Dear Meat Eaters, You Can Help Too :)

[ReachingNirvana]

Hello there everyone. I’m Haely, and I’m an ethical vegan. Unlike some of the very abrasive vegans out there and their extreme views, I believe veganism is ideal for the sake of reducing suffering and harm to the planet. I don’t believe it’s the “nutritionally superior” diet, as no diet truly is, and I don’t believe all meat eaters are bad people.

Love, compassion, peace <3 <3

I also don’t believe you need to be vegan to help the animals or the planet. It’s the biggest way to help, but it isn’t the only way. I believe even small differences make a huge difference, so here are some ways you can help without being totally vegan!

Meatless Mondays

This is a fun and easier one that can give your tummy a break from digesting things like red meats. It’s also super easy and anyone can do it! Swap out your favourite meat-based meal for a veggie or vegan alternative, like spaghetti with veggie grounds or black-bean tacos! There’s so many awesome recipes out there, and with so many Mondays in a year, you could really benefit the planet and the animals by making this small change.

Switching to dairy-free milk

Nut milks and soy beverages have come a LONG way! Arguably, they’re even tastier than regular milks, and being fortified with extra calcium means they’re even good for you too! Instead of having milk in your cereal or coffee, try a yummy nut or soy beverage.

Being flexitarian

A term used to describe a vegan who isn’t strictly a dietary vegan. There are lots of people who can’t go vegan because they love cheese, or fish, or they’re scared of the social aspect of having to go out to eat or eat with family. This is where freeganism comes in.

“Be vegan at home, but not outside.”

If you could be “mostly vegan” by eating vegan but still eating cheese, that’s still great! If you’re vegan except for when you eat with family or at restaurants? That’s still a big step! This is all helpful, and it’s amazing! Even going vegetarian is a big step or eating meatless most days except for weekends. These are things everyone can do.

Stop eating red meat (or one meat/fish/dairy group)

The issue of carbon emissions is a big one, but we can reduce it by even just cutting out steak and burgers from our diets. If you remove even this one meat product, you can help limit suffering and your carbon footprint.

Use biodegradable products

Paper towels, cleaners – there’s lots of product that reduce harm to the planet that work excellently that you can use! This reduces the impact we have on this lovely earth that houses all of us and other beautiful creatures.

Well, there you go! Some easy things even meat eaters can do to help the cause! I hope you all enjoyed it, please be kind in the comments and respect everyone’s choices and opinions. I didn’t come here to judge or persecute anyone, so I request you do the same.

Of course, I would love it if everyone was vegan, but I understand it isn't easy to do. So, if you do even a small, little thing, that's good enough for me.

Peace and love to all of you angels.

[Anonymous]

wtf im full of this shit, why you are trying to get more people to be vegans? Not only you, most of vegans are trying to get other people to not eat meat. STOP. UR ANOYING u know that? MEAT IS NOT A BAD THING. Without meat is actually bad to live and stop with this bullshit like meat is going to kill you, yea its going to kill you if you live like retard and have 0 activity, ur going to die anyway then. Im super healthy and before i had super low body fat with huge amount of muscle for 17yo and u know what helped me? Meat lol yea weird fact hmmm. Without meat its impossible to build muscle and meat gives you extra energy. Just stop with stupid posts about Vegans, WE DONT CARE, i won't stop eat meat and u will get nothing with that. Thanks.

[ReachingNirvana]

This article isn't about trying to make people be vegans, my angel.

[Opinion Owner]

no, ur just trying to prove us that meat is bad but to keep eating it. And what are you doing in life? I just commented and you read&replied in like half minute? seems legit

[ReachingNirvana]

I never said meat is bad, my angel, I understand the nutritional value of it. I don't believe people should be vegan for health reasons, but for the planets and the animals.

Peace and love, brother <3

[Opinion Owner]

please at least dislike my comment ffs

[ReachingNirvana]

I would never do that. I believe everyone has the right to speak their truths, even if that means they insult me or demean me. It's okay, because I believe in my own truth and in light, love, and acceptance, so I have no reason to dislike you. Those kinds of things are well beyond me.

[Benedek38]

Hi Haely, I'm Ben. I recycle, and I care about out environment. But I also like meat, eggs, and dairy products.
Also, I don't appreciate having to buy vegan food in small packages and using vegan ingredients that cost 2 or 3 times as much, and produce a lot more waste than regular products.

So I wish you the best, but there is no way on Earth I am going close to veganism, or even venetarianism.
With all due respect, Imma make some juicy steak now.

[Unit1]

I second this. Very Nicely said.

[ReachingNirvana]

You don't have to buy only vegan products Ben, there's lots of easier and cheap alternatives like beans and legumes, tofu, and others! All of these are much more natural, very cheap and very good for you. Also, you don't have to be vegetarian or vegan, small changes, like Meatless Mondays, help too.

Peace and love <3

[Benedek38]

I don't know where you live.
Around here, tofu is rather expensive - apart from being tasteless.
I eat beans and legumes, but the problem with those is that they contain way too much carbohidrates and fats for my taste. Essentially if you want to get proteins from legumes, you can ONLY eat those. Want a slice of bread with it? Too much carbs. Plus let's be honest, beans are just as bland as tofu. And they make you feel like your belly is full of concrete.

"All of these are much more natural, very cheap and very good for you."
More natural than what? Meat? Humans were always omnivores.

I am not rich. I eat meat when I can. My taste is defined by my wallet. So forgive me for saying this, but I really can't take a burden that I can't even associate with. My life is chaotic as it is already. I don't need unnecessary mental barriers to feel bad about eating a hot dog on a Monday.

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[ReachingNirvana]

Where I am, it is quite cheap, but steak is most definitely far more expensive than tofu where I am! :)

[ReachingNirvana]

As well, I don't necessarily paint veganism or any variant as superior in regards to health. Both plant-based and meat-based diets have drawbacks, as all diets do. <3

[Benedek38]

If you made it your goal to make meat production more humane - I am all for it. Hell, I wouldn't be against synthetic meats either, as long as they don't feel like plastic. I hate that animals have to suffer even a bit for my lifestyle, but I accept that this is the way life works right now, and I admit that I am selfish - I put my own happiness in front of that of an animal I have never seen.

That being said, slaughterhouses already use relatively humane methods. The feeding process is not sanitary, but the slaughtering is almost painless, and is regulated by law to not cause any distress to the animal.

If you want to help this cause, I suggest turning your goggles towards halal meat, or dhabihah slaughtering. Without wanting to go into detain, halal slaughterhouses use extremely unsanitary and terrifying, outdated methods to kill animals. And halal meats make up a significant percentage of even Canadian meat production. I suggest researching it, and campaigning against it.

[CHARismatic110]

More people than you think eat a "flexitarian" diet. I don't eat meat everyday and not even on purpose. I eat red meat probably once a month even though I should probably be eating it more often because I'm chronically anemic and need the iron. Cheese and I will always be best friends, even being lactose intolerant lol. I will give you credit for being probably the least abrasive vegan I've come across tho. Not everyone is going to take to your message positively because simply put, people like their meat. And they don't wanna be told that they shouldn't eat it or to change it.

[Alice2398]

I didn't even really read this but I do have one day in the week when I don't meat for dinner but the picture of the little girl hugging the cow is really cute that's the only thing i came for lol

[ReachingNirvana]

That's okay, thank you for coming by anywways. <3

[MrKinktastic]

Thank you for being reasonable with your views. I disagree with a number of them but I appreciate that you were able to put them in a concise way and back them up with the reasons you believe them.

Personally my answer to this moral dilemma was to raise my own meat and buy from local farmers. I know they had a good life and a quick death without undue suffering. Currently I see bigger issues with our heavy input model of agriculture, particularly the damage tilling and pesticides/fertilizers are causing. From my studies in agriculture livestock are an integral part of the carbon cycle and are required to fight the desertification side effects of vegetable production. There's more than one reason most of the ancient societies only farmed river valleys with regular floods, one of them is that the outlying areas dried out very early in the agricultural revolution.

I think there's a place for both omnivores and vegans and that we will do a lot more for animal welfare by working together rather than fighting with each other.

[hellionthesagereborn]

https://youtu.be/RyNmgSefNA4

You are not helping animals any more then a meat eater is. In nature animals get eaten, that's their existence, with humans they are actually protected for longer periods of time before getting eaten and are assured that they will reproduce, that's not the case if we simply let these animals go. Yes we could be doing better, the industrialization of ranching has made things worse, we should allow them to be free range grass fed animals but that's different then claiming that its some how unethical to eat animals. Hunters are actually the most ethical meat eaters as they stick to the natural selection process, they eat what they kill nothing more nothing less, which does not fit into your idea of ethical treatment of animals even though it is as natural as it gets. Also as the link I provided shows, farming is not particularly ethical, at least not more then ranching and eating animals as it hurts not only animals, destroys habitats, produces nitrogen run off that kills off large amounts of aquatic life due to the increased algae blooms but it also can negatively impact human life. Their is no ethical diet, but you can incorporate as many ethical practices as you can into the farming and ranching.

[Anonymous]

I understand that some people don't want to be the reason why an animal was killed, however veganism is just a step too far. I don't see why you would cut dairy out of your diet for a reason that isn't medical. Okay some cows are really badly treated when their milk is being taken, but if you want to treat animals like humans are being treated then taking their milk is completely right. They are taken care off, have a roof on their head, get walked out in their natural habitat and are even being fed. For a human to get all that he would need a job and will have to pay. Cows can't work, the only thing they can give us is themselves or so at least their milk. So their milk is just a payback for all the things they get knowing that most of the time the farmers taking care of them get barely enough money to live.

You could say that cows didn't ask to be taken care of but in the world we live in where surpopulation will soon be a problem, we can't just leave them walking around in cities that aren't made for them and as we're stealing their ground for our people the best we can do for them is excluding them in places we will have made good enough for them to not try to leave. But still we'll get what we can from them as nothing in this world is free, even for animals.

[Brewmaster531]

This is a fantastic take, coming from a daily meat eater, mostly red meat. The reason I love this take is that it doesn't say what NOT to do (except the red meat part), you say what we can do and how that helps. Your words weren't pointed at anyone. It's great information and sound advice. For now, I can't see myself coming around to this, but i don't doubt I will at some point. I do often take long breaks from eating beef and pork though. I do plan to open a restaurant and I do want to provide a menu for those with food allergies, which include vegan options, as some people are vegan by force, not choice, so I'd love to provide options.

[Oram52]

I already to meat free day.

Reduced my red meat intake for heaalth reasons, not completely given up. I have to say red meat definitely taste better though despite be cutting down on it.

Dairy free milks are not a good alternative because ones available in supermarkets are just gunk, milk from only smaller proportion of nuts, rest is just other chemicals added to make it taste betetr. Even calcium added is aritifical. If you make nut milk at home its very expensive, and its just a lot of waste.

In terms of being flexitarian I would say I'm close. I'm looking to further lower meat intake so hopefully be more of a felxitarian.

Do my best to help the environment.

[FMJ_Guy]

With all due respect to your feelings and what you do, are you like one of those 'Religious Freaks' that seems to need to 'spread the word' and 'convert' people?
I know two vegetarians, and two vegans, and they are constantly sending me recipes for their kind of food. I NEVER send them things about cooking steaks, or eating chicken.
Why do Vegetarians, and Vegans, IN GENERAL, seem to need to send recipes to their friends that are not, like you want to 'convert' us, or 'shame' us, for eating things that humans have eaten since we EVOLVED INTO HUMANS!

[TripleAce]

hi Haely... Im so glad you feel that way
I really hate how we factor farm animals today... they are literally being tortured.. a mother cow is giving birth to babies her whole life just to produce milk and the baby is always taken away from her...

its so bad...
the pigs... pigs are so smart... aren't they smarter than dogs I think...
and yet we kill them..

we kill all these animals to eat food when we can easily survive off a plant based diet
aiyyy.. watch a guy on youtube named Joey Carbstrong... an awesome vegan activist

[xHoneyxBeex]

I have Celiac Disease which means I have to eat gluten free. I also try to be dairy free because I just have a lot of stomach issues from the Celiac and dairy doesn't sit well with me. So regarding one of your points, I do drink soy milk and use vegan butter and cheese for dairy alternatives. But honestly, eating gluten free kind of sucks. My diet is so limited so I'm not going to intentionally limit myself even more. I don't want to make eating harder than it needs to be. Lol

That being said, I do appreciate the way you presented this myTake. It was calm, rational, and not pushy (like many vegetarians/vegans tend to be, unfortunately). So thanks for sharing and maybe it will inspire some people to make those small changes. :)

[0asis]

The definition of humane is having or showing compassion so how do you kill a sentient being with compassion?
The cruel part is, in order to milk them, they have to forcibly impregnate the cows as the only way for cows to produce milk is for them to give birth, just like for humans. And then they take their babies away and kill off the boys. How is that not cruel? The cows also get abused so that's not cruelty either?

"Yes I've been taught human lives are more important than animal lives." This is the problem in society. We value some lives over others when all lives are valuable. We don't HAVE to harm animals to survive. We don't need to do what we're doing to them as we have tons of alternatives to meat, dairy, and eggs. It's all so unnecessary.

So you have compassion for animals but you're living out of alignment with your morals. If there's a way to kindly, compassionately kill another being, tell me how you would do it

[0asis]

Oops. Meant for this to be a reply to a comment. Don't know what happened 😅

[Alexandrianaleigh]

Cow's milk is gross. I didn't eat it for a week (but ate other dairy), and instead drank soy milk, and when I tried to drink cow's milk again, it tasted gross, and I threw up. This has happened every time since then too.
I mean, cow's milk is meant to provide food for calf that can't provide for themselves yet, it is not meant for humans. Human mothers are not selling their breast milk to cows, or something else to drink, it is strictly for their babies.
But I did used to really like the taste of cow's milk. And I'm not hating on anyone that still does.

[Eva323]

I’m the opposite of you. I do it for health, but I’ll personally cook meat for you if you want it. I’m a good cook. I don’t eat that stuff because it makes me ill.
I have had lung problems all of my life. It has gotten so bad as to become pneumonia. Since I stopped, my lung problems have reduced 100 fold. In the beginning when I started reducing meat I would notice an hour after eating it that my lungs would start to ache and my breathing would go back to the way it was. I’ll never go back if I don’t have to because it’s been a miracle cure for me, but I don’t expect others to come to the same conclusion I did or have the same experiences I did.

[passinby]

I hunt and butcher my food when I can. There is no better source of healthy protein than wild game. I grow my own vegetables and citrus too but I have no intention of starving to death for some foolishness. I need my damn meat, dammit. I am an "abrasive" carnivore.

Actually, I have almost eliminated dairy just because I am approaching 8% bodyfat and building. Whey is the only dairy I do now. I eat many of the things you list also already. Nut milks are good.

[es20490446e]

70% of people in the United States would die from diseases that by having a diet based on fruits and vegetables would be almost impossible to have.

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I wish vegans would eat meat. Theyre so selfish for not eating it, I wish they would stop being vegan and adapt to my own viewpoint, because thats how i think and feel so it must be the right way to live...

This is how vegans are ^... And its fucking tiresome.. Noone cares about the special snowflake diet generation..

[0asis]

Most vegans were meat eaters before going vegan. I ate meat for 22 years and recently went vegan. So your point here is invalid. All we ask is for people to open their minds and put themselves in the victims shoes. Maybe you're tired of hearing about it but maybe try seeing it from the animal's point of view who are tortured, neglected, and abused on a daily basis on factory farms. When we look at injustice, do we look at it from the perpetrators perspective or the victims?

It's not a snowflake diet, it's the only way forward. The rainforest is being destroyed so people can grow soybean crops for livestock so people can eat them, which is destroying the ecosystem. The oceans are being overfished and the runoff from factory farms is causing dead zones in the ocean. It's estimated by 2048, the oceans will be fishless which means lack of oxygen for us and no future for our children.

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@0asis Look at the way you say your points though, From your first paragraph to the last you demonize everyone who dosen't want to be vegan. Make them feel guilty, make them feel like theyre wrong. You just perfectly illustrated my first point,

You can't just say ''Hey, i know you eat meat, but.. its causing some issues, so, how about just eating a little less meat eh?''. But no.. its always ''Hey, i know you like meat, this makes you a murderer and a torturer or poor innocent beautiful little animals who scream out for their mummies as theyre brutally massacred for your bloodthirsty taste for their flesh''..

Eugh.. Its fuckin boring to listen to... Imagine if we started every single sentence explaining how ''Personally, as a meat eater'', or.. ''Recenently i was enlightened into the ways of meat eating''..

Most vegans, dont give a shit about the planet benefits, they do it for some vapid, idiotic, trent based feeling of social superiority. Vegan is a fashion statement...

[0asis]

That may be the way you view it but I DO NOT demonize anyone. I've seen more angry meat-eaters than I have angry vegans. We are all very compassionate people, give or take the sparse few that are quite aggressive but that is not who the majority of vegans are. Vegans are the nicest people I've ever met.

The thing is, if you kindly ask people to stop eating meat, that's not gonna do shit. Like, if I had asked you to stop eating meat you probably would have said no way. I know because I've been where you're at. I didn't want to stop eating meat. The only way I changed is seeing and learning about the factory farms. That's the way people's brains work. You need to see it for yourself.

Did I say anything like that? No. I didn't. I simply asked you to see it from another point of view and all I'm trying to do is spread awareness. I know it's hard to hear that. No one wants to hear they are paying for animal cruelty but that's the honest to god truth

[0asis]

I don't know where you get your information from but all the vegans I met and seen are doing it for ethical reasons, to save animals and save the planet. That's what veganism is about. It's not about a "trend" or any of that bs. It's about helping animals.

Vegan is not a fashion statement. I know for a fact that it's not. You are so wrong. If you wanna talk about fashion statement diets, look at the paleo diet. Now that's a fad. You don't go vegan because it's "cool", you go vegan because you don't want to cause suffering to any beings of any kind.

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@0asis Eh..

My view on it, if you want to be Vegan, thats fucking cool by me, its your life, you put whatever the hell you want in your body, But i don't want to be vegan, I love my fruits and veggies, and often eat meals entirely comprising of them, I don't drink cow milk, only Almond / soy. But, I just genuinely love fish and meat. So i'ma keep eating them the same way we have done for tens of thousands of years.

I'm quite fortunate on the small island where i live, knowing that all the meat i consume is left to free roam and killed humanely and in a sustainable fashion, And all the fish i eat (Mainly salmon) again, is grown here in large reservoir's in pens. So it dosen't damage the stocks of wild fish.

Being vegan is not 'the only way forward', Its just a social symbol for the instagram generation to think they look like cool shit showing off their plate of grass on social media.

There are plenty of ways you can eat meat in a sustainable and humane fashion..

[0asis]

Humane means having or showing compassion so how do you kill a sentient being compassionately?

If you go back, we were actually mostly ate plants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVC124OTe70

It will be one day. We will have no choice but to be vegan. I understand you have those resources available to you but most people do not and they just go buy animal products from the grocery store (which gets their product from factory farms).

What ways are those? Enlighten me.

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@0asis ''Humane means having or showing compassion so how do you kill a sentient being compassionately?''. By making it quick and painless. For instance, I would say shooting a human in the brain is a Humane way of killing them, but slitting their artery's and letting them bleed to death is inhumane... Same applies to animals. Quick / painless death = humane. The fact they are sentient or not is irrelevent.

You know in the west, When say, lambs are killed for their meat, A piston bolt fires into the brain killing them instantly. lets say that same lamb is left in the wild, And its slowly ripped apart and mauled to death by a lion, You tell me which method of death is more humane? Exactly..

''It will be one day. We will have no choice but to be vegan''. Perhaps due to overpopulation sure, But, when we reach that point there also would not be enough land to farm enough vegetation to feed everyone either.

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@0asis Also, As for your refference about how when human first came from ape we mostly ate fruit and berries, Yes, this is true, then at some point man discovered fire, and when meat it cooked, it allows us to absorb so so so so many more nutrients and proteins from it, this in turn helped out brains develop into what is now, the most intelligent beings on the planet.

It is very very very well documented that the ability for us to eat cooked meat was a major major factor in the development of the human brain and as a result our civilization as a whole, to deny that, is just to bury your head in sand.

Hey, im not an idiot, i realise animals can feel emotions / pain, i own many myself, and absolutely love all kinds of animals, Seriously, all, i even lovingly care for fuckin tarantulas and shit, haha.

Ey, I feed my Tarantulas living bugs, Thats all they can eat. And its brutal and horrible. But thats life. If they can do that, Im aloud some humanely killed meat...

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@0asis Vegans do a lot of pissing and moaning about Humans eating meat, What happens if we didnt? Almost all farm yard animals would go extinct as they are completely incapable of surviving in the wild, Dairy cows for instance are actually in great pain by NOT being milked. Pigs, A talking point for vegans about the loving nature and intelligence of animals, Would also die out.

So, To you, And the rest of the vegans, Having these animals go extinct, Is better then us eating them?

Why is it smarter and more.. 'economical' from a nutrient perspective, For us to just let all these animals die then to harness their calorific contents for own use? Why literally waste something we could use ourselves?

This is life. The universe dosent care about your feelings. We all die one day anyway... Animals are no more valuable then us, And we non more then them, We just happen to be higher in the food chain.

Again, this has nothing to do with you helping animals, Its just a stupid fad.

[0asis]

So by your logic, it's okay to kill someone if you shoot them in the head? And I've seen how bolt guns to the head of animals work. It is neither quick or painless as it doesn't kill the animal instantly. The animal is still alive after even while getting its throat slit and hung up on the conveyor. It's still alive.

You cannot compare what a lion does to what a human does as humans have something called moral agency. Which means we have the ability to make moral judgements based on the notion of right and wrong and we can be held accountable for those actions. Lions are wild animals and do not have moral agency. Lions are doing it for survival. We are doing it for our own taste pleasure. We do not need to eat animals to survive so your point/argument here is invalid.

It takes FAR more land to grow and feed livestock than it does to feed humans. We currently produce enough plants to feed 800 million people but most of that food is going to farm animals.

[0asis]

It's simply not sustainable in anyway to feed the entire world animals. If the world were vegan, we would be able to end world hunger with how much plants we have. Like I said, we could feed 800 million people but instead, it's going to animals so we can eat recycled plant matter from their bodies.

Those nutrients do not come from animals, they come from plants. Animals don't naturally have those nutrients in them. They have to get them from somewhere just like we do. And to get those nutrients, they eat plants. So you're eating recycled plant matter.

I'm not denying it, I'm saying we didn't only eat meat. There was more to our diet than meat.

That's great you're so kind to animals and you love them. But isn't it kind of hypocritical to say you love animals but you're paying for others to die so you can eat them?

That's fine. Being vegan isn't about being perfect, it's about doing the best you can to lessen your impact on the planet.

[0asis]

Just by living on this planet, we create an impact but does that mean we should make the biggest impact possible?

They would go to sanctuaries and live out their lives. I guarantee you, they wouldn't go extinct. There's currently 56 billion of them on the planet so as the demand for their bodies goes down, the population will definitely decrease but they won't go extinct. They will maintain a steady population.

Cows are a species of mammal, meaning they only produce milk when they are pregnant and after giving birth. They don't create milk 24/7. That is a lie. Like humans, we only produce milk for our babies. So no, cows are not in pain all the time if they are not milked because after a certain amount of time, the body stops producing milk until the next pregnancy/birth.

They would not die out. I promise they wouldn't.

Again, they aren't going to go extinct. No need to worry about that. There's sanctuaries that will take incredible care of them

[0asis]

They won't all die out and disappear forever. There just won't be millions anymore. The way we are using them is quite cruel if you really look into it. Cows live to be around 26 years old but in the dairy industry, they only live to be 4 or 5 years old because they are constantly giving birth and being milked so much. Cows aren't supposed to be milked or give birth as much as they are in the dairy industry.

It's smarter and more economical because with the food we are feeding to livestock, we could feed the entire planet instead. And the rainforests are being destroyed to grow soybean crops for livestock so people can eat them. We wouldn't need even close to that amount of space if the world were vegan.

Food Chain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-truOzeWBR8

It does though. It truly does. It's not a stupid fad. I am never ever eating another animal again. It's for ethical reasons. And one day you will see for yourself like I did

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@0asis ''We currently produce enough plants to feed 800 million people''... Oh thats good!, so just... 6,700,000,000 needed for the rest of the population of earth then?

''So by your logic, it's okay to kill someone if you shoot them in the head?''. Well, No, because murder is illegal, but, to go along with your point, If there was a war or something, or if the person in question was criminal, I think shooting them in the head would be one of the more moral ways to kill them yes.

I suppose, The difference between you and me is, You seem to value life / sentience / emotion, And i don't. I don't value the lives of animals, humans, Anything, we all just die one day to me, and we are nothing more then food to each other.

As i said, in original reply, if you wanna be vegan, whatever, thats cool, but, i utterly could not give a shite about any of the arguments for being vegan, and never will be. Because. just as the animals lives dont matter, neither does yours, my own, or our opinion

[0asis]

That's solely for animals alone. That's not including all the other plants we currently grow.

Unlike a criminal, animals are innocent, they have done absolutely nothing wrong to deserve a bullet in the head.

Just because we all die one day doesn't mean we should treat other beings on this earth poorly.

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@0asis Eh, Again, Its a question of morales here, You think that, I don't really care. 60 years time when you and me are dead, None of this will matter anyway. So.. Aye. whatever.

[0asis]

Well, just know that you're consciously paying for animal cruelty and paying for animals to die. You're funding animal cruelty. If you're okay with that, then that's unfortunate but I hope one day you choose to open your eyes and your heart to all animals because it's the right thing to do

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@0asis Haha, Well i'm glad i am, because they are oh so so delicious. Infact, i may even start paying more, If you'd also like to know, I had a BBQ before, and, the little bit of each meat i took, I effectively paid for the deaths of 4 different animals!, 4!!, isn't that awesome!. Haha, Infact, i might do the exact same thing again tomorrow.

[0asis]

Studies have shown that eating meat actually decreases your testosterone as there's now so many hormones and estrogen in animal products. So there's another fun fact. Enjoy your journey to heart disease, possibly diabetes, and decreased testosterone

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@0asis Of the three you just said, Heart disease, Diabetes and tesosterone, Two are total and utter bullshit.

Heart disease is the only valid one, which is associated with red meats. Diabetes is sugar and fats related. (Youre confusing fresh well cooked meats with shitty mcdonalds fried junk here). And as for testosterone, That is quite literally, the dumbest, most utterly retarded thing i have ever heard in my entire fucking life. You clearly know absolutely nothing about how testosterone works, Which as a woman dosen't really surprise me. ''Studies have shown''.. Who carried out these studies? 'Vegan. org'? 'PETA'?'GrassEatersAlliance'?

Here you go, Here is a direct publication from the US National institute of health saying that meats in a adult male's diet has a profound increase in his testosterone levels :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181

(They actually found diets with less meat reduced testosterone).

Please dont bring stupid lies with no sources..

[0asis]

A lot of those studies are biased as they are funded by the animal farming industry.

You want sources? Here's a bunch of non-biased studies in 1 video: https://youtu.be/lKLFXQ0JO0o

[Riggers]

@0asis ''Mic the vegan''... 'here's an unbiased video'...

Are you... genuinely... mentally retarded? Like.. do you not even comprehend the hypocrisy in what you just did there? You brush off, Actual scientific fact, Genuine, research data, collected by scientists of all different beliefs, using subjects of both vegan and meat eating, And brandish it lies, And instead, You use a channel, Literally called, 'Mic the vegan', As your fucking source of 'unbiased' information? You seriously think mic the mother fucking vegan here isn't going to obviously and blatantly be pro vegan?

Ah, This is where this conversation / debate has died, In this one act alone you have just illustrated a truly magnificent form of stupidity i doubt you yourself will even be able to comprehend.

Your opinions are not facts and sources, Neither are the opinions of Mic the fucking vegans facts and sources.

but whatever, Keep lying to yourself and disregard science to support your bullshit agenda.

[0asis]

And if that's not enough for you, here's more unbiased studies: https://youtu.be/MsFWeC-DeLo

[Riggers]

@0asis Do you not know what unbiased means?''showing no prejudice for or against something; impartial''...

Using a vegan channel as your sources, Who himself uses vegan websites from the early 2000's as his own sources, All of which are not reputable or have been deunked. Does not count as unbiased.

How can you literally be this retarded.. you're using, A vegan channel.. as an unbiased source... Pull your fucking head out of your ass and realise how hypocritcal you're being right now...

[0asis]

All he shows are unbiased studies. Look into them yourself. They are 100% unbiased. Yeah, he's vegan but the studies are not biased.

I'm not retarded. Did you even look into the studies in the video? Or did you just look at the channel name and judge based on that. All the studies are completely unbiased. Look into the studies and see for yourself before you go around throwing insults.

I'm not stupid. Did you look into the studies? They're not biased in any way.

Your sources you are showing are most likely biased. Yes, they did a study on it but if they were funded by the animal industry, they manipulated the studies to work in favour of the standard diet. I've looked into tons and tons of studies on meat diets and all of them are biased af. They're all linked back to people/organizations who are in favour of meat diets

Lying to myself? I ate meat for 22 years. I've looked into hundreds of studies and not of this propaganda meat diet bullshit adds up. Plant-based is the way to go.

[0asis]

And out of the 2 of us, you're the one disregarding science as you're just feeding into the propaganda of the meat industry. The meat industry has billions of dollars on the line, I have nothing to win or lose by making people go vegan. Who would be the one to push a "bullshit agenda?" Really?

[Riggers]

@0asis You're pushing a bullshit agenda, Because, again, as i said, you feel a sense of social superiority over me, you think you're a better, more just, more moraley perfect human being then me because of your choices to eat grass.

You know what Oasis, genuinely, i couldnt give, a single shit, about any of this. Heart failure? bring it on, Diabetes? Not going to happen but sure. Lower testosterone? couldn't give a fuck.

I'm going to be dead within the next few years from a brain illness i have anyway, So i genuinely, could not give a single fuck about any of this. And i'll enjoy meat until i die thank you very much.

[0asis]

No, I am not as it is not a bullshit agenda. A bullshit agenda is a meat diet.
And no, I don't think I'm superior or better than you. That's your interpretation but you are wrong on that. I used to eat meat, I'm not perfect.

I don't eat grass, I eat beans, lentils, vegetables, fruits, grains, and seeds. All the healthy stuff. After taking meat out of my diet, I'm healthier than I've ever been. So is every other vegan out there. I have 0 deficiencies. None.

Okay, well that sucks you're not willing to be compassionate to all beings. Enjoy your dead animals

[Riggers]

@0asis I will enjoy them, They are utterly fucking delicious, Infact, i have even killed them myself on many occasions, I thought they always tasted better when it was me who caught and ate them.

Thank you for your kind words of blessing to guide me through my life of fine cuisine, x

[0asis]

They aren't actually that delicious but ok. Spent 22 years eating them. Not that great..

[Riggers]

@0asis Aye, because every human enjoys the same type of food, So just because you don't find meat nice means every other human on the planet also agrees with that? Understand your stupidity here, Lmao,

[0asis]

Have you ever tried any alternatives? Like veggie burgers or veggie chicken? Now, that stuff is delicious AND nutritious

[Riggers]

@0asis As i have said, Many times throughout this post. I have tried, And do eat animal alternatives. I'd say about 80% of what i eat is veggie based, I only drink water + soy / almond milk.

I have tried the substitutes for the likes of beef and chicken, Honestly i think they just taste like ass. Absolutely nothing like the real thing. So i'd rather eat the real thing. Which i do, and will continue to do. Now that stuff is delicious, AND nutritious...

[0asis]

I don't know what kind of veggie meats you're eating but the ones I eat taste better than dead animal carcass. You actually think meat is nutritious?
https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/animal-products/
www.bustle.com/.../137865-8-reasons-meat-is-bad-for-you-yes-even-chicken
www.pcrm.org/.../meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk
Those nutrients you're eating when you eat meat are from plants. So you're eating recycled plant nutrients when you could be getting it in a better way, better for the environment and better for you and the animals by getting it directly from the source, meaning plants because nutrients and protein come from plants, not animals

[0asis]

And here's one more source for you: www.collective-evolution.com/.../

[Riggers]

@0asis ''You actually think meat is nutritious? ''.. I don't think meat is nutritious, It IS nutritious, don't let your veganism blind you from blatant reality.

I don't even understand why you're still replying to them, I'm never going to be vegan, And will always eat meat, so you're wasting your time.

[0asis]

Dude, I ate meat for 22 years. It's not nutritious at all. If meat is nutritious why do so many people who eat it have deficiencies and diseases like heart disease, cancer, and diabetes? Why does taking meat out of their diet heal them? You're delusional if you seriously think meat is nutritious. I'm not the one being blinded, you are.

[Riggers]

@0asis. 1lb of lettuce contains 77 calories for humans to burn. 1lb of steak is 1,229 calories.

How, The absolute fucking fuck, Can you say meat holds no nutritional value? Humans will DIE without proteins, This is why you ant the rest of the fuckin vegans need to eat things to suppelement the proteins you don't get from meat. This is why all vegans need to consume things to supplement the complete loss of Vitamin B12, And the massive decrease of Zinc, Vit D, Iodine, Iron and calcium.

I have no issue with you disliking eating meat on moral grounds, Thats your call and your life, But stop fucking lying to yourself and ignoring reality by saying it holds no nutritional value, Thats just absolute blatant fucking lies. If meat held no nutritional value, surely entirely carnivorous animals wouldn't exist.. but they do.. so stop that retarded argument.

[0asis]

I didn't say it doesn't hold NO nutritional value, I said meat isn't as nutritious as plants. That's what I'm trying to say. Protein isn't naturally in meat. Like us, the animals have to get it from outside sources, aka PLANTS. PROTEIN comes from PLANTS not animals. When you eat meat, you're eating recycled protein, plus the insane amount of cholesterol which can cause heart disease.

I get my protein straight from the source and plants are full of protein. That's where the cows, pigs, and chickens you eat get their protein from and that's the only reason meat has protein. Also, B12 comes from the soil. That's also why it's in animals because they eat plants that have soil on them. The only reason that B12 isn't in plants is because they're cleaned really well. But I can get my B12 from nut milks as they are fortified with it. 50% of my daily intake of B12 in 1 cup of nut milk. So I get all my nutrients perfectly fine on a vegan diet.

[0asis]

As for the lettuce thing, no vegan just eats 1lb of lettuce. You add beans, seeds, potatoes, other vegetables to that and you can easily get all the nutrients you need.
The nutrients in an avocado: loveonetoday.com/.../
And that's only one plant of the many packed with all the vitamins and nutrients I need.
As for iron, I get a ton of that from these sources: www.myfooddata.com/.../...etables-high-in-iron.php
Iodine you can get a ton from seaweed, which I do eat regularly.
If meat is so healthy and high in iron, why do so many people have iron deficiencies?
Zinc: www.myfooddata.com/.../high-zinc-vegetables.php

[0asis]

Out of the 2 of us, you're the one lying to yourself about meat being healthy for us.
We aren't carnivores so that statement is invalid.

[0asis]

There's also iodine in these vegetables and grains and meat alternatives: www.dietitians.ca/.../Food-Sources-of-Iodine.aspx

[Riggers]

@0asis Haha, I really, really, really, can't give a shit, i didn't even bother to read anything you just wrote. Can't even be bothered to reply anymore. Gone on too long.

[0asis]

Is that because you can't HANDLE the THRUTH? 😂🤣
You wanted me to provide sources at one point so I gave you sources and you don't read them? Okay then.

[Riggers]

@0asis You and the rest of your vegans are just fucking boring, Noone gives a shit about you all, your thoughts, or your feelings, And noone wants to join your self righteous social superiority movement.

''Cant handle the truth'', Oh bore off. Noone gives a fuck about you, me, or animals, Eat whatever the fuck you want to eat.

[0asis]

Oh really? Then why is there now millions of vegans around the world and why is it growing rapidly if no one wants to join?

Maybe you don't care but that doesn't mean others don't. Tons of people care and are going vegan because they see what it does to animals, the environment, and people's own bodies. So you can tell yourself that but you are quite wrong

[Riggers]

@0asis Thats fucking awesome, Good luck with that, Stop ramming your fucking agenda down peoples throats. thanks.

[0asis]

You know who is ramming their agenda down your throat? The meat, dairy, and egg industry. Since the day you were born, they've been ramming their agenda down your throat.

[Riggers]

@0asis Oh bore off.

[howlyz]

Riggers all that meat got to your head, I am sorry

[Riggers]

@howlyz based on my responses to the other vegan do you actually think I care to speak to another one? No one gives a fuck about your vegan opinion other then other vegans, bore off will ya. you're doing nothing other then just wasting people's time...

[howlyz]

no one was shaking your cage to provoke the reaction you made, maybe you should eat less meat

[Riggers]

@howlyz Wow.. The ''Its the meat making you like this'', ''Eat less meat'', Brah, Seriously, fuck off, Haha. I genuinely can't be fucked listening to anything you have to say. y'all are the single most fucking irritating group of people on the planet, All you do is piss and moan and make jokes and slander everyone who you deem below you for not conforming to your perfect morale and social standards.

Again, Just shush mate, Your jokes are about as funny as fucking toothache. And you know for a fact i literally could not give a single shit about anything you have to say, Or you as a person for that matter. Don't even bother replying to this, You're wasting my own and your life, Though, I know for a fact you're probably going to reply something like 'hurr durr you need to eat less meat thats why you're talking like this', Again.. fuckin hilarious mate.. Appreciation the absolutely dead level of banter.

Fuckin vegans man... Keep your shit to yourselves... The world dosen't care about you

[howlyz]

you fuck off... you haven't even read what is in the my take and are just reacting automatically and blindly, this is what it's about... no one told you what to do or what to eat, it's just that you have an automatic response and think you are right... no one asked you a thing but you decided to trash it without even reading... so many people like you have your little ad hominem arguments and that is all you have, some generic bs and not one sentence that is well thought out and authentically yours

[howlyz]

your comments are generic cool boy and again, you keep your shit to your self, no one asked you to comment but you still tell me to keep my shit to my self, were you invited to comment on the question? I think not... you haven't even read it... so don't be a hypocrite when you say "keep your shit to your self" , that's some generic bs that is not even yours

[Riggers]

@howlyz I did read it. All of it, Actually i read it twice. I even just read it again now to refresh my memory of it.

I didn't comment what i did because i didn't read it and just 'blindly lashed out' as you say, I commented what i did because im just genuinely fed the fuck up of vegans telling us to change our shit. Its irritating. My original comment was to try and make it clear to you how annoying as fuck it would be if non vegans acted like vegans in the way they just never shut the hell up about forcing their agenda on others.

[howlyz]

this is definitely a noble and worthy cause so ask your self what is it that you are passionate about, it's not just about veganism but a way of thinking... no where in the my take was some aggressive imposing of veganism or anything specific, that is clear when you read it...
I personally am not even a vegan, I eat meat maybe a couple times a year, let's say three or four times a year... and I love cheese so I am not a vegan... but I never impose my views on anyone or mention my diet, I eat meat sometimes, maybe a burger or something and also when I am out I can eat something because where ever you go there is just meat, especially in some countries... but really, it is a noble cause and I understand not everyone is aware of it, you don't know how much those animals are suffering and it is completely unnecessary actually... if meat industry was relying on customers like me they would go out of business long time ago, that is my motto and I stick to it...

[howlyz]

and finally, it's not just about meat or veganism but about a way of thinking

[Riggers]

@howlyz I agree, Its about a way of thinking, Me, And the likes of you / oasis / mytake author have very very different opinions on this.

Them two, And i assume you to an extent, Believe eating meat is nothing but suffering to animals, And from a morale perspective y'all aren't happy about that so avoid eating meats (In your case not completely just a large part)

Whereas my perspective is knowing (as i have said multiple times in my comments), i buy all my meat locally on my small island, Where i know for a fact every piece of meat i eat lived in free roam fields and was killed humanely. (As i said also all the fish i eat i buy is grown in pens in a nearby reservoir so it dosen't deplete wild stocks). So i'm perfectly happy and content eating meat.

Would i happily eat meat from the images in some countries where there thousands crammed into tiny buildings? Nah, I could still enjoy the meat, But the conditions look barbaric.

But im fortunate, and know my food wasn't abused.

[Riggers]

@howlyz What pisses me off, Is when vegans and such, Literally call me me a murderer, a torturer of animals, And every other shitty name on the planet, Because i eat other living things.

You never walk into a room and someone says ''As a meat eater, my viewpoint is..'', Its always the vegans sporting their opinions out loud, And its fucking annoying.

I don't know where the hell y'all live, Perhaps its just a cultural difference, Maybe in your utopian places of origin living on veggies and sourcing all the vitamins and tablets to suffice the things you lack from meat products is easily done, But some places and cultures in the world, Humans literally really on hunting / game for their survival.

its fucking annoying when the veggie gangs own personal ''way of thinking'' is to literally badmouth fucking everyone who eats and acts like normal human beings.
We have the amazing ability to eat meat, And gain the absolute plethora of calories and mineral within, i see no reason to waste this ability

[0asis]

Vegans lack vitamins? That is so untrue. People eating meat are the ones who end up lacking nutrients. If meat is SO healthy then why do people have iron deficiencies when they're eating a shit ton of meat? Why are so many people getting heart disease? Why is no one's condition improving? If meat is as healthy as you say, then people shouldn't have iron deficiencies or heart disease. I gave you tons of sources where I get all my vitamins from but you decided not to look through them. You can't claim stuff like that as it's not true at all.

Did anyone badmouth you at all? I don't think so. I simply stated facts and we debated.
And don't forget the plethora of cholesterol, which can lead to heart disease. The only reason those nutrients are in meat is because animals eat plants. So it's such a waste of resources when you could just eat plants.
Animal Agriculture's Impact on the Environment: http://www.earthsave.org/environment.htm

[Riggers]

@0asis Ugh...

Lets put it like this, Lets say, In a rural area of many countries in the world, Where people genuinely have little to no access to the plethora of different fruits and veggies YOU have access to, And they literally survive by fishing / eating their livestock, You think these people should just starve to death?

Where do you draw the line? Who is more important in this scenario, The humans or the animals? Are we more important because we are further up the food chain? Are they more important because they are also alive and can feel emotions? Should the humans in this scenario starve to death?

Genuinely interested in your opinion on that, And don't bullshit me saying ''This is impossible and dosent exist'', not everywhere in the world has a bloody supermarket people can just go to and have the luxury of affording or buying vegan meals..

Seriously, Answer this, Should those people starve for the sake of the fish / livestock living?

[0asis]

There's a ton of reasons in the article I provided as to why we need to stop eating animals. We can also kill people, but that doesn't mean that we should do it. Just because we can doesn't mean we should.

Also, there is not humane way to kill a living, sentient being. You cannot kill something compassionately. Doesn't matter if in your mind you think it's a quick death, it's never a quick death. I've seen it countless times, it's a slow death for the animals.

[Riggers]

@0asis I think i probably broke your brain with that question huh? lmao.

[0asis]

Okay, don't talk to me like I'm stupid. No, because they're doing it for survival. People who don't live in isolated areas like Greenland aren't doing it for survival, they're doing it for taste pleasure. If you're stranded on a desert island, by all means do what you need to to survive but if there's other options available, choose the kinder, more ethical one. If it's not a life or death situation, then you don't need to eat meat.

Food Chain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-truOzeWBR8

Humans aren't going to die without meat. I haven't eaten meat in over a year. If meat was so important, I should have been dead a long time ago. The thing is, we don't need meat in order to thrive. Since all of the nutrients in meat come from plants, we can survive perfectly fine on plants.

[Riggers]

@0asis Aight, Now were making progress, Next question to you then, Why should i care about the animals i eat dying?

They have lived in open fields (Idk about where you live, But here i know that for 100% fact). And for what live they have lived its been, what i can only assume for an animal is ideal.

What more does that animal want in life? Its only going to die one day anyway, Just as we are, Who gives a fuck about it dying for us to eat it? In the grand scheme of this world life, ultimately, is meaningless.

The live of a.. I don't know.. pig, is no more valuable then the life of the billions of micro-organisms you crush to death with every step you walk, life is life. Who gives a shit?

if i got told i could live for half my life span, say 50 years, And then had a bolt fired into my brain, killing me, so a bigger more intelligent creature to eat me, Id be cool with that, i'd only be growing old and dying needlessly and wastefully anyway?

[0asis]

You should care because it's destroying the environment.
http://www.earthsave.org/environment.htm
They may have lived good lives and it is ideal but that also probably means they have a stronger desire to live. So killing them is still as cruel and isn't any more humane. It's still a life that is being taken. The animals have the desire to live just as much as we do. It may be meaningless to you but it's not meaningless to the animal that had their life unjustly taken from them.

You cannot compare a pig to microorganisms as microorganisms are not sentient beings. They do not have brains or central nervous systems. A pig has both. They can feel pain. That is not an equal comparison. Also, you cannot control stepping on microorganisms but you can control paying for a pig to be slaughtered for your taste pleasure.

That may be your view but I've seen slaughterhouse footage. The animals that end up there try to escape, to flee. They try to fight for their lives.

[Riggers]

@0asis I guess right here, Right now, is where you and me will never be able to relate or come to an agreement, You hold sentience and life with value, I think it is meaningless and futile, The two completely contradict one another. so this is it, right here, the root of our difference.

To me a pig, or even us as humans for instance, our lives are no more valuable then the micro-bacteria we crush every time we walk.

To you they are. And thats where this entire debate ultimately breaks down due to cultural / ethos / morale difference between you and me on the value of life.

[0asis]

The animals are killed as young, basically children. The oldest animals are killed is 4-5 years old. That's dairy cows after they can no longer produce milk/give birth. Most other animals are killed in their first 1-3 days of life or at 6 months old. They're still so young. They aren't 50 years old when they die, they aren't dying of old age. They don't get to live a full life.

Also, animals don't get notified about their impending death. They are forced into it against their own will. I don't know about you, but if I was forced into an impending death against my will, I would try and escape too. Animals don't think "oh, I'm going to die today, okay. LET'S DO THIS." They only know to try and survive.

[0asis]

Why do you think sentience is meaningless? How do they contradict one another?

[Riggers]

@0asis ''I don't know about you, but if I was forced into an impending death against my will, I would try and escape too'', Well, Again, We differ, I wouldn't really give a shit tbh.

And why do i think sentience is meaningless, Why would i? Lets take you as a human for example, How long do we live, like 80 years on average or something?

For 80 years you get to wake up, work, sleep, eat , poop, and then die, And after you are gone, None of it matters, And within a few years when your friends and family die to, Your name will never be mentioned again, And your life was utterly meaningless, among a pile of billions of other meaningless lives.

Animals are the exact same things, Theyre born, they live, they die, Who gives a fuck if they die early, Same for humans, Who cares? Its life, Things die, Big deal. dosen't matter.

''They only know to try and survive.'', Yes, Out of instincts, Fortunately we are smart enough to know 'survival' is just a futility of delaying the inevitable.

[0asis]

Just because you wouldn't care doesn't mean the animals that you eat don't care. I know for a fact that they care. Every single one tries to escape because that's all they know, that's their instinct. To try and survive.

The thing is, you need to look through the animals eyes. They don't think that way. They have every desire to live, to survive. Just because you think that way doesn't mean it's okay and justified to kill other living beings. It does matter, maybe not to you but to every single animal that has their lives unjustly taken from them. To them, their life isn't meaningless and it's unjust to take any being's life from them if they have a desire to live

Irrelevant. They still have the desire to live and just like we let tons of other animals live their lives, we should let all animals live their lives.

[Riggers]

@0asis Im not an idiot, I understand your point, And i know its true, I just genuinely, Honestly, really couldn't care.

I know they have the instinctual desire to live, I just genuinely don't care about that.

[0asis]

Why don't you care?

[Riggers]

@0asis I told you, I don't hold life with any sort of value, regardless of species. To me, Life for all animals is just a futile waste of time until they inevitably die. There is no point or purpose to it. So if things die, I don't care. We will all join them in death eventually.

[0asis]

There is a purpose to all animals on this planet and their purpose is to maintain the ecosystem. Like fish, help produce oxygen and without fish, we would face oxygen depletion. Each animal plays some sort of role and is important to the ecosystem. But none of them are here for us to eat. Especially not anymore as there are plant milks, plant meats, and you can even make your own alternatives from scratch like veggie burgers. Animals play a crucial part in maintaining the ecosystem and without them, the chances of humans surviving would be very small

[Riggers]

@0asis Eh, Couldn't care about animals, couldn't care about the ecosystem, could care about humans, couldn't care about this shitty planet, The hole fuckin earth could blow up and every single slither of life destroyed and that would be fine by me.

So i'm comfortable with everything and anything being destroyed, Again, i really dont care about an animal being killed so i can have some food.

[howlyz]

Your mind is stagnant in the status quo little one, you still have much road ahead to be able to fathom the bliss of compassion for other beings...

[Riggers]

@howlyz Genuinely could not care less about other beings.

[Aynsof]

I am not a vegetarian let alone vegan and will never be
Humans are omnivores and meat is largely responsible for our protein intake
That being said there are some huge concerns with animal farming
the amount of resources it take to put a steak on your grill is excessive
Usage of antibiotics in large quantities to ensure high yield for slaughter poses problems
The amount of animals producing manure to excessive amounts has let to contamination of watersources
And many more problems beyond that
I don't think people need to give up on meat but it would be good for most people to reduce quantities as most of us meat eaters do tend to eat a lot more meat than we ought to
They are experimenting with vat grown meat which would solve a lot of the issues with the meat industry if it becomes commercially viable so looking forward to that

[Cosytoasty]

Well, i can't disagree with biodegradable products, they are an excellent idea. I already design carbon neutral buildings and am researching carbon negative fillers for concrete... so i think i contribute enough to have my KFC.

I do have one question though, do vegans eat fish or are they not supposed to?

[hasrett]

You design carbon neutral buildings... marry me? 😍
What are carbon negative fillers for concrete?

[Cosytoasty]

@hasrett Haha i "try" to. It's actually cheaper to build than a normal building and it's relatively easy once you get your U values good enough. The big issue is what the architect wants it to look like lol (which usually means energy intensive steel to make these beautiful huge spans). P. S I'll definitely marry you, so we can argue over dinner about building hehe.

Carbon negative fillers is basically using fly ash instead of portland cement in concrete (It's carbon negative because it's already a waste product of coal burning). Making cement is one of the biggest contributors of C02 to the planet overall so we're trying to reduce how much we use.

[hasrett]

Don't worry, I won't argue much. I promise I won't use huge spans and that I'll try to get all my building to be grade A at least, if not A+. :P

by the way, I think vegans don't eat fish or any seafood.

[Cosytoasty]

@hasrett #relationshipgoals marry an architect ☺️

[Izumiblu]

Well... this is nice... kudos to you for being the least judgmental vegetarian on planet earth.

... sustainable farming practices can reduce impact as well. Many of the same ideas can be applied to vegetable farming as well.

I’d also drive people away from nut milk as those are horribly inefficient result in a lot of waste and use a lot of water. Soy milk is a better alternative but soy is a massive contributor to deforestation. Other alternatives are pea milk and coconut milk.

[AlwaysBelieving]

All wonderful ideas! In addition to carrying around reusable carrier bags (I keep them in my car), I try to NOT use the little plastic baggies for vegetables (I think they're green now to signify they're biodegradable). Less is less anyway you cut it. Also, I carry around my own flatware (http://www. humangear. com/gear/gobites) so I don't have to use the plastic ones for takeout. Hopefully this one catches on as well (http://www. bakeys. com).

As for the single serve items, I usually get the largest container depending on what it is and use the reusable containers I have.

As for meat, I tried not going without it for a week, and my body did NOT like it.

Now my mind is on "what's more environmentally friendly? TP or a bidet?"

[Gedaria]

Being a veggie my way of looking at my life , is why should some animal have to die for me to live. I don't eat meal of any kind , I do eat eggs , not farmyard ones they can be fertile. But thoughs from the supermarket will not be. I do drink cows milk a little if out but normally its unsweetened soya milk.
My biggest screaming session is on plastic. Its not the plastic its self its how we use it. Food wrapping specially , why can't we have it as it was when I was young. biscuits came in tin boxes you took out how much you needed and shopkeeper put it hem in a paper bag like everything else. I could go on all day why things don't change for the better , but manufactures need to change and peoples habits towards life need to...

[Kurαȷ]

Or simply buy your meat, dairy and veggies from legitimate farmer markets.
Support small businessmen and good agricultural practices.
Instead of multi-billion corporations who are making money on hippies by selling them "nut milk" that is really just some water, xanthan gum and carrageenan.

[ReachingNirvana]

This is a good option too!