Fuck society. I think it's unacceptable that people have been led to believe their own bodies are so gross they have to spend money cutting and painting and rubbing chemicals on them.
Soap is great, I'm not against soap. But anyone who think's I have a problem for thinking women are naturally beautiful and attractive is hopelessly confused.
Don't waste your time and money waiting for their approval, use your rejection of their fabricated expectations to filter potential candidates. You don't want these idiots to love you, they only love people who are as fake as they are. Be yourself and let one of us love you for you and not the money you wasted at Sephora.
If you're allowed to have surgery to turn your vagina inside out and put it in someone's anus, you're allowed to leave your body alone and let it be beautiful the way it is. I have always felt this way, and I don't care if they accept it or not. You don't need someone's permission to grow armpit hair, but they sure as shit need your permission to cut it off or convince you that it's not okay.
It's always been acceptable, most people just can't accept themselves, and that isn't your problem. ;)
Why do 60% of men think it should not be social acceptable? If a female body should not be social acceptable, why should be short, hairy, bald, fat etc. men be acceptable? I am confused. We all say that short, hairy men should not be bodyshamed, or they should be accepted by the society but hairy women should bodyshamed (?). Maybe i dont understand it. You can prefere shaven women, but you can't bodyshane hairy women. If you think bodyshaming a woman with natural female body hair is ok, then dont complain when you get bodyshamed for being hairy, short, not handsome, etc. So dont be hypocritical. I mean why do 60% of men think that it should not be social acceptable. Why should that mean? I was bullied for my hairy body as a kid. So this was ok? Again it is perfectly ok if you prefere shaven women but why do you think that it should be socially unacceptable. Many girls who dont shave get insulted, get disgusting comments or even get bullied. We just want people to stop bully us for having natural bodyhair and we dont expect from men to change their physical preferences. I personally would shave myself for my partner but i dont think i should be bodyshamed just because i decide to not shave. It is also not unhygienic, and hairy men are also not unhygienic lol
I was surprised at the amount thinking it shouldn't be okay as well. But I think they haven't thought it through.. it is a bit of a trick-question, I think.
If it became socially acceptable.. statistically a big part of these men would think it is acceptable. So I'd assume they just dont find it acceptable now and have a hard time finding it acceptable in the future based on how they feel now.
But really, I would claim that this question is more about if we'd wish it to be different and ofc since it entails me changing my own preferences as well, through norms. Yes lets change it. I want to be attracted to that. But I admit atm I am not.
You should not even try to change your preferences. It is perfectly ok to have physical preferences. The problem is that non shaven women get bodyshamed for example if body hair is socially unacceptable. Maybe many men thought that they will be pressured to date non shaven women if it gets socially acceptable. If this is the case, then i understand them. People's dating preferences should be respected but this is a taboo topic since people who admit to have physical preferences get shamed in my experience.
Ah, but I don't think preferences are set in stone. Just as people and who they are isn't. I agree that having preferences is enevitable and in the now we should respect it, because preferences are very rarely based on our own rational choices but on feelings, associations and norm-complexities. in my opinion. It's not directly their fault how they feel about it.
But like many things people change. I for example have had many different preferences over the years ranging from very superficial standards to deeper personal levels. Some things change because I gain a broader understanding of society, humanity, myself and the perspectives of other people. And some things, like the superficial stuff just shift depending on what I associate it with.
I don't think we have a choice in changing or not, but I do think we have a choice in steering it one way or another little by little. Just like the difference between who we are and who we want to become by improving on our faults.
by the way, Im not mad for disagreeing. I know a lot of people take disagreeing super personal.. just saying so you dont assume.đđ¤
As for the norms of acceptability.. shaming and so.. i guess Im not sure about how it is because I don't see it much around me, openly shaming I mean. I guess an obese person could argue that they've been shamed when they got rejected. But that is preference, so not shaming.
But I must admit now that I think on it, that I sometimes feel disgusted being around specific obese people.. for no good reason. Im not mean towards them but I might avoid them. And they may feel that. Is that shaming?
Obviously you canât control how your hair grows, you can shave it though or trim it. Shitting is natural doesnât mean you just take a fat shit out in public. Body hair is gross, having over grown body hair is a sign that you donât take care of yourself
@Subarugirl Just because something is natural, doesn't mean it's hygienic or can't play a role in becoming unhygienic. Hair itself is natural and serves to protect parts of the body, doesn't mean it cannot become a paradise for bacteria. Things need to be controlled before they get out of hand. This same rule applies to men.
With your logic, I might as well never take a shower if that means removing natural oils from my body.
Definitely should be normalized. Its the way a woman is naturally so how could that be manly? And if itunhygienic then men should do the same. I think the biggest issue is that its all or nothing mentality. Eg. men can shave their beard but they might not or they can trim it or do whatever the fuck they wanna do w teir hair. I think that should be like that women too, freedom to choose and not be shamed for either. Id wish society at least normalize having stubble and a bit of hair, not having expectation that we are always smooth, thats wayy too much for anyone to maintain all the time and unrealistic.
@Bluemax People are being brainwashed that something is unattractive, same w trends N trust me all these men finding it unattractive only in their heads, they fuck a hot girl n wouldbt care if she had body hair, trust me
Personally I donât care. If body hair is something you wish to have, then just do it. Itâs no didnât than someone having a ton of tattoos or piercings or even pink hair. You want to have body hair? Thatâs your business. I think people need to just stop expecting things to be socially acceptable and just do as they please
Voted DI don't care whether it's socially acceptable or not... It's disgusting and I'm keeping shaved I don't give a damn if it becomes the next in trend... Its ONE trend I WILL NOT FOLLOW! THERE'S ALWAYS going to be people who will think it's gross because from the beginning of time woman have tried everything possible to have body hair removed! Hair removal isn't a current trend It's been around since before CleopatraAnother thing that proves how long hair has been removed look at the Greek statues! The ladies and hairless! Removing hair is nothing new. From the beginning of our existence we have tried to remove it!
Literary references are more reliable than statues, since a lot of body hair can't be sculpted. But literary references support your view. In his voyages in the South Pacific, Cook wrote that Polynesian women shaved their legs... and they didn't even have metal working! They used mussel shells instead.
Although women have body hair in their natural state, they have LESS hair than men. In some races the differences are greater than others.
One theory postulates that things that accentuate the differences in sexual dimorphism are considered more attractive.
I've known women that already have done this, so I don't know that it isn't acceptable. If what you are asking is when will it be okay with everybody, then that will never happen. It may tip more in favor or less in favor at different times. I believe shaving started with prostitutes, shaving made it so lice and crabs were not spread as husbands did not want to be caught for going to brothels or whatever. Then it became popularized. But I wonder, since women grow hair everywhere like men do, if facial hair for women will ever be less criticized?
It's like he's trying to force everyone to be attracted to it.. it's the equivalent of a girl asking. "when will all girls be attracted to men with beards". Like, you can't force people to be attracted to what they find gross
@Snsns I don't know if I'd use the term "gross", for hair or not hair. If they are greasy and dirty regularly.. than yes... gross. Hair on the head is more normalized, I would only call that gross if, again, it was greasy or dirty. Just because a person does not find a thing attractive, does not make it "gross".
Society's opinion on what looks good and what doesn't changes a fair amount over time. With that being said I don't think body hair on women is a good look. I always shave mine. If another woman wants to grow body hair she's more then free too. I just think it's a bad look. She can disagree with me. That's just how I see it (and a lot of other people see it) Also, if you're in an intimate physical relationship with someone you can't expect that person to go down on you if you've got a big hairy bush growing everywhere. I wouldn't give my husband BJs if his penis was all covered with hair. I can't expect him to feel any differently.
Lol, anyways. Socially acceptable is such a weird idea. Let people do what they wanna do. Theyâll find people who donât care. Itâs all about preference anyways.
It used to be acceptable. Women didnât originally shave. It protected their bodies from the harsh environments. The idea of waxing came out because women wanted to be desired the same way that men liked little girls, back when it was the norm to marry 12 year olds. Hairless bodies = youth aka more desirable Bc more babies could be created.
Itâs slowly transitioned into a normal thing that women are taught to do to look more feminine. I personally do shave almost everything. Armpits, legs, arm hair, even peach fuzz on my face, but I do leave a landing strip.. down there.. lol because my boyfriend likes it and it makes me feel sexy.
On men, I prefer hair as long as itâs kept well. Legs, arms, happy trails, chest, trimmed bush. I like the feel of a man.
Hey man, to each their own! If you enjoy waxing then go for it. I know some girls hate body hair on guys. I personally love it. Itâs all preference.
My skin is super soft but I think that has more to do with body oils and lotions and good hygiene, because Iâve met some girls with no hair on their legs but their skin feels dry. Definitely gotta moisturize on top of a bare bod
"The idea of waxing came out because women wanted to be desired the same way that men liked little girls, back when it was the norm to marry 12 year olds. Hairless bodies = youth aka more desirable Bc more babies could be created." That might be how this whole thing started. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this were true.
Personally I do not like having body hair at all. So regardless of the fashions, I would continue to remove it.
That said, itâs clear there is a sexist double standard at play here. Iâm conflicted, because while I think women should not be judged for body hair any more than a man, I have to admit I get grossed out when I see armpit hair on a woman. So if itâs sexist that there is a double standard, my own tastes are sexist.
Another possibility is itâs just really primitive evolutionary biology⌠we associate hair with masculinity, since men grow beards. So the lizard brain - rightly or wrongly - registers body hair on a woman as âunfeminineâ. Which is stupid, because all women have body hair, and shaving doesnât alter your hormones to give you less testosterone.
I don't care if it becomes "socially" acceptable, but it will never be acceptable to me.
Hairy legs? Eewww. Underarm hair? Nah. Tumbleweeds sticking out of her bikini bottom? Nope.
I've even become a big fan of shaving or waxing pubes. Unbearded coochies are adorable, and they are so much more pleasurable to lick.
Considering the fact that women's faces and bodies are almost entirely smooth and devoid of hair, the hair that does grow on parts of their bodies seems incongruous. I don't like it. I want a woman to be silky smooth. And to those who say otherwise, I'll ask if it's unnatural for guys to shave their faces?
Much of the thing with social acceptance is about our own bodyimage and the way we resist others ideas about us. Men can have their hairy legs, chest, back and so on because we allow it for ourselves, we normalize it, but most importantly we aren't ashamed of it. And frankly, I don't think men are as judged superficially as women are, generally ofc. That way we aren't as constrained by norms..
If more women decided to take the path of pro-bodyhair it would be more acceptable in time. If all did it, men would get used to it and a new norm would come to be.
Body hair or lack thereof IS âsociallyâ acceptable but these stupid & selfish ass feminists think they can change male attraction preferences. Itâs like telling all women that they should be forced into liking short guys (and being short is completely out of manâs control but women still judge).
Of course itâs âsociallyâ acceptable for a man to be short but he canât force female preferences and neither should women vice versa.
I swear if men generally preferred hairy women instead then feminists would suddenly go all smooth. Itâs all about being defiant because they have nothing better to do.
As a more mature woman, when I was young and reaching puberty I couldn't wait to get hair on my private parts, I was so proud and so were my friends. When it started to grow we'd tell eachother and compare our growth, also the boys liked to go with girls that had a bush. I've never shaved my pussy and lots of men like it
It just depends on how horrible it can look. Just like anything in life, some looks worse than others.
in particularly leg hair usually doesnât look great on a woman.
I think arm usually is super faint on women and is actually kind of cute and see no problem with it.
underarm hair usually doesnât look bad, but I guess some it might not look good on.
and pubic hair can be super sexy.
all it is, like everything else, is grooming. Not every guy looks good in a beard. They get mocked names like âneck beardâ if someone finds your styling of your beard to be unkempt and not well taken care of. And on top of that they associate the name with a certain stigma probed to an assortment of beliefs and behaviors
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It should be. I have gone out with unshaved legs many times. Personally, I like to have shaved legs and armpits, but if other girls prefer not to shave then thatâs completely ok! It can be tiring having to shave all the time. Especially during the cold weather when no oneâs gonna see your legs anyways. I barely even shave my arm hair as I kinda like how they look with a bit of hair. Anyways, just let us do what we want. If you donât like it then too bad! Lol
I think people should be accepted the way they feel more comfortable with themselves. It isn't someone elses decision but your own, will that ever happen? I seriously doubt it because people are always trying to please society's views of themselves. Specially because of social media. They post things and expect or decire likes and dislikes rather than just doing them for themselves.. I am the way i am and no one can change that. I have chest hair and I'm comfortable with it even if people dont like it. I'm not going to wax it off because that is the trend right now. And neither should you.
I have my preference but I'm not going to think anything of someone that doesn't meet that preference. People can do what they want, not everyone is going to like it which ever way they go. People need to stop worrying what everyone else thinks and just get on with being themselves.
I think it borders on hygiene because the hair traps odor and sweat more, especially under armpits. I'd personally shave, but as long as one doesn't smell bad, I don't give a shit. I don't like a lot of body hair on men either, I think it's unhygienic and gross.
By that logic men should be shaving their pits and legs too... body hair isn't gross or dirty or masculine. It's totally natural and isn't a reflection on hygiene
@vigors itâs a âshitty opinionâ that got upvoted 9 times.
Seriously man what are you? Are you really a progressive female masquerading as a man on here? Or are you a male feminist (you are not going to be popular on here).
At best you just have a weird fetish for hairy women. Alright good for you. But really why are you pushing this point. Most men (and women) get turned off at the sight of a woman with hairy armpits and legs.
Yes itâs a pain in the ass to shave. But men have to deal with all sorts of other bs when it comes to dating. If you are really a man you would know that.
I don't find a woman who doesn't groom appealing. But to each their own. If a woman wants to be all bushy, then by all means go for it. Just don't complain that you will turn most men off and that many of them will ditch you for a woman who DOES groom and giving priority to her hygiene. I'm fortunate to have found a girl who waxes and shaves on the regular. Not only for her hygiene, but because she wants to look sexy for me.
If I want a hairy partner, I might as well go date a man.
@snackthatsmilesback Of course I do. I groom, workout and make sure that my clothes fit my body. Hence why I happen to stand out from the average Joe. at least that's what I'm told
Okay cool, same. I was worried you were gonna be hypocritical about the issue, but you keep clean shaven and everything so you don't have bad hygiene, so that's good. It does make you stand out compared to a lot of men.
@snackthatsmilesback Yeah I know. Fortunately, I'm not that guy who works with double standards. I live up to the requirements and standards I set for others. For example, since I'm in very good shape and pay attention to my health as well, I would not accept anything less from a girl I would date. You won't see me walking with a chubby/fat/obese woman. It's not like I'm fat myself and refuse to date girls unless they have supermodel bodies. Same goes for refusing to date anyone who smokes, because I'm not a smoker myself.
But yeah I understand you. Too many hypocrites who don't live up to their own requirements. While they have a laundrylist of requirements for the other person, they themselves don't even know what they bring to the table
Whether it should be "socially acceptable" or not doesn't matter because people are still entitled to their opinion on whether they find body hair attractive or not.. you can't force men to be attracted to something they are not attracted to.. we will always have the freedom of personal preference... What do you mean by socially acceptable anyway? Girls are allowed to have body hair... It's not like if you see a woman with hairy armpits at a beach men will be like "eww, have a shave you gorilla". We will say nothing... We will jus find it unnatracrtive in our mind.. and we are allowed to do that... So I don't know what you mean by socially acceptable because it already is... It's jus unnatracrtive.. to most men...
Sorry about all that shit. I Should have jus left an opinion respectfully without so much passive aggression and being a dick. Don't know what got into me.. Maybe it's cos my life is shit, maybe it's cos I was jus born with the personality of a angry asshole.. sorry
lol the amount of men and girls on here intimidated and grossed out by a normal body function is disturbing... no one mention bowel movements or periods or they might explode!
@Subarugirl made the mistake of reading some of the replies, fuck me you would think it was something horrendous. Obviously none of those have been on summer holidays in Germany, Italy, France etc. Amazed that itâs a âoh not dating themâ thing, no wonder so many guys are single and bloody virgins.
@Subarugirl I can imagine it at a nightclub, some of the answerers going around asking girls to lift their arms before they dance with them.đđđđ
@Subarugirl no one is âforcingâ women to shave. There isnât some sort of sharia shaving law bs in the western world. Instead feminist think they are challenging âpatriarchyâ by defying male preferences. They make disgustingly sick comparisons to pedophilia when men want smooth legs. Thatâs just a sick and deranged cheap shot.
@globetrotter22 actually itâs a correlation between looking prepubescent. Which is valid to a degree. How ever shaving used to be just for men until razor companies figured out that they could double their customer base.
Also it is very much pushed by fashion through the ages, at some point it became socially acceptable to wear tops that showed under the arms (fuck knows when), it then became a social thing to have shaved arm pits. It was always a piss take that German women never shaved, which I must say often has been the case. Russian girls Iâve met in Cyprus and Black Sea area, also seemed to be partial to under arm hair.
Marketing, Advertising, Fashion, social media etc are all the powers forcing everyone to comply.
