I love how some guys are like "I don't tell you to go in the kitchen and make a sandwich/I don't rape/you have birth control even though you 'should' have kids, thus I am 'special'/you should be grateful to all the menz for your rights." Nope, my rights are my rights, not some "privilege" that men granted me. Also, not withholding rights and not violating people doesn't make you special, it means you're simply being a decent human being, which -should- be expected from everyone.
I choose not to have children. I have crappy genes that would be cruel to pass onto a child. It's not my responsibility simply because I have a crappy biological system. I want to get my tubes tied and donate money/volunteer to help the millions of children popped out by women who are at a disadvantage due to poverty or messed-up governments. You're not obligated to procreat either, just to be productive and do good in this world, given you are mentally/physically capable.
What you achieve on your own (aided by the ressources of the country you live in). Is acceptable, but child bearing and mate choosing is still part of you biologicals obligations. You're going to get those cramps each month to remind you that you're a woman. Nothing wrong with that. I'm a man and I'm expected by society to find ways to make a living and raise a family. The means to achieving that differ obviously, but the goal remain's SURVIVAL.
I never suggested breaking the law. The rules are often broken when sexism occurs, such as the military sexual harassment scandal right now. We need better enforcement if said laws, because their is an underlying societal belief in America that women are minorities less worthy of respect. Those women don't deserve to be harassed and raped by -their own fellow soldiers/authorities- simply because they wish to do good and serve their country.
So, if men "let" a woman get a college education (paid with her own money) and work her butt off, doing amazingly well in her career (and thus she wants respect) she is stealing from/exploiting men? Am I supposed to thank you for "letting" me achieve what I have achieved on my own?
You can't just expect men in general to let women Steal/Exploit hard earned ressources just for the sake of them demanding respect and arguing that their duties are overbearing. Men have greater caloric needs than women, they are egoistical, stingy, arrogant, proud and aggressive because if they weren't. They would've died a long time ago. Women mated with those that Provided the best chances of survival and you're the offspring of GENERATIONS of survivors.
When I mean WAR. I mean the actual things like WWII, VIETNAM, IRAQ etc... According to the principles of SUN TZU, " the art of war" when you're at war and you invade a territory, exploiting the enemies ressources is part of the deal of an invasion. It diminushes the costs on the government and entails those on the oppressed. That's why a Strong army is a necessary evil to maintain those boundaries safe from exploitation by unwelcomed hands. I think feminist are doing the same but against MEN.
LOL women do abuse, I have never denied that. I have told plenty of guys on this site to dump useless women who were playing them. Again, you're twisting what I said because you seem butthurt. Also, how is feminism -not- political, e.g. the woman's suffrage movement?
"I have dealt with guys who were physically/emotionally abusive/manipulative." This is what I'm saying, you assume only men are capable of abusing and manipulating people. Treating people like crap has nothing to do with feminism or men vs women, but people like you act like it is, even though you won't admit it. It's this perpetual circle of playing the victim and acting your problems are somehow more important and worse than anyone elses. People are sh*tty, man or women, get over it.
footballfan, you act like people actually think rape is OK. Nobody thinks rape is OK, they just don't think of themselves as raping someone because they were a bit aggressive in their advances or because they they guessed wrong in thinking the girl was enough of a right mind to make a judgment about her sexual activities. The ohio case is pretty clear cut, but its not always like that. Rape culture exists no more than murder culture exists. Some evils in life are just not going to go away 100%.
Most rapists are men. Sorry. Get over it. Instead of teaching girls to "prevent it," we should teach boys not to rape in the first place. If a girl is friends with you, it doesn't mean you can take advantage of her when she's drunk "because she didn't say no," and you don't get special brownie point for not raping her. It's called being a decent human being.
The Steubenville guys don't condone rape? The guy laughing about the "dead girl" the guys raped doesn't condone rape? Please educate me, besides cognitive dissonance, on how these men can thoroughly enjoy raping, gaslighting, and bringing pain to a girl yet "not condone" it.
Also, highlighting women's issues is not "showing a lack of care for men." Again, "what about the menz!?" strikes again. The world is pretty much about you already. Have some empathy.
"No man condones rape."
Oh, so the guy who raped my friend for years doesn't condone rape?
Then on top of that, people don't believe you afterwards? Then guys consider you a slut or damaged goods because you "let" it happen? Perhaps you catch an STD that haunts you for the rest of your life? You die of AIDS? You pass HIV to your baby? You have to use condoms every time with your new partner, so he doesn't catch it?
"Acting like rape is worse than anything a man experiences is self entitled and shows a lack of care for men."
I -never- said anything like that, because men can be raped too. BUT, men don't live with the everyday threat of rape like we do. Honestly though, can you tell me something exclusive tomen that is worse than forcefully and painfully yielding to someone, especially if he supposedly loves you? And it hurting the whole time, while he enjoys your pain? And you're helpless and immobilized?
You know what really helped me become an official feminist? This site. I am so sick of guys saying how terrible women are, how shallow we are, how we owe them dates/sex, and how it's okay to rape us if we don't say no. I'm sick of double standards and lack of respect for women -because they are women-, not because of behavior, because these women often have already demonstrated behavior worthy of earning respect.
"your entire article sounds like your bashing men. It sounds like this "I don't hate men...but men do this and this and this which is bad...but I don't hate men". It's contradictory. For reasons explained before, feminism needs have a culprit and men are the only logical ones."
I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry you feel that it's illogical to blame the sexist men who say sexist things. Sure, some women are misogynists too, but hate is often directed toward someone different, or a threat.
"Like in most cases with male issues, we're just told to shut up and stop complaining."
If you knew me, you would know I would never tell that to a guy who was a rape victim, really was screwed over by an ex-wife, got kicked in the balls, etc. Guys DO have issues, but they don't face discrimination based on their gender nearly as often as women. That is the point of feminism. Feminists WANT men to be happy too. Why wouldn't they?
And don't tell me what my "biological" role is-- I would much rather slave at work than have children, as I have been working since I was 14. Some women aren't cut out for motherhood, and I am one of them. It's a right, not a privilege, to choose not to have children. You can choose between two forms of hard work, kids or a job, or have both. I can only handle one, which is a job. Big whoop.
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I love how some guys are like "I don't tell you to go in the kitchen and make a sandwich/I don't rape/you have birth control even though you 'should' have kids, thus I am 'special'/you should be grateful to all the menz for your rights." Nope, my rights are my rights, not some "privilege" that men granted me. Also, not withholding rights and not violating people doesn't make you special, it means you're simply being a decent human being, which -should- be expected from everyone.
I choose not to have children. I have crappy genes that would be cruel to pass onto a child. It's not my responsibility simply because I have a crappy biological system. I want to get my tubes tied and donate money/volunteer to help the millions of children popped out by women who are at a disadvantage due to poverty or messed-up governments. You're not obligated to procreat either, just to be productive and do good in this world, given you are mentally/physically capable.
What you achieve on your own (aided by the ressources of the country you live in). Is acceptable, but child bearing and mate choosing is still part of you biologicals obligations. You're going to get those cramps each month to remind you that you're a woman. Nothing wrong with that. I'm a man and I'm expected by society to find ways to make a living and raise a family. The means to achieving that differ obviously, but the goal remain's SURVIVAL.
I never suggested breaking the law. The rules are often broken when sexism occurs, such as the military sexual harassment scandal right now. We need better enforcement if said laws, because their is an underlying societal belief in America that women are minorities less worthy of respect. Those women don't deserve to be harassed and raped by -their own fellow soldiers/authorities- simply because they wish to do good and serve their country.
So, if men "let" a woman get a college education (paid with her own money) and work her butt off, doing amazingly well in her career (and thus she wants respect) she is stealing from/exploiting men? Am I supposed to thank you for "letting" me achieve what I have achieved on my own?
You can't just expect men in general to let women Steal/Exploit hard earned ressources just for the sake of them demanding respect and arguing that their duties are overbearing. Men have greater caloric needs than women, they are egoistical, stingy, arrogant, proud and aggressive because if they weren't. They would've died a long time ago. Women mated with those that Provided the best chances of survival and you're the offspring of GENERATIONS of survivors.
When I mean WAR. I mean the actual things like WWII, VIETNAM, IRAQ etc... According to the principles of SUN TZU, " the art of war" when you're at war and you invade a territory, exploiting the enemies ressources is part of the deal of an invasion. It diminushes the costs on the government and entails those on the oppressed. That's why a Strong army is a necessary evil to maintain those boundaries safe from exploitation by unwelcomed hands. I think feminist are doing the same but against MEN.
LOL women do abuse, I have never denied that. I have told plenty of guys on this site to dump useless women who were playing them. Again, you're twisting what I said because you seem butthurt. Also, how is feminism -not- political, e.g. the woman's suffrage movement?
"I have dealt with guys who were physically/emotionally abusive/manipulative." This is what I'm saying, you assume only men are capable of abusing and manipulating people. Treating people like crap has nothing to do with feminism or men vs women, but people like you act like it is, even though you won't admit it. It's this perpetual circle of playing the victim and acting your problems are somehow more important and worse than anyone elses. People are sh*tty, man or women, get over it.
footballfan, you act like people actually think rape is OK. Nobody thinks rape is OK, they just don't think of themselves as raping someone because they were a bit aggressive in their advances or because they they guessed wrong in thinking the girl was enough of a right mind to make a judgment about her sexual activities. The ohio case is pretty clear cut, but its not always like that. Rape culture exists no more than murder culture exists. Some evils in life are just not going to go away 100%.
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Most rapists are men. Sorry. Get over it. Instead of teaching girls to "prevent it," we should teach boys not to rape in the first place. If a girl is friends with you, it doesn't mean you can take advantage of her when she's drunk "because she didn't say no," and you don't get special brownie point for not raping her. It's called being a decent human being.
The Steubenville guys don't condone rape? The guy laughing about the "dead girl" the guys raped doesn't condone rape? Please educate me, besides cognitive dissonance, on how these men can thoroughly enjoy raping, gaslighting, and bringing pain to a girl yet "not condone" it.
Also, highlighting women's issues is not "showing a lack of care for men." Again, "what about the menz!?" strikes again. The world is pretty much about you already. Have some empathy.
"No man condones rape."
Oh, so the guy who raped my friend for years doesn't condone rape?
Then on top of that, people don't believe you afterwards? Then guys consider you a slut or damaged goods because you "let" it happen? Perhaps you catch an STD that haunts you for the rest of your life? You die of AIDS? You pass HIV to your baby? You have to use condoms every time with your new partner, so he doesn't catch it?
"Acting like rape is worse than anything a man experiences is self entitled and shows a lack of care for men."
I -never- said anything like that, because men can be raped too. BUT, men don't live with the everyday threat of rape like we do. Honestly though, can you tell me something exclusive tomen that is worse than forcefully and painfully yielding to someone, especially if he supposedly loves you? And it hurting the whole time, while he enjoys your pain? And you're helpless and immobilized?
You know what really helped me become an official feminist? This site. I am so sick of guys saying how terrible women are, how shallow we are, how we owe them dates/sex, and how it's okay to rape us if we don't say no. I'm sick of double standards and lack of respect for women -because they are women-, not because of behavior, because these women often have already demonstrated behavior worthy of earning respect.
"your entire article sounds like your bashing men. It sounds like this "I don't hate men...but men do this and this and this which is bad...but I don't hate men". It's contradictory. For reasons explained before, feminism needs have a culprit and men are the only logical ones."
I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry you feel that it's illogical to blame the sexist men who say sexist things. Sure, some women are misogynists too, but hate is often directed toward someone different, or a threat.
"Like in most cases with male issues, we're just told to shut up and stop complaining."
If you knew me, you would know I would never tell that to a guy who was a rape victim, really was screwed over by an ex-wife, got kicked in the balls, etc. Guys DO have issues, but they don't face discrimination based on their gender nearly as often as women. That is the point of feminism. Feminists WANT men to be happy too. Why wouldn't they?
And don't tell me what my "biological" role is-- I would much rather slave at work than have children, as I have been working since I was 14. Some women aren't cut out for motherhood, and I am one of them. It's a right, not a privilege, to choose not to have children. You can choose between two forms of hard work, kids or a job, or have both. I can only handle one, which is a job. Big whoop.