"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."
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It is cheaper. You’re looking down the wrong isle. But fair play to you 🙏
Hell no. Humans are omnivores, we can consume meat, vegetables, and fruit and some nuts if not allergic. There's a reason why all the nutrients/vitamins are split up among the all types of foods and it's to help us have balanced diet. The problem is a lot of people don't know what to do or how to eat properly.
There's always peoplr going from one extreme to another, you have people who go over board with meat and then you have the vegans who are extreme that they can't see themselves wasting away. Even saw lady who tried to make her dang cat a vegan. I'm seeing fake vegan eggs and cheeses and I just have to ask, why are you making foods to mimc foods that you don't want to eat or claim that's unhealthy? It's quite clear their bodies and brains are screaming for protein but they keep denying their natural urges. I just find it strange.
I think it's great if you want to detox your body and get it in balanced state again, but I don't recommend it as a life long diet. I've seen the before and after videos of people on the vegan diet and a lot th look ghastly. A lot of them look like pale, sickly ghosts being drained from the inside out. Some of them look like Crack addicts or holocaust victims. It's sad and breaks my heart to see babies and children be forced on that diet.
Rest assured I’ll never let myself feel like a crack addict or a holocaust victim. And I’ll never force veganism onto me children or pets. I’m raising a question and I value your answer. Thank you 🙏
Been vegan for many years and I wish I was as skinny as a crack addict. We def aren't all that skinny 😩 Also my kids are vegan and very healthy. When I go out people always freak out over how big and chubby my babies are
I think there's a darker reason for why veganism was pushed out to the masses and became so popular. Look how they are trying to get us comfortable with eating soy products and wanting farmers to give up their crops or destroy them. Basically it's a way to get people to volunteer in slowly starving themselves. You know what happens to a man who eats to much dang soy? Complete testosterone killer. There was this channel that went by the name SV3RIGE on YouTube and he was waking a lot people up. Ironically, YouTube killed his channel and took all his videos down cause it was to evident that veganism slowly kills people.
Soy doesn't change hormones that's a myth. I personally am soy free for the most part since it's in lots of trash food so I stay away from it. And nobody ever pushed being vegan/vegetarian on me. I just never wanted to eat meat as a kid so my parents didn't force me so I've never eaten it
While I respect people's choice in what they eat and put into their bodies, I personally wouldn't be able to sustain myself on a plant based diet considering many health issues I currently have.
It's commendable of people who are able to do it though, I have no objections about people living the way they choose, this includes what they eat or don't eat.
I think I'm effectively most of the way there. I used a lot of plant based meal replacement shakes.
My main issue is I have an allergy to essentially all raw fruits and veggies, and it has made my esophagus dangerously small. The shake is mostly hypoallergenic so that helps. (OWYN meal replacement shakes and protein shake).
I dont think I would ever go 100% with no exceptions. But my current diet is enough of the way there to help the slightest bit in disincentivizing animal cruelty.
But hopefully lab-grown meat takes off. That would be the best of all worlds. I've always said the most important thing in getting change to stick is to appeal outside your movement.
That is, Make EVs for gearheads, truckies, and daily drivers, rather than hippies. Make solar and wind the cheaper and more portable option for power, not just some niche thing for off-gridders and doomsday-preppers.
So making 90% of people 60% vegan would make a WAY bigger difference than making 10% of people 100% vegan. And it'll stuck much better, too.
The left is often more focused on 1% of people having 100% ideological purity. You don't need a few devotees to create influence. You need a whole bunch of commoners to be slightly more than apathetic.
I eat like a Vegan however I don't believe labels are beneficial for me. A label such as vegan is a pre-decision and it is wonderful at the start but after a while I don't need any labels. Labels become a box after some time. I think for myself and use what I'm okay with using. Plus the connotations that come with the word vegan is a lot.
I do think most people should consider being vegan dietarily for a few years though. Most uneducated people believe you give up everything but the truth is you gain so much more than you ever give up (most people). And I'm talking about food.
I used to do a Vegan February thing with my ex and it was one of the hardest "monthly challenges" ever. Vegan food is not only expensive AF, but NASTY AF, as well. I remember spending like $15 on a vegan wrap at 7-Eleven or Wawa once cause I was hungry and malnourished (and I almost NEVER get hungry due to a super-slow metabolism!) and I actually paid that insane amount of money for that gross nasty vegan sh*t.
I know firsthand why most vegans end up being upper middle class hippies. Normal working class people can't survive on that sh*t. Plus I was hungry all the time! I was eating supposedly "good vegan food" (none of it was "good") and still hungry, all the time. Even vegan mac and cheese tasted awful! I only did it like two February's in a row; 2017 and 2018.
As someone who has tried it before, I have had no desire to go vegan for a month again. So my final answer is "no."
This sh*t was like 10-15 dollars where I lived!It doesn't even look tasty.None of this sh*t was "good," despite what vegans claim.
Nope. I feel better with a bit of protein and animal fat. It's healthy for me. I like wide variety and tasty flavor. Plus, I resist fads.
Modern humans were able to colonize every part of the world because they were omnivores.
Every creature either eats prey or gets eaten by predators. That's nature. Humans are part of the natural world. Predators aren't immoral. They keep ecosystems in balance. Humans are immoral because they take more than they need and treat other creatures like mere commodities.
I have no problem with harvesting wild game for personal consumption. I don't even have a problem with harvesting animals that are raised humanely on small farms. Factory farms are horribly inhumane. I try to avoid them. But giant mono-crop farms are terrible for the environment, and the food they produce is unhealthful.
Small-scale, integrated farming practices like Permaculture are the only humane and sustainable forms of food production. Using animals to clear and plow fields and to remove weeds and insects builds healthy soil. Artificial fertilizers and chemicals are not used. It benefits the entire ecosystem.
If managed properly, cattle are healthy for the environment. They can be as beneficial as the giant herds of bison, deer, elk and antelope that no longer exist.
I don't eat a lot of meat. Maybe 3-6oz per day on average. I try to get it from local farms who practice healthy agriculture. And I LOVE seafood. I do eat at restaurants and sometimes eat packaged foods that I have no control over the meat's source. I'm not too uptight about it. I just try to be conscious and do the best I can.
Anyway, animal cruelty is not going to make me stop eating tasty, nutritious food. And environmentalism is a stupid reason to stop eating meat.
I think practically speaking its not realistic for most people living in colder climates or on lower incomes. At the very least eggs and dairy need to be included in those situations to avoid being malnourished.
There is also the issue that crop farms often take up far more land and resources than animal farms, and because of this, it cuts down wild habitats, killing off the wildlife to make room for more crops. It also results in lots of pesticides and herbicides getting sprayed and ending up in natural wate ways, poisoning wildlife and killing many species.
So when given the choice to sacrifice livestock vs wild animals, I'm choosing the livestock.
No- given its ecological inefficiency, the damage it would do to the biosphere that we've already reshaped for our use (think of the animals we've domesticated; how many of them do you think could survive in the wild?), and the energy costs of artificial replacements for EVERYTHING we use animal products for, it'd actually be WORSE for the environment. I'm not in the least opposed to trying to minimize human impact on the world around us, but you need to actually think things through, and not simply knee-jerk reject anything viewed as "cruelty"; you can't build paradise by changing the laws of the universe.
Is it better to exclusively kill plant life in order to accomplish the same goals as those of an omnivore?
There is more and more reputable research being done that indicates that plants are capable of feeling.
I've seen some people propose that all human food should be created strictly synthetically, completely devoid of animal or plant life. Maybe those synthetic components are capable of feeling in some way yet unknown to us.
How far are we able to stretch the concept of sentience or feeling?
Maybe we should just allow ourselves to starve to death.
I think that steak, lobster, potatoes and asparagus is on my menu tonight.
Nope. Vegans have a fundamental flaw in understanding how everything eats everything. You think Bactira is only vegan? You want to know what humans are made of? so you wanna know what you literally cannot do as living biomass?
Also you know how evolution works right? No I am sure you don't. Otherwise you would understand why Carnivores and Herbivories co-exist and you would know what happens to the Herbivories in that system. So sure become one ;) and even then Herbivores eat animals if you don't believe me look up a cow eating a rabbit.
I might go carnivorous but never vegan. The human body needs vitamins, minerals and proteins from multiple sources. And there are people - myself included - whose body cannot assimilate enough protein from a plant based diet.
Milk is the only whole food available that contains all the vitamins, minerals, carbohydrates, fats, proteins etc a body needs. Cows turn plants we can't digest as a food source into a food source, either as milk or meat.
Honey - forbidden by vegans - is the only foodstuff that never spoils. Jars of honey were found in the Valley of the Kings in Egypt in perfect condition after over 4000 years.
Besides, throwing a steak on the grill is infinitely more satisfying than a bean burger
I want to go vegan eventually but i think there's a lot nutrition wise that I still have to learn before hand. I'm ok with not eating most meats anyways.
definitely, it's probably not that hard to get from vegan food for the most part but I don't want to always be hungry either. At least most things can be home grown.
People think when people go vegan it's about animal cruelty but some people do it to be healthy and those people have to call it plant basted diet instead because it offends vegans if you are not doing it for the animals.
Also people think going vegan is hard, there's so many verities of vegan stuff that taste close to meat and are very tasty, you don't have to go for all that burgers or sausages that have vegetables smushed in it.
Basically if you are thinking of going vegan for whatever reason, before going full on, try some taster tests like go to a super market and buy a packet of vegan burgers, if you tried and don't like it then cross it off and next time try another brand.
I think I could if I learned how to properly replace the vitamins and nutrients that I am losing in other foods, I suffer with iron issues so its very important for me to eat certain foods. When I stopped eating meat during pregnancy it made me sick. LOL
For everyone who goes vegan, I fully commit to eating a portion of meat in their honor every day. I will put on my leather belt, leather shoes, and sit in my leather seats. I will throw even more BBQs and grill more meat in their name. I promise to do everything I can to rebalance the consumption of meat - the more they save, the more I will use.
Nobody can be truly vegan. Eat what you want but don’t act like your choices make you superior to others in any way. I completely excluded animal products from the foods i ate for nearly a year once. There were definitely benefits, but there were problems too. I don’t think i’d ever attempt that again knowing what i do now. I still eat less meat and dairy than i did before trying a vegan diet.
As soon as we find a perfect alternative to get protein and the other stuff.. I'm in... I already stopped eating red meat for a long time now... I only eat chicken and I feel guilty for it... That little harmless living creature is brought up only to be slaughtered and become just a meal in the day of the life of another creature... Nature is cruel man...
As I was younger, I thought not, but now, I’m vegan, transitioning to fruitarian. Eating all those darn fake meats and fake cheeses ain’t that necessary. Veganism ain’t all about imitating meats. In fact, fake meats ain’t that healthy. Ironically, vegetables also ain’t necessary for veganism; fruits are feasible.
No, I can't leave milk and milk products. Also you kill the plant to eat it, it doesn't makes any sense to me. You're killing a living being either way. It's just that one can shout and other doesn't have a mouth.
There's plenty of cows in the world plus nowdays people prefer milk powder for their babies so it would be such a waste of milk if adults all over the world consider drinking milk a children's thing
Good question, and no idea! Not only cows we have other animals we get drinkable milk from to not waste too And finally I gave up Nestle because I'm pissed at their company's shady ways
I ain't drinking my mother's milk, I drink cow milk and it's my choice if I like that or not. If you think I'm odd for that then well I respect your opinion so respect mine too.
Nope, humans are omnivores which means we are supposed to eat meat as well as plants. In fact the added choloric density found in meat is the reason humans have an advanced neo cortex. Eating meat was literally the difference between us living in a tree out wholeives like a gorilla and landing on the moon like the bad ass apex lifeforms that we are.
I have in the past for dietary reasons. I never felt healthier. I must admit that I love meat (especially fish). I also like to cook and vegan cooking gets boring after a couple years. Give me fish and you can keep the pigs.
Nope. Veganism is the pig headed notion that animals give a shit about all the "sacrifices" you are making for them. When in fact you are actually stealing their food and making them look bad.
I already identify as vegan (by which I mostly mean that I'm really attracted to girls with the vegan hipster aesthetic). It just so happens that I also eat a lot of meat and dairy.
No I wouldn't, its horrible for the environment. I don't condone animal cruelty but at all but I also don't condone destroying the environment for the save of veganism.
A meatless diet requires plant-based replacements that can negatively impact the environment when mass-produced. This issue was brought into the public eye when scientists began to evaluate the harms of almond cultivation. The findings sparked a debate about whether almond milk or cow milk is better for the environment.
It takes 1.1 gallons of water to grow a single almond. Because almond milk became a top substitute for cows’ milk, almond production expanded. This growth caused severe impacts on water waste. Scientists conclude that, in the case of almond milk, animal milk is more environmentally-friendly.
Avocados are another vegan fan favorite that framers overproduce. The fruit tree needs nearly 46 gallons of water daily to survive in the warmer months. Freshwater depletion is not the only downfall of this delicious fruit – transportation is another environmentally-degrading factor.
This fruit requires a specific climate for proper production. The right temperature, humidity, and soil nutrients only occur in certain regions, like California and Mexico. Due to their high demand, avocados are transported all over the world. Transporting the fruit creates tons of carbon dioxide emissions that contribute to rising global temperatures.
Mushrooms are common meat substitutes in vegan recipes. They are high carbon dioxide emitters and need particular temperature-controlled environments to grow. The standard meat-replacing mushrooms emit 2.13 kg to 2.95 kg of carbon dioxide, which adds to our atmosphere’s warming. They also need to mature in contained environments of 62°C, which takes enormous amounts of energy to maintain.
@MCheetah Honey I hunt, butcher and wrap my own food... If that shocks you maybe you should take some time to get to know someone before making rash and unfounded judgments like you normally do.
@Subarugirl My judgments are right 99% of the time, including me not believing anything you just said right now. Not that any of that matters, if what you're saying is 100% factual.
You're super-far left and anti gun-rights, but you hunt your own meat and butcher it yourself? Okay...
@MCheetah lol apparently not since everything you just assumed is wrong... I own a few guns, a hunting bow, and I've been hunting since I was 13 after went through hunter safety. So yes, I hunt, butcher and process everything my husband and I hunt.
@MCheetah It's not my fault you have an issue with facts. Presenting facts are not an indication of my political standing. If you actually care to know what that political standing is instead of just assuming feel free to ask.
I am vegan. The definition of veganism is to reduce your harm to animals as much as *possible*. If I literally need to eat meat for nutrition, but Im not just abusing animals in the process, then Im vegan.
You may call me what the hell you like, for I have absolutely no intentions whatsoever of giving up my meat, fish, dairy products and anything else come to that... Period.
In theory, yes. In this lifetime, unlikely. I admire the philosophy, though. When it's easier and unproblematic to employ, I'd love to be vegan. But as of now, there are health complications with veganisn whether people want to admit it or not.
Nutrient deficiencies. Iron being one of the most prominent. Considering that "non-heme" iron, found in plants, is much more difficult for the body to absorb than "heme" iron, found in meat, not only will you absorb less iron for every bit of iron you intake, but vegetables tend to have less iron than meat does in the first place.
For example, chicken has 1.8 milligrams of iron for every 140 grams of chicken. Broccoli has 1.1 milligrams of iron for every 148 grams of broccoli. So it has roughly half the iron that chicken does. So you need to go out of your way to ingest comparatively larger amounts of iron-rich foods. And in many cases supplements are in order.
And this is only one example, you can look up numerous other problems, as well. That's not to say that's it's not doable, plenty of vegans can do it sufficiently. But plenty also try and unfortunately fail.
Considering you appear to be taking an oppositional stance (I don't mean that combatively), that being that health complications aren't a byproduct, when Kayla posted that she couldn't abide by veganism due to health conditions, why didn't you say "well, veganism doesn't result in health complications, so if you can eat meat with your health conditions, you can be vegan with your health conditions, too"?
Hell, no. And anyone who tries to tell you to go vegan because eating animals is wrong, tell them to kiss your ass! There is a YouTuber called That Vegan Teacher and she’s telling us to go vegan. She’s the worst Karen I’ve ever heard of.
Digestion. I have gotten older. Sometimes I can help digestion by fasting. But I eat too much meat. And when I did vegan last year for a few months, it was the healthiest I felt in years. Gotta go back.
I'm not bothered about chickens dying in a factory floor over somthing I know I don't like the taste of cauliflower ain't that nice if u enjoy it good for u but I dont so I won't be eating it
I don't really feel like I can considering I've eaten meat and used animal products my whole life, but kudos to the people who can pull it off and can stick with it
Usually hens are electrocuted after passing out from being hung upside down, cows are killed with bolt guns etc. So please, don't mention gas chambers. It is not hard to google this you know.
No need. We aren't enemies here, you all do have valid points. Factory farming is abhorrent and cruel. But your arguments and credibility is hampered with lies about gas chambers or how harmless vegan friendly farming is for the environment. If you are fully honest with people, and educate yourself, people will be more receptive.
It feels like it's looking at things like a child might. You see chickens and cows and you decide you don't want to support the eating of them. So then you go purely vegan, in the name of protecting them. And yet the fields your food is grown in kill hundreds of millions of small animals every year. I spoke to a lettuce farmer, if memory serves, in California and he said that his fields would kill about 40,000 rodents per year.
I don't see why there has to be a reason to be vegan. Like we can live without meat, milk, eggs so why do it? Cost a lot more money to eat that stuff. Everyone won't stop complaining about the price of milk and eggs due to inflation. I'm over here like beans and veggies have not went up a single penny 😂
I can’t do it. I crave a bit of meat even though I’m not a huge meat eater.
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No, wild meat is already doing a bit and if they taps out there's always cannibalism, wiuld help the environment clear overpopulation one bite at a time
in my case, being over 6ft, 200 pounds and fairly active, therefore of an athletic build... a balanced diet consists of a good amount of animal protein and mostly lean, or white flesh, plenty of vegetables, and some fruits as well as some carbs, I also consume red meat but that is on the less as well with sugars... also, a whole lot of water and also... some nuts, grains and legumes
and then, I just try not to have any excess on a particular "group of food" and I also avoid junk food and way-too-processed food as much as possible, home made is best
okay, since I already know where might be going with this, here it is...
yes, plants do have some proteins, however these are "lesser proteins, if you will, they are not fully complex proteins because plants are not fully complex organisms so they don't really need them because "they're just plants" that live on water, soil and sunlight
and then yes, the cattle does feed on plants, and grains, and a few other things, the difference is that animals are much more complex organisms so they do require a lot more proteins and nutrients so their bodies and flesh can create MUCH MORE complex proteins and full of different varied amino acids because animals need them and so do we...
so yes, plants have basic proteins... but animals are the ones that produce and create the more complete and full of amino acid proteins that humans can thrive on, and not just humans but other greater and more complex organisms
yes you could, but only to a lesser and not an optimal level either
supplements are not substitutes, so you're not really doing something efficient, you're just helping a deficiency, natural processes are always best, because that's how nature intended it to be, also
going fully vegan has nothing of relatively easy, it is not easy at all... it is VERY expensive, very involved, very restricting, time consuming and not easily available to everyone either, there is nothing convenient about it, lol
now... the subject of mass produce of animal flesh is a very different subject, and not the one we are discussing here, lol
well, here is the thing... if you are 31 years old, and you have been a vegan for two, that means that you did benefit from a fully balanced complete diet for 28 years, you became a fully adult grown up in advance so yeas, of course, turning into vegan by a trend or whatever your reason was is not going to have an impact that is a noticeable negative one
and maybe with your lifestyle you don't need more than that... there are millions of people in this world that are vegan by actual lifestyle, in fact one my best and close friends, she is a vegan from the very womb, because her mother was vegan as well, so I know very well the pros and the cons, and the challenges of a genuine vegan life style that is not just a trend
now, if your agenda is about animal abuse... that is again, a very different subject
we're talking diet here... not animal rights
and then yes, it also matters what kind of life we have, maybe you're well off, maybe you have the privilege of affordability and accessibility, but not everyone else does, in my case... I am in Texas, which is not exactly the most vegan state, if you know what I mean lmfao
I’m not particularly well off. I’m very much working class in the UK. Although I concede I am privileged compared to many millions of people in this world.
And I didn’t make the transition just on the back of a trend. It’s something I had been wanting to do for a long time, but it was difficult because of my upbringing.
thought so... being in the UK is actually a privilege, compared to the rest of the world, lmfao
and yes to pretend to save the world just because you eat plans now, it is very much a trend a lot people like to hop onto
and also yes, bull riding is still a tradition not just in Texas but across the USA and other countries as well, like Brazil... for some reason, there's some great riders down there or coming from there
Difference being the bull doesn’t know what’s going on. If you walk on to a football field and get knocked you’ve got to take some responsibility for that. The bull doesn’t want to be there. Tradition isn’t always good.
same goes for the consumption of meat, not all cattle is tortured and abused... and they do live in much better conditions than if they were abandoned in the wild... it isn't always as bad as you make it seem
Thank you! Outside of spuds, corn, baked beans and VERY well roasted carrots, all of which I rarely ever eat, and the string and green beans I ate for a couple years as a kid, I NEVER eat greens and the like!! Nor will I!
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