Who here is a vegan or vegetarian?

[Infobroker1535]

Me! Me! Me!

No, I need meat!

[NicknameShirt]

Nobody needs meat in the western world. Actually, it's what is mainly responsible for world hunger and destruction of the rain forests. There is nothing ethical or okay with eating meat unless you killed the animal yourself with respect out of necessity.
A vegan diet is easy, you can build all the muscle you want and likely be more healthy. Just learn some basic nutrition.

There is nothing manly with lacking empathy and paying for someone to kill for you. I bet almost none of you meat eaters would even stand to watch animals being killed. It shouldn't be a goal for you to be less sensitive to others feelings.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, here's why
- Farm to your fridge - The TRUTH about YOUR MEAT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THIODWTqx5E

- 101 Reasons You Need Go Vegan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4HJcq8qHAY

- Meat Destroys the Environment - Cowspiracy in 15 Minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSjE8xw_-Dg

- Uprooting the Leading Causes of Death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ

[Opinion Owner]

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[BrittBratt2416]

Sorry but I'm a meat eater, i can not live a life knowing I can't eat honey chipotle chicken crisper from chilis ever again if I adopt a full vegan or vegetarian diet. Now I do love vegetables, I love eating salad and I even like some vegan foods and recipes. There are times when i get a vegetable burrito with rice and black beans. I also love black bean burgers, those are so freaking good.. I think i could actually replace it over beef.. maybe. But yeah, saying no to chicken, beef, bacon, turkey, sausage, hot dogs, o man I just can't lol Call me a loser if you must, I don't mind haha

[BrittBratt2416]

I just strongly believe in balance, you can eat meat.. just don't eat it every single day. If you had a cheeseburger on Monday then try not to eat another cheeseburger within that same week. If you realize you been eating nothing but meat for the past couple days then switch it up and eat a salad or something that substitutes meat like black beans or tofu. Its hard, i know its hard for me as well but I try to do it.

[NicknameShirt]

Personally I would give up any food I love in order to save some animal. But I admire your openness :)
The meat industry does so much harm to the world it's unbelievable, but if every meat eater at least cut their meat intake in half it would do wonders.
I used to be vegetarian (meaning I ate diary products and eggs), bur recently started to give it up. After 2-3 weeks without milk I didn't even like it anymore. Ice-cream still looks and smells good, so does cheese on pizza. But really, there is another world of food out there, full of energy, life and all kinds of nutrition :)

[BrittBratt2416]

@NicknameShirt cool =)

[Anonymous]

Well honestly, my ex was a vegan BUT... I would ask him to lick my cooch because I loved it and saw it in porn videos. He would be so hesitant and insist on a shower. He even told me to shave because he doesn't like hair.
My new boyfriend however eats everything and he even, begs me to lick it. I came back from the gym once, and he licked me right away without ever asking for a shower because he tells me i taste the best... he doesn't care about me shaving and told me that as long as i spread my lips and he can get to the clit that is all that matters

[Emmdk]

Oh my God isn't it the second time you posted that exact comment hahah

[DinaM]

@Emmdk Some comments bear repeating. ^_^

[Emmdk]

@DinaM haha fair enough

[RJGraveyTrain]

I was close to being completely vegetarian but I was having issues keeping up my weight, b12 and a few other things. For now I'm eating meat (I don't eat it for every meal though) but in the future I may take the plunge again, properly next time if I go that route.

[joe1983]

just so you know vegan diet isn't healthy. in order to be healthy eating nothing but veggies you will need to be on a extensive regiment of vitamins and fatty acids. we were not built to eat that way long term. If will have a negative effect on bone structure and mussel mass. not to mention what it does to your GI tract.

[djvtech]

Whoever you learned that from has been lying to you. Vegans live longer and have less disease, the only vitamen they need to suppliment is b12 (which animals take suppliments for anyways), and it does not affect muscle mass, and is much healthier for the GI tract because more fibre.

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- Uprooting the Leading Causes of Death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ

[joe1983]

I eat mostly meat. with a few veggies on the side. I haven't even had a cold in 2 years

[joe1983]

to many veggies will block your GI tract. have you ever seen rabbit poop. because that is what will happen to you. If you knew what poison was on those veggies you would only eat them in moderation.

[NicknameShirt]

I haven't had a cold in 1.5 (three days of light fever, still went to school) years either, and I'm vegan. My health has been tested and is amazing, I feel better than ever, and most notably - I have very high testosterone levels.
If you fear the poisons on the plants, just know that you eat those poisons too, because your meat ate them. You probably consume more of it even.
Rabbits eat almost entirely grass? I eat beans, nuts, fruits and vegetables. "You will get rabbit-poop eventually" - where the heck did your real arguments go?
I would expect that after a year my poop would have already changed, and it has, I'm no longer constipated. If you want to know the details, my poop tends to be smooth but firm. What the hell made you compare veganism to a rabbit-diet?

[joe1983]

I sure at 21 you have all the answers. but I have been working in the whole foods industry for 15 years. I see with my own eyes thing you will never see or hear about.

[joe1983]

not to mention at 21 you should be healthy even if you are eating pencil shavings. and also at 21 your testosterone should be high. it's not your diet it is your age. give it 15 years and just straight veggies isn't good. humans are omnivores. we need both.

[NicknameShirt]

I'm going to take a chance and assume you actually haven't got a clue about whole foods. From your comparison to the rabbit-diet, come on. And do not use my age against me. At this point I have a lot more knowledge on many things than half the "adults" I meet, and I will keep searching. I'm open to a counter -argument, but never came across a good one.
The statement on my higher than average (for my age) testosterone levels was to illustrate that the diet doesn't harm it, and in your own words, the levels are as they should be at my age (and more actually).
A well balanced diet is the key, sure. That CAN include some meat, but does not have to. I'm well aware of the vital vitamins, amino acids, fibers and foods that make a complete protein together. My mother has a long history of nutritional schooling.
And considering the ethical aspect of eating meat, any argument that doesn't explicitly show how humans NEED it, goes down the drain for me. Sorry.

[joe1983]

You will learn give it time. at your age I knew everything too

[joe1983]

You can read all the books you want. but it is not even in the same ballpark as actual experience.

[joe1983]

I'm only about 13 years older than you and I can't even list all the thing that I was told was good for me then a few years later suddenly is bad for me. then a few more years go by and it's good again.

[NicknameShirt]

Thank you, I will know more, yes. Finally a mature response, I respect that.
You know, these things I'm saying aren't "my opinions", they are based on well established facts and research. And from experience so far it validates those facts and studies. I'm glad I'm not contributing to mass destruction of wildlife, forest and to slaughter. You do you.

[joe1983]

If you do a bit more research you will find that for a human to live on nothing but veggies and be healthy has a lot to do with blood type. A blood type can be healthy on veggies but a O blood type would be frail and weak

[joe1983]

we humans barely understand the nature of consciousness. plants are made up of tons of neurons and the very chemicals that make your brain work. so to say plants are not aware of what is happening to them or that they can't feel it when you rip them out of the ground is a statement made in ignorance.

[joe1983]

If you want to quote morality. a life is a life. In a meat sac or not.

[NicknameShirt]

I have thought of these things for years. We are probably all consciousness, yes, and a plant is as much an expression of that as I am. Objectively I'm not more worth than a plant, or an insect or anything. I do not believe in a hierarchy of worth. But even eating just plants, you kill far less of them then when eating meat, so it's a win-win for every single living thing on this planet, and the planet itself. Now, if you believe that humans are harming this planet by chopping down enormous areas of forests, enormous usage of water and power, a LOT of that goes to the meat-industry, and meat-hungry westerners are paying for that.
Einstein was vegetarian and said the future of humanity and this planet depended on it, Nicola Tesla ate a plant based diet, Ramanujan, Gandhi, the Buddha, seems I'm in good company with some of the smartest people who ever lived.
There just isn't a good argument to eat meat (unless you actually need it to live) no matter what. There just isn't.

[djvtech]

@NicknameShirt "If you want to quote morality. a life is a life. In a meat sac or not. "
So you think cutting a persons head off is morally the same as slicing a potato in half?

[Lelaila]

Gluten and soyfree vegan here. Due to lots of food intolerances I don't have another choice but to have this diet. I would never go back to my old habits though.

[nichtweiss]

"almost" vegetarian here. Only a small portion of meat once or twice a week due to a prescribed diet from my doctor. Otherwise I wouldn't have any. I do like meat though.

[dragonfly6516]

You are what you eat, therefore, beef is a vegetable!

But bacon is meat, because pigs eat meat and plants.

I need bacon to live.

[splashofyellow]

I wouldn't really call myself either but I usually avoid meat, especially red meat, simply because I don't like the taste.

[ImClaireeee]

I eat meat but I try not to. I like the whole idea of a healthy vegan lifestyle.

[nala_rawr]

i love meat...
i was a vegetarian for 2 years, so nothing against it. just not for me.

[The_Gentelman]

meat rules the world✌

[NicknameShirt]

@The_Gentelman Yes it does, and it's why the rain-forests are cut down, more than half the population end up with cancer and heart deceases and billions of animals suffer a terrible destiny every year. Something to be proud of, yeah?
Eat meat if you must, but for gods sake, at least cut down on the consumption.

[The_Gentelman]

☺ never said how often I eat meat in a week

[The_Gentelman]

plus we have way to many humans on earth and meat takes more space/energie and such stuff to feed a person than grain (if I remember corect the same amount of land can feed 7 persons with grain or 1 person with meat) so if all humans would only eat meat (just theoretical and I wound recomment to do so either) the overpopulation would be solved in a shirt time...

[NicknameShirt]

@The_Gentelman Ok man. Ultimately people do what they do. I just hope you are aware.

[The_Gentelman]

aware of what?

[Ironlak282]

I have been in the past but have lapsed. I love the taste but have tried
for ethical reasons. I'll probably try again one day i'm really waiting for
cultured meat tbh.

[Anonymous]

I have been veggie since I was a small child. Whole family is veggie.

[Opinion Owner]

It is strange! Whenever I go to a party or buffet, the veggie stuff always goes first. Even meat eaters go for it!

[NicknameShirt]

Mine too, but my brother has mistakenly fallen for the lie that you need meat to have muscles and be "sexy". I grew up with the automatic assumption that meat was bad, and I see now that I was right. I can never learn to conciser it anything other than dead animals.

[Mexicoman101]

I should be, because im fat, but i'm not because I find it easier.

[The_Gentelman]

meat is the best food for me personal. Of course I can eat something without meat but norhing is better than a 300g steak medium rosted🍗🍖🍗🍖🍗🍔

[Anonymous]

I'm half vegan i enjoy vegan meals but i still eat chicken and fish as (meat).

[nog6422]

Not me. Meat tastes good and I have a slightly nihilistic moral compass.

[joedoejam]

and hurt all those poor plants? how could you be so cruel!

[djvtech]

https://i.imgur.com/05I2U8m.png

[NicknameShirt]

You hurt far more plants.. Per pound of meat, what do you think makes that? You consume far more soy and shit from the very meat you seem to think is produced in a factory.
Every chunk of meat was once part of someone who walked around and had thoughts, a family, emotions. The least they deserve is respect.

[joedoejam]

I eat baby cows

[joedoejam]

and I hunt. I like killing things.

[djvtech]

So you like to kill them quickly or slowly?

[Anonymous]

Been vegan for several years! Love it! It LITERALLY saved my life!

[Oram52]

I'm curious how did veganism save your life?

[Opinion Owner]

@Oram52 I was diabetic and had hypertension. This led to kidney disease. I was on dialysis and got a transplant. I got a vegan health coach who taught me how to cook and prepare vegan dishes. I lost over 100 lbs. My nephrologist and surgeon have been blown away!

[Anonymous]

Used to be a raw vegan even, but I fell into a depression and couldn't keep it up anymore. I just didn't care anymore.

[SupMates]

I'm both a meat eater and a vegetarian. Depends on the day

[Anonymous]

I want to become a vegetarian so badly. I keep saying I'll start I just need the motivation

[djvtech]

Motivation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvtVkNofcq8&t=204s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4HJcq8qHAY

[NicknameShirt]

@djvtech Great! I'm in the process of cutting out all dairy products. It's true, it's a mindset, not a diet. You need to be AWARE. I suggest that the choices happen when in the store. Instead of missing all the things you can't have, focus on what you can.
Go to the fruit and vegetable section in a store and just behold the vibrant force of all the colours. You can literally see and smell how those foods ARE life. I just stroll around there and buy and combine random things. Then I go to my trusty oats, beans and lentils, and some nuts. Simple as that.

[razor97]

i try to eat both meat and vegetables, even through meat is a lot more gross, it tastes better to me

[Zorax]

I'm a vegetarian, but not vegan.