Fuck society. I think it's unacceptable that people have been led to believe their own bodies are so gross they have to spend money cutting and painting and rubbing chemicals on them.
Soap is great, I'm not against soap. But anyone who think's I have a problem for thinking women are naturally beautiful and attractive is hopelessly confused.
Don't waste your time and money waiting for their approval, use your rejection of their fabricated expectations to filter potential candidates. You don't want these idiots to love you, they only love people who are as fake as they are. Be yourself and let one of us love you for you and not the money you wasted at Sephora.
If you're allowed to have surgery to turn your vagina inside out and put it in someone's anus, you're allowed to leave your body alone and let it be beautiful the way it is. I have always felt this way, and I don't care if they accept it or not. You don't need someone's permission to grow armpit hair, but they sure as shit need your permission to cut it off or convince you that it's not okay.
It's always been acceptable, most people just can't accept themselves, and that isn't your problem. ;)
Why do 60% of men think it should not be social acceptable? If a female body should not be social acceptable, why should be short, hairy, bald, fat etc. men be acceptable? I am confused. We all say that short, hairy men should not be bodyshamed, or they should be accepted by the society but hairy women should bodyshamed (?). Maybe i dont understand it. You can prefere shaven women, but you can't bodyshane hairy women. If you think bodyshaming a woman with natural female body hair is ok, then dont complain when you get bodyshamed for being hairy, short, not handsome, etc. So dont be hypocritical. I mean why do 60% of men think that it should not be social acceptable. Why should that mean? I was bullied for my hairy body as a kid. So this was ok? Again it is perfectly ok if you prefere shaven women but why do you think that it should be socially unacceptable. Many girls who dont shave get insulted, get disgusting comments or even get bullied. We just want people to stop bully us for having natural bodyhair and we dont expect from men to change their physical preferences. I personally would shave myself for my partner but i dont think i should be bodyshamed just because i decide to not shave. It is also not unhygienic, and hairy men are also not unhygienic lol
I was surprised at the amount thinking it shouldn't be okay as well. But I think they haven't thought it through.. it is a bit of a trick-question, I think.
If it became socially acceptable.. statistically a big part of these men would think it is acceptable. So I'd assume they just dont find it acceptable now and have a hard time finding it acceptable in the future based on how they feel now.
But really, I would claim that this question is more about if we'd wish it to be different and ofc since it entails me changing my own preferences as well, through norms. Yes lets change it. I want to be attracted to that. But I admit atm I am not.
You should not even try to change your preferences. It is perfectly ok to have physical preferences. The problem is that non shaven women get bodyshamed for example if body hair is socially unacceptable. Maybe many men thought that they will be pressured to date non shaven women if it gets socially acceptable. If this is the case, then i understand them. People's dating preferences should be respected but this is a taboo topic since people who admit to have physical preferences get shamed in my experience.
Ah, but I don't think preferences are set in stone. Just as people and who they are isn't. I agree that having preferences is enevitable and in the now we should respect it, because preferences are very rarely based on our own rational choices but on feelings, associations and norm-complexities. in my opinion. It's not directly their fault how they feel about it.
But like many things people change. I for example have had many different preferences over the years ranging from very superficial standards to deeper personal levels. Some things change because I gain a broader understanding of society, humanity, myself and the perspectives of other people. And some things, like the superficial stuff just shift depending on what I associate it with.
I don't think we have a choice in changing or not, but I do think we have a choice in steering it one way or another little by little. Just like the difference between who we are and who we want to become by improving on our faults.
by the way, Im not mad for disagreeing. I know a lot of people take disagreeing super personal.. just saying so you dont assume.😁🤔
As for the norms of acceptability.. shaming and so.. i guess Im not sure about how it is because I don't see it much around me, openly shaming I mean. I guess an obese person could argue that they've been shamed when they got rejected. But that is preference, so not shaming.
But I must admit now that I think on it, that I sometimes feel disgusted being around specific obese people.. for no good reason. Im not mean towards them but I might avoid them. And they may feel that. Is that shaming?
Obviously you can’t control how your hair grows, you can shave it though or trim it. Shitting is natural doesn’t mean you just take a fat shit out in public. Body hair is gross, having over grown body hair is a sign that you don’t take care of yourself
@Subarugirl Just because something is natural, doesn't mean it's hygienic or can't play a role in becoming unhygienic. Hair itself is natural and serves to protect parts of the body, doesn't mean it cannot become a paradise for bacteria. Things need to be controlled before they get out of hand. This same rule applies to men.
With your logic, I might as well never take a shower if that means removing natural oils from my body.
Definitely should be normalized. Its the way a woman is naturally so how could that be manly? And if itunhygienic then men should do the same. I think the biggest issue is that its all or nothing mentality. Eg. men can shave their beard but they might not or they can trim it or do whatever the fuck they wanna do w teir hair. I think that should be like that women too, freedom to choose and not be shamed for either. Id wish society at least normalize having stubble and a bit of hair, not having expectation that we are always smooth, thats wayy too much for anyone to maintain all the time and unrealistic.
@Bluemax People are being brainwashed that something is unattractive, same w trends N trust me all these men finding it unattractive only in their heads, they fuck a hot girl n wouldbt care if she had body hair, trust me
Personally I don’t care. If body hair is something you wish to have, then just do it. It’s no didn’t than someone having a ton of tattoos or piercings or even pink hair. You want to have body hair? That’s your business. I think people need to just stop expecting things to be socially acceptable and just do as they please
Voted DI don't care whether it's socially acceptable or not... It's disgusting and I'm keeping shaved I don't give a damn if it becomes the next in trend... Its ONE trend I WILL NOT FOLLOW! THERE'S ALWAYS going to be people who will think it's gross because from the beginning of time woman have tried everything possible to have body hair removed! Hair removal isn't a current trend It's been around since before CleopatraAnother thing that proves how long hair has been removed look at the Greek statues! The ladies and hairless! Removing hair is nothing new. From the beginning of our existence we have tried to remove it!
Literary references are more reliable than statues, since a lot of body hair can't be sculpted. But literary references support your view. In his voyages in the South Pacific, Cook wrote that Polynesian women shaved their legs... and they didn't even have metal working! They used mussel shells instead.
Although women have body hair in their natural state, they have LESS hair than men. In some races the differences are greater than others.
One theory postulates that things that accentuate the differences in sexual dimorphism are considered more attractive.
I've known women that already have done this, so I don't know that it isn't acceptable. If what you are asking is when will it be okay with everybody, then that will never happen. It may tip more in favor or less in favor at different times. I believe shaving started with prostitutes, shaving made it so lice and crabs were not spread as husbands did not want to be caught for going to brothels or whatever. Then it became popularized. But I wonder, since women grow hair everywhere like men do, if facial hair for women will ever be less criticized?
It's like he's trying to force everyone to be attracted to it.. it's the equivalent of a girl asking. "when will all girls be attracted to men with beards". Like, you can't force people to be attracted to what they find gross
@Snsns I don't know if I'd use the term "gross", for hair or not hair. If they are greasy and dirty regularly.. than yes... gross. Hair on the head is more normalized, I would only call that gross if, again, it was greasy or dirty. Just because a person does not find a thing attractive, does not make it "gross".
Society's opinion on what looks good and what doesn't changes a fair amount over time. With that being said I don't think body hair on women is a good look. I always shave mine. If another woman wants to grow body hair she's more then free too. I just think it's a bad look. She can disagree with me. That's just how I see it (and a lot of other people see it) Also, if you're in an intimate physical relationship with someone you can't expect that person to go down on you if you've got a big hairy bush growing everywhere. I wouldn't give my husband BJs if his penis was all covered with hair. I can't expect him to feel any differently.
Lol, anyways. Socially acceptable is such a weird idea. Let people do what they wanna do. They’ll find people who don’t care. It’s all about preference anyways.
It used to be acceptable. Women didn’t originally shave. It protected their bodies from the harsh environments. The idea of waxing came out because women wanted to be desired the same way that men liked little girls, back when it was the norm to marry 12 year olds. Hairless bodies = youth aka more desirable Bc more babies could be created.
It’s slowly transitioned into a normal thing that women are taught to do to look more feminine. I personally do shave almost everything. Armpits, legs, arm hair, even peach fuzz on my face, but I do leave a landing strip.. down there.. lol because my boyfriend likes it and it makes me feel sexy.
On men, I prefer hair as long as it’s kept well. Legs, arms, happy trails, chest, trimmed bush. I like the feel of a man.
Hey man, to each their own! If you enjoy waxing then go for it. I know some girls hate body hair on guys. I personally love it. It’s all preference.
My skin is super soft but I think that has more to do with body oils and lotions and good hygiene, because I’ve met some girls with no hair on their legs but their skin feels dry. Definitely gotta moisturize on top of a bare bod
"The idea of waxing came out because women wanted to be desired the same way that men liked little girls, back when it was the norm to marry 12 year olds. Hairless bodies = youth aka more desirable Bc more babies could be created." That might be how this whole thing started. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this were true.
Personally I do not like having body hair at all. So regardless of the fashions, I would continue to remove it.
That said, it’s clear there is a sexist double standard at play here. I’m conflicted, because while I think women should not be judged for body hair any more than a man, I have to admit I get grossed out when I see armpit hair on a woman. So if it’s sexist that there is a double standard, my own tastes are sexist.
Another possibility is it’s just really primitive evolutionary biology… we associate hair with masculinity, since men grow beards. So the lizard brain - rightly or wrongly - registers body hair on a woman as ‘unfeminine’. Which is stupid, because all women have body hair, and shaving doesn’t alter your hormones to give you less testosterone.
I don't care if it becomes "socially" acceptable, but it will never be acceptable to me.
Hairy legs? Eewww. Underarm hair? Nah. Tumbleweeds sticking out of her bikini bottom? Nope.
I've even become a big fan of shaving or waxing pubes. Unbearded coochies are adorable, and they are so much more pleasurable to lick.
Considering the fact that women's faces and bodies are almost entirely smooth and devoid of hair, the hair that does grow on parts of their bodies seems incongruous. I don't like it. I want a woman to be silky smooth. And to those who say otherwise, I'll ask if it's unnatural for guys to shave their faces?
Much of the thing with social acceptance is about our own bodyimage and the way we resist others ideas about us. Men can have their hairy legs, chest, back and so on because we allow it for ourselves, we normalize it, but most importantly we aren't ashamed of it. And frankly, I don't think men are as judged superficially as women are, generally ofc. That way we aren't as constrained by norms..
If more women decided to take the path of pro-bodyhair it would be more acceptable in time. If all did it, men would get used to it and a new norm would come to be.
Body hair or lack thereof IS “socially” acceptable but these stupid & selfish ass feminists think they can change male attraction preferences. It’s like telling all women that they should be forced into liking short guys (and being short is completely out of man’s control but women still judge).
Of course it’s “socially” acceptable for a man to be short but he can’t force female preferences and neither should women vice versa.
I swear if men generally preferred hairy women instead then feminists would suddenly go all smooth. It’s all about being defiant because they have nothing better to do.
As a more mature woman, when I was young and reaching puberty I couldn't wait to get hair on my private parts, I was so proud and so were my friends. When it started to grow we'd tell eachother and compare our growth, also the boys liked to go with girls that had a bush. I've never shaved my pussy and lots of men like it
It just depends on how horrible it can look. Just like anything in life, some looks worse than others.
in particularly leg hair usually doesn’t look great on a woman.
I think arm usually is super faint on women and is actually kind of cute and see no problem with it.
underarm hair usually doesn’t look bad, but I guess some it might not look good on.
and pubic hair can be super sexy.
all it is, like everything else, is grooming. Not every guy looks good in a beard. They get mocked names like “neck beard” if someone finds your styling of your beard to be unkempt and not well taken care of. And on top of that they associate the name with a certain stigma probed to an assortment of beliefs and behaviors
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It should be. I have gone out with unshaved legs many times. Personally, I like to have shaved legs and armpits, but if other girls prefer not to shave then that’s completely ok! It can be tiring having to shave all the time. Especially during the cold weather when no one’s gonna see your legs anyways. I barely even shave my arm hair as I kinda like how they look with a bit of hair. Anyways, just let us do what we want. If you don’t like it then too bad! Lol
I think people should be accepted the way they feel more comfortable with themselves. It isn't someone elses decision but your own, will that ever happen? I seriously doubt it because people are always trying to please society's views of themselves. Specially because of social media. They post things and expect or decire likes and dislikes rather than just doing them for themselves.. I am the way i am and no one can change that. I have chest hair and I'm comfortable with it even if people dont like it. I'm not going to wax it off because that is the trend right now. And neither should you.
I have my preference but I'm not going to think anything of someone that doesn't meet that preference. People can do what they want, not everyone is going to like it which ever way they go. People need to stop worrying what everyone else thinks and just get on with being themselves.
I think it borders on hygiene because the hair traps odor and sweat more, especially under armpits. I'd personally shave, but as long as one doesn't smell bad, I don't give a shit. I don't like a lot of body hair on men either, I think it's unhygienic and gross.
By that logic men should be shaving their pits and legs too... body hair isn't gross or dirty or masculine. It's totally natural and isn't a reflection on hygiene
@vigors it’s a “shitty opinion” that got upvoted 9 times.
Seriously man what are you? Are you really a progressive female masquerading as a man on here? Or are you a male feminist (you are not going to be popular on here).
At best you just have a weird fetish for hairy women. Alright good for you. But really why are you pushing this point. Most men (and women) get turned off at the sight of a woman with hairy armpits and legs.
Yes it’s a pain in the ass to shave. But men have to deal with all sorts of other bs when it comes to dating. If you are really a man you would know that.
I don't find a woman who doesn't groom appealing. But to each their own. If a woman wants to be all bushy, then by all means go for it. Just don't complain that you will turn most men off and that many of them will ditch you for a woman who DOES groom and giving priority to her hygiene. I'm fortunate to have found a girl who waxes and shaves on the regular. Not only for her hygiene, but because she wants to look sexy for me.
If I want a hairy partner, I might as well go date a man.
@snackthatsmilesback Of course I do. I groom, workout and make sure that my clothes fit my body. Hence why I happen to stand out from the average Joe. at least that's what I'm told
Okay cool, same. I was worried you were gonna be hypocritical about the issue, but you keep clean shaven and everything so you don't have bad hygiene, so that's good. It does make you stand out compared to a lot of men.
@snackthatsmilesback Yeah I know. Fortunately, I'm not that guy who works with double standards. I live up to the requirements and standards I set for others. For example, since I'm in very good shape and pay attention to my health as well, I would not accept anything less from a girl I would date. You won't see me walking with a chubby/fat/obese woman. It's not like I'm fat myself and refuse to date girls unless they have supermodel bodies. Same goes for refusing to date anyone who smokes, because I'm not a smoker myself.
But yeah I understand you. Too many hypocrites who don't live up to their own requirements. While they have a laundrylist of requirements for the other person, they themselves don't even know what they bring to the table
Whether it should be "socially acceptable" or not doesn't matter because people are still entitled to their opinion on whether they find body hair attractive or not.. you can't force men to be attracted to something they are not attracted to.. we will always have the freedom of personal preference... What do you mean by socially acceptable anyway? Girls are allowed to have body hair... It's not like if you see a woman with hairy armpits at a beach men will be like "eww, have a shave you gorilla". We will say nothing... We will jus find it unnatracrtive in our mind.. and we are allowed to do that... So I don't know what you mean by socially acceptable because it already is... It's jus unnatracrtive.. to most men...
Sorry about all that shit. I Should have jus left an opinion respectfully without so much passive aggression and being a dick. Don't know what got into me.. Maybe it's cos my life is shit, maybe it's cos I was jus born with the personality of a angry asshole.. sorry
lol the amount of men and girls on here intimidated and grossed out by a normal body function is disturbing... no one mention bowel movements or periods or they might explode!
@Subarugirl made the mistake of reading some of the replies, fuck me you would think it was something horrendous. Obviously none of those have been on summer holidays in Germany, Italy, France etc. Amazed that it’s a ‘oh not dating them’ thing, no wonder so many guys are single and bloody virgins.
@Subarugirl no one is “forcing” women to shave. There isn’t some sort of sharia shaving law bs in the western world. Instead feminist think they are challenging “patriarchy” by defying male preferences. They make disgustingly sick comparisons to pedophilia when men want smooth legs. That’s just a sick and deranged cheap shot.
@globetrotter22 actually it’s a correlation between looking prepubescent. Which is valid to a degree. How ever shaving used to be just for men until razor companies figured out that they could double their customer base.
Also it is very much pushed by fashion through the ages, at some point it became socially acceptable to wear tops that showed under the arms (fuck knows when), it then became a social thing to have shaved arm pits. It was always a piss take that German women never shaved, which I must say often has been the case. Russian girls I’ve met in Cyprus and Black Sea area, also seemed to be partial to under arm hair.
Marketing, Advertising, Fashion, social media etc are all the powers forcing everyone to comply.
You don’t sit and wait for it if you want to grow your goodies do it For example I won’t I’m going to wax til I die but I urge you or she / to totally do as you feel. It gets normalized by you doing it not a government or people approve it.
Social acceptance isn't the issue. It's a personal hygiene preference first of all and secondly it's a matter of what kind of person you want to attract. The more body hair the more specific your target demographic becomes. Personally I think it's gross for either gender to make a show of armpit hair. As for the other hair that's implied by the broad question, depends on the maintenance. Beards are fine, Mustaches are creepy and trimming is a sign of self respect.
That's what a sweaty hairy parts smell like, I tried to make a girl feel good about it and shoved my face deep in there and had to wash my face a lot to get rid of the smell
@Razp_Sorbet if that's all it takes to completely shift your life all the way from point A all the way to point Z then you New Zealanders must truly be going through the crisis of the century.
@Uptowngirl88 coming from a woman who puts up another person's picture while criticizing someone else for not putting up a picture is clearly trying to shore up breathtaking insecurities, you are the definition of a STRONG WOMAN 😂😂😂
@Inbox hey its not my fault your attempt at flirting failed🤣. Get some self esteem and use a real picture. No one is desperate enough to deal with an unattractive slob hiding behind a cartoon
@Uptowngirl88 It's been too long since my last fight. I hope this is not your best.
I understand that no man has wanted you since dinosaurs roamed the Earth, so you like to misinterpret people's comments as a way to make yourself feel better to cope with the men that left you - right after seeing your face.
It must suck to live paycheck to paycheck.
@vigors That's what happens when someone like her can't afford a decent education.
@smallandtiny well that's great, so you understand how much effort it is and probably understand that not everybody has the time, patience or money to do that. Some people simply don't want to and that's ok.
@Razp_Sorbet actually there's no effort at all, that's why I mentioned that I do it every week, I am pretty sure even the busiest person can spare an hour out of their in a whole week to shave. And the people who don't want to is the reason why it's a problem they smell and look bad.
@smallandtiny not everyones hair growth is the same. A week of not shaving for me before laser was very noticeable. Heck an hour after shaving I had stubble.
@Razp_Sorbet Okay that's just impossible I have more testosterone than you and yet I grow a stubble after a week. You're probably not shaving right or using a cream.
Body hair on a woman show to all the society how much care does she take of herself, is inestetical and we are not cave people anymore. Even some guys start to take off moust of theyr body hair, depand on person is accepted. But a woman whit that kinde of hair, is dezgusting and a man perfetly shaved arywhere is the same.
What do you mean socially acceptable? Is that in terms of getting male attention. because i dont think any one cares how you groom yourself. I just dont think you can expect everyone to find it attractive. Is that your real question? When will body hair be seen as attractive on women. Long time i think
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It should be and to some extent it is. Tbh i only shave my legs when there is some party and stuff. Not on regular basis. Donno why people find body hairs on girls to be gross but okay in case of guys. Its a natural stuff. Hygiene is keeping yourself clean. Body hairs ain't dirty. Bath everyday 😂
It's because the girl looks more feminine smooth all over, I am a guy and I like feeling feminine by waxing my whole body then what's the matter with women.
@smallandtiny you like doing that. Some girls do that not because yhey like.. they feel obligated that if they dont people will find them gross and unattractive. So it should be normalized so that some dont feel obligated and do what they feel like. Feeling obligated to do that is bad If someone likes doing that.. then its cool
@smallandtiny yeah good for you. I feel clean and not smelly with my body hair as well. Even if its easy thats simply not my thing. I don't feel like i need to so i dont. Why do some extra work.
You feel clean and not smelly, ask others around you, and it's looks hideous especially on women.
Literally my nightmare is marrying someone like you and cuddling her when she raises her arm there's a bunch of hair.
And since women like to say why don't you shave so much, I already do so no one can say that back. You do extra work to be hygienic and look attractive, it doesn't matter what you feel like, and that's the same reason why every other person shaves.
@smallandtiny even i would never date a guy who is soo shallow that he needs me to have hair free skin so that he can love me! I would rather be with someone who loves seeing me the way i really am both physically and from inside. You need to get some concepts correct bruh And i dont have underarm hair fyi.
Lol hairy body and picky? Wow wouldn't every guy wanna be with you, again everyone shaves to make themselves look better and that guy probably would want the same because he's putting effort in his body.
My concepts are straight and correct "bruh", but maybe you need to know more about being a woman
@smallandtiny oh thanks for teaching me how to be a women. Small amd tiny brain as the name says lol. And the guy i am with dosen't care. He himself dosen't want me to wax and do stuff unnecessarily. And yes i am picky and hairy. And i would never pick you!! Look someone got rejected by a hairy girl!! You know why? Personality.
How dumb are you really, I have already mentioned I wouldn't even once even try to date a hairy girl, then how is it possible I got rejected by one? Lol wtf
Again, I wouldn't wanna be picked by you or any other gorillas because I take care of my body and skin and only date women who do the same, sure the "guy you're with", talk about spewing major bs lol
And dude stop whining. Those are my views i am not imposing them on you so dont tell me what to do :) I can shave and get all "clean" as you said but your personality isn't gonna change. And its shallow
@smallandtiny dunno about you but hair on guys look masculine to ME. (Not too much hair tho) Because biologically more testosterone means more hair. Whatever's your preference its cool. I respect that. But u don't need to impose them on others. if I already have less hairy body so i don't feel like I need to.
@smallandtiny and i am confident with my body hair. I dont think i need to wax so that someone else finds me attractive. I am happy the way i am simple. Who are you to judge me? And i am lucky enough to get a man who likes me the way i am.
We all obligated to do things we dont really want to do to be attractive to the other sex. So if you dont want to do it thats fine. But dont complain about lack of attention and dating options because "men are shallow"
It doesn't look attractive and I don't want to see it but if women want to have hairy armpits, there's nothing I can do about it. If some chick wants to do that, why is she worrying about "socially acceptable?" Sounds like an excuse.
Exactly. They act like male preferences is some sort of “forced” patriarchy which is absolute bs. No one is forcing women to shave but at the same no one should force someone’s preferences either.
I personally could never consistently date a girl who is intentionally hairy.
I dont care about all body hair but thank God that where I'm from men and women shave their pits and private parts. It's considered cleaner and more hygienic.
Um, both genders need to shave. I'm sorry I find it unattractive and unhygienic and no, it doesn't make you manlier... That's just something those highschool boys believe. Bottom line being body hair is gross on ANYONE.
Would you go all the way and shave your scalp as well, so that you end up bald? No? If not, why not? This belief that hair in "unwanted places" is somehow unacceptable, or repulsive, is just weird to me. It's clearly a fashion, a trend that was started in order to, perhaps, sell more shaving products, or to convince people that caving in to societal expectations was the right thing to do. A form of control is what it really is.
I don’t care whether it is socially acceptable or not. I really don’t give a fuck. All i care about is my body and I don’t like having hair in certain places
They've always been acceptable. But do they have to care? Also, i though they're doing it for themselves. Same can be said with make ups. But it's only that men just prefer shaved girls and there's nothing "socially unacceptable" about that but a lot of them just take it so personally
It's the free choice of the individual. I'd compare it to a man’s ability to grow a beard. Some keep it trim, some are clean cut, some look like a swami or ali baba, some have a simple mustache. You do you. Be confident in who you are and what you like.
in public not acceptable at all for women, but in the bedroom, men don't care about it as much as many women think, otherwise they would not sleep around so much
Maybe some guys don’t care but it’s always been a huge turnoff for me. Long story short i remember turning a girl down because of that at a college party back in the day (I gave her some other excuse)
It’s one thing if the girl is just really busy or on a hiking trip or something. But if she is intentionally growing it out to “fight patriarchy” than that’s just plain gross.
However I’ll bend a bit. If I start dating an attractive girl who requires I shave my chest regularly (and she stays smooth as well all over) I would do it.
Literally no one cares i love removing my hair and i hate people who do not at least trim pits and genital whether male or female cause the amount of sweat and all the ew shit stuff is just a no
It's seen an unhygienic and no class to have "bush" these days and quite right.
You can buy a razor for a couple of bucks. There is no excuse.
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What makes me disgusted is how women shave just because they can look attractive, what about guys? They should shave. They make women feel terrible about body hair, Yet guys have there legs fully covered in hair.
But you know a lot of them would also argue that they're doing it for themselves. Also, we may prefer girls who shave for the same reason you prefer tall guys with abs and big dicks. So you are not the only ones who are entitled with preferences here
Before you make all that demands double that on yourself. Your picture doesn’t look good dude. I workout bust my ass, for my business and fitness and feed my mind everyday and care a lot about my Sense of fashion. Then after you can say I want this from a girl I want that from a girl.
And was i complaining about about girl's preference tho? Like i care if you think im whatever you think. I was just saying as a counter argument for her claims. Like what i said, girls do it for themselves. Which also means guys do it for themselves as well. I also take my picture for me so you're dreaming if im really trying to please you
@ImRetarded it doesn't really have a lot to do with pedophilia but some people make it about that if that makes sense. Mostly bc hair is a normal for any woman thats hone through puberty. Only children are naturally hairless
You know, this is probably a troll comment designed to get reactions (especially since it's posted anonymously). But I have to say there might be a kernel of truth in it. Particularly with the expectation now that women have no pubic hair. That is definitely a pedo/porn thing. Years ago a bush was normal, now being attracted to a normal female bush is considered like a weird fetish.
@Luopio27 no thats not quite what I meant. Ig I worded my opinion wrong. What I was referring to is the whole Lolita thing. I remember reading about it somewhere. I forgot when it was but at some point in time companies released ads encouraging women to appear 'sexy and child like'. I was just pondering on whether or not women being hairless started bc of something like that
Saying that men force women to shave because we have pedophilia tendencies is an absolute disgusting cheap shot.
Ancient Roman women started making fashion updates to have less body hair. Women shaving in western counties started come around with female celebrities in the 30s (and they weren’t porn stars)
@globetrotter22 Dude. Calm TF down. No one is saying you are a pedo. However, there are trends in society which dovetail with pedophilic tendencies. I have seen a marked increase in sexualization of little girls in my lifetime, and even sexualization of the toys they play with. In the opposite direction, grown women are now encouraged to look like women who have not reached puberty - ie. it is seen as 'unappealing' for a woman to have pubic hair. This was not the case even 15 years ago. A bush was the norm. The trends towards making children sexualized and making grown, sexually active women appear like children are pedophilic tendencies. I'm not even saying men are to blame for this specifically. All of society is to blame, men and women. After all, the women are the ones accepting the trends and shaving their pussies. So just calm down.
@NicoletteXO In the last few years I’ve noticed radical feminists get more and more aggressive and mainstream. I don’t underestimate anything they try to push.
But getting back to porn. I find it ironic that back in the 70s and 80s feminists were generally against porn production. Then in the last 20 years or so feminists change their tune saying it is “sexual expression of women”. There are porn studios that are completely owned and operated by women.
Also about the pedo thing. Thanks for acknowledging that’s not just a “male issue”. Women are voluntarily engaging in this. That sick Netflix movie “cuties” had a female director.
Anyway I prefer smooth women. I know shaving must be a pain in the ass but really smooth legs and armpits are feminine and attractive. No one is being forced but again forcing people to change their preference is wrong
@globetrotter22 I don't understand why you are raising and arguing against positions that nobody is taking here. Nobody said you are not allowed to have a personal preference. I myself prefer to remove body hair, and I definitely don't like the idea of hairy armpits or legs on women. Though I think we should all take a moment to consider how much "our" preferences are simply things we have unconsciously taken on board due to social programming. Like, I've always had a slim waist, and hourglass figure with a generous butt - at the moment this is all the rage. But in the 90s it wasn't so much - women were expected to look 'heroin chic'. A lot of what we take to be our 'preferences' are simply social conditioning. Like, I do prefer to remove my body hair, but maybe I wouldn't if I hadn't been exposed relentlessly to that aesthetic. I don't know. Anyway, as for the porn thing... I don't have a problem with it per se unless it's been made via exploitation. The fact that some self-proclaimed feminists re pro-porn and some anti doesn't seem to be a contradiction to me, because"feminists" are not a monolith. Just as "black people" and "gay people" aren't a monolith - they all have their own perspectives, and that's fine.
Logic is not what you’re using, since your analogy is a false equivalence. It would be more like if companies required men to shave their faces AND their pubes. Don’t you think that would be a little creepy? I do.
The rest of what i said stands and also, facial hair is a part of growing up and pubery and also can make men older/younger depending how its groomed so yes thst involves the same principle. I'm including company standards because thats obviously what you're gonna reason out. But then that would also be guys reasoning why they like shaved pubes.
@Aiko_E_Lara dude. None of "the rest of what you've said" stands... because my point about pedo stuff specifically relates to pubes. I'm not taking issue with removal of women's leg or armpit hair on this specific point. It's the pube removal that is the pedo-related thing. So the equivalent to that - if we want to eke out your analogy - is if your company expected you to shave your pubes to work for them. It's creepy.
I litterally explained anything about how its being relevant and how beards can make you look younger or older depending on how you groom it. So it seems like you're not reading anything I said. I also did talk about the company's reasoning maybe used to some girls about beards even tho men can say thrsame to pubes. Maybe nothing stands for you because you're too lazy to read? This is basically like those TLDR mentality then act like a smart aleck about it. Also, what about the zootophilia for prefering pubes i talked about like her logic about prefering shaved? Sure dodge that one and hope I'd actually forget.
So really, why is leg hair removal and shaving beards not pedo related but pubes? They're still body hair that has something to do with puberty and growing up. Oh right because its a pussy. Like that reasoning alone isn't shallow. If you wanna talk about how pussy is a sex organ, do you seriously believe that an adult and a child pussy are thesame? Because that's not how biology work.
@Aiko_E_Lara No, dude, it doesn't stand because you have a sub-par intellect and can't enunciate yourself properly, nor string together a coherent argument.
"So really, why is leg hair removal and shaving beards not pedo related but pubes? They're still body hair that has something to do with puberty and growing up." ...
because leg hair and facial hair is NON-SEXUAL, you moron. Pedophiles get off on sexualizing underage imagery.
Pedophiles won't get off by seeing a non-hairy leg, but they will get off seeing a pussy that looks like it is underage - because that what pedos are attracted to. There are thousands of porn videos online of women with shaved pussies and titles that suggest pedophilia. Even though I believe the vast majority of these films are made by women 18 and over, they are dressed up like little girls and the titles suggest this is what they are. This normalizes the psychology of sex with underage girls, and it gets people erotically hooked on that narrative. The shaved pussy trend is a part of this. Making grown women look like little girls is a part of this.
The fact that I even have to spell this out to you is a pain in the ass.
How about yes but you see, its just so easy to deny things by accusing someone of not making any "coherent argument". But how about you? I can just easily say the same thing as an attempt to just call it a day.
Just what i thought you'd say. But you know, people can be attract to someone by how their face look as well right? So if you get attracted to guys without beards (like k pop guys who can look like 13 which also thousands of girls like) like as in even if its just romantic attraction, that can still easily be strawman by anyone saying you like underaged boys as even romantic attractions to kids is also pedophilic.
If you like to say there are "thousands of videos" like that, well i guess you do really take your time watching thousands of them. Because to counter that up, a lot of porn titles are misleading, kinda clickbaity and also there are also other thousands of porn that isn't about like little girls like also thousands of MILF videos out there. Again i also talked abouy zootophilia for liking pubes. How come you're not covering that?
I see, it pains you in the ass. But really thats just another excuse to be butthurt while dodging some more of my other points. (even litterally also because its a complaint). If it pains you then no one forced you to argue anyways. You can always go back to your safe space and let the grow ups talk.
@NicoletteXO i read your points and I can see you put some thought into this. But you got see the slippery slope argument going on here. If you bring up pedophilia in a debate about whether women should shave or not then it created a very nasty image in peoples minds despite the context you out it in. Radical feminists know this and use it to shoot down opposing viewpoints.
And by the way. I was sexually active back in HS. I lost my virginity at 16 to a 15 year old girl. I remember quite well that she or any other other girl I messed around with back then where shaved in their nether regions.
That porn comparison is are making above is some sort of sexualization of girls who haven’t even hit puberty yet. That is completely on a different level.
Just keep the pedo mentions out of this. I can guarantee you that 99.99999% of men and women who like shaved women have absolutely no pedophilic inclinations. It’s more about the smoothness being feminine.
Aiko… you can hardly speak English, and you are raising irrelevant red herrings in the hopes of appearing intelligent. I’m sorry you lost the argument. I’m not about to sit here all day and try to raise your IQ from 80 to a level where you can sufficiently comprehend and engage with this. You’re simply not capable.
Globetrotter… the fact that bringing up pedophilia makes people uncomfortable is not a counter argument. It makes people uncomfortable that certain companies use child labour - doesn’t make it untrue. Discomfort talking about reality does not negate reality.
And you misunderstand what I’m saying. I am not suggesting that people who like shaved pussies consciously have pedophilic tendencies. I remove almost all my own ‘hair down there’ and I’m certainly not standing in the shower making that connection when I do. A huge reason why most people shave their pussy is simply that that is what is ‘in vogue’ aesthetically. It’s no longer aesthetically acceptable for women to have a super hairy bush - whereas 15 years ago it was the norm.
But what I am saying (as I explained above) is that a culture which glamourises making grown women look like little girls is a culture which normalises pedophilic tendencies.
Delineations - and lack thereof - are more meaningful than we think, and have down stream consequences. While pedophilia relates to the blurring of lines between underage imagery and sexuality, let’s take another example of how blurring previously held delineations has consequences. Until very recently, if a 3 year old boy said “Mummy I’m a girl!”… the mother would have responded “oh you are, are you?” And in a vast majority of those cases, that would be the end of the story.
Now, we live in a culture that glorifies gender-bending. So a 3 year old these days could easily be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, and put on track to taking hormones, and having their lives irrevocably altered - because of a narrative that suggests it is normal, good and ok to cross lines that in the past were not crossed. This is a result of flooding society with imagery and narratives which normalise transgenderism. (Just to be clear, I am not suggesting anyone vilify adult transgender people, but simply pointing out the risks of normalising narratives where there is no clear delineation between male and female).
Similarly, when we both normalise and fetishise women with hairless pussies, we make one of the key markers of the previously obvious delineation between sex with a grown woman and sex with a child or young minor (that is, bush) disappear. We seed a culture where it feels normal to have sex with a female with no pubic hair, whereas this was not the norm 15 years ago.
This is the kind of culture where someone who may not have otherwise crossed the line into actual pedophilia may make that transition in a way that doesn’t seem as shocking to them… it’s more of a slight segue from sex with an adult woman, when there are fewer obvious delineations between the two.
Again, please don’t think I am saying that most women and men who like shaved pussies are thinking about minors. But a culture which normalises and fetishises grown women looking like pre-pubescent ones in a sexual context is a culture which encourages pedophilic tendencies.
@NicoletteXO well i can say the same thing to you. Like how you like to criticize anyone's English, i presume you are native English speaker and you should know better than to accuse anyone of not speaking proper English grammar. But yes it is starting to become clearer now that you're just making excuses and diverting topic into English, and if your IQ level is so high then it doesn't take a genius to understand i said
Oh yeah, i can see your only arguing someone who doesn't really bring up any real counter arguments to your argument. So it's obvious now that you're just looking for someone who you want to argue. If you just like to deny and say nothing what i said really stands then i can say the same thing to all the "points" you actually gave.
You would not believe how hot it is to see a woman flame a bitch down for saying she should shave her pits. God damn that confidence and the power to back it up.
Personal taste she can do what want with her body. That said I personally do not like hair on a woman my choice but the next mandate just might be women must have a bush and hairy armpits. Just saying.
@smallandtiny You see women have amazingly changed comparing few decades ago. As you are shaving your whole body, why women should not grow hair? Pelvic bush was unheard say 50 years ago, now it's women's happy choice.
Women do not shave their bodies because it isn't "Socially acceptable" to be hairy, they shave so they can maximize attractiveness so that they can benefit from it financially.
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