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Why Nice Guys Struggle To Get Women (Page 5)
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hmm this explains a lot on why women are awkward around me. I've been told i have a lot of confidence
Women don't like nice guys
good mytake but why choose the movie Gladiator as an example of a man who can protect his family? his whole family died right?
It is not like he could teleport there...
Then you should have chosen Star Trek..
Because they are less of a man, and are more feminine. With no balls!
Yay, ye old nice guy will always finish last and the bad boys reign supreme above all else bullshit, man people who type this is so full of shit
Cause women like jerks who abuse them just look around its true they ignore the good ones cause they aren't up to their superficial standards
Tbh, ‘nice guys’ are usually men that are overcompensating, owing to an insecurity or something. That is prob more what puts the woman off
If you "prefer" assholes, you "like", assholes. Simple math, really.
Also, study the word, "prefer". You'll see I'm not hating on what you like, or hating on you personally. I'd just rather women just be real, up front and tell the truth as to what kind of guys they like. Not the kind they dream about, but when they meet them they get turned off because it's not what it seems.
A nice guy is just a beta trying a different route to get laid
lol "not a through road"
same is the other way around xD it's not like only guys struggle with the friendzone.
“However the reality is women don't like assholes, but they prefer them over nice guys for their manly qualities.”
Sorry but that is retarted. Try taking a class in logic at a community college.
You are retarded. I studied logic in college and i passed it. Maybe you should take one, and an IQ test as well.
@emmily2396 Um no, YOU'RE retarded. You first say that you prefer assholes over guys who are nice cause you think they're more "manly", then you go around in the comments section fully contradicting yourself and saying that you prefer gentleman (aka nice guys). You can't even be consistent with yourself on your own take and THAT makes you retarded.
@aa180 dude, only 12 year olds use the word retarded that much. No, I didn't finish the article saying that. I exaplained why some girls may like assholes over nice guys, but I said women would prefer a real man/gentleman over an asshole or a nice guy and if a nice guy wants a change he should strive to be a real man, not an asshole. Call people retarded when you learn how to read. If you can't follow through a text to understand a point it is you who is the idiot. Do I have to explain to a full grown adult in the way I would need to explain to a kid?
I didn't say that's how you finished the article, I just pointed out that that was one of the things you said, which you later contradicted with your follow up replies. How is being nice equivalent to not being a real man? How is a nice guy any different from a gentleman? They're the same thing so make up your mind as to who you prefer.
No, a real man has the confidence, courage, assertiveness and other qualities that women like about bad guys, but they are also kind and caring like nice guys. A gentleman would stand up if someone said or did anything to his woman, a nice guy would not know what to do in that situation... that is the difference. And no, i didn't say that women prefer assholes over real men/gentlemen.. I just explained what they see in assholes and what "nice" guys could learn from that and use it to improve themselves. That is why I gave the example with the movie... the emperor was the asshole, i said I prefer Maximus, not him.
You don't even try to read or understand properly yet you complain... i basically betrayed my own kind to help guys and instead of appreciating it they get defensive and angry. That is what women see in bad guys, that is the truth. You can either use that information to your own benefit and be above those assholes or be a crybaby
If that's the distinction, then you still said that assholes are better than nice guys anyway. So even if real men are above both, you still consider assholes to be second best. That just sounds ludicrous to me, and makes it sound like women don't know how to prioritize their own happiness, cause they think that being with a guy who's a jerk but is bold and assertive will somehow compensate for him mistreating you half the time. Whereas a guy who's nice will at least give you good treatment always even if he's not as courageous when it comes to confrontation. Yet you prefer the former over the latter (if you had to choose between the two), which I think is dumb and unconstructive and always leads you to being full of regret.
Nah, that is a matter of preference, which would you rather have out of 2 with lots of prons and cons. A relationship with a "bad" guy could be more passionate and painful, a relationship with a "good" guy may not be as passionate but it is not as painful either. It depends on the girl, her confidence, her preferences. But if a woman could pick one of the 3, she would pick a real man unless she is self destructive.
I didn't say nice guys don't have their qualities, but that bad guys have a different set of qualities, but same goes with the flaws. A bad guy may be more interesting, it's more of an extreme, both with qualities and flaws. A nice guy is not usually that extreme, which may make them boring, especially if the nice behaviour is fake. If you always kiss someone's ass and never have anything to say that differs from them it is obvious you are faking it, which would give women more reasons to not like you. I mean if you are nice for the purpose of getting laid, not because that is your personality, you are a herk in disguise. You don't even have tge courage to show you are an asshole, which is probably a fourth category.
Lol yeah and for some odd reason, they'll usually prefer the passionate and painful out of the two. Girls seem to get addicted to drama and being put through a rollercoaster ride of emotions, rather than having a stable relationship where happiness is constantly maintained, cause apparently that's too "boring" or not "passionate" in their eyes. You wonder why guys get frustrated from women, that's why.
And to your second reply, I'm not talking about the phony nice guys, I'm talking about the ones that are genuine.
Then what stops you on being a real man? Work on yourself and you will become one instead of complaining. It will be better for you too.
Well this isn't really about me per se, it's simply about how retarded women seem to be when it comes to their wants and desires.
Yeah... all women are stupid for not liking a nice guy like you...
Enjoy being single then
That's not even what I said, I'm referring to what we discussed. Stop twisting my words to make it sound like I'm playing a victim and being entitled, cause we both know that's not true.
Yeah... after all the explaining the conclusion women have no idea what they want... that is clearly playing the victim. I told in black and white... it is like i would complain not all men are ass men, and some are attracted to other body parts... different people, different preference. What is so hard to understand?
I didn't even say they don't know what they want, I said they DO know what they want, it's just that their wants and desires are retarded. And I was referring to the fact that women prioritize drama and going through constant emotional fluctuations in a relationship rather than stability and constant happiness (cause they see that as boring), which you didn't even deny or disagree with, you simply avoided it by saying "Why don't you just be a real man then?". That's what I meant by saying girls are retarded, it had no reference or relation to myself at all. So again, stop twisting things and saying I'm playing a victim.
A guy could be completely gay and still make the same points that I'm making, it's not about being a victim or being self-entitled at all, it's about external observation and analysis.
No, i told you everyone has a different preference. O could say the same thing about men. onstead og accepting that evwryone has a different taste.
But in one of my replies after that I said that girls *usually* (meaning more often than not) choose passion and pain, and your proceeding response didn't say anything against that claim. So naturally I assumed you agreed with it.
Real men are products of society and social conditioning. Regardless, I never said expressly that I want to date or marry anyone in the future. All I care about is having sex every so often.
None the less, I find the requirements that women place on casual sexual relationships to be silly and stupid and even though I understand your points I do not respect them.
I’d rather stay sexless than conform to some stupid traditional masculinity that is different from how I naturally am and I see no reason and have no desire to change myself in order to win the favor of people who treat me like shit in my natural form. So, in conclusion, it looks like I’ll be going MGTOW. I’d rather be stubborn than get laid.
And by the way, I took logic in college and got an A in it.
If anyone finds the real me attractive then so be it. If not, fine. But I expected more from this life.
Nobody told you to conform to anything. People nowadays get offended by anything. How many times do i have to say that this was meant to help people. If you do not want a change then why conplain?
Also, nonody said anything about casual sex relationship... i mean a real relationship...
Okay. We can agree that this advice was for a real relationship. I can say I am not in that mindset right now.
But there is a reason for that, and that reason is because I found that I was unappealing for who I am and I found those that found that I was unappealing in turn also unappealing. Therefore, had I not had these bad experiences perhaps I would want a regular relationship but I no longer do.
Conformity to the more masculine archetype is the solution you are writing. You’re saying, ‘nice guys’ here’s what you are doing wrong: [insert your take here]. Here’s how to do better: [insert your take here].
How do we do better? Well we simply conform more to the stereotypical masculine gender. That entails changing who we are deep down for the purpose of allowing someone to find you acceptable.
It’s deeply unsettling to sit and think that who you really are is only the reason you are perceived as unattractive. It’s the deepest sort of bitch-slap possible and I take that with bitterness. Simply change everything about who you are, and then you’ll have all this romantic success. That’s your advice.
I am rejecting the idea that I change who I am on a fundamental level. I am okay with slight altercations, doing this or that in a slightly different way, but when you ask be to be a different person I do not want to accept that and I so far have not. And likewise, I am very much celibate. In fact, I feel bad for women that fall for my looks (which aren’t bad) because they don’t know who I am yet. I wonder, ‘how should I break the bad news?’ Should I go on a first date? Is it worth it?
I don’t know. But at least if I can live my life free of distraction, drama and self-doubt that pursuing sexual encounters brings me I can legitimately improve the quality of my life and my mental state. If that means no sex, so be it.
It is not a specific stereotype because you see, you don't need to do x thing, you just need to show specific qualities, but the manner you show them must be true to yourself. Also, this is what the majority of women would like, a man that can be both manly and caring, would you want me to tell something that isn't true?
This was for those who want change. At the end of the day you do as you wish.
I don’t want you to say something that isn’t true. I just dislike that it is true.
Ultimately I do not wish to change. I would be okay with seeing norms change, however, because what I see is that this desire you speak of in females applies only to a small minority of males. By definition, there can only be one person who is the best at one skill. In your example, Maximus is the best.
But he and he alone is that best. I dislike the idea of competitiveness for this reason. I prefer systems that benefit those that are the worst more than those who are the best, because they are the most vulnerable and least able to fend for themselves. In this way, I’d rather shift the attraction paradigm in such a way that those at the bottom are found attractive for who they are out of things like genuinity or other possible virtues. And most importantly, to see past this idea of men as providers.
Being born with a dick does not make one a provider. If you walk down the street and see regular people it becomes apparent that there’s no big supply of the type of guys you write about. I say we should work on questioning the idea that men have to be as you describe. Rather than ‘improve’ towards it, why not ask ‘is it really an improvement in the first place? If so, why? Does it even apply to real people?’
You are putting it into a stereotype, not me. I didn't say i want to be a housewife and i expect a man to provide, pay for my meals on dates, etc. I strictly talked about personality qualities. Men like specific traits in women too. It is not my problem yku do not likr the truth and I do not care what you do with yourself.
Nowadays someone can't even try to help because people get butthurt over an article. If you do not want to change then that doesn't mean i should tell this information to people who want, so i do not understand why so many men feel the need to complain about this mytake. When a guy makes a mytake on what he wants in women or when he tries to help women in x situation you do not see girls complaining that much. Same happens with that gillete ad. Men got offended for no reason. The ad wasn't hatinh towards a specific group, it was just spreading a message about harassment and how people who witness it should do something instead of watching.
It's not your take that's offensive per say, its the truth behind your take that is offensive. My goal is to introduce doubt into widely held female belief systems in order to invert the social hierarchy much like socialism inverts capitalism.
Step one is to illuminate and raise awareness of the problem. That's my primary goal for the time being. In other words, I'm trying to change your sexual preferences. I think there's a very strong case to be made that the current status quo is producing unnecessarily aggresaive and violent people, which leads to war and crime. The type of men women prefer are the thpes of men that disrespect the value of life, disrespect diversity of expression and are in general extremely rude people.
Cause women secretly deep down want a bad boy they think good guys are boring
have you read what i said?
I understand what your saying but honestly it sounds like an excuse. Girl just don't like the good guys I see it all the time. Your wording is really nice but your saying the same thing girls are attracted to the bad boys even though they act like dicks
Yeah, but my suggestion was that if you want things to change you can be the best of both worlds and it will be better for you too. And a grown woman would probably pick a nice guy over an idiot, but a realman over a good guy.
That not true how often have you seen a grown woman pic a bad dude it has nothing to do with age it's about what you want and what type of guy your attracted too
I mean a mture woman, it would be silly to pick someone that treats you like shit to be your life partner.
But they do it all the time I know cause I'm one of those good guys yet I'm single I'm not ugly I have a great personality and I treat all women with respect. I mean yeah women say the want a good guy but deep down the that's not true cause the always choose the asshole. Now I can't say every women is like that but from what I experienced in my life time it's true. Then after the bad boy has dogged then out and treated them like shit and there all used up they want to date the good guy and at that point we're like nah I'm good cause I don't want to be anybody's second choice love myself to much for that
then be a real man... that is the point of my whole post... be a manly man, not an asshole, not a nice guy.
I'm going to keep an eye on this post cuz I'm anxious to see what answers you get from the women and what answer is you going to get from guys I totally understand what you're saying but I hope you understand what I'm saying is well there's two sides to everything
yeah, but I tell you, someone with Maximus' character is awesome, especially if he is as handsome as Russel. I was watching the movie with a cousin of mine and she was wow the whole movie. Now, you don't have to be a general and beat up guys, but the personality traits are the important things here.
But that fiction the reality is if you date a bad boy he's going to be a dick you have to somehow find the balance and that's a lot harder to find
Maximus wasn't the bad boy... howmuch do I have to explain?
Life's a lesson but chasing a girl and pleasing a girl can turn this nice boy bad. If u can't beat them iv ended up joint them until my imaginary queen of hearts comes saves me lol
Bad guys create more drama, making life more interesting?
Feminism is thees it has effective them & what is to
Sorry I meant feminist has effected their mind they think like woman & woman think like man. Both gender believe it as fact.
The fact is woman will never be equal to man & man can not be equal to woman sure we can be equal in income, education, health, work so on but when it come to relationship man must take man role & woman must be woman role.
This feminist have destroyed it by creating propaganda this is my view also real man ant asshole only abusive man are asshole.
cuz they are not direct and rather make friends first. i say fuck friends
Nice guys dont manipulate women but some women loved to get manipulated and getting their minds fucked
Is a nice guy who dont give a F about girls a nice guy?
well, since you aren't frustrated that sex isn't your reward for being nice, probably not.
Ahh okay thanks
But the type she finds attractive is always a tall man 😔
One thing I have started to do is ignore my dating life cause there’s always something wrong that causes a girl to reject me and I don’t have time for games either your not the right race, height, facial structure, personality it’s always something