Girls, why don't most of you ever admit that a guy's skin color and race matters a lot?

[MyUsernameRules]

A lot of guys admit it yet girls don't. And even then, if you compare both guys and girls it's easy to admit that girls in comparison to guys care much more about skin color and race. Guys are generally more open minded when it comes to a girl's race and skin color than girls are when it comes to a guy's race and skin color. I've been to different countries in Europe and Asia and have seen it myself with my very own eyes.

I'm Indian and if you're unaware, there are some Indians and other South Asians who aren't like your typical brown or dark skinned South Asians but are very light skinned. So many of the North Indians, Pakistanis, Nepalis are really light skinned but their chances with girls are far better than your average or dark skinned South Asians. Even in South Asian countries, girls generally go for the lightest skinned guys they can find.

Anyways why did I ask this question? Because of the poll results of this question. www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q1118626-straight-females-males-which-ethnicity-are-you-least-attracted-to Indian guys have almost 20 more votes by girls as the least attractive than the ones who are voted as 2nd least attractive. Indian guys have at least 10 more votes than black girls who are voted as the least attractive by guys. This right here should tell you how girls value skin color and race more than guys.

Personally, I have always had friends of different races who are good looking, fit and good with girls compliment me on the way I dress and many other things. I work out even though I'm not a beast and I don't fit in any of the stereotypical category of an Indian guy like smelling bad. Girls however don't value me the same way as these guys do.

I know this is long but read it and answer please. There are many questions where Indian guys ask girls in short sentences if girls here are attracted to them or not yet only 3-6 girls choose to answer it while the other girls completely ignore it. And not all say yes.

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I asked because I've never been in an area with a large South Asian community so there aren't many South Asian girls available for me to date. I study overseas too so it's tough. I'm wondering if there's no shot for me to approach other girls.

[aficionado]

Being a brown-skinned Indian myself, I can perfectly understand this. For some stupid reason, ALL Indian men are stereotyped as 'ugly and dirty', and outside the Indian subcontinent they're usually considered the worst possible scum of the planet who should never exist. Strangely, Indian women are never seen like this, and are in fact much sought after by most men all over the world.

Forget about other women, even Indian women would rather NOT prefer Indian men. Along with the 'ugly and dirty' tag, now we Indian men have also been slapped with the 'pervert' tag, thanks to the stupid Indian media which ALWAYS projects women as angels and men as the worst possible monsters.

If an Indian man asks a question here non-anonymously, then the women are pretty quick to pick on him due to his ethnicity, and make a blanket statement that his problem (whatever it is) is due to the fact that he's 'Indian'. Strangely enough, the men on this site are much more tolerant, though.

And then, these people pick on the apparently 'bad' English of Indians, without realizing that English is NOT the native language of most, if not all Indians.

Your profile says you stay in the United States, so i hope you aren't picked on or racially abused for being 'Indian' frequently. People go on and on about how black people face racial discrimination, but they don't know the kind of discrimination faced by Indian men. Imagine being discriminated in their own country by people of their own ethnicity, just because their skin tone is dark. WHAT THE HELL.

[MyUsernameRules]

I faced racism a lot when I was a little kid but not much when I grew up. There's still racism everywhere, especially in white dominated countries.

[Tombstone1000100]

Strangely enough nobody has ever pointed out my nationality here for any reason. Never had any communication problem, problem in getting answers, even I have many descent chat sessions with WHITE girls.
I am actually confused here..

[MyUsernameRules]

@Tombstone1000100 I don't think it's as close to bad as opinion owner said but you gotta read some answers by girls on this site regarding Indian guys. A lot of girls on this site have generalized that Indian men treat their women like shit, are creepy and perverts, ugly, only want white girls for sex, etc.

[Tombstone1000100]

Yeah, I noticed the poll.

[aficionado]

@Asker
Yeah agreed. I have never been outside India. But I guess the racial discrimination against Indians is much higher in Australia and certain European countries compared to US, because of the presence of a significant number of African-Americans in the US. So most people in the US are USED to see darker skinned people on a daily basis, whereas in other white-dominated countries that's not the case. Considering the people I know (family and friends) who have visited/migrated to other countries, it seems Australia and Germany are the worst countries for Indians because of rampant racism against them, whereas the US is a bit more tolerant.

[MyUsernameRules]

Yeah, I heard it's pretty awful in Australia. Not sure about Germany though but I guess I gotta see it myself since I'll visit there soon. You should visit US though, people are generally quite friendly. It's just that when I was a little kid, I grew up in one of the worst parts so that's why I faced racism there.

[aficionado]

Visiting US, or any other country for that matter, is too expensive. And people in India are almost always overworked and underpaid. I'm one among them, so affording a visit to a foreign country remains a distant dream for me.

[AdamThomas]

Political correctness and fear of being labelled racist.

[MyUsernameRules]

Good answer.

[TheDevilInside]

here's something I've experienced:

- I used to think I'll never be attracted to a middle eastern guy. But then I had a pretty hard crush on my middle eastern friend.
- I used to think I'll never be attracted to a black guy (I was born and raised in Asia, which so desperately worships pale skin). Then after having connected with a black guy, I found myself finding him attractive.

I used to think that race and skin color matters, but in the last few years, I had to swallow my own words twice already.

Now I think:
- when it comes to people you don't know, I guess race and skin color matters (for me, at least). But once I get to know the person, it doesn't play any role anymore.
- It's the culture that matters, because I find myself way more often turned off by certain cultures than by race or skin color.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, you don't know everything. You can't gain an accurate truth from a poll on GAG where so many various types of people weren't here to participate. Just because skin color is apparently a big deal to you and you probably think it's a big deal when choosing who you date does not mean everyone will feel the same way.

I'm a firm believer that anyone who places excessive importance on skin tone is shameless in their own pre-mature ignorance and it's foolish. Skin is simply a casing to protect your flesh and organs from harmful toxins... to keep your body from falling apart. That's it. People who act like skin determines attractiveness look really stupid and they are going to miss out on lots of wonderful people because they are so dignified in their foolishness.

[MyUsernameRules]

When did I say skin color was a big deal to me? I'm open to dating all races, even though I prefer South Asian girls, Middle Eastern girls, and Hispanic girls the most. Doesn't mean I'd eliminate the possibility of dating any other women just to have these women. I find others attractive too.

I agree with what you say but I seriously don't understand why women consider skin color and race to be a bigger factor when it comes to a guy's attractiveness than guys do when it comes to a girl's attractiveness.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm not having this convo with you because you keep acting like your assumptions are facts and
trying to state what a ton of strangers feel.

[Ozanne]

First if all, what in hell? I can't admit to something I don't do! I'm white and I'm in an interracial relationship. Secondly, the question is what race you're least attracted to. Someone's gotta answer something if they're inclined. I'm sorry that Indo folk are getting no love there but I don't know what to say, not in my circles, anyway! I answered white in that poll because I don't usually date white men. Not any reason, just that I like dar hair, dark eyes, dark skin. That's usually a non-white.

[MyUsernameRules]

Someone's gotta answer something but if least attractive men have at least 10 more votes than least attractive women, it's pretty clear that girls in general find skin color and race to be more important than guys. There will always be exceptions though.

[Ozanne]

I don't know, maybe they're thinking of like, Ghandi or something. I watched a Salman Khan movie once a few years ago and I wondered why all my Indo girl friends were keeping him such a secret!! Meowwwww! :D

[MyUsernameRules]

Salman Khan is really light skinned and South Asian girls are obsessed with really light skinned South Asian guys. Light skinned South Asians have no problem dating a girl in their own countries or anywhere else.

[Ozanne]

Yeah well Bollywood actresses are the same. Guys who are south Asian drool over them and they try and look as light as possible. Does that mean they really don't like their own race? It doesn't make sense.

[MyUsernameRules]

There are dark Bollywood actresses who are obsessed over by guys like Bipasha Basu and few others. I'm not saying anyone is not liking their race, I'm just saying girls in general are more concerned about guy's skin color and race than guys are with girls.

[Ozanne]

Here's something to consider: younger women seem to be. I say this because in a lot of families there are expectations that a girl remain with her own race and religion. She gets too scared to date outside of that. Sons usually get away with more. It's not until a girl is older that she'll get out of that chokehold, but until then if there is a strict upbringing, you'll find more girls concerned with appearances to save grief from their parents about it.

[Ozanne]

I just looked at your Bipasha Basu... that's one hell of a light Indo chick. I thought you'd say MIA or something. This woman is quite light!

[MyUsernameRules]

She's considered to be darker than almost all of the other Bollywood actors and actresses. We were speaking of Bollywood and MIA isn't a Bollywood actress so I didn't mention her name.

[Ozanne]

Ok fine, but she's still famous.

[MyUsernameRules]

And she's still seen attractive by men. I can't think of one dark skinned Indian celebrity who is seen as attractive by Indian women there.

[Ozanne]

It doesn't matter... did you read what I wrote, three responses down? That is probably why girls worry more about race than guys do, and only at younger ages.

I know Asian and Indo communities are very strict with their daughters who they date, and usually it's the nice boy of the nice friend who has land next to theirs. Very dumb expectations, but girls are usually afraid of disappointing their parents, so they stay within their race. Then you have other races such as white and black that aren't exposed to as much Indo and Asian men/women to date, therefore they aren't really going to say it's a preferred race when they already date many people of the same race and maybe one other that happens to be prevalent in their community. I hope this is making sense.

[MyUsernameRules]

That makes sense, but Indian women are still seen as desirable by other men but men aren't. Many young girls like black girls seem to be obsessed with white guys, like the ones on this site with their unlimited questions about them. I'm sure if any race the black parents of the black girls don't want their daughters to date, it's white guys more than any other. Almost all the young non-white girls are fine with dating white boys. Even so many young Indian girls are obsessed with them. You really expect me to believe skin color isn't a factor to them? Personally, I believe that if I turned white overnight, my chances with girls would skyrocket even after having the same face, body, and personality.

[Ozanne]

Good lord don't wish yourself to be white. I've seen your picture. Stay the way you are.

[MyUsernameRules]

I don't wish to be white but I know for a fact my chances would skyrocket with girls if my skin color turned white overnight.

[Ozanne]

With who? Teenaged black girls?

[MyUsernameRules]

Women in general. The only race of women my chances would drop is with South Asian women because all women besides Asian women prefer their men over others which is completely acceptable.

[Ozanne]

Yeah, not buying that. Like you said, you've made an observation and it doesn't apply to all women, and that would include me. I'm white, and I think white guys are dorks most of the time. They're cheap, can't dance, treat girls like buddies, wear sweatpants, sleep in, give shitty backscratches, ... I could go on. But hey that's just my observation too, and I'm white and have dated a few white guys to know I'm tired of them.

[MyUsernameRules]

Well, you're an exception and you still shouldn't generalize white men just because of few shitty white men you ran into. And if you looked at the poll of which race women found attractive the most, the votes for whites completely shitted on every other race. Not all women are the same but generally speaking, I'd be desired more if my skin color turned white and this goes to pretty much every other Indian guy also.

[Ozanne]

I'm trying to joke with you. Anyway, there were 72 votes from women. These 72 women do not represent everyone. It's just a poll on GaG. It gives you an idea, but really, you're going to take to heart what you like. This is a site where it seems everyone is hung up on race because every few minutes there are racial questions. Women were pitted in a corner to ask what their LEAST favourite race was to date. One was going to lose out. White men do NOT have it easier, and as a white woman with white guy friends I know they have normal struggles like every other guy. I am sure there are lots of young girls with racial hangups because of their upbringing, but you don't know how old these women were who voted or what their situation was to answer the way they did. As I said, they could be locked in their rooms told they can't date a ******* guy. (insert race there). That's likely why the votes swing the way they do. You asked, that's likely why. Women never know what they want anyway.

[MyUsernameRules]

"White men do NOT have it easier, and as a white woman with white guy friends I know they have normal struggles like every other guy"

The number and percentage of white guys having girl problems is still far lower than Indian guys. And look at young black girls here who constantly ask about white guys. I'm sure if any race black parents don't want their daughters to date, it's white guys. Yet black girls highly prefer to date white guys interracially than any other guys, no matter what the age.

[Ozanne]

"The number and percentage of white guys having girl problems is still far lower than Indian guys."
Do you mind backing up this statement with proof? Any link or a source you can quote? Because I don't believe it. You're thinking what you want now, and it gives me the impression that you simply want to use this information as a way to victimize your race. I don't know what to say to you anymore. You're convinced of something ridiculous now - not just that there is a preference of GaG females of certain races. I need to start my day, so I'm logging for a bit (not ignoring you, just letting you know I'm not answering for a reason). I don't know if you're in Asia or North America, but if you're still awake, go check out the hopeless saps of white guys on GaG who are having girl troubles and tell me what percentage of white guys are desperate about girls compared to Indian men--or ANY men. :)

[MyUsernameRules]

These are statistics taken from plenty of fish online dating site
https://i.imgur.com/y9qrohc.png
https://i.imgur.com/Bejhz0G.png

Indian guys are least likely to get a response whereas white guys are most likely to get a response. Sure there are hopeless saps of guys within every race but there's way more among Indians than any other race. I've seen it with my own eyes.

[Ozanne]

These links mean nothing to me. There's no credible source attached or even labeled. Plus, that all you could find? I'll need a better source to show you're opinion is a fact. For now, it's merely your opinion and the more I read what you say each time, the more you've settled on victimizing your race. Even when being complimented, you still find loopholes of why you or your race is found attractive.

[MyUsernameRules]

It's from an online dating site, plenty of fish. And sure, there might be few exceptions who will compliment but other are way more favorable when it comes to compliments.

[LastGirlScout]

I answered your previous question but only as honestly as I could. You didn't ask me about my female friends though, a few of which have dated Indian and Pakistani guys. I do hope I didn't give you a false idea of what all women think, there are plenty out there who don't feel the same as I do and wouldn't like the same type of men I do. Everyone has different tastes, please don't be put off by some answers you got from a very small group of people. GaG doesn't have millions of users so bear that in mind.

[LastGirlScout]

also, it wasn't dark skinned people I'm not attracted to but Indian & Pakistani. I find black guys attractive.

[MyUsernameRules]

There might be few who don't mind brown or dark skinned South Asian guys but generally, not many. I never said black guys had issues. I meant brown or dark skinned South Asian guys. Even Asian guys have issues attracting girls. There seems to be more girls who worry about guy's skin color and race than guys who worry about a girl's skin color and race.

[LastGirlScout]

I don't worry about it, and if I met a guy who was of that ethnicity and I liked him then if date him, I'm not going to let skin colour stop me, but I've just never met a guy like that that I've been attracted to. I've met far more me who have said they would never date a black girl than girls saying they wouldn't date an Asian guy... in fact, I've never met a girl who's said that!

[MyUsernameRules]

"but I've just never met a guy like that that I've been attracted to"

That's the thing. There are more girls like this than guys. When guys and girls are asked if they find certain races attractive, guys say I'm not attracted to them or least attracted to them but still have seen few

[MyUsernameRules]

I accidentally clicked enter. I haven't finished my comment yet so don't reply to that.

[MyUsernameRules]

When guys and girls are asked if they find certain races attractive, guys say I'm not attracted to them or least attracted to them but still have seen few attractive girls of that kind. While girls say that I've never been attracted to one. When it comes to guys like white guys, I've never met or heard from any non-white girls saying they have never been attracted to a white guy before. And no matter how many guys say they aren't into black girls, they still don't say I've never been attracted to black girls. I didn't say guys didn't care about race or skin color either, I said girls seem to care quite more about it. And guys are brutally honest about what they like while girls aren't because they don't wanna be seen as shallow. I see more guys, especially white and Latino guys dating black girls than Asian guys dating non-Asian girls.

[LastGirlScout]

Well i ben to different, my own experience is of white men saying they do not find black women attractive. That is exactly what they have said. The problem is you are an indian/Asian male, of course the views you hear won't strictly be honest because people try and be nice to the person they're talking to.

[thunderpuff23]

I think it may have to do with the stereotypes associated with each race, more than anything else. Indian men and other South Asians are rarely portrayed in a sexually desirable light in media; they're always either the nerdy sidekick or a curry-guzzling caricature of a man. South Asian men, more than South Asian women, suffer from this negative portrayal. Over time, those ideas are internalized, and can affect the dating decisions of some. Some, not all. Because I know plenty of South Asian men who are incredibly attractive, who I'd date in a heartbeat, or who have found attractive partners in turn.

[MyUsernameRules]

Maybe but personally, I've never been nerdy or reeked of curry. And I see South Asians who are really light skinned, the ones who can pass for any other race but still with South Asian features, have absolutely no problem with girls of other races. Sure, there are few exceptions like you who are open to South Asian guys as a whole but other girls don't seem to be. And are girls really that influenced by the media? Shouldn't they be smart enough to have a better judgment? Because I don't think girls are that stupid. I just believe skin color and race is much more important to girls than it is for guys.

[thunderpuff23]

Haha, I'm open to dating South Asian guys because I'm of a South Asian background as well. And I can honestly say that when you're growing up being inundated with messages of "the lighter the better," there comes a point where you start to believe it. My mother would constantly scold me for going out in the sun and getting "dark," I'd have aunties who would comment on other girls saying "oh, so and so's daughter is pretty, but she'd be prettier if she were lighter." South Asia guys themselves are harsher critics of skin tone; they almost always go for the lighter skinned girls, without fail, whilst I think South Asian girls are generally more forgiving of "darkness." So I think it's unfair to single out girls for lacking "better judgment," when what you're describing is more than just an individual preference - it's a historically rooted cultural issue.

[MyUsernameRules]

South Asian guys are critical within their own race when it comes to skin color and more vocal but not as picky though. Girls are just not vocal when it comes to these things because of their image. I have a lot of dark skinned Indian cousins in India and noticed that the guys, even though they are doctors get rejected mostly by girls when it comes to arranged marriage proposals. The girl cousins who weren't working, not as educated, and of course dark skinned had majority of the guys accepting their marriage proposal. Guys might seem more harsh because they are more vocal but if you look at the actions, girls are generally more picky in South Asia. I've stayed in India for some time and noticed dark girls had far better chances than dark guys. The prettiest dark girls usually dated only lighter skinned guys whereas the best looking and fit dark guys were mostly just with dark girls.

[thunderpuff23]

Those incidences aren't so cut and dry as you seem to think. First off, arranged marriage proposals are little better than a meat market; "what is the best value in a spouse I can get with my credentials?" If it came down to a dark-skinned doctor and a light-skinned doctor, who do you think is going to win in this superficial sale where personality rarely comes into play? The conventionally attractive light skinned man. The reason the darker, unemployed girls get their proposals accepted could be for a number of different reasons, including having more men than women of a marriageable age, and men being traditionally seen as the breadwinner, diminishing the need for a woman to be as educated as her future partner. Guys can't afford to be picky in those situations, because their choices are already limited due to the nature of the population.
I'm pretty light skinned myself, but with white guys, I've never had to worry whether I'm too light or dark, and frankly, it's quite freeing.

[MyUsernameRules]

Well, that's just how arranged marriages are. No one knows much about the other person's personality. And women there are seen as marriage material at a much younger age than men. Most are marriageable right after they graduate High School while all men go to universities and then work for a year or two at least to be considered marriageable. There are a lot of parents there who are ready to arrange their women right away so the options for men aren't too limited. Dark skinned women just have had better luck in marriage proposals than men. I'm not saying men don't care about a woman's skin color, I just think women care for it more from seeing their actions. The men who do care are quiet vocal while the women aren't. Maybe cause they are afraid to be judged.

[thunderpuff23]

I disagree. Generally, women of all races can afford to be more picky than men, and that's why dark skinned women have more options than their male counterparts when it comes to marriage. I don't think you can generalize the actions of a few to a whole gender like that, and say that women care more for skin colour than men, though. I personally have never seen a successful light skinned man with a dark skinned woman, while I have seen many a successful dark skinned man with a light skinned woman. Light skin in women are seen as one of the most sought after physical attributes, because in Asian cultures, women are judged primarily by their appearance whilst men are judged primarily by their economic status and accomplishments. To base your whole opinion on a statistically insignificant poll is just plain erroneous.

[MyUsernameRules]

I never said men didn't care about skin color or race but I said women care more. I saw quite a few light skinned men with dark skinned women while I stayed in India for a period of time. I really didn't see more dark skinned successful men with light skinned women. Among the younger crowd, majority of the good looking dark skinned girls dated light skinned guys while almost all of the good looking dark skinned guys dated dark skinned girls rather than light. And yes, women can afford to be more picky than men hence that could be the reason why they are more picky when it comes to a man's skin color and race than a man is with a woman's skin color and race. The fact that a number and percentage of dark skinned guys having problems with the opposite sex is higher than dark skinned girls should be quite evident itself.

[thunderpuff23]

No, in my experience, women are pickier about a man's financial and social background, not so much his skin colour or race. I have seen the opposite of what you describe; I have seen the dark skinned man with the light skinned woman but rarely vice versa. But the thing is, just like me, you're basing all of your assumptions on your experiences, not on any factual studies. So you can't claim that "women care more" about something like skin colour and pretend that it's the truth. It's not. And it's unfair to presume that your assumptions apply to a whole sect of people like that.

[MyUsernameRules]

Most women of any race or skin color, no matter where they would go in the world would not fail to attract a man generally. Black women struggle more as compared to other women but even then, they get enough men approaching them. You can't say the same about men though. Majority of certain races of men like brown or dark skinned Indians, Asians, and even black men are not guaranteed to attract women wherever they go like women when it comes to men. Majority of white men usually don't struggle to attract women wherever they go. So not only are women much more pickier than men when it comes to how much money a man makes or how high his social status is, they are still a bit more picky when it comes to a man's skin color or race. My experiences are from what I've seen in 3 different continents rather than just one.

[thunderpuff23]

i'm failing to see your point here. We seem to agree that women generally have more options when it comes to dating, yet you seem determined to make a cultural issue into a personal one. White skin has always been attractive, dating back to the times of colonization. The residual effects of that era is still being felt, whether it is through the white-dominated mass media, or the skin bleaching creams being sold in billions to desperate women. The reason women have more leverage in the dating world is rooted in biological and evolutionary drives; women have always been picky about their partners to ensure the viability of their offspring. Men can't afford to be as picky. But when they are given the chance, such as when they become wealthy or successful, South Asian men tend to go for light skinned women. Because wherever you go, light is still considered beautiful, regardless of race. It's not an issue where you can point the finger to one gender, it's a cultural and historical one.

[MyUsernameRules]

Women afford to be more picky because men aren't as picky. Women in general are more shallow in men because they can afford to be more shallow since men aren't as picky and are open to dating more kinds of women than women are. Women can bring up biology and evolution in their argument but what's the point, they are only proving that they are biologically designed to be more picky and shallow than men.
"But when they are given the chance, such as when they become wealthy or successful, South Asian men tend to go for light skinned women."
Not all the time but usually, yeah. I never said men didn't care about a woman's race or skin color but only said that more women care about a man's race and skin color than a man does with a woman's race and skin color.

[thunderpuff23]

"Women can afford to be more picky because men aren't picky." It's all about opportunity and risk vs benefit. Traditionally, if women weren't picky about their spouses, they'd be left with the sole burden of childrearing which was not the case for men. You just admitted that given the opportunity, men go for light skinned women. So both genders can be equally shallow, all one is lacking is the opportunity. You can't just call women more shallow and leave it at that, while dismissing the whole host of reasons behind the preference for light skin. And quite honestly, women have traditionally judged a man by his financial and social standing while a man judged a woman by her youth, fertility, and appearance. Both shallow reasons there. But nowadays, you'll find both men and women who could care less about their partner's appearance just like you'll find men and women who only care about appearances. It's not more prevalent in one gender over the other.

[MyUsernameRules]

I meant to say women can afford to be more picky because MEN AREN'T AS PICKY. Given the opportunity, men go for light skinned because they are picky too but still not as picky as women. The number of attractive dark skinned women dating light skinned men are still higher than dark men marrying light skinned men. And women judge men just as much when it comes to looks but willing to sacrifice looks when money is a factor, so men seem more shallow when it comes to looks because they don't care about women's money.
"they'd be left with the sole burden of childbearing which was not the case for men."
So why go for a rich man with a shitty personality than a decent money making man living an honest life? I doubt any women even care about future childbearing when it comes to dating till they reach late 20s or early 30s yet have always been more picky and shallow than men. After a certain age, %age of men who've been on a date is far lower than women, hence proving women are more shallow.

[thunderpuff23]

Men aren't as picky because they don't have the opportunity, not because they're magically less shallow than women. If the roles were reversed, and women outnumbered men, there'd be men choosing the cream of the crop. It has everything to do with human nature, to get what we perceive to be the most desirable spouse on the market - shallowness has very little to do with gender. "dark skinned women dating light skinned men is higher" you have no basis for that claim other than your own experiences and assumptions. That's not a fact, that's your opinion, and just because you believe it doesn't make it true, especially when my own experiences differ.
Women are more shallow than men? I guarantee you will find an equal percentage of shallow and vapid people in both genders; they may be shallow about different things, but the trait is equally present because we are all human, and shallowness is, unfortunately, part of human nature.

[MyUsernameRules]

Women outnumber men in Western countries. And if if does have everything to do with human nature then women in general are more shallow than men. Men don't have the opportunity because they aren't as shallow as men. The fact that men are less shallow when it comes to women give women a huge upper hand in dating. And which places are you basing your own experiences from about the dark skinned women and light skinned men reference? Anywhere in South Asia? If so, how long did you stay in the South Asian country? Men are only shallow in looks usually whereas women are equally or a bit more shallow when it comes to looks but at the same time also shallow in money, height, race, etc. If men decide to be as shallow and picky one day, we'll finally have more men dating rather just selective amount who go on numerous dates. I'm not sure if you're aware of the 80-20 rule but it states that 80% of the women in the population are attracted to only 20% of the men in the population.

[thunderpuff23]

Human nature means HUMAN nature, not female nature or male nature. Where's your proof that women are more shallow than men? Concrete proof, and none of this "I think light skinned men are less biased against skin colour bs." There's no concrete proof, because shallowness is a personality trait that can't really be measured. It's coloured only by your assumptions and experiences, but that doesn't mean what you believe is true for an entire gender. Stop generalizing. My own experiences come from time spent in South Asia (6 years), the Middle East (4 years), and a Western country (10 years). Men are shallow in looks usually? There are men out there who like sugar mamas just like there are women out there who like sugar daddies. It's not more or less prevalent in one gender. Most men claim to not want to date a woman taller than themselves, and women want a taller guy - same level of shallowness.

[thunderpuff23]

The 80-20 rule you quote is the Pareto principle, which has primarily been used in business and economics. If you apply it to human sexual attraction, explain then why the world population is rising if 80% of women are only attracted to 20% of the male population? Ridiculous.

[MyUsernameRules]

"explain then why the world population is rising if 80% of women are only attracted to 20% of the male population?"
Could be due to the lack of men who fit in that 20% top status so they had to settle with others. When I read that article, it had good points so I believed it. Anyways, there are more men who dying without finding a woman than women without finding a man. Especially due to financial issues and what even after living in an age where women can work.

You stated some good valid points though and I think you might have convinced me wrong. Anyways I still feel a bit iffy approaching girls of another race because I'm a brown skinned Indian guy and they are the girls who are usually around me than South Asian girls. My main preference in dating is still South Asian girls.

[thunderpuff23]

Aw man, don't feel discouraged! I'd say about half of my brown guy friends are dating non-South Asian girls, I'm not even exaggerating this. I'm like "leave some for me!" I think the negative stereotypes are slowly but surely dissipating so if you put yourself out there, you'll get positive feedback =)

[MyUsernameRules]

I think the situation is much better in Canada from what I've heard and seen. I still those majority of the guys should stick to their kind though and consider their own girls their main priority. That's just me though, but I'm not eliminating the possibility to date any other girls since there are nice girls in all races.

[MyUsernameRules]

Never mind. My opinion changed back again.

[MsCookie]

Okay so I will answer this question honestly since I read the WHOLE thing. For me, I can honestly say that I am attracted to all races. I dont care one bit about skin color, hell my first puppy love as a kid was a dark skinned boy. As long as the person is decently visually appealing, has a attractive pesonality, and fit ( yeah, thats the part Im shallow about sorry. ) Then you can bet Ill be looking your way.

NOW with that said I will admit that I do have a ignorant perception of South Asain guys which is, that they only date exclusively within their race so, I shouldn't even bother. Which is stupid because someone else could have that same narrow perception about Haitian women.

For white guys I tend not to look their way because they all look generic to me O_o and all the white guys I've come across have been assholes ( Yes, I know theyre all not assholes. Far from it. Just that I've come across enough to just become completely turned off by them in whole. ).

[Ildskf]

I think it just depends on what a girl is attracted to... some girls are attracted to lighter skin, some darker, some in between. For me skin color does matter... I'm usually attracted to someone with similar ethnic features and skin color as me. Even though I have many friends with darker skin tones, it's not what I'm attracted to in a mate. Maybe it's because subconsciously when I have children, I want them to look like me...

[MyUsernameRules]

Yeah but number of dark girls wanting light skinned guys are far higher than light skinned girls wanting dark skinned guys. The number of girls who are concerned with a guy's skin color and race seem to be quite higher than the guys who are concerned with a girl's skin color and race.

[Ildskf]

Oh... I see... I didn't think that darker skinned girls were more interested in lighter skinned guys... that's interesting cause I would have thought they would also be attracted to someone that looks a bit similar to them. A lot of girls are attracted to the dark and handsome look though. Maybe it's where you are from? Where I'm from lighter skin isn't as desired, actually. It's unattractive by many to be considered "pale"... which is why I cover my legs up a lot in the summer. In my area people tan their skin all the time... It's really all relative, I suppose. Some people are attracted to the opposite of what they are and some people are attracted to something more similar.

[MyUsernameRules]

People prefer tanned among whites though. If you haven't noticed, white men wherever they go in the world will not fail to attract women. Can same be same about Indian and Asian men and even black men? No way.

[Anonymous]

We don't want to admit we're shallow towards certain things because it sounds really bad and bitchy; it can also hurt/offend a guy.
We'd like to be anonymous about it rather than have our name on the fact that we're not attracted to a particular race/ethnic of a guy.

[MyUsernameRules]

It might be hurtful but at least our expectations wouldn't be high when it came to other girls. I would have saved myself a lot of time if I knew earlier that girls in generally are not attracted to guys of my race because they value skin color and race more than guys do.

[Opinion Owner]

I think it's more about how they look. Some girls just aren't attracted to your genes.

[Opinion Owner]

and possibly aren't attracted to your culture either.

[MyUsernameRules]

So girls are more picky about a guy's genes and culture than guys are when it comes to a girl's genes and culture? That's pretty shallow.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm not attracted to cultures who are sexist.
I'm not attracted to cultures who give gender roles.
I'm not attracted to cultures that discriminate other cultures.
I'm not attracted to guys with a big flat nose
I'm not attracted to guys with a unibrow
I'm not attracted to guys with dark skin and look exotic
I'm not attracted to guys who treat their body like a rubbish bin

Girls aren't look for guys who look like super models with the perfect genes.
We're looking for guys with at least 2 genes we like. Could be eyes and nose, nose and mouth, or eyes and mouth. And the skin colour that's going with the genes we like.

[MyUsernameRules]

Sexist culture? Are you trying to imply South Asian culture is a sexist culture? Any undeveloped country would be sexist and they are only undeveloped because their riches were robbed at the hands of European countries for 200 years. It's a different culture and it seems you don't respect other culture. Because according to people there, Western countries may seem as sexist due to legalization of P*rnography by how women are sexually degraded according to them, larger number of whorehouses as compared to South Asia, much more guys finding it a deal breaker if a girl says she wants to wait till marriage to lose her virginity, women being sexually objectified, etc. That's how other cultures would see the Western culture if they claimed Western culture is sexist. Not all South Asians have a unibrow. I understand other things you said but you generalized a lot here which makes you racist.

[Opinion Owner]

Did you see the word "South Asian" in any of that?
My boyfriend is South Asian.
I just said WHAT GENES IM NOT PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED TO AND WHAT KIND OF CULTURES GUYS FOLLOW THAT I'M NOT ATTRACTED TO.

[MyUsernameRules]

"I'm not attracted to cultures that discriminate other cultures."
LMAO really? Because many people in the West can't stop generalizing and stereotyping other culture but instead disrespecting them because they aren't like the Western culture. You're also doing the same thing here.

[Opinion Owner]

PLEASE LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF "CULTURE" AND "ATTRACTION"

[MyUsernameRules]

I didn't see the word South Asian, which is why I asked you if you were implying South Asian. Either way, you generalized a lot.

[Opinion Owner]

You asked, "Girls, why don't most of you ever admit that a guy's skin color and race matters a lot?"
Lol, any other guys who don't have dark skin and look exotic can be unattractive too.
To add detail to "I'm not attracted to cultures that discriminate other cultures": I meant cultures that discriminate other cultures for having human freedom.

[MyUsernameRules]

What are you talking about bringing up definitions? I responded to these because you generalized

"I'm not attracted to cultures who are sexist.
I'm not attracted to cultures who give gender roles.
I'm not attracted to cultures that discriminate other cultures."

[Opinion Owner]

You responded by writing a big long ass paragraph starting with the question: Are you trying to imply South Asian culture is a sexist culture? and then assuming my answer is yes by continuing that paragraph with your response to your assumption of my answer; which I didn't even read after your opening question because I was never talking about South Asians.

[MyUsernameRules]

"Lol, any other guys who don't have dark skin and look exotic can be unattractive too."
True but according to the poll and from what I've seen, girls tend to be more picky when it guy's skin color and race than girls are when it comes to a girl's skin color and race.

"I meant cultures that discriminate other cultures for having human freedom."
Some European countries might say US doesn't allow human freedom because we don't have the right to walk outside bare naked, don't have the right to pay for sex, don't have the right to smoke marijuana, etc. Some culture just have certain morals and values that they abide by. Just because the culture isn't followed according to the Western culture doesn't make it bad if you think it is bad. There are positives and negatives in each culture.

[Opinion Owner]

I read the last sentence.
What race am I racist to exactly?
If you're assuming I hate and feel more superior to a particular colour of people. you sir are wrong.
I just told you what i'm not physically attracted to as well as some people's versions of morals i'm not attracted to.

[MyUsernameRules]

Doesn't matter if you didn't mention South Asian culture or not because you were referring to some culture. And since you wrote that, I stated my points if you really were referring to South Asian culture. Considering the main race being discussed in my question was South Asian.

[MyUsernameRules]

You did generalize though about different culture. You said a particular culture is sexist but if anyone of a different culture generalized like you, they would think the Western culture is sexist from the examples that I gave you. Generalizing and stereotyping to me is pretty racist.

[Opinion Owner]

Okay well does that mean every American citizen believes in what the US says is "right"? Some Americans don't believe in that. Some Americans do. I'm really just into people who believe in human freedom. That's all.

[Opinion Owner]

oh god just nevermind. I can't get my point through your head.
Go to bed and keep on believing that all women are shallow and that you shouldn't be with a woman because we're all a waste of your time.

[Opinion Owner]

It's not your fault that I can't get my point to you, it's my own fault.

[MyUsernameRules]

For some, it's human freedom but for others, it's morals and values. People who believe in incest and have incest fetish also think it's a human right to perform incest. Same can go for beastiality. Doing drugs can also be human freedom. Do you support prostitution? Nudism? Legalization of drugs, like heroin? Incest? Beastiality? Because these things are illegal but many claim that these are human rights.

[Opinion Owner]

I hope you find a girlfriend.

[MyUsernameRules]

I never said all women are shallow. All I said was girls in general care more about a guy's skin color and race than guys do, hence the number of shallow girls being higher than guys. And since this is the case, why don't girls admit to this.

[Opinion Owner]

Being called shallow automatically makes people assume that we're gold diggers and are racist. Heavily racist.

[Opinion Owner]

Is it really that shallow to just say i'm not physically attracted to guys have exotic features with dark skin?

[Opinion Owner]

I take back the human freedom talk. You have opened my eyes. Bless you almighty.

[MyUsernameRules]

Your sarcasm doesn't discredit any of the points that I made. And even if it isn't shallow to be not attracted to a guy of a certain skin color, my original point of the question was still why there are higher number of guys who care about a guy's skin color and race than guys who care about a girl's skin color and race. I never said those women were racist.

[MyUsernameRules]

By the way, it is shallow not to be attracted to a certain race or skin color. It's shallow to avoid the possibility of dating a certain kind because you don't find them attractive. Everyone is somewhat shallow. I'm kinda shallow too when it comes to overweight/obese women and women who are taller than me. No matter how great they might be, I won't be attracted to them. And finding a whole race group unattractive is also definitely shallow. Especially when we're all humans in the end. If we compare this trait of shallowness between guys and girls, it happens to be more common with girls.

[Anonymous]

Dude change what you can change. Your pic looks pretty decent, but I would recommend getting a little buffer.
Indian, Black, and Asian guys get the short end of the stick when it comes to "dateability", but if you don't ever ask out a chick, you'll never get a girl. Confidence is universally attractive to women.

[MyUsernameRules]

I'm not skinny dude. I'm pretty lean and muscular and been working out for over 6 months now. Before that I was pretty on and off. I know a pretty buff and good looking Indian guy who has a great personality and quite confident yet can't seem to attract girls' attention. Race and skin color seems to matter so much to girls as it does to guys. Us guys usually just want a cute girl at least regardless of what she is and we're usually attracted to girls of all races.

[Opinion Owner]

Geesh, what part of the world are you in man?

[Opinion Owner]

I don't think a good looking guy from any race would have a hard time

[MyUsernameRules]

A good looking Indian guy's chances with girls equals to an average looking white guy's chances with girls from what I've seen.

[Opinion Owner]

Nah man you're crazy.

[MyUsernameRules]

It's true but you don't have to believe me.

[Opinion Owner]

So you think Adam Sandler can do better than that dude from Heroes?

[MyUsernameRules]

Oh hell yeah. Adam Sandler is white plus he's more rich and popular. He has way more fame while the Indian guy from Heroes is good but he's still brown skinned. If they were just normal guys, their chances with girls would either be equal or a slight edge in favor of Adam Sandler.

[Opinion Owner]

Dude Latinos are brown too...

[MyUsernameRules]

Yeah but Latinos are usually lighter skinned than Indians and have a more Caucasian like features. Even among Latinos, it's the Mestizos (lighter skinned mixed with white) that usually get attention from women

[Opinion Owner]

What can I do to help you bro? Wana message me your Facebook so we can chat?

[Opinion Owner]

Oh w8 I'm anonymous... lol

[MyUsernameRules]

I appreciate your help but it's okay. I'm not willing to add anyone on a social networking site here because I'm only here to procrastinate. I'm not saying my chances are shit but I do know that if I turned any other race overnight but still had the same face and body, my chances would increase. If I turned white my chances with girls would definitely skyrocket.

[Opinion Owner]

Wait, how do you turn another race and then keep the same face and body lol?

[MyUsernameRules]

I'm just saying that if it was a possibility, my chances would increase.

[Opinion Owner]

I know what you mean, I was just joking...
You can't turn into an Asian or Black guy and then keep your same face. I think what you meant was turn into another race and then keep your current attractiveness rating.

[MyUsernameRules]

Yeah, that's what I meant. Like exact same features of attractiveness. If I turned white overnight or anyone for that matter, their chances with girls would increase a lot.

[Opinion Owner]

Alright man, best of luck...
Watch Jesse from Simplepickup, he made it.

[MyUsernameRules]

Funny how you mentioned the Indian guy from Heroes a week ago because look at the answers from girls on this question.
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q1125951-why-do-many-white-chix-find-this-guy-hot
Almost all girls said the brown skinned Indian guy is unattractive. Skin color matters to girls a lot and people like you are too naive to realize it.

[Opinion Owner]

Dude the question itself is biased..."why do White chix find this guy hot"?

DUde follow me @Answerstolife17 I need to talk to u in private...

[MyUsernameRules]

Doesn't matter because if white girls really did find him hot, they would have said "because he is".

[Opinion Owner]

What I mean is that the question made it seem like the asker was trying to confirm that White girls like Indian guys. Dude please follow me man I need to talk to you.

[Anonymous]

There are girls out there that care about race and skin color just as well as there are guys that are the same. Reasons behind that, I'm not sure maybe because they have stereotypes in mind already just because of the race of the guy? Whatever the reason, personally I don't care about race or skin tone. I care about how a guy treats me and his personality. And yes i find guys with dark skin attractive actually any skin tone or race, it doesn't matter to me.

[MyUsernameRules]

I just believe girls as comparison to guys care much more about skin color and race. I didn't say guys didn't care but it seems that skin color and race is a much bigger factor for girls than it is for guys.

[Opinion Owner]

My point was that I see it equally. There are just as much girls as there are guys that think and feel this way.

[InfinityInspiron]

bro girls tend to judge EVERY little detail and this happens to be a big one, just work out a lot have a good body and maintain realy good hygine.

[MyUsernameRules]

Dude, I work out man. I'm just more lean than completely jacked. I was on and off before but been working out for over 6 months now. My chest muscles are stubborn but my arms are big and my legs are naturally really big. My hygiene is great though and I don't smell like curry or have a body odor like your stereotypical Indian guy. I actually have a collection of some really nice cologne and wear them without over spraying myself. I've had so many people compliment me on my collection and how good I smell.

[Tokana]

That's why minorities tend to segregate themselves from the rest of the population.

[MyUsernameRules]

Women of all minority groups can't stop drooling over white men.

[Forca]

That or because they're racist with self-entitlement issues.

[Anonymous]

I admit it matters to me really but not looks wise , as a dark-skinned black girl myself I have had no troubles finding guys from different races. The same goes for girls from my side of Africa. I don't think its colour with Indians/paki people tho that's the issue

[MyUsernameRules]

It definitely is color that is the issue when it comes to Indians, Pakis, Nepalis, Bangladeshis, and Sri Lankans. Like I mentioned, the really light skinned guys from the Northern region, the ones who's skin color are similar to whites have absolutely no problem attracting a girl of different race. Their features are similar to brown and dark skinned guys and the culture is same. Plus they aren't much better in personality either as compared to brown or dark skinned Indian guys.

[Opinion Owner]

I know as I've got Paki family and all. There is the ''lighter the better'' thing going on , it happens in Africa too and they go off lightening themselves.

That might be the issue in Asia/Africa , but in countries like Australia its not because of colour its they way they 'believe ' indians are like the stereotype that puts them off. Dark and light skin Indians/Paki guys are all seen equally here
Yes colour is an issue but its also stereotypes thats more major issue.

For example black Americans
People do just assume they are loud, ghetto, non-educated etc and then think nah they're not my type etc.

[MyUsernameRules]

If stereotype is a factor, why are girls more influenced by stereotype than guys? Are they racist? I don't think they are. I just think they are more shallow and value certain skin color and race more as compared to guys. Because guys don't seem to be much influenced by stereotype as compared to girls if stereotype really is the reason why.

[Opinion Owner]

To be honest , I know quite a number of girls who don't like guys because of stereotypes of people of different nationality. Guys are like that too just not the people around you maybe.

I dont know really , I'm interested with guys from all over the world don't care what country , but I'd only get serious with people from my side. I don't follow stereotypes etc.

They're not racist just they have this mentality that they believe most people from a certain place act like a certain way / look like a certain way

[MyUsernameRules]

"Guys are like that too just not the people around you maybe."
Haha no way. I've met all kinds of people in my life and in different places too. And it seems like girls are more influenced by the stereotype since the votes for the least attractive guys in that question were 10 more than the least attractive girls.

[Opinion Owner]

I've seen plenty of guys influenced by stereotype , the only difference is that guys go for looks more.
I'm just stating how it is where I'm from , stereotypes are a major issue here. Indigenous Australians are by far the hottest people I have ever met. But people don't go for them due to their stereotypes

[MyUsernameRules]

Exactly, guys go for look whereas girls consider skin color and race to be a bigger factor. I never said guys weren't influenced by stereotype. I said girls were more influenced as compared to guys.

[Opinion Owner]

Dude looks is skin colour , so guys are more on that side
While girls (not all) race/ stereotypes

[MyUsernameRules]

Looks is skin color? What are you trying to imply here? Because I know looks is skin color. I'm trying to understand why certain skin color is seen less favorably by girls as compared to guys. And why girls don't admit to this.

[Opinion Owner]

I was trying to say guys go for looks more , skin color included
While girls are stereotypes/personalities /race

Its not everywhere but places like Asia , beauty is lighter skin

[MyUsernameRules]

In places like Asia, lighter skin is seen beautiful but that's because of colonization. And now, Western media like Hollywood plays a big role throughout the world promoting white beauty BUT guys still don't seem to care as much about a girl's skin color and race as girls do about guys. Girls care about looks too but other factors come like money and height so it seems guys are more picky about looks. It's just that guys don't care much about a girl's money or height. For example, there are many good looking guys with fat girls and there are also many good looking girls with fat guys but it's usually because the guy has a lot of money.

[Opinion Owner]

Hollywood don't promote it as much as Asians , they do at some degree but it isn't like a major thing.

Guys DO care about that. Guys lean towards physical appearance , like body , face. , height etc.

You're making girls sound very shallow. Guys do that also. Good looking guys with fat/ugly girls because of money.

[MyUsernameRules]

Guys do care but generally speaking, not as much. There are so many tall guys who date really short girls but also really tall or average height girls. Guys are usually only picky in height when the girl is taller but that doesn't matter since girls generally find shorter guys to be deal breakers. I never said guys weren't shallow, I'm just saying girls value these things more as compared to guys. If we remove the money factor, a fat girl's chances of finding a date with a good looking guy is far better than a fat guy's chances of finding a date with a good looking girl.

[Opinion Owner]

Its the same once money is out of the question both the good looking guy and good looking girl are both long gone.

Dudes are pretty picky on height with taller girls as you said , girls don't 'generally' think shorter guys are deal breakers either.

[MyUsernameRules]

Good looking guy isn't gone. There are so many fit guys who are dating fat girls that aren't rich. Can't say the same about fit girls dating fat guys.

[Opinion Owner]

Good looking guy is gone ! He was down for the money or whatever , guys are shallow also.
I say girls and guy in situations like this are the same.

[MyUsernameRules]

There are very few guys that care about a guy's money as compared to girls who do about a guy's money. All the fat girls that I've seen with good looking guys weren't rich while almost all the fat guys I've seen with good looking girls were rich.

[Opinion Owner]

Are you talking about media or actual experiences?
They fat girls with good looking guys you've seen are probably good looking also but just fat

[MyUsernameRules]

"The fat girls with good looking guys you've seen are probably good looking also but just fat"

They are still fat while the good looking guys are fit. I know a lot of guys who would be look good looking if they weren't fat yet not one good looking girl gives them a chance. And I've been talking about actual experiences. The only time fat guys, whether good looking fat guys or not good looking, had good looking girlfriends only when they were rich.

[Opinion Owner]

Well I'm just stating the facts from where I'm from that's how it is. Good looking guys and girls would go for fat/ugly people if they were rich. I don't know how it is where your from.

This is going absolutely nowhere your mind is dead set. You believe girls are very shallow , its just a poll only represents a small portion of people. Those who follow stereotypes are close minded anyway so
I wouldn't care less what they think , people just have dating preferences that's all.

[MyUsernameRules]

How many places have you been though and stayed for a longer period of time? Because I'm stating the facts based on my actual experiences from 3 different continents. I believe everyone is shallow. I'm shallow too because I won't date a fat girl or a girl taller than me (2 inches taller I guess I'll go for it but girls won't be up for it). Anyways, both guys and girls are shallow BUT I believe girls are generally more shallow than guys. Guys tend to admit their shallowness and even though girls happen to be more shallow, they rarely admit their shallowness. It's probably because of political correctness, image, and fear of being judged.

[Opinion Owner]

I've lived in Australia , Singapore and Around Africa. I'm stating my facts from where I've been.
The problem is you make girls seem like the only shallow one earlier (not the recent reply)

It doesn't mean your shallow for having preferences. That would mean everyone in the world would be shallow.

[MyUsernameRules]

Preferences are not shallow but a bit shallow. Because who knows, that might have been the person who could have made you the happiest. We are all a bit shallow.

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah I agree with you on that.

[MyUsernameRules]

But I think women are more shallow than men because they are just as picky when it comes to looks, way more picky in money, way more picky in height, quiet more picky in race and skin color, etc. Women are more picky in men in things that we can't even control.

[Opinion Owner]

I really don't believe that. I don't think one side is more shallow than the other. Guys are more picky on looks , don't even consider personality. At least girls think of personality. Guys are picky on physical appearance , far much more than women

[MyUsernameRules]

Guys do consider personality important. It's equal to both guys and girls but when it comes to really good looking people or rich guys for girls, personality goes out the window. If personality was so important then why do all the nerdy and geeky guys have problem getting attention from girls? Most of their personalities are far better than the douchebags. If girls cared so much for personality then why do really rich guys with shitty personalities, even gangsters with blood money, have a far better chance attracting girls than a really nice guy with average amount of money who is making an honest living out of his life? There's a thing called 80/20 rule and I don't know how true it is but it says that 80% of the women in society are only attracted to 20% of the men. After a certain age, the percentage of men being in a relationship or losing virginity is far lower than the percentage of women being in a relationship or losing virginity.

[MyUsernameRules]

A lot of women just keep on labeling men shallow and picky because they aren't attractive enough to attract that 20% top status men.

[Opinion Owner]

The differences is that those gangsters/rich guys are more forward than the geeky/nerdy guys and approach the girl.
Anyway the guys with money would only go for other rich or good looking girls.

What about the nerdy/geeky girls with great personalities huh?
You guys would jump to the ''hotter girl'' or girl with money if you had the option.

I believe personality is very important , the same for many other girls. Not everything is about looks , its not all about money (you'll just be used if you go after money if you have nothing but looks to offer and not similar status, looks ( not everyone is chasing afte beautiful people ).

[Opinion Owner]

The same goes to men who complain too !

[MyUsernameRules]

I'm not a nerdy/geeky guy and I highly doubt they give a shit about rich girls. And almost everyone would jump to the hotter person if they had the option, but that doesn't mean they are willing to eliminate the possibility of anyone else just because they want the hot person only. Nerds/geeks usually don't care about that.

There are many guys who don't have much money but are living an honest life are pretty forward too yet their chances with girls are far lower than rich gangsters with their blood money. Women are more likely to eliminate the possibility of dating someone just because they are of a certain race or skin color, not enough money, not tall enough, not enough muscle, etc without even caring for how great the guy is.

[Opinion Owner]

Your dead set on your point no point argueing my point here. I'll tell you this though not every girl chases the rich guys / very attractive. There are girls who want to be compatible , by personality etc. They don't care how much a guys worth etc its not the olden days where men worked for the household.

I hope that a woman one day opens your eyes !

[MyUsernameRules]

I never said that every girl does it, but enough girls to make it a concern and be aware of. I've seen enough guys who started getting attention from girls all of a sudden after earning a lot of money from finally working. These same guys had absolutely no girls talking to them before but the same girls that rejected them in the past just happened to come around in their lives and tried to get their attention once they started earning a lot with a nice car and stuff. It's a fact that that the number of shallow women is higher than shallow men.

[Opinion Owner]

Shallowness is equal for both men and women.. You'll figure that out one day hopefully

[MyUsernameRules]

If it makes you happy. Guys admit they are shallow usually but girls rarely do. I think the reason why girls don't wanna admit is because of their image, and especially don't wanna admit the fact that they are more shallow than guys.

[SandPlanet]

To some it does, to others it doesn't.

Rcace itself simply doesn't matter to me when it comes to attraction. Attractiveness does. Personality does. His view on things does.

[MyUsernameRules]

"To some it does, to others it doesn't."

This applies to men too but the problem is, it seems to matter more to women than it does to men. And it's usually women who go on about how a guy's personality matters more than attractiveness and blah blah blah. Yet, it seems to be more common among women.

[SandPlanet]

Seems seems seems. If these are your observations, then so it be. Others have made other observations. I'm not sure whether to believe your claims or not, I see no valid reason to, so I'll remain neutral for now.

[MyUsernameRules]

If the least attractive guys of a certain race has 10 more votes than the least attractive girls of a certain race, what else would it seem like to me? I'm not saying you or girls like you care more about skin color or race. I'm just saying that there seems to be more girls who care about a guy's skin color and race than guys do with a girl's skin color and race.

[SandPlanet]

Maybe, maybe not. It seems to you like that, it might seem the other way around to someone else. All you're saying here are pure speculations. I don't know what to make of them.

[MyUsernameRules]

I don't know. From what I've seen in all the places I've been to, girls of all races seem to attract attention from guys. Black girls struggle as compared to other races even they get attention. If more black girls were open to Indian guys or Asian guys, I'm sure their chances would be better. And from the places I've been, I've seen guys like Indian, Asian, and even black men have trouble finding girls. Like Asian men in China that I've seen for example. Asian women have no problem at all whatsoever attracting white foreigners since there are so many white foreigners there yet whenever Chinese men approach white women, they get flat out rejected. I only saw one Chinese guy with a white girl but lost count to how many Asian girls I saw with white guys.

[SandPlanet]

This is still too generalizing for me. I have a hard time attributing all these dating habits to a whole gender of whole races. I guess I'm not made for such broad debates.

[chocolateismylover]

I guess it depends on where you go. I know some relatives of mine aren't as open minded as I am. I personally don't really care about skin colour. I would date a dude from any race as long as we both share the same religion. I've been attracted to guys from every race.

[professionalbandit]

u said "same religion" so u r not open minded enough

[Kale_Frost]

Man I just think its where your from, Indian guys well the ones born here they be getting girls with no issues. I've got many Indian/ Paki friends most on the darker side and they have no issues here.

[harakiri]

Attractiveness matters. Culture -may- matter. People need to be physically attracted to each other for something to happen. The darkness of someone's skin isn't something I directly think about.

[MyUsernameRules]

Attractiveness matters, but it seems like girls are measuring attractiveness more by race and skin color than guys. Hence least attractive guys (Indians) having 10 more votes from girls than least attractive girls (blacks). I'm not saying guys don't do it but girls seem to do it more from what I've seen wherever I go.

[harakiri]

You should consider -who- is voting lmao. From which cities... what the demographics are of those cities... People -typically- find what is familiar to be more attractive than what is completely foreign.

[MyUsernameRules]

True but I highly doubt the demographics of the cities of guys who voted happen to be more race friendly than the demographics of the cities of girls who voted.

[harakiri]

How about the age of voters? That has to be a huge factor.
I don't think you can run a study like that on GAG where polling is anonymous.

[MyUsernameRules]

Even if the voters are young, are young girls more concerned about skin color than young guys? I don't know if there are more young girls than young guys on this site. Everyone's usually between 18-29 on here.

[Anonymous]

Just change your name to Juan Jesus Martinez and tell girls you're hispanic. You'll be rollin in pussy then.

[MyUsernameRules]

Haha dude, if you look at my picture you can tell I wouldn't pass for a Hispanic. I might pass as a Middle Eastern though.

[BrunetteNYC]

Darker skinned men have just never appealed to me, not a racist thing, just something I am not attracted to. Although MANY girls that I know do, and they date men of all races.

[professionalbandit]

well thats what many women think majority would prefer a bang average white guy over a good looking coloured guy

[Anonymous]

Your just over thinking it... and people just have preferences and just do... I'm really into Brown and dark brown skin men than lighter skinned men. But I don't really think about it too much as long they're attractive

[Opinion Owner]

im Asian by the way

[MyUsernameRules]

I didn't say all women were like that, I just said there are more women who make it a big deal as compared to men.

[05Jueey]

Because it could hurt/offend others, and it's not worth that

[MyUsernameRules]

Their actions are already offending enough people as it is. If girls admitted then at least guys like me would have had less expectations out of girls from other races. I'd just stick to approaching only South Asian girls than bothered to expect something out of a girl I liked who was of a different race.

[05Jueey]

I dont speak for all white girls though I don't know if you should cancel out a whole race of girls

[MyUsernameRules]

I'm not talking about just white girls but any girls who are not South Asian. I'm not sure if I should approach any girl that isn't South Asian because of my race and skin color.

[poppunk]

Believe what you will, but it honestly doesn't matter to me. If you're hot you're hot and I have no complaints. Every race has attractive and unattractive people. I've had crushes on a variety of races honestly

[Rcjh1987]

I didn't vote Indian when I did this earlier.. Looking at your profile pic your attractive I'm sure you have no issues with the ladies..

[MyUsernameRules]

Thanks and I have never even kissed a girl yet to be honest.

[Rcjh1987]

Your welcome... And really I'm surprised..

[MyUsernameRules]

I've rejected chances of hooking up and even a one night stand though. Just not my thing.

[Rcjh1987]

Yea I understand