducing past that age. And honestly I'd never have a kid with a man past 30 cuz of autism risk. That's just me tho everyone else who can deal with those types of kids are free to have them when they are old
Where tf do you live where the average life expectancy is 50 to 60 😂
Autism is hereditary age has nothing to do with it
Older fathers produce more kids with autism. And still even without risk I don't want my kids having a old dad
And no realistically that's how long we are suppose to live. Now a days we have medical and technology to lengthen that time but still not perfect. Most people only live until 70s
40 to 80 percent of all Autism is genetic
medlineplus.gov/.../
You could have a baby with a 17 year old guy and your baby will still have autism if it’s in your family gene pool this is 5th grade biology ma’am
Also are you implying autistic people don’t deserve a chance at life?
If a man is over 35 he has a 2-3x greater chance of having a autistic child. You can look into it more if you look up does fathers age increase chance of autism.
And nah I have no problem with people with any issues but I'm not trying to purposely create a child like that has a increased chance at anything. That's just fucked up to choose that for your own kids
Smh it’s like talking to a brick wall
You clearly have no clue how male anatomy and biology works
why do you care so much that men can still have healthy children at an advanced age?
Because they can't. They have autistic kids or kids that have other issues.
And nah I'm extremely educated on this. My in laws had a accidental baby at 39 and 45(vasectomy stopped working, they weren't just being irresponsible) but I took care of their son from ages 1 to 5 and had to constantly watch out of autism and adhd symptoms in him since that's what happens with having old parents.
Also like I said me and my husband were raising him during those toddler years since my in laws were too old to care for him
How old was this woman that gave birth?
Mil was 39 but they were worried because of my fil being 45
Do you know what the number 1 cause of infertility is?
Pcos/endo problems for women and low sperm counts for men.
I have pcos but have the problem of being too fertile. It goes both ways can either ovulate to much or to little
Nope not low sperm count low sperm count men still have many children it’s sperm quality due to lifestyle or genetic sperm disorder that’s the issue it doesn’t go both ways
Seriously why does it bother you so much that men can have children at any age
Genghis khan fathered hundreds of children well into his 50s
sultan ismail ibn sharif had 888 children well into his 70s
This is why so many women whine about men wanting younger women they’re prettier and more fertile
If men just had kids when they're suppose to they wouldn't want younger women. And this for sure ain't my husband cuz he's glad I'm getting older and in a few years we will be completely done having kids.
I think guys who go after younger women are just behind in life
Also it doesn't bother me I'm just stating basic facts that men don't stay fertile forever especially now a days
Why did you feel it necessary to bring that up as if it were a contest?
by the way successful guys go for younger women because they want children
Let’s pretend science is wrong and men dont stay fertile forever
Would that bother you? And why?
Is it because you think it’s unfair?
You’re confusing low sperm count with no sperm count
Male bodies have an infinite number of sperm
It bothers me cuz they're creating kids that have issues. I'm not fan of parents having kids past 30-35. Like I already said I dealt with this first hand having to raise a child that was born to older parents.
In a world where that didn't happen then it wouldn't be a big deal
No the way things are currently are perfectly pair. Men and women stop being fertile around the same ages
fair* not pair
You are really uneducated about sperm count. It's gone down 50% just in the last 30-40 years regardless of age men are fucked due to environmental reasons
Having a low sperm count doesn’t mean you’re infertile
You do realize anything less than 15 million per milliliter is considered low right?
anywhere from 42 to 56 years old a woman can no longer have children
Women lose 90% of their eggs by or before age 30 https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/all-news/ovaries-280110
Male fertility doesn’t begin to decrease until after age 35 sperm production decreases it doesn’t stop
Everyone has issues that’s no reason to not have children
children born to older fathers are likely to have a higher I. Q. compared to those born to younger parents. Additionally, kids born to older parents exhibited a stronger focus in pursuing their interests and more self-confidence than those born to younger parents.
www.givelegacy.com/.../#toc-1475426-2
My first child wasn't born until I was 37, but I don't think I would have minded having kids in my 20s, so, no I wouldn't agree with that statement.
They're just trying to impose their 3rd wave feminist doomer pov. On you. You'll be young enough to actually enjoy your empty nest when the kids are a bit older.
Live your life the way you like, other people should take a hike.
"Youthful" activities are all so dumb. It's ridiculous how much glory is put on them, to the point where people who don't do them are looked down on. I've done all those things and they're a total waste of time and energy. The most important thing you'd be missing out on is studying in college, but you can go later in life, and even then a lot of people consider THAT a waste of time.