One, that isn't a new thing.
Two, it isn't remotely racist.
Some people are racist and say mean things. But that doesn't mean people wearing their eyeliner in a certain way is at all related to race.
Imagine if I said you couldn't have long hair because I'm Celtic and that means you hate Irish guys. You'd think I was out of my dam mind.
People can wear their makeup however they want to. If she wants to look foxy, she can. And nobody should tell you how to wear your makeup either.
My ex is a cosmetologist. She has be doing eyeliner like that for 10 years. More a scene/emo thing than anything else.
But I can assure you, she isn't racist and it doesn't have anything to do with race.
If anything, take it as a compliment that other people's idea of beautiful eyes is similar to the eyes you were born with.
Don't be so eager to be a victim and you will see that other girls wearing crazy eyeliner has absolutely nothing to do with race or racism.
Gas lighting an Asian person trying to talk about a serious issue is what we’re not gonna do.
They’re talking about specifically Asian fishers, people who alter the shape of their eyes with eyeliner purposefully to make themselves appear to have monolids. Not to mention some of the people can be seen placing their hands near their eyes in a way that’s similar to the mocking gesture used to make fun of and degrade Asians.
This is what they’re talking about when they say they find it racist. Lastly, if you aren’t Asian you don’t have a place to say whether you find it racist or not because you aren’t in their walk of life in the first place
😂 some people really have lose all common sense.
It's obviously two photos, one of makeup and one of people stretching their eyes.
If I dress up like a firefighter, it doesn't mean I hate firefighters. It's probably means the exact opposite.
But this style of eyeliner is not owned by Asin people. It has nothing to do with race. It's not even a new thing.
What makes you think it has anything to do with being Asin? We used to call it wings, not fox eye.
I've never heard anyone associate it with being Asin in my life.
And, tbh, if you are asking whether no not something is racist, and you only listen to people who don't do it and are the same race as you, you won't get an accurate answer.
That would be like me assuming African drummers are racist against whites Because Irish people also play leather drums. And when they said "what? We have literally always done this. It has nothing to do with you" saying their opinion doesn't count because they aren't white.
That right there is racist. Saying truthfully and honestly that most people who wear their eyeliner like that do it because it looks good and not for any reason remotely related to race isn't racist. It's the truth.
Saying you only credit the opinion of people who look like you is racist as fuck.
But shit, be offended if you want to be. But just know that I'm offended by Chinese people eating potatoes because I just suddenly decided it's racist against the Irish and if you don't think it is your opinion doesn't count because you aren't white enough. 🤣😂🤣
Like I said, some people really are out of their minds.
But no, eyeliner wings aren't racist against asins. You ever see a KKK member trying to dress up to look more like s black person? No. Of course not. Racists literally wouldn't go out of their way to look more like the race they don't like.
That doesn't make any sense at all. You are just trying to start a pity party over nothing. 🤦🏼♂️
For the record, most people I have seen stretch their eyes and talk about Asin eyes being slanted WERE Asian. Even one of the girls in the photo looks pretty Asin to me. It's okay to be different. Have a sense of humor.
Unless someone is actively saying it's a bad thing, or trying to take your freedom or credibility away, just worry about you and let them say what they want to say.
When my Asian friend makes jokes about his own eyes, it's not because he is racist against Asians.
But the eyeliner trend has literally nothing to do with race. White girls do it, black girls do it, Asian girls do it, Hispanic girls do it. It's makeup. People are allowed to wear whatever makeup they want.
The last thing a racist who hates Asians would do is go out of their way to look like one 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
You are just trying to buy a ticket on the racial victimization bandwagon when nobody is even selling one.
And Shit, why else would you be disappointed to hear that nobody I know who wears their eyeliner like that does it for any reason related to race, and theu actually just do it because they like the way it looks?
Again, it has nothing to do with race. Not being racist is a GOOD thing. But if anything, it would be a compliment and not an attack.
You don't see feminists walking around trying to look like men. You don't see Nazis walking around wearing stars. And you don't see AntiAsin groups walking around wearing eyeliner to make them look more Asin.
That doesn't even make any sense. 🤦🏼♂️
""Asin people are racist against foxes because they wear their eyeliner in the same shape that a foxes eye is. So obviously they do that because they hate foxes."" 😂🤣😂🤣
Grow up and worry about your own problems instead of trying to make up new ones. Cus no, this not a serious issue.
Asin people are gorgeous. I love everyone no matter what.
But this crap is just getting ridiculous.
Your entire argument is just, this isn’t racist because I said so. You’re either blatantly or unknowingly ignoring the fact that Asians are being hate crimed right now because if racists referring to Covid as the “Kung flu” or even the Asian spa shootings which literally happened in my hometown.
I have Asian friends who’s had to face racists literally spitting on them and calling them racial slurs. I as a black person have no place to be telling an Asian person weighed they should find something racist because I myself am not Asian and therefore will never be able to fully understand what racism would be like in the eyes of an Asian person. Therefore listening to Asian voices speaking on these issues is what I’ll do instead of speaking over Asian voices on serious situations like you’re doing right now.
Since for some reason you didn’t understand my comparison last time, I’ll explain it this way. Let’s say someone’s been physically abused and opens up saying they feel that they where physically abused. I personally have never in my life been physically abused, nor have I ever been in said person shoes so who am I to speak over them and tell them otherwise.
Instead having a heart, being sympathetic, and a good Allie is the best I can do to help. Use that same concept.
And I don’t understand why you came to the conclusion I was Asian, cause I’m not and nothing I even brang up in the previous convo would give you context clues to assume im Asian. That’s pretty weird.
As for the kkk, I’m not sure if you know but there’s something called blackface and kkk members wore it a lot, your comparisons non sensible.
No one here’s having a pity party or getting offended, your choice of words are defensive. I’m just educating on an issue it’s evident you know nothing about.
Acknowledging that certain stuff exist and are extremely harmful isn’t and will never be the equivalent of getting offended.
You are entitled to your opinion.
But I don't think you even know what racist means.
If someone doesn't intend to attack someone else, it's not racism. You might find it offensive, but you can't choose to make someone else be racist just because you don't like the way they do their makeup.
That isn't how racism works. That is just delusional.
Blackface was mostly worn by theater performers. Not racial hate groups. Its racist because they wouldn't let black people play in the theater.
You don't see KKK members dressing their kids up as black panther for Halloween. 🤦🏼♂️
But shit, if you aren't Asin either, according to you, you don't have a right to decide what is and isn't racist against them any more than I do, so why are you trying to?
This argument isn't worth my time.
I don't mean to be cold or agresive.
I'm sorry I didn't make my point more compassionately.
I really just want you to understand that this is not an attack and you have no reason to be offended by it.
I am offended by your suggestion that girls who wear pretty eyeliner are racist. That can really do a lot of damage.
I think we need to stop calling anything we personally feel uncomfortable with racism and start accepting people's differences and agknologing that we are all beautiful in our own way. <3
@rachel776 I specifically said he was gas lighting the Asian person who made this by invalidating their experience. Recognizing that something is wrong and oppressive doesn’t equal getting offended. Lastly, if you aren’t altering the natural shape of your eyes than I’m not referring to that. I’m specifically referring to people doing it as an excuse to change the shape of their eyes to look like almond shaped or monolids.
@Lost_in_the_Woods you’re getting offended at something I never said, I said the trend was racist. As for the people that have done it. Some have apologized for their actions so that’s debatable but I wasn’t debating that in the first place. I said the trend was racist because it not only feeds into but it contributes to the very oppression that Asians have to live with every single day.
You guys referring to me as being offended is very much deflective. I’m just educating you on a matter you most likely were unaware of.
@doopayo Not to start anything, but I just want to understand something. You said in one comment that non-Asians don't have a right to say whether or not something is racist against Asians because they're not in their shoes, yet say you're not Asian in another comment, and your entire argument is talking about how this makeup trend and some other things are racist against Asians. But, if going by what you said, non-Asians aren't allowed to dictate whether something is or isn't racist towards Asians, are you really allowed to say that? I'm just going by your own logic, here. Again, not trying to be rude, I'd just like to understand where you are coming from.
@aWes0MeNeSs
Can you imagine how difficult it is to be a 15 year old black girl in America?
I honestly didn't stop to consider who I was arguing with, but that really helped me understand where she was coming from a lot better than I did before.
What I should have said was "we don't mean any harm, we just think you're really pretty and we want to be more like you"
She was 5 years old when I was a Scene kid wearing eyeliner in public, so she can't possibly know where that trend actually came from.
I came at this discussion all sorts of the wrong way and I actually feel pretty bad about it.
@aWes0MeNeSs I literally explained that you should listen to Asian voices, I've listened to many Asians and a lot talk about Asian fishing as a problem. That’s exactly why I said it’s racist and the other things I said are blatantly racist. I said gas lighting an Asian person and trying to tell them what their experience wasn’t when you aren’t in their shows is stupid
Her experience was that she watched a video about it where someone else said it was racist.
If she had actually experienced someone attacking her with the way they wore their eyeliner she wouldn't have started with "I saw a video"
I could make a video saying that breathing is racist but that wouldn't mean that it is.
It's important to pay attention to where you get your information from and ask yourself if it makes sense or not.
@Lost_in_the_Woods at this point you’re just purposely misinterpreting me or you’re genuinely this stupid. I never said I watched a video about it. I’ve watched videos, read articles, read actually shit that’s happened, and have listened to my Asian friends experiences
@doopayo This was what you said, word for word: "Lastly, if you aren’t Asian you don’t have a place to say whether you find it racist or not because you aren’t in their walk of life in the first place"
So, does that apply to all non-Asians, and to anything that is said to be racist or not racist against them?
@doopayo
You said you weren't trying to decide what was racist against Asians, you were basing it off your friends experiences.
The question we're replying to starts with the words "So, I just saw a video about this trend"
I'm really not trying to argue with you or misinterpret you. I want to understand your point of view because it's extremely important to me that nobody can ever make you feel like you aren't good enough.
I actually live in Charlottesville VA and I spent about 6 months working as a campus security guard, outside, all night long through the dead of winter, in the rain and the snow and the cold to make sure the KKK didn't try to come back after that whole thing happened. Most of my Coworkers were either black or Middle Eastern. It wasn't long before they were hanging out at my place after the shift. I took the job because I knew what it was like to be 15 years old, downtown by myself, in trouble, and afraid of the cops. I promise I'm not here to attack you.
I'm actually amazed by how knolodgable and well spoken you are, and I'm glad to see your passion for talking about these really complicated and difficult problems and trying to solve them.
What was the experience? Can you tell me about what it's like to experience being attacked by the shape of someone else's eyeliner? I met the guy who was on the cover of every newspaper in the country flying through the air after being hit with a Dodge Charger. We set him up with a wheelchair and looked after his crutches while he was shopping with his family. It's possible that I am misunderstanding what happened, but I really don't understand how people are being hurt by the way someone else does their makeup.
I also have an honest question. If only Asian people can decide what is racist against Asian people, what happens if the KKK decides to say that black people can't wear jeans because they were originally a staple of white America?
Would that make any black person who wore jeans a racist? Or would you think that your opinion should count and you should be allowed to wear whatever you want to?
I think your opinion should count and you should be allowed to wear whatever you want to.
I think everyone should have the freedom to do what they want so long as it doesn't hurt anybody else.
What is it that makes you think the eyeliner is hurting people? Is it just because someone made a video and said it was bad? Or have you seen your friends be hurt by it?
It’s good that you’re somewhat open minded.
The reason why the trend is harmful is because specifically especially when you see them putting their hands ontop of their face trying to make their eyes appear slanted it’s super disgusting and harmful because they’re literally doing a racist pose that historically was weaponized and used to make fun of a lot of Asian peoples natural eyes, now people are trying to turn it around and make it a trend.
Actual Asians have been bullied for having their natural eyes so it’s hurtful that these people are now altering the shape of their eyes and doing that pose. Literally mocking the Asian community/what they’ve had to go threw not only in the paste but now too with the hate crime attacks on the rise against Asians.
The Fox eye trend is an attempt to try and normalize harmful racist stereotypes as historically stuff like that has been used to fetishize, mock, and other Asian people. This is why this trend is very insulting to the Asian community.
Anti Asian violence has been on the rise almost every where around the world, so it’s crucial to look at the kind of stuff that the media might be promoting because that can have a role in peoples views.
Although it can be seen as a harmless internet trend/makeup style it’s sadly not that simple. The trends much deeper than that.
And to answer your question, I don’t really enjoy hypotheticals but I’ll make an exception.
The kkk are some evil people, I mean EVIL. I doubt they’d care about what black people wear, they’d probably be thinking of ways to kill black people cause *their core beliefs revolve around “ethnic cleansing/“ they want a completely white ethno state, so they have “better” things to worry about than jeans.
Jeans also aren’t culturally significant to only white people, my knowledge on jeans is rusty but I’m pretty sure they were invented in the 70s by Levi Strauss. But they were originally designed for miners, they only got popular for casual wear Later on
Your response is essentially to say "nothing is culturally significant to other people unless I say so"
Jeans absolutely are culturally significant to white people and have been for an extremely long time.
But, you still didn't answer my question. According to you, you don't get a say on what is or isn't racist against white people. So, your opinion doesn't really come I to the question.
By saying that, you still wouldn't think jeans were racist because other people wear them too and it's obvious not a targeted attack on white culture, you really make my point for me.
So, I'm just going to say I'm glad we agree that white people can't just suddenly call something that has been around forever racist.
If we're all equal, Asian people can't do that either.
So here's my next question.
Why do you think it's a new trend that is targeted at Asians? And, what makes you think that it's an attack or an insult? You keep saying that "it's a new trend designed to normalize racism against Asians" but it just isn't.
You have no evidence of either claim.
It's a trend that has been around in many cultures for thousands of years. The ancient Egyptians were doing it before they had ever SEEN an Asian person or knee they existed.
You're just avoiding the question.
Tell me who you saw get hurt by someone else's eyeliner and how.
And tell me what makes you think that people are doing it to hurt Asians.
Again, keep in mind that people have been doing this for thousands of years, and this is the first time I have ever heard anyone say it's an attack on Asian people.
Have you ever seen someone wearing eyeliner like that be mean to Asian people? Have you actually seen an Asian person get hurt by it?
Or did you just hear someone say it's racist so now you think it's racist?
If I don't like your T-shirt it doesn't mean you are racist. How did the eyeliner hurt someone, and what makes you think that was the intent of the person wearing it?
Also, assuming it is intended to "make them look Asian" (which I still don't see any evidence of.)
How is that an attack?
Are black girls who straighten their hair racist too?
If someone wants to be more like you, why would you Immediately assume they are racist? That seems really bizare and makes me think you are the one who is actually racist.
Imagine if a black girl decided to straighten her hair, die it blonde, start wearing cardigans and doing Taylor Swift covers and I attacked her for it saying "black girls aren't allowed to do that because they aren't white and that's an insult to white people"
Who would be racist then? The black girl who wants to be more like Taylor Swift? Or the white person who says she isn't allowed to dress how she wants because of her race? 🤔
What makes you think people are doing that makeup to look like Asian people when the Egyptians were doing it before they even knew Asian people existed?
And if they are, what makes you think that trying to look Asian is an attack on Asian people?
Imagine if I walked up to a little black kid dressed up like Thor and called him racist because black kids aren't allowed to dress up as white super heroes because that is an insult to white culture.
You won't think the kid was racist for trying to look like s white person. You would think I was racist for saying he wasn't allowed to.
I'm very open minded. But saying that anyone who wants to have something in common with you is wrong is an extremely closed minded point of view.
Demanding racial purity in the name of equality is a really truly strange stance that I have never seen anyone take before.
I have long, straight, blonde hair.
If I saw a black girl who had long straight blonde hair, I wouldn't think she was racist. I would say "hey, you have really pretty hair"
And she might say "hey you too" and then we'd fist bump and be friends.
How is that anything like racist? Why would you say "NO! you aren't allowed to do that because you are the wrong color!" and then claim the other person was the racist?
That's a really weird stance. I'm concerned that you will end up causing yourself a lot of grief when most people would make a new friend because they had something in common.
Here are some actual Asian creators you can watch to learn about the issue, I don’t feel like repeating the same exact thing over and over just for you to send bs hypotheticals.
You can find proof on google.. it’s not that hard and I’ve explained, you’re blatantly ignoring it for some reason.
This thread went no where
So what you are saying is that you can't answer any of those questions yourself because you are just getting this from a video someone else posted on the internet and not any actual evidence or personal experience.
Im glad we can at least agree on that much.
Like I said, you have to be careful who you let put thoughts in your head.
You're 15. The world is an enormous mess. There is absolutely no reason to be so hard on yourself.
You will always be worth my time if you decide you actually do want to talk about it.
This question makes me hate more people. If you don't like it just say you don't. Don't go looking for justice warriors to validate your opinion because you feel damaged by a trend. How does this trend personally affect you? How does this trend personally attack you? Who's using it as an attack against you? Why do you feel like you personally are attacked by a fashion trend? Do you have better things to do?
Are they using it as an attack or are they experimenting to make their eyes look better? Does it make you feel better or worse that Kylie Jenner and Bella Hadid wish they have eyes like yours?
Kylie Jenner? I thought she's blackfishing
First off eyeliner in that fashion is Arabic not Asian. It originated to detract from the sun's glare and 90% of eastern Asiatic countries don't get anywhere near the sun level to warrant any heavy eyeliner usage.
Second "slanted" eyes is not solely an easy Asian trait. Finnish people, who it has been proven are not Asiatic, are a prime example. Followed by people in the Scandinavian countries and even in areas in the UK such as eastern Scotland and remote parts of Ireland.
Third aboriginals/native Americans can also have slanted eyes and depending on their ancestry Hispanics can have aboriginal ancestry and thus slanted eyes.
So bluntly put unless someone is pulling at their eyes like the fat fuck with the Korean woman by her looks or the soccer player mocking his rival get over yourself.
I think it’s beautiful but not necessarily flattering for everyone. But just like any trend it will pass, people just want to have fun and be expressive. As for the ones surgically changing their face it’s unfortunate if it’s not flattering for their face/eye shape but if it’s just makeup or temporary then it’s not bad. As for the racist undertones I would agree that the same people that bash others for their looks will turn around and copy the features they find attractive. As a black woman this is not surprising to me and it’s unfortunate this still goes on. Most trends that are made famous by various white celebrities are “inspired” from another’s culture.
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It isn't Asian fishing though because almost every race have people with slanted eyes. Also when they do the eyeliner for a fox eye it doesn't even look the same as someone that is Korean, Japanese or Chinese etc. The most they are appropriating are the shape of the animal fox's eyes lmao.
It does make your eyes look longer but I’m not sure they’re trying to look Asian I feel like they’re probably just trying to look like Kendall Jenner or Gigi Hadid. Drawing eyeliner around the inner corners looks Arabic to me
I agree with you. I believe the fox eye can be done as long as you aren’t purposefully altering the natural shape of your eye to make them appear slanted. Especially the Asian fishers that will go and profit off of Asian culture, it’s not ok
personally i really like the fox eye makeup trend. i think it shows how we've all evolved as a community and having those Asians eyes are so hot! and I'm not just saying this because its trendy, I genuinely mean it having them myself. plus with the rise in the Korean art industry, its really making a statement each day.
You are justified in being uncomfortable with this new “trend”. People are just insensitive. It’s similar thing to the braids and dreads controversy for the black culture. It’s actually even worse because people are mimicking the physical traits of a culture for “fashion” or bc it’s “trending”. People don’t see the problem because they don’t want to see. They lash out because they do not understand and do not want to understand.
Asian fishing? Can't people just enjoy stuff without it becoming offensive to somebody possibly? This is not at all new. People have been doing this to their eyes since the dawn of time.
Why they pulling their eyes like that? It looks stupid.
Asian? They look nothing like Indians, Turkish people, Persians or Arabs. Why are you being so racist by excluding half the continent?
Yeah, I know, just as irrational as you are being. Stop trolling.
Weren't the Egyptians don't that thousands of years ago?
Yes. And I'm pretty sure they didn't even know Asia existed.
Marco Polo made the first widely known contact between Europe and China in about 1300
Cleopatra died when Rome conquered Egypt about 1600 years before that.
The Egyptians did have boats and do some exploring over to the other side of the Mediterranean, and there is evidence to suguest that some Europeans had migrated to Western China as early as 200bce but... It's unlikely any of them made the trek back to Italy.
And even if they did, that gives a very small window for one of the Europeans to migrate back to Italy, happen to meet one of the few Egyptian explorers, and be able to communicate well enough to explain to them what china was like.
Aisa is enormous. I can't imagine anybody walked through the desert all the way from Egypt to China and back before the Romans took over. And the few seafaring explorers in the Mediterranean wouldn't have gone far from their boats.
From my research I'd conclude that they were doing the makeup for centuries before they could possibly have known what a Chinese person looked like. It seems extremely unlikely to me that the Egyptians ever knew china even existed.
as an Asian i don’t like this trend but i think there’s nothing i can do
You right, there's nothing we can do
When you stop getting double eyelids we will stop using cat eye 😂
Umm, you know if some of Asian people have their own double eyelids since they born? Yeah...
And some white people don’t do cat eye, to each their own.
Both in your books would be classified as cultural appropriation if you are being fair. Unless, of course, you are saying it’s fine for Asians to try and be more Caucasian but it’s not fine for Caucasians to be more Asian?
If that is the case then YOU are the racist because you are saying people can’t do something based solely on their race.
Really out here labeling this as racism when people used to be seen as property because of the colour of their skin.
LMAOO Call your tittles sweetie. Nobody wants to look Asian.
It’s just make up, they can do whatever style they want
Asianfishing lmfao are you serious? Just stop
Jesus christ not everything is racist. Grow up.
I see it as more middle eastern than Asian.
Nothing to do with race at all
It looks cool I think
Lol what trama? XD You're a thirty catfish.
And Cleopatra?
pass
Shut up.
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