There's no no question that the makeup artist is talented. thats obvious. but I have to agree that makeup can be deceptive. make up is fine. i have no problem with trying to enhancing your features. bit once you enhance your self to the point where you look completely different person that's deceptive. your not being true to who you are. you shouldn't try to look like someone else. We're all beautiful in our own unique way. makeup artist are running people's lives especially the young ones on social media where the target is the younger generation of females to think they should cake up to look beautiful. being simple and looking natural has been forgotten and it's sad
No. First of all, it's really fucking obvious when someone is wearing a lot of makeup. If you can't see when a woman is wearing enough makeup to change her appearance that radically, you need to get your eyes checked. But secondly, why on Earth does a woman "natural" appearance matter more than the one she created for herself? That's super duper arbitrary, and while I get where that argument is coming from, the fact remains that there's really no reason why the face a person is born with has to be their "true" face. After all, plenty of peoples faces are altered after birth somehow, intentionally or otherwise, but they're still their "true" face. If someone had scars on their face and used makeup to hide them, would that be deception? If yes, does that make the scars their "true" face, meaning that other permanent modifications (tattoos, plastic surgery) would also be their "true" features?
Also, everybody hides some of their features every damn day. For instance, my legs are not in fact naturally made of blue denim. If I were to not disguise how I naturally smell, I don't think anyone would be terribly pleased with me. So again, what makes makeup so different?
@MrMysteryMan @MrMysteryMan so? If I don't wear much makeup, doesn't that just make my opinion more trustworthy since I don't have a vested interest?
And how does transgender people using makeup well show it to be deceptive? If anything, their use of makeup helps them present themselves more as they see themselves, which one could argue is more honest than simply presenting ones natural face with no alterations.
@MrMysteryMan Sooo? How is that deceptive? If they present themselves the way they find best represents who they are, and you find that attractive, how is that deceptive? If I think a guy looks nice but it turns out he's an asshole, he didn't decieve me, I just misjudged.
No it's deceptive if they make themselves up to appear to be a woman, and you don't have a clue (and they are very good at this), and then you find out they are not a woman. That is a perfect example of deception, hiding your true form.
@MrMysteryMan they are a woman, just not by your definition perhaps. Like if some dude who was transphobic made himself seem like a nice guy, and then it turned out he was actually a bigot. Not him being deceptive, just me not judging him perfectly immediately.
@MrMysteryMan I mean if someone is intentionally and knowingly presenting themselves as other than what they are that's deception. But if they're just telling their own truth (provided it's a subjective truth) they're not decieving.
@cipher42 When we, as guys, say that we see make up as deceptive we don't speak about girls who use it to enhance their natural beauty. We speak about girls who use it in order to cover a set of imperfections that makes them look different than their natural self. Let me give an example: Let's say that we have a woman with a birth mark on her face. This woman has two options either a) Use make up to enhance her natural beauty but NOT cover up her birth mark (which means she accepts it as a part of her natural beauty), b) Use make up and cover it up completely. Now, I wouldn't mind the birth mark, I would date her (true story), other men though may not want to date her, thus to them her act choosing option b is a deception. Let's see that from a girls perspective: Some girls only want a man 6ft tall. let's say that a man who isn't that tall, wears elevator shoes and manages to date a girl like that. Can this woman feel deceived or she should take it?
So, say that someone cheated on someone, in that, they slept with someone else. The SO accuses them of not loving them anymore. However, the cheater says and, in their heart, says that they do love them, and that it had nothing to do with what they feel for them. Would you consider this deception. I mean, you can love more than one person. Maybe they weren't showing care for the other person at the time and was being selfish, but in their mind, they still would kill or even die for the other person if it meant the other person wouldn't die out of love, is this or is this not deception?
@Odysseas I addressed all of what you said in my initial comment. What differentiates a birth mark from a scar she got later in life? Is deceptiveness about permanence?
If a guy is wearing platform shoes, I'd be a damn idiot to not notice. Or are you gonna tell me high heels are deceptive too?
@MrMysteryMan if the cheater still loves the other, it's not deceptive to say so. Cheating was still shitty, but is wasn't deceptive as such, nor was telling the other person they still love them. I think perhaps you need to learn the difference between being shitty and being a liar.
When a woman wears high hells it's not deceptive, because high heels for women don't "conceal" the fact that they are there and that they are heels (they are exterior). That means that if I am a man with rigid preferences of only having sex with NATURAL tall women, I can still tell the short girl wearing high heels from the natural tall one. Elevator shoes conceal the heel inside them and they appear as a normal shoe, one friend of mine got one pair and if I didn't know him for years, I couldn't have guessed that this wasn't his natural height. Now what If my friend manage to have a hookup with a girl who has AABSOLUTE height prerequisites? She WOULDN'T have done it if my friend showed up in his natural height. Now about the scars, I understand what you are saying and it's true, her scars were never her initial face but now that's her new "true face". Again some people may NOT want to have sex with a scared girl, by concealing the scars she can manage to get it though from them.
@Odysseas So you think the difference between decieving and not is permanence then? So if someone has plastic surgery to change their face, that's not deception since that's permanent?
PART ONE: It's not about permanence or not. It's about whether a said concealment, affects the choosing process of other people. Let's examine the case of plastic surgery. If am man goes through the leg lengthening operation, he may appear taller for sure, but don't forget that some women, are not absolute about a man's height only for aesthetic reasons, but because of reproductive ones also. Some women say "I want a man above X cm because I want taller children". A man of 175 cm can be 180 cm by surgery and thus dateable for such woman, he still has the DNA of a 175 cm man though. If the said man conceals the fact of such operation, he deceives the said woman because he has altered her initial choice of whether to date him or not. The same of course with the case of plastic surgery and birth marks. The same can't be applied in the case of scars, because scars are not a biological trait. Basically she "re scars" her face to be on the same level as before.
PART TWO: In conclusion, there is no problem with plastic surgery or make up. It only becomes a problem when those things conceal a set of characteristics, that otherwise would make those people undateable to another group of people, who if they had been informed of that concealment would have chose differently. A politician who has interactions with the underground (yeah tell me about it!!! :P) will conceal that fact from the people, (notice that he isn't lying he just doesn't choose to inform us). Don't you think that some people who vote for him were deceived? That they wouldn't have done this if they knew of that concealed information?
Make-up that id organic and healing to the skin is another thing.
I'll discuss the make-up that alters your facial features and changes colour to attract a potential mate.
Lip stick that's bright shows you are ovulating and your vagina is lubricated.
Clear glowing skin shows balance of hormones.
Eye make-up shows dilation of eyes.
So basically this type of make-up tries to show you are healthy to have children and find the man in front of you very sex and want to have sex with him because you are ovulating.
This is a big deception. And women should not do this. It gives wrong cues to men.
The man will eventually find out what you look like without make-up
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it depends how much you change with and without it :c i, for example, look like the exact same person - esp on photos - with or without it, so i wouldn't call it deceiving at all. i like to do it for funsies AAAAND i'm more confident with it (but am fine without it too, even though my skin has sum acne scars). riding redness, pimples, making your eyelashes longer with mascara and putting a little lipgloss or lipstick and blush is fine; kylie jenner and almost every western idol makeup isn't. emma watson and lilly collins are examples of kinda good makeup usage ;c -qq
I agree. The use of make up is to enhance what you've got. Moma always told me when it comes to make up less is more. We even joked around saying some girls use a putty knife to put her make up on. I wear make up- powder, blush maybe eye concealer if I'm feeling self conscious, not often and I do wear eye shadow to play up my eyes. You can still tell it's me though just with makeup on.
well, I probably have a rather unusual position on this. I am a magician, what I do is deceive people. and to some extent, any form of art is deception, it's taking one thing (like a bunch of paint and bit of canvas) and making it seem like something else or making people see it differently. how I view a magic trick, is if you have respect for the artistry, that lie becomes art. but if you are using it to con someone, it's deception.
I think makeup is the same. it is an art form, so if it's done with respect for the artistry, then it is art. if it's done to deceive, then it is deception. I wouldn't be so black and white judgey about it as that might seem, but I think you get what I mean. so essentially I agree that it's about being true to yourself. though that's not such an easy thing either with the ephemeral nature of "self"..
and yeah, I think it can be sad. my ex used to wear loads of make up, and was embarrassed when I saw her without it, but she was so beautiful, it made me so sad to think that she felt inadequate without it.
Yes, I thinks makeup is a deception and false advertisement because it can change a person's appearance completely making them look like a different person. Especially in dating it's false advertisement because appearance itself and that you can trust your partner is part of the attraction and relationship in my opinion.
If a person is attracted to another person and is mostly attracted due appearance since they don't know each other very well, they've a relationship a while and the date reveals it was all fake the person can be disappointed and lose attraction. Both because the person was tricked, can't trust the date and the person don't necessary find the partner physically attractive. Some people are just visual and it's a must for attraction in this world. In addition the makeup user used someone else's time unnecessary.
Well if a guy can't look and see what a girl is like past he makeup I guess it's more naivety on his part than deception. Every on the planet girl looks rough when they wake up the morning after.
And yes girls all want to look like this hideous Michael Jackson face trend that is going on.
I think it is more a question of intent and each case should be looked at individually - In your examples the first one is a deception ( albeit a self deception the most) and number 2 is making the best of in her perception without radically changing her appearance. My own preference is the light or no make up look which may or may not involve make up. To me it is the same as me shaving maybe getting a haircut, wearing good clothes to give me the perception of improving my look. I would never feel angry more pity for someone who feels for some reason they have to go to the extremes of case 1.
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Imagine you meet a man who's the hottest thing you've ever seen. After a few dates, you invite him in. It gets hot and steamy, and as he's getting undressed, he takes off his muscle-suit shirt, his muscle-padded pants, and the sock out of his underwear. In the morning when you wake up, you notice that his wig is on crooked and his makeup is smeared all over your pillow, revealing his horrible complexion and lack of eyebrows.
You went to bed with Adonis and woke up with Jeff from accounting. How do you feel about it?
Of course it's deceptive - that's why women don't let it go
There is 2 things women need to even the playing field cause being a male is just better in almost every situation 1. Make up 2. That men should pay for dates etc
Women will never let these things go. And for good reason. It puts them on a leveled playing field as us When you see a handsome guy --> he's handsome no make up nothing, natural
I always bring cash on a date and am prepared to pay half if he gets dinner, I'll get the desert. if my date wants to pay, and waves me of when I bring out my wallet, I will say a very sincere thank you and say we should do this again sometime.
Ya but its not about one girl Majority isn't that way Especially when you go on dates with women that are older, well settling themselves and in a position of influence
She isn't going to think that way She's going to want a man equally as influential and that requires funds
I beg to differ. I had a guy who always borrowed money and I pay for all out dates. He never ever cared for me. Also just cuz some girls take it to the extreme doesn't mean I will. I wear make-up crazy bold colors but for my everyday I don't because I don't find I have enough time. I am comfortable with it and without it.
@apple24 sure pumpkin pie... there is alway exceptions to the case.. many girls are awesome like you... But it's just the majority of girls look for the same thing, that's why it's our job to filter out the shitty ones and find amazing ones like you
As the for the make up - it depends the context of course... putting on make up is fine and not a big deal - but there is a particular type of girl that isn't humble about what make up can do and she abuses it's power... most often make up will boost her a notch or two on the attractive scale. but she can't walk around acting as if she's an 8 when she's really a 6...
in every other situation it's fine... wear it :) it looks good
Okay... I am a special snowflake! hahaha Like I said it more likely for you to see me without my make-up then with it. But I still love it. extra information you don't care about lol!
I have no issue with make up, as long as a woman doesn't use too much. If it makes her feel more confident in herself, that is all that matters, as I find the way a woman acts and her attitude to accentuate her beauty more than any cosmetics. I always find pictures do not do a lady true justice for that reason. A woman's manner can make her more attractive or less attractive, and it is that uniqueness that makes her special, especially to the one she calls her significant other.
If you really think a woman puts on red lipstick in attempt to fool eveeyone that her lips are really red, then you're dumb as hell. Its fun and artistic and can be as wild as you want. If anyone tells you otherwise go ahead and flip them the bird as you apply your blue lipstick and glitter eye shadow.
It's so unfair. Just cuz we like make-up it's all of a sudden a crime. No I won't take it that far from changing my face white to black! But I won't stop wearing it because it disturbs men. People will always meet me without vs the rare occasion when I feel good enough to put it on.
Facial hair are organic they grow naturally on us. Facial hair are like a new hair style for women, it's natural because it's done by using natural assets, have you seen any man complaining about how a woman's hair style is "deceptive"? Of course not. Make up is artificial, it's paint pigments applied on the face, there is nothing natural about it.
@Odysseas this guy Kayla showed is ugly on the left and is hiding some of his ugly on the right. If making yourself look better is deceptive, then growing a beard to look less ugly is deceptive by definition.
@Astoriana Before So if a fat woman/man take the decision to start a good diet and a workout routine, in order to lose weight and look better, that is called also deception? Of course not, because loosing weight is a natural process that takes place when you have a calorific deficit. The same here, beards are natural to a guy, they are not artificial. Make up on the other hand is not a natural process, unless there is a specific female "make up" gene that naturally produces colour pigments on the face, that I am unaware of. Do you know the only way for a man to be deceptive? Warning: the following deceptive technique doesn't work all the time because NOT every girl is shallow. Now... if a man rent a very good car, buy expensive clothes and pretend he is rich in order to get a girl who is shallow about money, then yes that's deception, but usually the most shallow girls are the ones with the most make up on, so in that situation male deception vs female deception final score 1-1.
@Levin touche. I'm glad you got my point and are trying to downplay the point of contention now that you realize how you were taking it way more seriously than any one else.
U see a lot of young girls now a days like that because of media celebs etc some of them look bad and don't even need it. Because they already have youthful skin. They will age more. Me personally take five mins to get makeup I go for natural look and hate fakery
If it makes a woman look good I say makeup is good. I like a woman who knows to do her makeup and on whom makeup actually works. I appreciate women who try to look a little better. Always taking a further step, a step ahead. I however hate heavy makeup, the type to smear on my shirt...
Are bras a deception? After all you don't know if my tits will drop when you remove it.
I think it's ridiculous, women are not merchandise, we can't be advertised falsely. Most men have seen their woman without makeup before he marries her, and unless she is dressed for the red carpet, the difference really isn't THAT big. Also, he should know that she doesn't look as flawless without her makeup, not uglier just a different kind of beautiful.
I dotn really thik it is a deception when done properly and not get overboard like the Kartrashians, it enhances your natural features. Everything with moderation, not excessively. For instance the first example she look slike a complete different person, that should not be done.
There is more than just makeup like: wigs, weaves, hair extensions, fake eyelashes, butt pads, shapwear etc. You could go as far as injections or even surgery. When it comes to surgery I mean the ones who do it for superficial reasons and because the were in an accident, got burned, got stabbed etc.
No, it's called pretty, for attraction. Learn it to benefit from its beauty enhancement. Ignore the guys - they don't know what they want, they just know pretty when they see it.
Women in general are a deception. The extenations in your hair aren't real, make covers flaws , tanning beds make it seem like you go outside, waxed mustache like your not hairy, fake nails, add a size or 2 padded push up bras, not real tits, jeans that make your as look like you hit gym 4 hrs a day but not even firm out of your clothes lots more than these too. PRETTY GIRLS DON'T NEED MAKEUP!!!
@TikiTook People wouldn't wanna change their entire appearance if other people weren't so judgmental and shallow - it's sad some women even bother to spend so much money. None of the women above are even ugly without makeup
No they aren't at all. And what's f'd is that if they didn't wear makeup they'd be told they should do something to fix up in order to gain attraction from men. People are so wishy washy. They say makeup is best off without and it's so fake yet I don't really think men hold to that at all.
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