Studies show that children raised in single mother households are more likely to become crimimals. Why do single moms raise so many more criminals?

[Vegasrunner]

[madhatters4]

it's more about a variety of factors than just the mother. i'll focus on one... economics

single mothers are more likely to fall into a lower economic class due to there being only one income. lower income generally means living in places where you can stretch that dollar further. this tends to mean living in lower socioeconomic areas. a characteristic of lower socioeconomic areas is higher crime rates. children are deeply influenced by their environment.

that's one reason. but i think the question why do children of single mothers tend towards criminal behavior more than children of two parent households... because the mother isn't raising criminals, unless their 5 year olds are out their jacking cars, rather at some point a person opts criminal behavior

[lightbulb27]

WAG: Lack of power to limit boundaries of the child and the absence of the father creates insecurity. Kids have to know there are limits and consequences.

With low self esteem (believing themselves not worthy of their father), the children end up acting out of fear, anger... bad energies. They run wild.

not all... but some.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

You mean absent father households? The moms are still trying to do their job just like married moms do. It's the dads who fucking dipped on the kids. That's the difference. & being dumped by ur own parent can definitely fuck kids up.

[bros26]

I agree

[Vegasrunner]

@GOLDFISH_smile If that's the case then why to children raised by single fathers do so much better?

[GOLDFISH_smile]

They can afford counseling? I don't know. Absent mother households are not that common. I don't know much about them.

[Vegasrunner]

@GOLDFISH_smile OK, at least you're willing to admit you don't understand this subject. But the fact that these are problems that come from single moms seems to indicate that they are at fault

[GOLDFISH_smile]

I don't know much about absent MOTHER homes. I know about absent father. I had friends in that situation as kid & as adult, & my own dad was absent for a while too. I know that fucks kids up. How is it the moms fault if the dad turns out to be a selfish bitch behind her back? It's one thing if most fathers weren't there just bc they died or something awful like that. It's not that. It's they fucking left, they cheated broke the wife's heart, they were fucking abusive etc. It's the dads that fucked up the family & then left, most of the time. I don't know why moms leaving u say that doesn't have the same negative effect, Mayne moms leave more considerately than dads do, or they stay more involved in the kids life I don't know. But whatever got fucked up itsthe parent who left that's fucking it. The parent who stayed isn't the problem usually.

[Agagagagaga]

Perhaps you aren’t aware that the vast majority of divorces are initiated by women.

So is it that the men are dipping out of being fathers... or that mothers are taking their children away from fathers?

🙄

[GOLDFISH_smile]

@Agagagagaga if ur spouse divorced u, u can still have a relationship with ur fucking kids. That's 2 totally separate issues. Sorry were u talking about split custody, dual-parenting situations? No? U were talking about absent father households? That's what i fucking thought, so let's stay on topic. A mom can't force a dad to stop caring for & talking to his own children unless there's good reason—like abuse. In most cases where the dad is absent, it's bc he CHOSE to be. I've literally known nobody ever that was FORCED to stay away from their own kids unless they were literally a pedophile. Are u gonna say that was the moms fault too? Do u think the mom would've fucked the kids up by getting a divorce & taking them away from their cheating pedo dad as soon as she found out he was a cheating pedo?

[Agagagagaga]

@GOLDFISH_smile Judging by your grammar reading isn’t your strength. The question was:

“ Studies show that children raised in single mother households...”

So why are you talking about men still being in the home?

It doesn’t matter if the father is still in the picture and still pays child support

THE CHILD IS RAISED in a SINGLE MOTHER HOUSEHOLD.

🤦‍♂️

This really isn’t a difficult concept to understand.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

@Agagagagaga reading isn't my strength no, funny enough bc words are, but im not taking time and be fancy here so thanks for spelling it out.

Like I said from the start, single mother households are absent father households. If the father was present & helping raise the kid, it'd be split custody. It'd be dual parenting. "Single" isn't just "not married", like it's not "single woman" it's "single MOTHER" as in there's not a father (or other mother) in the picture. The kids have just their mom: single mom.

& I don't count paying child support as a relationship with ur kid. & hanging out once a week is obviously not the same as living in the same house together & being able to rely on him for regular parent shit. U understand that right? If it's not split custody, like if the mom has sole custody (like I assume is the case bc that's the only way "single mother" makes sense to call it) THATS when everything I've been talking about applies. If this whole time u were actually talking about situations where it's split custody & both parents are equally involved, but just they're divorced, then I don't know shit about that. I don't even know why they'd call that single mom household since it's still both parents.

[Vegasrunner]

@GOLDFISH_smile The studies seem to show otherwise. Women typically initiate break ups anyway so that part is irrelevant, however when it's only the mom the child tends to be pretty messed up. But when it's the single das the child tends to do fine. My question is why.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Yeah. Yes. That's what I've been talking about. When the dad is absent I know about that, & I can tell u that fucks up the kids bc he fucking abandoned them, & prolly even did some extra shit that caused the divorce that also fucks the family up. So yeah it makes sense absent father homes have fucked up kids.

What i don't know, is absent mother homes. Never met one, never heard about one. I don't know what they're like, so I don't know what the difference is that would make those kids not fucked up. I can guess like, maybe moms stay in contact more, maybe they don't do as messed up shit that leads to the divorce, maybe dads are more likely to send their kids to therapy over shit like that, yknow? but I don't know if any of that's true. You'd prolly have to just look it up. Im sure someone has researched possible explanations for the difference. Ur definitely not the first person to be curious.

[Vegasrunner]

@GOLDFISH_smile So you're saying you're not educated enough on this subject? That's a fine answer. Obviously you can't make an assumption that the dad abandons the kid when women initiate the majority of divorces, however as you stated you don't know anything about this subject. So perhaps the best thing for you to do was to just not respond, or listen to others who do have a better grasp on this subject.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Bro no, ur not listening. I DO know about absent father households, I do NOT know about absent mother households. Do you know about either one? Cuz it doesn't seem like it. Divorce doesn't mean u abandon or kids. Ur wife ending ur relationship with her doesn't mean u have to end ur relationship with ur kids. That's a different relationship. That's a different thing. Even if the woman initiated divorce 100% of the time, that doesn't excuse absent fathers. You don't need to be married to your kids mom to still be ur kids dad. Fucking obviously. Why do u not understand that? Do u think divorce is a restraining order? Cuz it's not. Again, for the dad to actually be forced to stay away from his own kids he needs to be a danger to them. & if he's a danger to the kids then how can u be mad at the mom for protecting the kids by getting a restraining order against him?

[Vegasrunner]

@GOLDFISH_smile Based on what you said, you know about a handful of specific personal situations. Yes, I know about both which is why I asked the question. We both agree that single moms make worse parents, my question is why?

[GOLDFISH_smile]

No we fucking don't. Why do you think single moms are worse? They're doing the same shit they'd be doing if the dad stayed. And kids of 2 present parents u say turn out fine. So why would kids of one parent suddenly do worse if what that 1 parent does didn't change, and the thing that changed is the other parent left? Why would the thing that didn't change be what fucks up the kid, and the thing that DID change not be responsible? That's like saying "yeah one kid who gave a lollipop and an ice-cream and they were happy, and the other kid we gave just a lollipop and ice cream and then took away the ice cream, and they were sad. Clearly that means lolipops are shitty candy." No that means they wanted the ice cream too. The lollipop didn't do anything different. That's a stupid analogy but u understand what I'm saying now?

[Vegasrunner]

@GOLDFISH_smile That's an excellent question, and it helps highlight your confusion. Im not making the case that kids of both parents "turn out fine" Im saying when left w/ only the mom the kid does worse. Obviously something changed, and the data seems to show that what changed is the better parent left the household. Single moms are worse because statistically kids raised by single moms have a higher incarceration rate, lower education rate and are more likely to committ both violent and non violent crimes. The 2nd part of your question is what I'm asking. When you look at children of single fathers vs children of single mothers the single father kids do way better in comparable life metrics

[GOLDFISH_smile]

So let me get this straight. The stats & studies show that kids with absent fathers & present mothers are very fucked up, kids with both present mom and dad and only kinda fucked up, and kids with absent mother and present father are not fucked up at all? I find that very hard to believe. And what about kids with neither parent? Aren't they fucked up too, even tho the moms not there to fuck them up like u think she does?

[Vegasrunner]

@GOLDFISH_smile Lol, no. The stats show that kids w/ absent fathers, have higher rate of incarceration, lower education rate, and higher criminal rate, than kids w/ absent mothers. Kids from 2 parent household do better than both. I don't know about stats from kids w/ neither. Also I don't "think" any of this, I'm simply reading the stats and attempting to understand why.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Ok so then it's not mom's are shitty, bc them being there doesn't make the kids life worse. Mom being present doesn't fuck up kids. Dad being present doesn't fuck up kids. Fair? Is that fair does that make sense to u, that neither parent fucks up their kids by being there and caring for them and raising them? Bc if that was the case then kids who have both parents would still be fucked up by the bad parent. But the studies say kids with both parents do best. So obviously both parents have a positive impact when they're present, according to the stats.

[Vegasrunner]

@GOLDFISH_smile I can't speak for the 1st part because I never mentioned anything about "moms being shitty" I simply articulated the fact that kids do worse when only being patented by moms.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

That's either bc mom's staying is shitty, or dad's leaving is shitty. There's not rlly other options. So if it's not bc moms staying is shitty then it has to be bc dad's leaving is shitty. What else could it be? That's the only 2 big things in "single mom"/ absent dad homes. The mom is there, the dad isn't. Unless there's a 3rd big thing that the studies didn't take into account?

[Vegasrunner]

@GOLDFISH_smile TY for clearing that up. Now I see your confusion. "Shitty" is intangible and can't be measured. Also there are way more options then those two, you simply created them and have resigned yourself to an either or situation. Sounds like you're saying dad's are more important to successful parenting because studies show when you remove him the kids do worse?

[GOLDFISH_smile]

No, I'm saying dads leaving fucks kids up. I think any parent leaving fucks kids up, & studies seem to agree don't they? Cuz both absent dad & absent mom kids do worse than when both parents are present. I don't know why moms leaving doesn't make them AS fucked up. Like I said I'm not familiar with absent mom homes. I don't know any big difference besides which parent left & which stayed. If u do know all these other different options, then why don't u say some of them? What, is absent dad's just way more common than absent moms, so more fatherless kids = more fatherless criminals, but per capita they're actually similar? Or are dads more often dying instead of just divorce, & having a parent die fucks u up more than just having a parent leave? Or what?

[Vegasrunner]

@GOLDFISH_smile No. The studies seem to say that dad's are OK raising kids to be productive members of society, moms not so much. Sounds like you're attempting to draw an equality where there isn't one. TBH perhaps you're demonstrating why moms make worse single parents. Even in the face of irrefutable evidence you're attempting to create an equality. Maybe dad's make better parents because they force their kids to deal w/ reality vs allowing them to live in delusion? Think about it, in one sentence you're claiming "you don't know" yet in the next one you're attempting to provide an answer, maybe dad's understand that they don't know what they don't know while moms provide input on subject matters that they admittedly don't understand?

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Again, if that were true and moms were bad at raising kids, then the mom being there would have a negative effect. Kids with both parents present would still be kinda fucked up bc they'd have moms there making them delusional and unproductive, counteracting the dads realisticness and productivity. So it would be absent mom best kids, both parents medium kids, and absent dad's worst kids. But that's not the case. Both parents are good for kids, bc both parents have a positive effect when they're present. The study doesn't "seem to say" any of that shit you're claiming. That's what u made up to make sense of it, while I didn't try to make anything up I admitted I didn't know about absent mom homes and only gave my opinion on absent father homes which I have experience with and actually know why it negatively effects kids. Now u trying to pretend I'm the delusional one, just go fuck urself. I answered ur question, I'm sick of talking to u. I hope if u have kids they are okay.

[Vegasrunner]

@GOLDFISH_smile I think I understand your confusion now. You're equating a moms responsibility when being single w/ a moms responsibility when she is part if a partnership. Those are two different things. What the studies seem to show is how undervalued dad is because he can at least keep the same level of performance when he's by himself whil le mom struggles mighty. If you're "sick of talking to me then I don't expect a response from you. But I'm glad I could educate you because they studies show you're kids are the ones that will need the most help unless you can find a man to partner with. Gl to you.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Poverty.

Its not the mothers who raise criminals, but the sad fact, how poor single parents (who are mostly single moms) in general are.

And poverty is the strongest factor for crimerates.

[normalice]

Probably has more to do with the child inheriting the sort of DNA from their father that skips out on their most serious of responsibilities.

[Vegasrunner]

@normalice Ahh I understand so your saying all successful people inherit their dreams from their fathers?

[normalice]

oh, did you think DNA was some kind of subconscious thing?

[Vegasrunner]

@normalice I see your confusion. You're saying successful people inherit their DNA from their fathers?

[normalice]

Oh, you were thinking people (successful ormotherwise) inherit DNA from someone besides their parents? Interesting.

[Vegasrunner]

@normalice I never brought inherited DNA into the conversation you did. Are you sure you tagged the correct person?

[normalice]

So, you already knew the answer to your last question but asked it anyway? Some real 5D chess going on here, eh..

[Vegasrunner]

@normalice If I knew the answer I wouldn't asked the question, but based on what you've said it seems like you believe that successful people inherit their DNA from their fathers?

[normalice]

You're asking a second time after I already answered the question? Is it possible you just didn't see the first answer? You insist you didn't already know so one would think you would read the response, but maybe reading responses to your questions to learn the answer isn't a skill you've developed yet.

[Vegasrunner]

@normalice Your responses end in question marks so that can't be an answer unless you are ignorant of the original question asked. No I don't know why single moms raise more criminals, some people have provided some valid answers you simply have failed to.

[normalice]

Oh, you forgot your own question. That's rough. I'm sorry whatever happened to you that caused so much memory loss and cognitive impairment. But I'm going to be on the toilet for a minute so I'll recap:
You asked "You're saying successful people inherit their DNA from their fathers?" You can scroll up to verify that you asked this question. I promise it will still be there by the time you get to it. But don't be discouraged if you can't see the word "you're" on scanning, because you tagged me so the first word you'd actually see is my handle. And then you began with the unrelated phrase "I see your confusion."
Then, thinking the answer to that question was obvious to everyone, I wanted to make sure you weren't just trolling and genuinely didn't know so I asked "Oh, you were thinking people (successful ormotherwise) inherit DNA from someone besides their parents?".
But instead of answering with a yes or no so that I could ensure you weren't trolling, which immediately upon answering would have given yourself an answer to your question "You're saying successful people inherit their DNA from their fathers?" you decided to abandon your inquiry and remind me that i brought DNA up, which wasn't in dispute but I guess to someone whose sense of reality keeps shifting because of your brain situation such disputes could be imagined into existence every once in a while.
Of course, I ignored your disability, for which i suppose I should apologize, and just assumed you were trolling since you wouldn't answer and asked "So, you already knew the answer to your last question but asked it anyway?"
To which you just asked the question again. But I think you'll find if you answer my first response to that question, your question will answer itself. Were you thinking people (successful or otherwise) inherit their DNA from someone besides their parents? If no then you have your answer. If yes then we can talk about it.

[Vegasrunner]

@normalice TY. I accept your apology

[normalice]

It was more a "condolence" sorry than "apology" but I guess the difference is hard for you.

[Vegasrunner]

@normalice That just proves how much more emotional women get when they are faced with info that challenges their beliefs.

[normalice]

Not in real life. In real life it has nothing to do with it.

[Vegasrunner]

@normalice Yes, a lot of women like you don't believe in real life.

[exitseven]

They are usually on welfare and live in a less than satisfactory environment. They do not have a good male role model. They just see the guy on the corner selling drugs.

[RedInnocent68]

It’s not strictly causal. But there are other socio-economic demographic relationships.

[Anonymous]

Because nobody can put the fear of God in you like your father. Guys are just better at scaring their kids straight.

[riverrat3]

So you blame the moms on deadbeat dads