Dear Meat Eaters, You Can Help Too :) (Page 3)

[monkeynutts]

I spent ten years of my life eating a diet like what your saying I did not drink milk because my fiancee was lactose intolerant. I might have ago at it again since you asked politely.

[Losalt]

Thanks for sharing. =)
I'm lacto-vegetarian myself.
I do drink milk, but I mix in some dairy free stuff too and I most certainly do not use cheese with rennet from a calf -_-

[Catholicgirl22]

Why would I do any of this and what would happen to all those cows if we stopped eating meat would they be put down with no one to take care of them?

[ReachingNirvana]

They wouldn't have to be put down, they could be released or go to sanctuaries.

[ReachingNirvana]

Besides, even if they were put down, it would be a less cruel fate than the torture, abuse and processing they're forced to undergo.

[0asis]

It wouldn't happen overnight, it's impossible for it to just happen all at once. It will be a slow, gradual decline over years and years and years. If the demand for certain products goes down, the producers of those items will make less and less of said products. So cows are not going to take over the world. The only reason there's 56 billion farm animals on this planet is because WE are forcefully breeding them into existence for our own selfish needs. So if we didn't do that, there wouldn't be that many farm animals

[Catholicgirl22]

You honestly think there's enough animal sanctuaries, like there isn't enough for unwanted dogs. Also there is no difference between a cow getting slaughtered and getting the lethal injection your suggesting. The lethal injection is one of the most painful ways to die.

[ReachingNirvana]

So, the solution is to torture animals? That... sounds illogical. But... okay...

[ReachingNirvana]

@0asis Thank you.

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis also suggesting we make the domestic cow extinct is a crap idea.

[Catholicgirl22]

https://youtu.be/Mc2ju6I1Rn0

[0asis]

That video proves nothing. Those people would have been feeding the baby improperly. A baby can be perfectly healthy on a plant-based diet. Both The American Dietetics Association and The British Dietetics Association deem veganism a sustainable and healthy way to live

[0asis]

You know what's a more crap idea? Tearing down the rainforests to grow soybean crops for livestock to eat so we can eat their bodies. That's a real crap idea but that's what is happening

[0asis]

Like I said, the world isn't going to go vegan overnight. It will take years and years and years and as the demand for animal products goes down, so will the amount of animals being born. Cows will still exist if we don't eat them. They aren't going to all disappear, there just won't be millions of them like there are right now.

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis cows are not a natural animal they will die in the wild.
Tearing down the rainforests to grow soybean crops To feed vegans doesn't sound any better.

[0asis]

That's because we humans domesticated them. Point is, there will be enough sanctuaries for the cows because the number of them will have decreased to the point where there will not be millions on earth anymore.

Vegans eat WAAAAAAY less than livestock. If the world were plant-based, we would not need to tear down the amazon to grow crops for human consumption. We would NOT need that amount of land. With the plants we feed to livestock, if we fed that to humans instead, we would be able to feed the entire world but instead it's all going to livestock so we can eat recycled plant matter from their bodies. We could end world hunger if we stopped eating animals. It takes more plants to produce a pound of beef than it does to feed a vegan.

www.onegreenplanet.org/.../
health.howstuffworks.com/.../...ts-vegetarians.htm

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis cows eat grass, meat eaters require less food than vegans.

[0asis]

No, that is not true at all.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOmpfhZDPnM/
i.pinimg.com/.../...4e637dd8b76cb3653948891a07.jpg
news.cornell.edu/.../us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-livestock-eat
It takes more plants to feed animals than it does to feed a human

[0asis]

And what factory farms are feeding cows is mostly soybean and corn, which they are tearing down the rainforests to grow said soybean crops to feed to animals

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis the grassland most cows graze is natural areas that bison and other herbavours have grazed for thousands of years. Farming is not a natural and bad for the enviorment. Cattle shouldn't be fed soy beans at all.

[0asis]

The thing is there is not enough land to feed livestock for the entire planet to eat. The demand for animal products are so high, there's 56 billion farm animals... it's just not possible to let all those animals graze in grassy fields
www.onegreenplanet.org/.../

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis intensive farming causes soil erosion so it's more environmentally friendly to let livestock graze in their natural enviorment.

[0asis]

The thing is, there's not enough land to let 56 billion livestock animals graze in their natural environment. It takes too much land

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis these things balance out

[0asis]

How so?

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis economics is driving the use of soy beans not consumption of meat.

[0asis]

I don't think so: www.onegreenplanet.org/.../
www.onegreenplanet.org/.../
http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis please don't wipe out all the cows lol

[0asis]

There will always be cows. Always. The cows don't need us to forcibly impregnate them for them to survive. Eating them is not going to save cows, in fact you're the one killing cows because you are eating them and their excrements. I never said anything about wiping out the cow population. I said as the world SLOWLY goes vegan over YEARS and YEARS and YEARS, the number of cows (which is in the billions) will SLOWLY decline until there's a manageable amount left that will live in sanctuaries the rest of their lives. They will be free from pain, from torture, from exploitation. Isn't that a better life for the cows? Cows aren't going to go extinct if we stop exploiting them.

[0asis]

I'm trying to SAVE the cows. That's what vegans are doing. We are trying to SAVE pigs, cows, chickens, lambs/sheep, turkeys, all animals from a life of torture and exploitation. If you are concerned about cows, eating their bodies and excrements is not helping them in any way. In fact, you're the reason cows are being tortured and exploited. You're paying for cows to die. I'm trying to save them

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis saving cows by ending the reason they exist? It's not like you can return them to the wild

[0asis]

Cows don't exist because of us or for us. Exploitation is not a justification. Humans domesticated cows, yes. Before that, cows were wild animals. We would be saving cows by not eating/exploiting them. No, you're right we can't return them to the wild and I NEVER said anything about setting them free back into the wild. I said they will live in SANCTUARIES where people will take care of them for the rest of their lives. SANCTUARIES. They will be in much better hands. You are killing tons more cows by eating them. Like I said, even if the entire world is vegan, there will ALWAYS be cows. We DO NOT need to exploit them and forcibly impregnate them in order for them to survive. That's preposterous. There will be less cows but they WILL NOT all disappear if we stop killing them, eating them, and exploiting them

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis the domestication of animals has been mutilually benifiticial.

[0asis]

Mutually? It's been beneficial to the animals to be forced into a life of slavery and abuse and then get slaughtered or put into a gas chamber to die? How is us exploiting animals beneficial to the animals?

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis they live longer lives for starters, they get better medical care than most people, they never starve, they are free from parasites, they get to breed and they get protection from predators. A cow dies more humanely in an abitore than in the wild.
https://youtu.be/KnJxiz_jFBk
https://youtu.be/8wl8ZxAaB2E

[0asis]

That is false. Animals in the agriculture industry actually live far shorter lives than they would in a sanctuary or in the wild. Cows, for example, live on average 25-26 years but dairy cows only live to be 4-5 years old because they are constantly forcibly impregnated, giving birth, and constantly being milked. After they can no longer produce, they are sent to slaughter. They die way faster on farms than they would in a sanctuary or in the wild. And we cannot justify our actions by what happens in the wild because animals like lions are killing for survival. Lions also do not have moral agency. We as humans have moral agency, which means we have the ability to make moral judgements based on some notion of right or wrong and we can be held accountable for our actions. We aren't killing cows for survival, therefore, it is still not morally justified to be slaughtering them by the billions. You have no idea how factory farms work, clearly. The cows on factory farms are very neglected

[0asis]

Here's some footage from factory farms: https://mercyforanimals.org/investigations
They are definitely not free from parasites in factory farms. They don't get to breed, they ARE forcibly bred against their will. And they may be safe from wild animals but we humans are not protecting them as they are abused, tortured, and slaughtered by humans.

Humane means having or showing COMPASSION. How do you compassionately kill someone? Most pigs are put into gas chambers to kill them. Is that humane? Baby chicks are either drowned, suffocated in garbage bags or the most popular way, thrown into a macerator and ground up alive on their first day of life. Is that humane?

[0asis]

You don't need to show me footage of cows being slaughtered, I've seen hours and hours of that footage and none of it is humane in any way. Humane = compassionate. Shooting someone in the head is not compassionate. Slitting their throat is not compassionate.
This is humane?: https://youtu.be/Ki57eFs7XFo
What about this?: https://youtu.be/vXhz04P8up0
Or this?: https://youtu.be/JS3Qen0DSvc

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis your not a farmer so you don't understand.

[0asis]

You don't need to be a farmer to understand how the industry works. There's video proof. Evidence. Video evidence. Hours and hours and hours of footage from all around the world. You can find the information online about standard practices, which the ones I've stated are considered standard practice and they are legal. It's publicly accessible information. Are you a farmer? And you never answered my question. I asked if the practices and treatment of animals in the videos was humane. Is it compassionate?

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis yes very humane compared to the wild. I also have worked in a slaughter house.

[0asis]

It's not humane. Compassionate killing is not possible. You cannot kill someone compassionately. It's impossible. Like I said, you cannot justify killing animals by how animals do it in the wild. Wild animals are doing it for survival. Humans are not. Humans are doing it for taste pleasure. You cannot justify killing animals for that reason.

[0asis]

Humane = compassion. When you kill another being, you are taking their life. You cannot compassionately take another being's life. Taking a life is not a compassionate/humane thing to do to anyone

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis vets do it all the time to suffering animals. Your logic is flawed. An animal doesn't care if it's killed in the wild by disease, giving birth, by predators, by starvation, nature etc and if you card about an animals suffering you'd understand how humane the slaughterhouse is.
Humans have had cattle for thousands of years for the purpose of survival, the human body needs meat.

[0asis]

Yes, but the animals on farms aren't deathly ill so it's different. The animals on farms are just babies, they aren't dying of old age or dying of a disease. My logic is flawed? I think you should check your logic first before you go around saying my logic is flawed. I'm not the one justifying, defending, and paying for animal abuse for my taste pleasure.

How do you know an animal doesn't care? I'm pretty sure animals do care because I've seen how animals act before they are slaughtered. They try to escape and survive. They try to get out of there. So they do care about dying. All animals instinct is to try and survive, to live as long as possible. They do care.
Nah, humane = having or showing compassion. By that definition, slaughterhouses are in absolutely no way humane. Taking any sentient being's life is never a compassionate thing to do. I do care about animal suffering, that's why I don't eat them because by eating them, I would be paying for them to be in the slaughterhouse

[0asis]

You can't justify your actions by what we've done in the past either because humans also had slaves for thousands of years, and we also raped and killed each other for thousands of years, which doesn't make any action morally justified. Just because we have been doing something for a long time, doesn't mean it's okay to do.

And you're completely wrong, the human body is actually better off without dead animals inside of it. If we needed meat, I should be dead right now because I haven't eaten an animal in over a year. So that is false information. The human body does NOT need meat. The American Dietetics Association and The British Dietetics Association both say that a plant-based diet is a sustainable and healthy way to live so how can we justify killing billions of innocent animals when there is another, healthier, ethical, and sustainable way to live?

[0asis]

Plus, at this point, we aren't eating animals for survival. We are eating it solely for taste pleasure. We have grocery stores and supermarkets now so we definitely are not eating animals for survival. Sure, back then we were but now we have tons of alternatives, plant meats, plant cheeses/milks/ice creams/yogurts.

All those vitamins and nutrients in animals aren't NATURALLY in the animal's bodies. Like us, the animals have to get protein and nutrients from other sources too. So where do you think they get them from? PLANTS. All those nutrients and vitamins come from plants. So we can just eat plants and get all the protein and vitamins and nutrients we need without harming any animals. Because when you eat a dead animal, you're eating recycled plant protein/nutrients. It is 100% possible to survive on only plants. Tons of people are healthier than they've ever been. And if meat is SOO healthy for us, why is it causing people to get heart disease and type 2 diabetes and cancer?

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis Animals aren't ill on farms becauseof humans and have better lives.
I've slaughtered animals in a slaughterhouse and watched them take hours to die in the wild, the slaughterhouse is more humane.
Most nutrionists and doctors will tell you that the human body requires meat, espicially babies for brain development.
Nutritional deficiencies are common for vegans, particularly iron, B12, iodine,” she told The Independent. Growth restriction may also occur if the diet is not optimally providing fats, protein and total energy. Infants have high requirements for nutrients and energy with vegan alternatives often being low in energy. It's important for adults and children to have a diverse intake of wide range of foods including dairy, meats, poultry, fish and eggs, for an optimal balance of nutrients. Vegan diets are too restrictive and the risk of nutritional compromise outweighs any potential benefit.
https://youtu.be/Mc2ju6I1Rn0

[0asis]

Animals on factory farms are treated poorly. There's a ton of animal cruelty that goes on in those places. And exploiting animals for their bodies and excrements is cruelty in itself because it causes the animals a lot of pain. Again, you CAN'T compare a slaughterhouse to deaths in the wild. What happens in the wild is for animal's survival. We aren't killing animals in slaughterhouses for survival. So slaughterhouses are not humane in any way.

Most nutritionists and doctors learn whatever the government tells them. You do not need meat to be healthy. That video you keep showing proves nothing. Absolutely nothing. Jehina Malik has been vegan her entire life and she's a bodybuilder: www.plantbuilt.com/.../
The human body does not require meat at all. If it did, I should be dead right now because I haven't had meat in over a year. But I'm healthier than I've ever been.

[0asis]

As for the pregnancies, that is not true either as tons of studies have been done to prove that babies don't need meat for their development:
https://goo.gl/mpQZES
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../CJC24137.pdf
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../TOCMJ-3-51.pdf

If you do a plant-based diet wrong, you're going to have nutrient deficiencies but there's more people with deficiencies who eat meat than vegans. B12 is found in dirt. That's where it comes from. But you can get it from fortified plant milks. I can drink 2 cups of almond milk and get my daily B12 intake. You can get iodine from these sources: www.skinnylimits.com/.../
Once again, protein originally comes from plants so you can get all the protein you need from plants. Fruits and vegetables are high in carbohydrates so there's tons of energy for the baby.

[0asis]

The whole "you need meat and dairy to be healthy" is a load of propaganda.
Studies:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12433724

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis your studies are all bogus and paid for by anti-meat groups. Vegan diets damage children's development. We've been eating meat and drinking dairy since the dawn of civilisation.

[0asis]

No, they're not. They are completely unbiased studies. There is no such thing as "anti-meat groups". And no vegan company or organization has the funds to spend making "bogus studies". The government and the animal agriculture industries have billions of dollars so who out of the 2 would be more likely to spread propaganda and misinformation?

Plant-based diets do not damage a child's development. In fact, they are better for children; as studies have shown. You can deny it all you want, but it's been scientifically proven that diets with animal products give babies and children atherosclerosis. Just because we have been doesn't mean it's healthy. And if you go back, our ancestors were actually vegetarians: blogs.scientificamerican.com/.../

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis sorry a blog?

[0asis]

What does the format of the website have to do with the credibility of the information? You can't criticize my sources when the video you keep showing is not in any way a credible source at all.
This is another source that shows studies that our earliest ancestors ate a diet consisting mostly of plants: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4163920/
www.inverse.com/.../31625-human-evolution-meat-eating-vegan-africa-grassland-hunting

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis "Certainly at later points in human evolution meat eating became a bigger part of life, and this very well may have contributed significantly to the animals that we have become. But as early Homo 2.8 million years ago and vegans today show, you don’t need to ingest animal protein to be smart." 2.8 million years ago homo were unevolved grass eating prehumans who didn't speak and had barely learnt to craft tools. Basically the source confirms that modern man couldn't have evolved without eating meat.
3.3 mya Australopithecus- Vegan
2.1 mya Homo habilis-Vegan
1.8 may Homo erectus- meat eater
700,000 years ago Neanderthal-meat eater
700,000 years ago Denisovan- meat eater
300,000 homo sapiens- meat eater
It was when early humans started eating meat that they began evolving. Homo erectus and others discovered fire thanks to eating meat.

[0asis]

I never said we never ate meat but we haven't been eating it since the beginning of time. We were for a long time only eating plants. And even though we may have hunted sometimes, we were still mostly vegetarian. Even back then, they weren't healthy eating meat: ivu.org/history/early/ancestors.html#erectus
Under Homo Erectus: "A female skeleton from 1.6 million years ago has symptoms of hypervitaminosis, ie excess of vitamin A which is most likely caused by eating carnivore livers."
The Inuit diets are mostly meat and they don't live very long and end up getting diseases really early on in their lives: www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2015nl/apr/eskimos.htm
Eating meat for survival is totally fine, but the way the rest of the world is eating it is not humane in any way. There is no compassionate way to take another sentient being's life. And just because our ancestors did it, that doesn't make it okay for us to slaughter billions of animals for our taste pleasure

[0asis]

You know what else our ancestors did? They owned slaves; they raped each other; they killed each other. If you want to justify your actions by what our ancestors did, then we have to justify other horrible things we did. We had slaves for thousands of years. Does that make slavery moral? See, we cannot justify our actions based on what we did in the past because we are more developed, more civilized now. And we don't need to kill animals to get the vitamins and nutrients we need. It's already been proven by the millions of people who have already went vegan. Jehina Malik has been vegan since birth and she's a bodybuilder. So you can thrive on a plant-based diet if you do it correctly. You can be even healthier plant-based than you can on a standard diet.

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis Homo Erectus was a primitive human that only started evolving after they began eating meat.
The innuit lower life expectancy of 68 years and other health problems are caused by living in harsh conditions and living hard lives as well as the consumption of western foods. Innuit have adapted to their climate and diet over thousands of years. They abnormally large livers to assist in the process of gluconeogenesis and eat raw meat to absorb better vitamins lost when meat is cooked. This diet effective in keeping the body warm, making the body strong, keeping the body fit, and even making that body healthy. Our ancestors ate meat becauae it was necessary and the best way to fuel their bodies and to support large communities and evolve ever more complex societies. If a vegan diet was more effective for survival and healthier our ancestors would have done that instead of eating meat.

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis Body builders tend to be physically weak and lacking in stamina, all show and no go. Jehina Malik is likely on steroids and she needs to take supplements to pump up her body mass which shows the weakness of a vegan diet. Supplements are unnatural substances.
Animals are not people and it's wrong to treat them as such instead of recognising them for what they are. Also using the slavery argument is bullshit too because there are more people in slavery right now than there has ever been.

[0asis]

If meat is so healthy for us, why are so many people getting heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and why do they have so many deficiencies? Why do people have iron deficiencies? All nutrients, protein, and vitamins come from plants. The only reason they are in animals is because the animals eat plants. So you can more than thrive on a plant-based diet.

The Inuit people have adapted but that's for survival purposes. That doesn't mean they are healthy in any way.
Study that talks about lower bone density in Inuit people: academic.oup.com/.../4911797?redirectedFrom=PDF
Their life expectancy is also shorter: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18457208

Jehina Malik is actually not on steroids. Don't make assumptions because that does not prove your argument in any way. The farmers give all the animals supplements, growth hormones, and antibiotics so by what you're saying, that makes the animals you eat pretty unnatural.

[0asis]

Animals aren't people but they are sentient beings, they feel pain, they have a brain and nervous system, they have emotions. Why is it wrong to treat other living beings with respect? That is the most preposterous thing I've ever heard.

It's actually not bullshit. I know it's still prevalent but just because slavery is still happening, that doesn't make it moral or okay to do. Yeah, people still own slaves but does that make it moral and justify owning a person as a slave? People are still killing and murdering other people but does that mean we should go out and murder people? Tons of people are raped, does that mean we can morally justify raping someone?

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis people are dying of cancer and diabetes due to poor diet such as eating too much sugar and drinking too many soft drinks, alcohol abuse and eating processed meats which contain lots chemicals, salts and non organic ingredients. People have iron and vitamin defenancies because they don't eat a balanced diet. Vitamin deficiencies are a major problem within the vegan community. BMD and the risk of bone fracture is a concern when there is an inadequate intake of calcium and vitamin D. Where available, calcium- and vitamin D–fortified foods should be regularly consumed. There is a need for more studies on the relation between vegan diets and risk of cancer, diabetes, and osteoporosis.
As for the Inuit people they live in a harsh enviorment and have hard lives unlike most sedinatory city dwellers so naturally they have short lives.

[Catholicgirl22]

Jehina Malik is on steroids and unnatural supplement which is why she's unnaturally that way.
The meat I eat is not processed and organically reared and mostly grass fed.
If you object to slavery then check the clothes you wear. Those bike were made by a child worker. That diamond ring came from the Congo.

[0asis]

No, actually, the leading cause of heart disease right now is cholesterol, which is only found in animal products. You cannot avoid cholesterol when eating animals. Cholesterol clogs your arteries and eventually causes heart disease. And heart disease is the leading cause of death among adults in the US. Vegans don't eat any meat and the ones who are eating properly have 0 deficiencies. Not one.
Meat can cause cancer and diabetes as well: www.cancercouncil.com.au/.../

That is a flat out lie, vitamin deficiencies are not a major problem in the vegan community. You know where calcium comes from originally? PLANTS. Vegans get plenty of calcium without intaking a ton of cholesterol. Dairy actually increases your chance of osteoperosis: nutritionfacts.org/.../

[0asis]

The diet of the Inuit people leads to them having atherosclerosis and a shorter lifespan as there's a ton of cholesterol in their diet. So yes, they have to eat meat for survival but that doesn't mean they are healthy in any way.

How do you know she's on steroids? You can't claim something that isn't true. She is not on steroids. She eats a very strict diet, CLEAN diet. She doesn't need steroids. She gets her protein straight from the source, aka PLANTS.

I can believe slavery is wrong. I know that sweat shops exist and I can't stop that but that doesn't mean we all should treat all beings like an object.

As for grass-fed animals, it still has the same amount of cholesterol so it's not that much healthier than the regular animals. You're still intaking a lot of cholesterol so it's still not that healthy.

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis meat mau cause cancer because of the pesticides cows ear but most vegetables are sprayed with that too.
Vegans suffer from brittle bones, vitamin defecancies that's a fact. Vitamin B-12, or cobalamin, is one nutrient that will be lacking because it's only found in foods of animal origin. Vitamin B-12 is needed for normal nerve function and blood cell production, and a deficiency which leads to a condition called pernicious anemia.

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis Real vitamin A, called retinol is only found in animal foods. Plant foods contain vitamin A precursors, such as beta-carotene that requires conversion into real vitamin A by the liver and intestines if conditions are right. However, some gene mutations can decrease ones ability to make this conversion by up to 90%! Aside from genetic mutations that can impact ones ability to get real vitamin A from plant foods like carrots and sweet potatoes, there are also non-genetic factors such as poor gut health, low thyroid function (will slow the conversion of beta carotene to vitamin A), liver disease, and nutritional deficiencies that greatly reduce your body’s ability to make this conversion.

[Catholicgirl22]

@0asis inniits live a hard life, people who live hard lives tend to live shorter lives and develop more health problems.
Bodybuilder and atheletes use steroids. Lance Armstrong is a Vegan.
Cholesterol is healthy for you just as alcohol, salts, milk and sugar is but like the Greeks say everything in moderation. It's no good saying cholesterol is the number 1 killer when if you looked at the people who actually die of heart failure you see they are obese, unfit, have an inherited condition or have lived a hard life.

[0asis]

That's true but there's more pesticides in meat (as the animals eat a ton more plants) than you would intake if you ate the plants themselves. So you're ingesting more pesticides when you eat animals.
All that stuff is a flat out lie, definitely not a fact at all. Vegans do not suffer from brittle bones or deficiencies. People who eat animals suffer from heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and most people on standard diets are deficient in tons of vitamins and nutrients. B12 is not only found in animals. It actually originally comes from microorganisms in the dirt, which the animals eat. b12 comes from dirt. But you can get b12 fortified in plant milks and soy products. Drink 2 cups of almond milk and you get your daily intake of b12.

Your Vitamin A argument is false as well. ALL vitamins and nutrients come from plants. They are NOT naturally in animals. The only reason the animals have those nutrients in their bodies is because they eat PLANTS.

[0asis]

So you can get all vitamins, including vitamin A from plants:
https://veganhealth.org/vitamin-a/

Eating a plant-based diet can actually reverse a lot of diseases and problems with your body. So removing animals from your diet can actually reduce any problems you have.

They do but their animal-heavy diet also contributes to their health problems and shorter lifespan.

Some bodybuilders and athletes do use steroids. SOME. Not ALL. Jehina Malik does not use any steroids. Just eats all her protein and vitamins straight from the source, aka plants.

No, cholesterol is actually very unhealthy. Our body already creates the amount of cholesterol we need so taking in cholesterol from another body is not healthy for us in any way. Neither are oil or milk. Cow milk is actually shown to increase the risk of osteoporosis. You're not a baby cow so you don't need to drink cow milk. You don't need to keep breastfeeding, especially from another species.

[0asis]

"Everything In Moderation"
https://youtu.be/Z-S21l0Xa_s

[Blunique]

Some people have had involuntary vegetarian eating habits. Not everyone eats meat every day. So I've learned in my personal nutrition class.

[binarybabe001]

These are all really good suggestions. Thanks for being nice about it :)

[Pineapple_Boy]

The carbon footprint of most of the fruits and vegetables vegans eat (shipping from overseas) is greater than if you ate meat from your local farms. y'all should think about that.

[Mr_Jolly]

I've been vegetarian since I was 15. I appreciate the idea of veganism but, for me, I chose something sustainable and affordable (both timewise and financially). I find both vegans and omnivores look down on vegetarians though.

[Wemix]

Indeed nowadays I see more "vegan" products than "vegetarian" ones. You've been put out of the market, people only talk about vegans or omnivores now.

[wyldun]

if it was natural for life to be vegan we wouldn't have any predators

[Bluedream13]

'even' going vegetarian is a huge step? What do you mean 'even' ? Going vegetarian is THE BIGGEST STEP wtf!

[Goddess_Gag18]

I'm not sure can be helpful here. I enjoy a bit of chicken on my bone.

[Goddess_Gag18]

Most of the time, meatless but never spineless.

[Heythere2013]

How about you do your thing, I do mine? Is that really hard to understand?

[Lilyanony]

I pretty much live this way anyways but I could make some more changes I guess

[PeterVeen]

If the little girl in the picture is finished can I have the leftover steak?

[Max_winner1]

I'm reading this as I'm eating some nice marinaded steak soaking and massaged everyday for 5 days in the fridge. OMG this is so good!

[100lbguy]

Not all societies can easily switch to veganism because my people eat a lot of meat (low life expectancy sadly because of that) and the reason is that we nomads that herds animals.

[Jackblue]

Look Ms. it is only a matter of time before synthetic lab produced meat replaces real meat. Like all synthetic things, it will eventually be cheaper, it is just how human society works

[WhereAmI]

Meh, I eat mostly fish for protein. Only occasionally will I have an Angus sirloin steak. Most times I'm lazy and eat cereal. Salads for lunch.

[lporter]

Love my cow medium rare with a large chocolate milk shake

[IMissDara]

None of the things you suggested are too radical, except for the ‘no red meat’. A steak is god damned delicious.

[Iron_Man]

Wait I have to quit meat? But I'm a Burger King fanatic I don't think I want to do that

[ReachingNirvana]

I didn't say you have to quit meat silly, read the whole thing.

[Iron_Man]

Yes ma'am

[ReachingNirvana]

Thank you <3

[Iron_Man]

I'll read it tonight my queen after I workout 😍