Why do girls suck like they do?

[breman]

I'm 26, and I've been dating/trying to date for 13 years now. Why is it that the attractive girls (this means slim, pretty, nice curves, soft skin, pretty hair... heck they can even be just average looking) are never available, lead me on, don't respond on dating sites, don't give me a good reason why they don't want to talk to me anymore, are always too sick or busy to go out with me anywhere, always see me as "more of a friend", or are lesbian? They seem to always turn down the good guy who treats her right to go out with the supreme douche of the popular crowd, like popularity takes precedence over being a gentleman. But they'll tell you the opposite is what blows my fucking mind. Then they get fucked over by those guys and boo hoo about there being no good men left and all men are dogs when there are good men all around. It seems like only fat girls, who are the ones that no one else wants, are available and healthy ALL THE TIME!! They're always the ones who mean business when it comes to getting to know me better and dating me. It just seems like the only route that I have to getting a girl whom I find attractive enough to have sex with is to hire a prostitute. Now that I recall, those are the only attractive girls I've had. Being that, once I start making good money, I will start getting the girls I want finally (everyone says this and I've witnessed it), that will of course mean that they want me for my money, not for me. So wouldn't it make sense to just cut straight to it and just hire a prostitute instead of paying money AND having to say the right things at the right time, having to look your absolute best, having to be patient and all this other crap?

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+1 y

Ok. I AM NOT about to respond to ALL of these damn posts, so let me take down a thousand damn birds with one stone in one place: Yeah being a gentleman toward women and treating them with respect, being honest with them, and never playing games

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with them is SOOOOO disrespectful! Oh yeah I really need to get my act together on that don't I? Maybe if I played girls, didn't give a fuck about them, and knocked them up and left them single parent, I'd have my act together then huh?

[MrOracle]

There's no female conspiracy against you. If all girls are acting the same way towards you, it isn't the girls, it's YOU.

You talk about "treating her like a gentleman." As a former Nice Guy (tm) myself, I know that this is code for "desperate doormat." You might not think so, but that is exactly how girls see you, and why the only ones you are able to attract are OTHER girls who are just as desperate.

The girls you want are in high demand, and like in any transaction, if something is in high demand, the person with that thing can ask for more in return. Rich and/or celeb guys tend to date nothing but hot girls, because THEY CAN, and hot girls have their choice of nearly any guy, so she's going to pick the ones who are MOST attractive to her.

Turn it around: let's say I dropped you into a room with 100 women who all wanted to date you, but you could only choose ONE, and 10 of them were 1's, 10 were 2's, 10 were 3's, etc. Would you really give every one of those girls an equal chance, or would you focus on the 9's and 10's? Hell, you'd probably ignore the 9's and everything below, and focus exclusively on the 10's. Well, guess what? Everyone wants the best that they can get.

So, how do you get a better girl? You need to become a better man. You need to increase your value to women so they will value you more.

Here's the hard part for you to understand and accept: women use a different value system than you do, so you're going to need to think differently than you do now, and that's something a lot of men are simply unwilling to do. That's why they're single.

Most women want a man who is a MAN - that's their TOP priority. That means the man is CONFIDENT, and TAKES CHARGE, even over her. That means that, sometimes, he acts in ways that don't SEEM to be "gentlemanly" towards her, by telling her "no" or telling her what to do. He isn't mean about it, but he is forceful and direct. I would bet big money that you don't do that to hot girls.

[MrOracle]

And, let's be clear: I don't mean you act like an a-hole to them, but rather, YOU make most of the decisions.

Back when I was a Nice Guy (tm), I used to think that I was being nice by letting a girl make the decisions - where to go, what to eat, what to do, etc. How could she not be happy by getting to do what she wanted? I couldn't have been more wrong. Girls HATE to make those kinds of decisions, and want a STRONG MAN to make them for her. Sure, that guy should consider her desires and feelings, and sometimes he should decide to do things she wants, but HE should always be the one making the decisions.

Once I realized this, and learned to put it into practice (and it took a while to learn new behavior), my success with women skyrocketed.

Why? Because women want a guy they can RESPECT. And as Ferris Bueller famously said, "You can't respect someone who kisses your ass."

[breman]

I can respect someone who... as you and Ferris Bueller put it, "kisses my ass". I just don't see the need to run over people just b/c they're soft. I never got that. To me it's just down right cruel, but I guess girls having a vagina or something automatically makes them right even when they're really wrong.

[breman]

Now when I say I can respect someone like that, I mean someone who's kind and laid back, not someone who's a suck up. Even then, I'll just try to discourage it, not take advantage. For the record though, I do make the decisions. She just doesn't go along with them. And a key problem I'm having is that I'll be the one doing all the question asking and elaboration in convo whereas she never does; all she does is respond. Seems like she's not interested. So there, it's not my attitude/personality. Must be looks/lack of money or something. Hard to come up with good convo once you've gotten to know everything about each other and now it's time for you both to go out and have fun yet she never wants to or she ever can b/c she's sick/too busy. But I do have assertiveness.

[breman]

you and most on here have the wrong idea about me. I'm no doormat. Used to be, but I'm not now. And I make that clear to girls I talk to. I AM a true gentleman to them; I hold doors, pull out chairs, listen to them, try to keep interesting convo, make decisions to go out and have fun, pay for the dates, get her a gift for special occasions or just b/c, I don't lie or cheat... the list goes on. I have spine. I stand my grounds firmly. Now if she still thinks that's a "desperate doormat" then I just plain fucking give up. It doesn't make sense. I understand your 3rd paragraph. But then these guys they want are in high demand, and they can dog her ass out when they get ready b/c she might JUST BE AVERAGE (I think you missed that in my original post). And you've confirmed that her criteria don't include what's important; they include the superficial things, which means she lies when she asks for a good guy. There's about a 1-1 ratio of men and women in this country.

[breman]

Therefore, I'd think that there are about as many attractive guys as there are girls, no? So if I'm just asking for a 7, and it's still hard for me to get one, then somehow I'm below a 7? I don't see how myself. I'm not ugly, fat, uneducated, or unconfident. I've told you about my character, so I don't see how I should be having so much problem. By increasing my value you must mean get even better looking and richer b/c I don't see what I should do with my character. I will have a good job once I'm a doctor, but I don't wanna marry anyone who's only gonna be there for my convenient times and not be there for rough times too. The vows say for rich or for poor, better or worse, NOT just for rich and better. How should I think differently? If I do that, I'll end up being someone I'm not, and not for the better either. I know how to say "no" and direct the situation. Hot girls won't even give me the chance to do that... or even average girls.

[MrOracle]

Obviously, I know nothing about you - I've never met you and have never seen you interact with girls. My response was based on the limited info you provided, and what I commonly see with guys who struggle with girls. It's possible that your issue is something else, sure.

Start asking GIRLS to tell you why they wouldn't be interested in dating you. Ask them to be brutally honest with you, and then SHUT UP and LISTEN to what they say. Don't get defensive or argue in any way, just say "thanks for letting me know."

Ask as many girls as you can, and see if there is any consistency in their answers. Anything that's coming up frequently can be considered a legit issue for you FROM WOMEN'S PERSPECTIVE, even if you and other guys totally disagree. Remember: what YOU think, and what other guys think, is completely irrelevant, because it is GIRLS who are sizing you up as a potential partner - the only thing that matters is how THEY perceive you.

[breman]

I've ALWAYS asked girls why they aren't interested. Do you think they even respond?

[breman]

Look, I know you would like to think women are just wonderful, but they are not, truth be told. They're shallow, inconsiderate, selfish whores. They've proven this to me too many times. I tried to be a great guy to them, but they just won't like it. They like the guys who dog them out though. So I figured, hey, what the heck, I'll just give them what they're used to. So once I'm a doc, I'll get 'em, fuck 'em, and leave 'em!

[rocksongwriter]

“Why is it that the attractive girls are never available…”

Because they’re in high demand and in limited supply.

“…[they] don't respond on dating sites…”

Because there are 5,000 messages in their inbox. Give them time.

"…or are lesbian?”

If the women on dating sites are lesbians, you are in the wrong section of the dating site and need to adjust your search criteria to “women seeking men”

“They seem to always turn down the good guy who treats her right…”

Define “treating her right”. Is it being clingy and calling/texting her all the time like a crazy, obsessed person? Letting her run the relationship and doing whatever she says and being a doormat? What do you mean by “treating her right”?

“... once I start making good money, I will start getting the girls I want finally…”

Guys give gals a lot of trouble over this one, claiming they’re gold diggers and whatnot. I think the key here is to view things from her perspective. Suppose you’re a woman. Now, you realize you’ll probably end up married someday and you’ll have children and you’ll be responsible for providing them with food, clothing, and shelter for at least the first 18 years of their life. Knowing this early on, do you want to have children with somebody who is broke and unmotivated, or do you want to have children with somebody who has wealth and is ambitious? Your choice. If I was the woman, I’m picking the person with wealth 100% of the time.

“So wouldn't it make sense to just cut straight to it and just hire a prostitute instead of paying money AND having to say the right things at the right time, having to look your absolute best, having to be patient and all this other crap?”

Are you talking about hiring a prostitute full time? That sounds expensive.

[breman]

No, treating her right means being a gentleman, being there for her, NOT clingy... look I know you're thinking that I'm the normal "nice guy" with no spine and all that shit. Well I'm not. I have spine, I'm respectful, well mannered, I sound interested, I'm open minded, give the benefit of the doubt, honest, hard working, AM CURRENTLY IN MED SCHOOL, stay in decent shape, ... THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH ME! Oh I may be a little boring; hard not to be when she's not trying to engage in covo or spark any of her own and always is too busy to meet up to go do something.

[breman]

And I never said that these lesbian chicks are on the dating sites. You misunderstood. I'm talking about out in public as well there boss. But all that you think is my idea of treating her right is ABSOLUTELY FALSE for me. No, I'm a real man to her; I put her in her place when she cuts out of line, I stand up for myself, as I said I have spine, I make decisions... most of them, etc. I get that females want someone who can provide, but then again I though women and men were equal? Hmmm... maybe everyone just lies about that. If she already has a good job and all, then why is she all in my damn pockets then? I'm a student! I live off of borrowed funds FOR RIGHT NOW! There are girls out there who do the same thing, yet they're still too good for me. AND THEY HAVE NO CHILDREN! Prostitute full time? NO! Dude, who does that? But of course I will be if I marry a chick when times are convenient for her, i. e., once I'm a doc.

[breman]

So I mean, since I'm a student right now, does that mean I have to be celibate until I'm a doctor? Oh yeah, that'll be convenient for THEM at least, but then what about my needs while in school? Am I not still human while in school? Or do I even fucking matter at all? She's NOT the only one who'll be in the relationship. The world does not revolve around women's asses ya know? (though we seem to be on our way towards that). I will be able to afford a comfortable living for myself and my future family, but I'd just LOVE to have a woman NOW who will be with me through the rough times while I'm a student as well as through my easy times. That's called unconditional love. Would you marry a woman who only dished out CONDITIONAL love? If you would, then you're fucking mindless and heartless and you don't love yourself or your future kids.

[breman]

So it's not like I'm a loser or anything, I'm just getting there still. Why can't "women" appreciate that? Only a real woman would. So please, advise females around you to NOT kick good men when they're still struggling to come up. Advise them to stick by that man through thick and thin, better or for worst, rich or for poor, sick or through health, instead of shitting on those vows to get to what she wants: the money! Best long lasting relationships spring from couples who were there for each other NO MATTER WHAT bro!

[rocksongwriter]

Wow, you're extremely intense! Instead of giving me a three or four line response, you gave me a 556 word rant. I've found the problem!

Another sign of your intensity is when you talk of unconditional love. I mean, the goal is to just go out and have fun with women and see where it goes, and then maybe you'll hit the unconditional love stage waaaaay into the relationship. At that point you'll probably already be engaged/married to her.

"but I'd just LOVE to have a woman NOW who will be with me through the rough times while I'm a student as well as through my easy times. That's called unconditional love."

See what I mean?

No woman who barely knows you is going to give you unconditional love "now".

Well, I take that back. There are women mentally unstable enough who would latch onto you and say they love you unconditionally, but these same women will stab you in your sleep after they have a dream about you talking to another woman.

[breman]

Dude, you can't be engaged/married w/o first have the unconditional love. What I meant was if she's only there for me when times are convenient, then that's a big ass red flag that she's probably gonna jump ship on me when times get rough in the future. I don't want that kind of female.

[breman]

I'm expecting the woman to be there for me although I'm still a student. I would for her. What, does that just mean I'm a better person? Love means having respect and being open and honest. It also means that she can still leave me IF she has a good reason. If she doesn't, then there's no love their. I only ask of them what I'd do for them myself. You should be that way towards EVERYONE. What would a female look like if she just comes out open and honest with it and told me "I don't want you now b/c, although you can pay for dates and buy me simple gifts sometimes, you can't buy me a Benz or pay my rent. Although I'm an independent woman, I still expect you to do that for me. But since you can't now, fuck you, and hit me up when you're balling one day." THAT'S what the truth is for a lot of these girls.

[FreyaDiermayr]

I wish I could choose the mho because this would be it

[rocksongwriter]

Thanks, Freya!

[loveisbeautiful]

Instead of the usual rambling I'm gonna try and get straight to the point.
As of tomorrow I'll have been on here 3yrs and in those years I have seen
plenty of people ask questions such as yours and be very heated in the way they ask
the question. Which leaves the people on here (for what ever reason) thinking
this person is horrible human being, when really they're probably just really
ticked and wanted to vented. Are some of the words you used to describle women
offensive, sure. Does that make you a bad a guy and reason you can't get
a date, no. Truth is, we know no nothing about you and we don't get to make
character judgements about you because of one question you asked out of
frastration. So, try to ignore the people on hear yelling at you. Because they
do that to everybody.

Now, to answer your question. I don't know if you've ever seen Steve Harvey's talk show,
but I have. And, in the three years it's been on. He's had guest who do the EXACT
same thing men on here complain woman do. He's had women who lists that
went from the ceiling to the floor of what they want in a man and looks, a nice car, money,
etc etc. Is always at the top of the list and things like someone respectable, caring, loving,
etc etc are at the bottom of the list. So, all the things men come on here and say women
do. They actually do. So, though we could all use a little self improvement. Just because
those girls aren't interested, doesn't mean it's your fault or even there fault (depending
on the situation). It just means you weren't compatible and it's probably a good thing, things
didn't work out. I know it can be a daunting when you try and try, but nothing works out.
But, you can't give up because eventually it will work out and you'll be glad you didn't
throw in the towel.

[loveisbeautiful]

As far as the protitution thing goes. I would never recommend for someone
to hire one, just because though they may show you a "good time', there's a lot of
risk in having that "good time". Also, when men go to them they're guys who
REALLY just want to get laid and move on. If you're a guy who REALLY wants
a relationship but things haven't been working out, so you figured you'll just
settle for sex. Don't do it, because you most likely won't be very happy with that
especially if you want a deep meaningful relationship, sex will just be a poor
substitution for that. I know the whole relationship thing can be painful and
fratrating and make you just want settle for less then you really want and need. But, as I
said above. You can't give up because one day you'll find a good woman who
likes you for you and gives you a chance but if you give up, you'll never find that
girl. So, give don't up. It will work out, you just have to believe. Good luck : )

[breman]

You, my lady, have one of the most mature, intelligent, real, human responses on here! I love it! THAAAAANNKK YOOUU for being someone who FINALLY gets most of what I'm talking about here!

[loveisbeautiful]

You're very welcome : ) And, thank you for what you said about me.
Most people on here call me names and tell me I'm stupid. So, I
appreciate what you said. Thanks : )

[breman]

Wow, people do you like that too? Maybe this site is for assholes only or something, ya think? lol But settling for sex is something I wanna do for now b/c it will make me feel a bit better since I've been on such a long dry spell and I just want to know what it's like to have sex with someone I really want... physically that is. Meanwhile, I'm not gonna give up looking for a good woman. Maybe I just need to try overseas one day or something! lol

[loveisbeautiful]

Yes, they do. But, it's not just here. I'm shy and quiet and kinda of a loner,
people don't like that. I was bullied for 3yrs because I'm shy. On here, people
just don't get me. I;m different then most and definitely different then most
people my age, they don't like that either. So, though it hurts to be called names
and have people make snap judgements about me, it's nothing I'm not use to. And,
this site is filled with judgmental jerks. But, I think that's just the state of the
world lol. Everybodies out themselves these days, this site isn't any different.

As for the casual sex thing. If that's what you think is best for you, for the time
being. Then go for it. Just, A) makesure it's what you really want and B) that
you're careful. You know what's best for you and your life now, so do what's
right for you. Good luck : )

[breman]

Ah, well, thanks again! Once again, you're spot on. Hey by the way, is that you in that picture? Whoever she is, she's quite pretty.

[loveisbeautiful]

You're welcome and yes, that's me in the picture. Thank you, that's nice of you
to say : )

[SquantoGuy]

Hey, I had to make another acct, but just to let you know I would've so awarded this Most Helpful!

[loveisbeautiful]

Thanks, that's makes me happy to know. Glad I could help you in some way.
If you ever need any more advice, just ask. I'd be happy to help.

[pr3ttybr0wn]

why is it that guys who can't get hot girls are always talking about what such good men they are and better than any other guy. I would think if you were that amazing of a gentleman you wouldn't be so shallow and only going after girls outside of your league. I would also think that you wouldn't consider a prostitute as a reasonable substitute for dating these women... but oh wait - all you want to do is fuck these hot girls. you don't really care about having a deep emotional loving mutual connection with a woman. you just wanna get laid by the top notch hot babes.

so how exactly are you different than the other guys you judge as douches and bad boys? your no different than those guys on the inside, you just aren't desirable enough for these girls to want to fuck you the way you want to fuck them. so get off your high horse and stop judging when you are in no place to. if the only girls who want you are the fat ones that no one else wants look in the mirror because you must be on their level. think about it, the only difference between you who couldn't get laid by a bad bitch unless he paid for it and the douchebags who fuck hot popular girls on a regular basis is looks. because you sound just as douchey as these guys you judge. your just not as good looking as them so you can't attract the bitches they attract.

your solution: pay for a prostitute or look your absolute best and get some game. if you are not alpha to do the latter, make sure you leave the money on the nightstand :)

[breman]

Outside of my league? Excuse me? NO ONE is outside of my league. And I know I'm a good man, I'm not being pretentious, just demonstrating the confidence that sooooo many females claim I didn't have, NEVER did I say I'm better than others, and I'm NOT shallow. I've tried fat girls, and I never could get "ready" with them. So why would I go after them again? I'm only asking for one of 60-70% of all girls out there, sorry for being so picky!! Then if I take just any damn girl, oh I'm desperate! Why can't people just admit that I'm a guy with standards that can easily be met by most?

[breman]

You apparently didn't read my passage very well: The reason why I only wanna get laid by the at least average girls NOW is because I tried to establish a loving, mutual connection with them in the past (and continue to do so), but THEY don't want that with ME. So yeah, stop getting everything twisted. NO one's on a high horse here. I think I remember you going off on me before without reading my passage very carefully. I am NOT fat myself; I'm 18% body fat, 5'10", which is normal for a guy. So back the hell up off me there! Game? Hell all game is act and good talk. Talk is cheap. But you proved something, and thank you for pointing this out: so-called "women" are stupid and shallow enough to fall for talk and shallow ass acts and would rather have that than have a good, loving, caring, loyal gentleman by their sides. Finally, I believe we could both agree that the fat girls only go after me because I'm a last resort since they can't have what they really want.

[breman]

Therefore, why would I be with someone like that? I'm sure if the fat girl was in a hot bitch's body, she wouldn't give me a chance either. These hot bitches claim they want good men, but they run after someone with damn money and a good time, and once I become a doctor I'll be that someone with money and a good time. She will not have been there for me when times were rough, so why would I love her and she won't and never did love me? That'd be stupid wouldn't it? But I will still want her body, if she hasn't gotten fat by then, so I'll just bang her as well as her younger cousins and sisters! :) So no darling, I'm NOT as douchey as those guys whom I don't judge but know are assholes; I just... well... make sense!! ;)

[AlexCab]

Man, she gave you a tough answer but I'd say pretty pretty real. I wouldn't go as far as to pay for sex, I'm sure you can get whatever you want if you put your mind to it, but to be honest I believe the world is filled with beautiful women. "Top notch" is just another way of distinguishing and at some point, discriminating them. Not good bro. They are all beautiful even if you wouldn't date some. Try to be cool about reality for a change.

[breman]

She gave me a tough answer? She's a damn troll!! Cool about reality? I was and still am! Who said I wasn't? I'm just stating facts here. I've put my mind to it. I'm telling you man, I've done nothing wrong! I know the truth hurts, but we gotta admit here, GIRLS AIN'T SHIT! At least the American ones aren't... generally speaking.

[breman]

And what is this "top notch" deal you're talking about?

[Gemstone2411]

Butthurt.

[SquantoGuy]

Can't counter argue cause he's right! :)

[Izzex3]

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

[ElHenaut]

Amen, this dude's whole attitude and grasp on reality is wrong.

[TheFullestThrottle]

@ElHenaut how so?

[TheFullestThrottle]

@Gemstone2411 regardless what he said was true shit. He being butthurt, if that is in fact what he is, does not change the truth. So get over it rather than trying to use shame tactics

[LavenderBlue2721]

First of all, you don't want the girl who want you for the money and the looks. Because they'll just leave you once you run out of money and/or start to age and lose your looks. Also girls like that are judgmental hypocrites. They'll say stuff like, "Oh there's no good guys in the world left" after they broke up with they're jerk boyfriend and before that a sweet guy comes along and they ignore them. Or "I'd totally date a nice guy if I ever met one". But when they do, they'll date them for a while before getting back into the old routine of dating jerks. Anyway, you don't want that type of girl. They're the kind who probably hang out on dating sites and clubs. Don't try so hard. Some day you might be at work or at the coffee shop and see a pretty girl. Be brave, strike up a conversation with her. Take a pottery class, join a gym, or volunteer at a soup kitchen or animal shelter. You'll find a nice and pretty girl there. Or have a friend set you up with maybe they're sweet cousin or something. There's plenty of pretty girls out there looking for a nice guy. You're just looking in the wrong places. Anyway, I hope this helped you. And good luck! :)

[breman]

I'd only get with the girl who wants me for money because I'd just wanna bone her. I know not to get deeply involved with anyone like that. I don't try that hard, but I do try. I strike up conversations with many of them but they seem to not want to carry on convo with me. They'll be yes/no responsive and that's it. No elaboration, which means they're not interested, but just being nice. People say I'm looking in the wrong places all the time, but what place is the right place when I've looked all over already? College, med school, work... no luck! And if there are plenty looking for a nice guy, then why have I yet to run into one? But thanks for your input anyway.

[Betwyn]

1: That is nearly impossible to read. Paragraphs are your friend. Organisation is sexy.
2: Just because you find someone attractive, does not mean they find you attractive. The converse is also true.
3: Maybe they are just too nice to tell you that you are boring or creepy to them?
4: Just because someone isn't a douche, does not mean they are a good guy.
5: Sometimes, we need a string of asshole douches first, to appreciate a good guy
6: You have something against fat girls? Ever think they feel about you, like you do about the hot girls?
7: You don't have to play the game, you're right, you can just buy the prize instead of earning it.
8: Please, don't ever raise kids.

[WhoTheHellKnows]

Lmao!

[zombiebabe]

100%agree

[Prof_Don]

#4 is an absolutely epic statement! :)

[breman]

Everyone who agrees with this is a stupid asshole too. Who said I wasn't a good guy who earned a great girl? I am that good guy who has always been done like shit by females in general. How the FUCK am I in the wrong? Yeah, going out with cheaters, players, and douches who will leave you knocked up and single parent are SOOOOO much better!!

[Betwyn]

1: That is your opinion.
2: Well, you actually said you haven't earned the girl. otherwise, you'd have her and wouldn't be here crying.
3: If a guy, is really and truly a "good guy" all around.. he will find someone.
4: How are you in the wrong? I'm guessing you are either blind to, or in denial of, your faults.
5: I've gone out with douches, assholes, nice guys, decents guys, bastards, jerks, even a White Knight or two.. and you know what?

Not a single one of them has left me pregnant and a single mother.
Not a single one of them, has stuck forever.

Until you can look at yourself, and be brutally honest about what the problem is, no one can really help you.

Maybe you have an unfortunately placed mole or birthmark.
Maybe you have chronic bad breath.
Maybe it's genetically bad teeth.
Maybe you are a pushover.
Maybe you are creepy
Maybe it is one of a thousand other things.

[Betwyn]

But WE don't know you.
WE can only conjecture

Based on WHAT you tell us. and HOW you tell us.

[breman]

It's VERY easy to read. You're the first to complain about this mind you. Why did you even bring up number 2? Being too nice = being unthoughtful and not wanting to help someone out. Depends on what you define as douche and good guy. Number 5 is just fucking hilarious! Yeah, you need to give your first, best, and all to the asshole douches first so that you can give the sloppy seconds to the guys who will make you a great husband and wonderful father to your children. VERY thoughtful and unselfish. I'm not fat, and I've at least given fat girls a shot. Can't say the same for AVERAGE/hot (not just hot) girls. Again, what's wrong with me? I haven't found anything, and no one has told me anything (except for you mindless pricks on here who don't even know me). I've earned the prize, but it wasn't given to me, and again, stop being judgmental bitches without getting to know me, b/c ANYONE in my life will tell you that I'm GREAT with kids.

[breman]

@ Betwyn When tha hell did I say I didn't earn a great girl? In my situation, it's like a hard working guy who gets almost not didly shit for his hard work, and then he sees some lazy douche doing nothing with himself who gets to live off of the hard worker's hard earned tax dollars, getting welfare and foodstamps. Doesn't seem fair does it? You're trying to make this out to be MY fault when it is anything BUT that! I'm a good guy, and I don't deserve to be left alone and high and dry. But I am. And all you all wanna do is humiliate me even more. Sooooo thoughtful and helpful of you I ever so sarcastically say

[breman]

@ Betwyn You should know good and damn well that women don't always give good men what they deserve. As far as your number 3, yeah he'll find someone alright, AFTER SHE'S BEEN USED UP!! Again, we don't deserve that! Blind to my faults? What faults? Please tell me what they are cause I sure as hell don't see them! Only fault I can see is that I may be a little boring at times, but is that really worth ditching a good guy for? Is getting with a cheating, lying bastard really worth the little bit of short lived good time you'll have with him? Is being knocked up by that guy and left single parent really worth that little thrill of the chase after a guy who doesn't seem to give a fuck about you? I AM brutally honest about everything! You swear you got me figured out and you absolutely do not! I'm not just telling you the side of the story I want you to hear. I'm telling you EVERYTHING!!

[breman]

Finally, NONE of those things that you've listed are problems with me. Girls never say there's a problem with me, even when I ask them. I'll try to find out what the problem is, and they won't even fucking respond! And if they do, you know what they'll say? "Oh, it's not you, it's me", "oh, you're such a great guy, and I don't wanna ruin our friendship", or "oh, you're such a great guy and you'll make someone a wonderful husband, but you're just not my type; it's not you, it's me". NOW does it sound like I'm the problem or that I'm a douche?

[jenn33]

totally agree with #5

[Betwyn]

1: Just because I'm the first to complain, does not mean I'm the only one.
2: Being too nice = not wanting to tell you hard truths, hurt your feelings
3: Not every guys is a douche or good guy, it isn't an either/or thing.
4: first, best and all? Who says you won't be the best? or maybe the guy after you?
5: What is wrong with you? Like I said, we don't know you. All we can do is go off how you are portraying yourself here and with generalizations and possibilities.
6: If you'd earned the prize, you'd have gotten the prize. No prize means you've fallen short somewhere. Maybe you've come close. Maybe you have no idea what to do different. Maybe you are chasing the wrong prizes.
7: Calling us "judgmental bitches" speaks volumes about your character.
8: Being good with kids, doesn't mean you are a good guy to date. Some guys, are good with kids, because they are basically a kid still themselves.

[Betwyn]

9: Not everyone on welfare is a scammer. Not everyone who works hard, is worth promoting.
10: I understand you think you are a good guy. and hey, you might be 80% right. But here is the thing. With you and all these girls, what is the common thread? You. I don't know whether it is something physical, mental, behavioural about you, but something is getting in the way of your success. At some point, you NEED to look hard in the mirror.
11: No one deserves to be alone. Conversely, no one deserves to be with someone. It isn't a right. and, "Fault" is maybe to strong and negative of a word here.
12: I'm not trying to humiliate you. I am trying to help you. You need to really look inside yourself. See what is there. What is good. what is bad. and what you can change.
13: No one "deserves" anything. If there is no chemistry, it doesn't matter how good of a guy you are. If you have a fatal flaw you are blind to, it doesn't matter how good you think you are.

[Betwyn]

14: There is no such thing as "used up" we don't have expiry dates. We don't have limited uses. We are people. We learn and grow throughout our lives. I am not the same girl I was in high school, even if some of my behaviours seemingly look the same.
15: I can't tell you what faults they see in you. I only know you here, in this thread. Here, you are hurting, and well, lashing out. If this is just a slightly amped up version of RL you, well, then, maybe women can tell this about you, how you feel about women. How you think they owe you. If this is really just pain talking, and frustration, that you are not the women hater you 'sometimes' seem to be here, then it is something else. It might be one fatal flaw. It might be a myriad of small flaws, that combined, are a dealbreaker.
16: All the women you like have dated player/cheaters that have left them single and pregnant? really?

[J-junk]

Tell it sister!

[Betwyn]

17: The women won't tell you what is wrong. Some, say it's not you, it's me. Some, don't respond at all. ok...

"It's not you, it's me" is sometimes, true. and sometimes, its a soft let down. Even if we say it's a 50/50 split.. have the girls are saying that it IS you. More to the point, you ask what the problem is, and a girl NEVER responds.. the problem is you.. (or she died before she could respond)

It might be something like hygiene and they feel awkward telling you that you need to brush your teeth or shower more. and something like that, is really fixable.
It might be how you look, who you are, or how you carry yourself. Those are harder to fix. Those are still awkward to talk to guys about. Especially if you will still be in their life afterwards. It is easier to tell a hard truth to someone you won't see again. and some people, can never tell the HARD TRUTH.
18: Type could be true, but it can also speak to #17

[Betwyn]

#19: ""oh, you're such a great guy and you'll make someone a wonderful husband"

This could be a soft let down, or, it could be a real kernal of truth here. You might be looking for something different then the girls you are chasing. Or, you might be looking to go more serious to quick. You might be in "settle down, have a family" mode, while they are still in "have fun mode"

The last guy that kicked me to the curb, wanted kids. I don't, and don't think I ever will. We were a great fit otherwise. But this caused him to end it.

[breman]

@J-Junk OMG! This pro feminism bs! Cut it out already!!!

[breman]

@Betwyn My passage CAN'T be that hard to read. But I'm done commenting on that. A lot of guys ARE straight douches or straight good/nice. I was referring to her giving HER first, best, and all! In other words, she gives more of her attention and she is more excited/happy with those jack asses that she's with now than she will be with me in the future when she comes looking for me after she's tired of the jack asses' shit. And what you defined as being too nice: EXACTLY as I said! Being unthoughtful and not giving a shit about helping me out. Structural criticism is key to success.

[breman]

And I get no answers other than I’m doing the right thing and I’m just fine and they will flock my way when I’m a doctor. Now I don’t know if ALL of these people are just being nice, but I agree with them. As I said (to you or someone else), maybe I’m a little boring at times, but I believe that’s a much, much more minor problem that what girls will be putting up with when they deal with the douches. For 11: Why would she deny me something that I want that she could give me if she knows I’d be worth it and there’s no good reason not to give it to me? I wouldn’t do anyone like that. Then again, maybe I’m just a better person. You WERE humiliating the shit out of me! You think your audience is going to listen to you if you talk to them like shit? Just like paragraphs are MY friend, TACT is YOUR friend. And I’m still trying to get a good answer as to what’s so damn wrong with me. I’ve explained myself already, so where’s the problem?

[breman]

If I had a “fatal” flaw, I’m sure it would have surfaced by now. It’s funny how girls seem to have chemistry with the low life dirt bags who are fun and exciting yet who will do her like shit soon or later b/c he only wanted her as another notch in his bed, isn’t it? By used up I mean she’s emotionally damaged, got somebody else’s kids (perhaps, there’s a big chance), and in my mind, the bad boys’ she fucked before minds, and her mind, she was with them and they had her first. I’m the last to have her. That’s what I mean by used up. When I come at a girl and try to holler at her, she doesn’t know any of this that I’m saying to you all now! And I forget all about this and give her the benefit of the doubt because she’s a new woman and it’s a new fucking day! But boy doesn’t it backfire on my optimistic ass! Again, whatever other flaws I may have I’d LOVE to know, but I can’t if everyone’s too damn busy being “nice”.

[breman]

It’s not nice to withdraw vital info from someone that you’d like to “help out". For #16, no, not every one of them got knocked up, but some more will, trust. Not all have gotten played…yet. Your number 17’s a joke! She didn’t respond b/c she knows the real reason why she won’t be with me is shallow as shit and she doesn’t want to admit it and/or she doesn’t want to be confronted. A confident, righteous person should WELCOME confrontation, not hide from it. It DAMN sure ain’t hygiene. Those who can’t tell the hard truth are WEAK! I myself don’t mind telling anyone the hard truth. One more time, tact is key here. A lot of people love sympathizing with women about being weak about telling the truth. This is not a good idea; you should encourage them to do otherwise. FINALLY, (I’m tired as shit) “soft let downs” is a sweet, convenient disguise for a filthy ass LIE. And if it isn’t a lie that I’ll make a great husband and all, then why the hell would she pass that up?

[breman]

Apparently good men aren't so hard to find after all huh? And for the record, married couples can still have fun ya know. Just not the filthy, low life go- fuck- any- and- every –kind- of- guy- you- can- before- you’re -married fun that those who are still in “have fun mode” want.

[Betwyn]

You know what..

You are either wearing blinders, or trolling.

Either way, I'm done.

[breman]

Looks like I'm right huh? Nothing else you can say cause I successfully counter argued everything you had to say. However, you could work on your admit to me having a good solid point and not try to insult me YET AGAIN on the way out! Oh, and by the way, for tips on how to respond to people with a bit more tact and consideration, refer to loveisbeautiful's response up toward the top.

[CuddlesWillDie]

Dude you sound just like me, even the same age lol. Well i think the reason why girls like a guy who makes money is because usually thats a good sign that he's a man and not a boy (Most jobs require us to be mature acting) Seems that looks alone don't cut it. Girls like "douchebags" temporarily because they give off the impression that they can take charge and make decisions but I see girls breaking up with them all the time when they get sick of their arrogance. In this order this is what women prefer:

#1 Well-balanced gentleman who's a nice guy but strong, not afraid and takes full control over what happens in his life
#2 The cool guy who's mean to those he doesn't care about but who's exciting to be around and upfront about his intentions
#3 The whiny frustrated loser who allows bad things to happen to him and has no control over the events in his life or even his own emotions when things don't go his way

So it's important to be comfortable with who you are (And the ideal you, not the lazy you) because women want a guy who makes decisions, protects them, provides for them and who is courteous to both her and other people too (Good signs of him capable of raising a family)

[Alice_Infinity]

I like this answer a lot :)

[breman]

Well I suppose I'm just a "boy" because I'm in med school. Yeah, not very mature of me at all. I don't agree with your number one. If that were the case, I wouldn't be ranting now. I'm upfront about my intentions, and it's hard to show how fun I am when she won't even have time to go out with me in the first place. And I don't blindly follow society; I'm a free thinker, and I'm a leader. I think about everything I'm gonna do next; I don't just do what the "cool, popular hip hop artist" or wtf ever is doing. Funny how these guys who do this though get more girls than I. And I'm EVERYTHING in that last paragraph you wrote. People on here assume that I'm not b/c no one on here knows me. They are just basing their judgment about me on the rant that I've provided.

[breman]

BTW, it's not that I can't provide for myself or that she can't for herself, she has no family to take care of, neither do I, and I can afford the dates, soooo... why would my finances be a problem here?

[CuddlesWillDie]

Well it does sound like you're very frustrated man, sounds like you've tried a lot of things to win a girl and they haven't worked and you're thinking "WTF why don't I have one, why do these ugly guys have one instead of me?" (Fair point mind you) Problem is, women do not like an emotional in-balanced guy, at all, I was once one myself and my ex detested me, since I started getting along with more family members I began to feel less angry and happier so my root cause to frustration was the fact I felt my family were against me. Well if you're anything like me, and have tried to change yourself or your circumstances to hopefully reap benefits, you're actually better off fixing up things you've done in the past and making it up to people you've wronged, karma tends to smile at those who do, plus it does give you an emotional boost knowing you made someone else happier, it takes practice man, but you'll get there

[Alice_Infinity]

I agree with CuddlesWillDie, from your questions and your answers you just sound really emotionally imbalanced. From the personality you're portraying here, I wouldn't date you if you were a billionaire..

[SquantoGuy]

@ CuddlesWillDie Again, you all are missing a VERY important point: I'M NOT RAGING AT THE GIRLS THAT I TRY TO DATE LIKE I DO ON HERE!! So these girls don't even know that I'm mad. Heck I really never have been until now! I mad at girls turning me down for no good reason. I give girls a reason as to why I turn them down; I only ask the same in return. Sooooo sorry if this is too much to ask!

[SquantoGuy]

@CuddlesWillDie Again, you all are missing a VERY important point: I'M NOT RAGING AT THE GIRLS THAT I TRY TO DATE LIKE I DO ON HERE!! So these girls don't even know that I'm mad. Heck I really never have been until now! I mad at girls turning me down for no good reason. I give girls a reason as to why I turn them down; I only ask the same in return. Sooooo sorry if this is too much to ask!

[SquantoGuy]

I never thought "... why do these ugly guys have one instead of me?". Again, I AM NOT a generally frustrated individual or anything. I'm just like that here because of how everyone's responding to me.

[SquantoGuy]

@Alice_Infinity Read what I told CuddlesWillDie

[SquantoGuy]

maybe I do bring that bitchery out in them, but it's just b/c of something so small like me being a little boring. Oh and dig this, this girl I was talking to recently said that "you texting me at 6am was off putting". That's why she stopped talking to me for a couple days. Ain't that some shit? This is why they don't like a good guy. BUT, hold account, they will put up with a lying, cheating, abusive fuck face who will not even look after his own kids he had by her all b/c he's not boring. Now I'm not boring all the time, just sometimes. That's a small ass flaw that could be easily corrected if she just simply spent more time with me. And we all have flaws right? So if you have to put up with some kind of flaw, then why not put up with small ones instead of big ones, right? But I guess in the illogical female world, worse flaws are better.

[Alice_Infinity]

@SquantoGuy you need to not take rejection so personally. Remember, it's not necessarily about you, there could just be another guy in the picture that they decide to pursue instead. Stay positive, keep looking, I'm sure you'll find someone, I believe in you :)

[been_waiting]

Girls don't go for guys BECAUSE they're cheaters and liars and abusers.
I've said it a thousand times on here. You don't know someone is a cheater, liar, or abuser right off the bat. If you think it's that astonishingly evident, then you must have the mentality of a small child, because people are not so black and white. It isn't JUST obviously COMPLETELY GOOD guys and obviously COMPLETELY BAD guys. These guys that girls are dating that end up treating them wrong... will appear to be good guys initially, will treat her nicely, entice her... and end up being douchebags. Girls DO NOT like being treated like crap. I'm so freaking sick and tired of hearing that girls want to be cheated on, lied to, and physically abused. NO girl wants that, except some who are very mentally ill and have some sort of desire to be degraded (and that's a very small percentage of women AND men.)

And JUST because you are not a cheater, liar, or abuser, doesn't mean you're dateable. It takes more to like someone than the absence of bad traits. The absence of bad traits does not imply the presence of good ones.

[been_waiting]

as for someone being rude for not giving you a chance... YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO A FREAKING CHANCE!!! !!! I'm sorry but I'm tired of hearing that girls owe guys a chance. No one owes you a chance, no one owes you their time or love or affection or sex... no one.
And I don't have to "Give a guy a chance" to decide whether or not I like him. If I don't like you, no chance.

[been_waiting]

And based on how you worded your question, you're not the nicest guy yourself.

[cphiecekslee]

I can understand why a lot of women on here could find this offensive in some way, but as a female with a lot of genuinely great guy friends who have been through the ringer with women, I have to say I can understand your frustration and need to vent. Here's the thing you have to understand - a lot of people are shitty. Of course, its all a matter of personal perspective, but chances are that the more intelligent you are and genuine you are, you're not going to like a lot of people. Its fucked up but true - a lot of people in this day and age are obsessed with being cool, in whatever form it may take. People strive to live like celebrities more than ever, and our current celebrities are for the most part terrible idols for anyone. Many people have naive, immature mindsets for longer nowadays, I've noticed. We reward beauty so highly in this age that we are teaching beautiful people that they don't need a personality or smarts - they can get everything with their looks.

That being said, the chances of finding a pretty girl who is also nice are probably going to be slim - anyone who has had everything handed to them will never know the hardship of earning something or having to endure suffering, and thus will never be able to truly empathize with others. That's not to say that all pretty girls aren't kind - its just a lot more rare. If that physical attraction is so important to you, I recommend looking for girls who are pretty but have also been through some shit and come out okay. I know, easier said than done, but that's the best base for your needs, I think. I was homeless the first four years of my life and bullied for glasses and braces/general nerdiness in middle school, but once I hit high school and college I developed into a beautiful young woman and ended up modeling for a while. However, since I had already experienced cruelty at the hands of others and had already learned the value of learning, I never was cruel to anyone else and never had a higher

[cphiecekslee]

Commitment to anything outside of education and loyalty to my friends.

To give you another viewpoint, though, I want to add that in high school and college, I ended up dating some terrible guys. I knew they were terrible, but I felt so bad wanting to leave them once I realized it (they all "loved" me or so I thought back then, though I can see now they had no idea what love truly was) that I had a very hard time breaking up with them because I was afraid it would ruin them psychologically. I thought maybe I could help them, but I learned the hard way not to get with or stay with broken people. The point is, everyone makes mistakes (even the smartest of us) because there is no guidebook when it comes to relationships. Almost everyone has some idea that a relationship is supposed to be like it is in the movies, which is just so far from the truth. So we fuck up, all of us, for some amount of time. Some of those girls might still be in the learning stage, but a lot of them are

[breman]

Wow, another wonderfully written, mature response! Thank you for that! These types of responses are rare on here. It's sad when you have girls (I can't call them women) in their 30's having the absolute shittiest responses ever known due to ignorance and deliberately trolling but yet there are a few of you WOMEN who are b/w 18 and 24 or even under 18 who respond so much more maturely and with so much more intelligence!

[breman]

And yes, finding girls who are pretty but have also been through some shit and come out okay hardly exist. I mean I've been with some fairly attractive girls, VERY few and VERY far in b/w, but they were damaged. They had horror stories to tell, one of them cut herself on a regular (plus she was a dark skinned black girl which is another reason why a lot of guys didn't go for her, I'm sure) and had issues with her breasts sagging, one had jacked up teeth and bad breath and her baby died from SIDS and she was broke, another had bad ass allergies to everything known and broke out a lot and ended up testing my man hood to see if I would put her in her place for her cutting out of line (that's how we broke up; I failed), and the other one was pretty much just a bipolar whore. All of them were broke and... well... to me it seems that ALL girls are bipolar, but they sure as hell seemed like it.

[breman]

now don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with the girl having allergies or that girl who's baby died of SIDS, or with any of them being broke, or with the dark skinned girl have somewhat saggy breasts, but I had problems with the other things. But most men in general, excluding me of course, would have problems with all of the above b/c to them it's just baggage, baggage, baggage.

[cphiecekslee]

Thank you :) yes it is rather sad, but honestly for me, my last "bad" relationship I threw my hands up in the air and said "fuck it!" and decided not to try for a guy anymore because I was honestly fed up with dealing with the bullshit. Best decision of my life - I was way happier alone and kind of learned how to have a blast with friends or by myself and I stopped trying to find a companion. Once I did that, the perfect man for me fell into my lap. I think that people make a mistake when they are in a mindset that they need to find a partner asap, and subconsciously let things that they actually aren't okay with slide because they want this next person to "be the one". I've noticed that people always glorify their partner for a while, and then when they really start to settle into the relationship all the things they didn't like originally start to become more and more of an issue as that initial excitement wears away. If you aren't looking or wanting another person though, it

[cphiecekslee]

Is way easier to find someone who is perfect for you, because you won't be subconsciously elevating the great things about them beyond reason or ignoring the bad things. The right person will become apparent to you much faster if you aren't actively looking for that person. Kind of weird and might sound illogical but I swear its true :)

[SquantoGuy]

Ya know, yes that is weird and illogical. But a few have told me this. Kinda hard for a great girl to fall in a GUY'S lap (lol) since guys usually go after the girls, but it hasn't happened for me yet. Maybe it will. Who knows. But it's VERY hard to keep my mind off of having someone special cause having a girlfriend is MUCH different from handing out with guys!! lol

[VanillaSalt]

as a rule the more passion you put into saying something the more passion is used to argue against you... i agree partially with what u say... women can be fickle... women naturally flock to a man with good looks and a good job... and as a man u should be able to take care of them... be responsible enough to have a job a vehicle a home.. care about yourself enough to take care of your body... so change to meet what they want... i think your biggest problem is that attitude... i can tell u dont handle criticism very well at all... u feel the need to argue against w/e u dont agree with... this won't help u get a woman dude...

as for guys being fickle... i dont like fat chicks myself... best case their sick and can't help it these women come with a lot of baggage because of their illness... worst case they dont care how they look and live unhealthy... if i got to know a fat chick and liked her i could work around looks but being attractive looking usually sparks the interest and pushes u to take the relationship beyond..

u lost the minute u mentioned a prostitute.. of course the women will mention that and bitch about it... ure sexualizing them...

learn the tricks instead of bitching... ull get further... here's a link to help

www.youtube.com/channel/UCFns-k9UgOhVRnKHdynzU2A

[GryffindorGirl]

Wow... I don't know, maybe you come across as desperate and the girls you've tried to be in a relationship went didn't like that?
And I mean, I could say the exact same thing, I could say "Why are guys so horrible?" and I would get a shiton of hate because I would be generalizing and hating on the majority of a large group of people. To be honest, don't be surprised when you get a lot of hate for this. Because really, just... wow.
Don't give the impression that you feel as though the girl in entitled to date you. She can date whoever the hell she wants. If you give the impression that you feel as though the girl is entitled to date, then you're actually gonna make them even LESS attracted to you. Some girls date dicks, so what? Then accept the fact that she doesn't like you in that way. Yeah, you are allowed to feel bad about it, but don't express that feeling in such a way that's gonna get you so much hate, because I'm pretty sure you know that the way you worded all this was gonna get you hate.
Most every guy in my high school were dicks, but does that make all guys, or the great majority of guys on the planet, dicks? No. Most every girl has decided to date an asshole over you. Does that mean all girls, or the great majority of girls on the planet, are horrible? No.
And just so you know, when you reply to this, I'm not gonna reply back, because I can tell that every attempt I try to get you to change your mind isn't gonna work, and that you'll just get angrier and angrier at me. So I must be a bitch, right?
Thank you for taking your time to read this, and please, be careful of your wording in the future.

[ironeddie]

Geez calm down. You're not looking at this subjectively. It's not that all women suck. Maybe the ones you want do. I don't know.

It could be that the woman see you as you are. A guy who lacks confidence. Is unwilling to take a look at what the common denominator in your situation is. You blame the women for your failings. Your perception of the world and your life sucks donkey balls. You're unwilling to make changes. You've created a superiority complex towards "fat girls" because of your failings. All you're doing is throwing a pity party. Which will add to your anger. Why? because no-one else is going to show up. You are a weak, angry human being. Is it any wonder you can't find a woman. Can't say I blame them.

Take a look at yourself. Before pointing fingers at others.

Or maybe all women suck. I don't know *rolls eyes*

[breman]

The ones I want, everyone else wants. And they SUCK!! The ones who don't suck are the fat ones, the ones no one including myself wants. Putting 2 and 2 together... I don't lack ANY confidence! I've looked at the common denominator, and I've discovered that it's DEFINITELY not me. If I were the problem, I think someone would've told me something about myself by now, but all I get is that I'm a handsome, good guy. Do girls not want that? Who tha hell said I was unwilling to make changes? Dude quit putting words in my mouth, and stop ASSuming so much!! Why are you just here to put me down? Go do something else with YOUR pathetic ass life!!

[breman]

You can't blame them? Do you even know what exactly goes on between me and these bitches?

[ironeddie]

You're right. Your two replies have made me see the light. There is no way you might be the problem. So sorry. My bad.

smh

[SquantoGuy]

@ironeddie Maybe I do bring that bitchery out in them, but it's just b/c of something so small like me being a little boring. Oh and dig this, this girl I was talking to recently said that "you texting me at 6am was off putting". That's why she stopped talking to me for a couple days. Ain't that some shit? This is why they don't like a good guy. BUT, hold account, they will put up with a lying, cheating, abusive fuck face who will not even look after his own kids he had by her all b/c he's not boring. Now I'm not boring all the time, just sometimes. That's a small ass flaw that could be easily corrected if she just simply spent more time with me. And we all have flaws right? So if you have to put up with some kind of flaw, then why not put up with small ones instead of big ones, right? But I guess in the illogical female world, worse flaws are better.

[Falling4UTC]

I am sort of a victim of this. I like the nice guys, but I dont feel an actual attraction to them. Some guys who I find attractive are really nice too. But right now I like this guy and he is popular and I don't know I have just fallen for the trap because I actually feel attraction. He doesn't feel the same though, and made an excuse about it (that he needs to concentrate on his sports and education and that he rarely talks to girls) I dont know, he isn't the worst guy, he is actually kind for the most part. I think girls these days want to be kept on their toes and they feel pressured popularity wise on who they date. Sorry I am at fault for this, I really really dont mean to, its just hard to control.
Now just asking politely however, why would younot date a larger girl? I may have misread that, but it seems as though you want a popular girl yourself. Am I inncorrect? Again not meanig to offend you, I just want to clear that question from my mind :)

[breman]

You know, for your age, you're actually one of the most civilized responders on here. Thank you for that. And thank you for admitting that about you. Not that I condone it because I'm a firm believer in self control. However, to your question about me not dating big girls: I don't date them b/c I used to date a few and it didn't work out due to a lack of physical attraction. So whenever she wanted to get intimate, I couldn't perform. So I wasted my and her time and I frustrated us both. See? I made a mistake doing that then b/c I tried to look passed looks and it failed when it came to sex. So I do in fact have a good heart. But it's just never a good idea to get romantically involved in someone to whom you're not physically attracted. Also, I'm not into popular girls. I'm like most guys; I like good looking girls. Good looking girls just so happen to be popular, so one could be mislead into thinking that I want the girl for her popularity instead.

[Falling4UTC]

Well thank you very much, I appreciate the feedback :) I just try to be truthful and look at the big picture. Thank you for the answer, that cleared up a lot for me. I comprehend what you mean, and I apologize ifI did sound offensive for that part, I just wanted to clear that from my mind. I understand where you are frustrated with girls. Some of us like to block the other persons side of the story out. We really do have to take chances and not to base everyhing off looks.
On the plus side, I did get over the popular guy finally after months and months of it. I just want to live out my purpose in life and just embrace oppurtunity. If a guy tells me he likes me and I am just willig to take a shot, than sure I will go for it. But for now I am just going to not pay attention to love. I hope your dilemma ends up with a solution soon.

[breman]

Why thanks. And you weren't offensive at all. Just a tid bit of advice though: never block love out. Love is ALWAYS good ;)

[Falling4UTC]

It is my pleasure :) And thank you for the advice. I guess I am not one to take chances, and maybe once I should and see how it turns out. Thank you so much :) :)

[SquantoGuy]

I had to get another acct, but I appreciate your answer much! Just to let you know, I would've awarded your answer Most Helpful as well, but I can't now since my acct got deleted.

[Falling4UTC]

Thank you so much :) It means a lot to me, but I am just glad I couldhelp :) Thanks to the people who gave me an upvote! :)

[SexxBunnyy]

First off, you're trying to get with a girl for the wrong reason if you just want a pretty girl to Jane sex with. Have you thought to yourself what's under the cover of the book you're trying to read? If you're trying to date a good looking girl, or even an average looking girl, just because they look good, you're just as well off playing Russia's Roulette. The really pretty ones can be highly conniving, and this is some girl talk that was passed to me by a good friend of mine. They use their good looks to get what they want from guys because they know that that's what the guys like. And they'll use those assets to get to the nice guys and take advantage of their kindness. ESPECIALLY if you think making more money will help you get a girl. They'll eat you up like a fruit and leave you reduced to an abandoned seed.

Secondly, regards to the girls who only date the popular jerks, more girl talk, it's because either:
- 1. They love attention and think that dating the "cool kids" will bump them up on the reputation scale, or
- 2. They try to change the bad guy into a good guy, because they think they can recreate him into somethIng she wants. Which if you think of it like that, she's not dating him because she loves him at all. If she loved him, she would let him be him and love him as he is.
My advice to you, re-evaluate why you want a girl to call your own, and look past just having a girl that's attractive just to have sex with her. Because if you keep on your path, you're Gibbs end up disappointed or screwed. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Thirdly, what you got against the heavy girls? Big people need love, too, and they give the best cuddles~

[MikeyJones]

You're completely misunderstanding like soooo many people on here. I don't JUST want a pretty girl to screw. I actually and have always wanted much more, but I realize that getting that is impossible, which is why I've resorted to just settling for sex. Sure I can get a loving woman... IF SHE'S FAT! Now why do you think THAT is? I won't date the fat girls b/c I HAVE BEFORE. When it came to romance, we BOTH ended up disappointed and wasting time. I don't wanna do that again. Also, I know they're being nice and sweet unlike the good looking girls are b/c they're merely compensating for their lack of looks. And yes, you're right about girls using their looks to their advantage, and too often in a bad way. Now about me getting them once I have money: I never said I'd let them eat me up! I know me; I'll just give just enough to get in them panties and once I'm done, she's out the back door like shit in a slop jar!

[SexxBunnyy]

Well, if you think it's impossible, and are willing to give up in your pursuit for more than a just a woman to screw, and settle for just sex, then it's even more clear that you're trying to get in a relationship for the wrong reasons.

[SexxBunnyy]

@SinduHal Well, if no girl wants him until he's a doctor, what makes you think THAT'LL be any more true love than him finding a girl that ACTUALLY LIKES HIM FOR HIM AND NOT HOW RICH HE IS? Regardless which one of those two come his way, neither of them will have shared those hardships with him.

I describe "True Love" as the heart-felt bond between two individuals who can really feel that strong connection of wanting to be together because they love each other for them, not for what they have. Of course, keeping in mind that if we wishes to enhance that relationship (if, when, or how it comes about) and raise a family, he will need to keep a steady and fair-paying occupation. And it's very true that money is a powerfl thing, given uuuuu CAN actually buy someone's love (god forbid...) But if he's going to become a doctor, or do something with a high income, just to get with the girls he wants, then it won't be true love at all. It's just purchased affection at most.

[jackyct]

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hahahaha, you know what the problem is? its you.
you're not even looking for a relationship, you're looking for a free fuck with (only) hot chicks.
you say you'll finally get them as soon as you make money, so?
these women are bitches. gold diggers. they'll eat you out moneywise and leave nothing good.
but if that's what you want, then it fits to your shallow attitude.

you know what, i never succest this to anyone, but go and get a hooker. you don't have to take them out, or be nice to them, just pay them and fuck some bitch. that's all you and so i guess that's rather your thing

[breman]

A lot of folks say that "it's you" and that's just simply bullshit. See, you didn't get the background: I was a nice guy (with backbone) who genuinely wanted a nice girl with at least average looks. Apparently this was just too damn much to ask. This is why I'm like fuck it, I'm just gonna get laid when I get money one day, fuck em and leave em. They're worth only that anyway apparently. A girl just told me that it was "off putting" to text her (not call, text) at 6am. That's why she stopped talking to me. AND she's one of those "Christian" kinds of girls. That sound very "Christian" to you? That's the shit I'm tallking about. As far as me being a doctor and all goes, I'm talking about fucking them after I've reeled them in with a little bit of "bait" (money). I didn't say JACK SHIT about letting her DRAIN me!! Again, like most, you're getting me WAAAAYYY fucked up!

[breman]

So it's not like I initially JUST WANTED SEX AND NOTHING ELSE. That's just how I feel about it now b/c of what THEY did to ME. Oh but somehow I'M the bad guy! See how fucked up everyone is to me now? I did right by the girls first, and they did WRONG by me first.

[matrix124]

Because women also care about looks. Just like you care about finding someone who is above average, or average, so do those women. Many women go through the same problems that you do, that they are nice & all, but men don't them the time of day because they are average or below average. I heard a guy say that he was fooling around with a woman, she treated him like a king & was wonderful to him, but when she wanted to get serious, he kicked her to the curb because her face wasn't pretty enough. It happens for both genders, I wish personality was enough, but it isn't when it comes to romantic relationships.

[breman]

But I'm not ugly.

[breman]

And why do they have to lie so much saying "looks don't matter" when they good and damn well do? I've been called handsome, cute, etc. a lot to be ugly. And if I do have any ugly features, I wish someone would finally point them out rather than keep them a fucking secret because that's not gonna help me. Finally, in your example, that's exactly what I mean when I said "It seems like only fat girls, who are the ones that no one else wants, are available and healthy ALL THE TIME!! They're always the ones who mean business when it comes to getting to know me better and dating me.".

[matrix124]

I don't think they should lie about it. I can imagine they do because in our society people look down on others for caring about looks, they call it shallow. As far as the women who are "fat," they would try to have the best personality that they can because many men wouldn't be with them for their looks.

[breman]

Well of course they shouldn't lie about it. So you're saying they care about what society thinks. Now should we do that? Or should we be free thinkers and just do what we think is right instead of blindly following society? I'm the latter type myself. Yes, fat women, don't get me wrong I love them to death, but I can't be anything more than friends with them because they're unattractive to me (I've even tried sleeping with them, and it didn't work if ya know what I mean) and I know they only wanna get with me b/c they have no other choice other than to be single and lonely. If they were in the hot girls stilettos, they wouldn't want me either.

[breman]

I left out something: so why does society look down upon people who regard looks as important? Isn't obvious as hell that all of society considers looks as important? I mean people get hired at top positions b/c of their looks. Women keep up with their hair and nails and tight skirts even when they don't really have the money to spend because looks are so important to them. And fat women, again, I love 'em, but let's face it, they over compensate for their lack of looks with personality.

[matrix124]

I believe people should do what they feel is right, & not care what society thinks. Unfortunately, some people care about what others think, & want to look "good." I think people need to be honest, & not hide what it is they really want. Another thing is, some people really do care about personality but they also care about looks. So they feel the need to say they care about personality, but fail to mention they care about looks as well. This confuses the opposite sex, & makes them think that person is lying. The person isn't lying, they just left out a very important part.

[breman]

Absence of the truth is a lie.

[breman]

Now me, I'm a mature adult about my shit, I'll tell ya that personality AND looks matter. But Idk, maybe I'm just a grown ass 26 yr old who should still be a little scary fucking kid like all others in my age group. (sigh)

[matrix124]

I thought you find this video interesting, good luck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rZu-tBi7DM

[breman]

Yeah that video doesn't apply to me at all. I'm not a push over/doormat, whimp, little bitch or anything. How can a girl know how great of a guy I am if she won't even text back or go out with me anywhere? How can she know whether I'll take charge, make decisions or not? How can she know about my spontaneity and adventure? SHE'S GOTTA GIVE ME A CHANCE!!!

[matrix124]

I just thought you'd find the video kind of interesting

[Account]

You sound like the perfect catch.

Let me tell ya something.
Women are not machines, whom you insert niceness coins and they reward you with sex.
Just because you act "nice" (code word for desperate) towards them, doesn't mean that you are entitled to sex from them.
Would you have sex with her --> cdn.gunaxin.com/.../FatGirl.jpg
if she was ""nice" towards you?
Right, I didn't think so, Tim. Plus, people who are genuinely nice do NOT flaunt it.

[Bandit74]

I'd have sex with her. I don't know why, but that "deer in the headlights" look really turns me on.

[Account]

@Bandit74 That was hilarious. I wish we could upvote comments!

[Bandit74]

Yeah they should add that feature. I thought the picture was funny so I just couldn't resist leaving a sarcastic remark ;)

[Account]

Okay, calm down, Peter. I am too lazy to read all that.
Anyway, have a good day!

[breman]

correction: "... why do you THINK that is?" Nice is NOT code for desperate. You know some of us guys are genuinely nice, good, warm hearted, sincere and kind people who get done like shit NOT b/c WE did anything wrong but b/c most females out there who look worth anything, especially in this country, are stuck up snobby assholes (like you must be). Oh, and you need to do this as well: refer to how loveisbeautiful responded to me and TAKE NOTE on how to respond to people WITH TACT!!! She did a swell job, and I suggest you stop being an ass and do the same! I never even said I was fat/ugly or any damn thing!

[Account]

You sound lovely. People who are genuinely nice do not feel the need to flaunt it like you do. They are nice towards ALL people not only towards women because they expect sex in return.
You are just angry because women do not have sex with you. Well, lots of women are turned off by arrogant people so...
Anyway have fun and good luck with your life.

[breman]

@Account But you weren't too lazy to get this damn picture now were you? So now I know what your objective was: TO FUCK WITH SOMEONE!! I hope you had fun.

[Account]

Lmao, whatever you say, you caveman.

[breman]

Stop Trolling!!

[Account]

B-but I could never troll!
P-peace?

[TheFullestThrottle]

You're mistakingly going off of the asker being pissed. What is he flaunting? This is NOT how he would usually sound on a date, ms. Not so thoughtful one. We nice guys don't just expect sex in return. Why do so many dumb ass girls think that? We expect a fucking RELATIONSHIP, hence NICE GUYS! The bad boys you all love so damn much expect just sex! girls are turned off by arrogant people? Then why do you fuck bad boys so much?

[222fallguy2]

You don't believe you are great and should. At this point you have so much baggage from your anger. I am sorry you are hurt. You still have a shot but need to soul search and find forgiveness in your heart for all the people that hurt you in your life.

[Deft_maiden]

This!

[222fallguy2]

Ty S

[breman]

I don't have any baggage from anger. I come at them like a gentleman and I try to show them a good time, but it's hard to do so when they hardly want to write/text back. What needs to be done is these girls need to be taught a lesson. They need to learn that what they're doing is wrong. No one is teaching them that because this country's morals/ethics have gone to shit. But I'll teach them when I dog their asses out when I have enough money for them one day.

[222fallguy2]

You definitely have anger and baggage. That is not even an argument.

[breman]

How do THEY know that I have anger baggage? THEY CAUSE the anger in the first damn place!!

[222fallguy2]

pk take care then

[breman]

Oh and I never said I don't believe I'm great. I KNOW I'm great. You're saying I lack confidence. I most certainly do not. Why do you think I got angry with females in the first place? I've always been a gentleman to them. I also had spine. I'm educated, and I have a good future. I can support myself and pay for dates. I'm a great listener. I'm not ugly. WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY STOP TALKING TO ME THEN? THIS is what made me angry at them in the first place. I wasn't angry to begin with like you're insisting.

[222fallguy2]

ok man I got ya

[SquantoGuy]

@222fallguy2 Maybe I do bring that bitchery out in them, but it's just b/c of something so small like me being a little boring. Oh and dig this, this girl I was talking to recently said that "you texting me at 6am was off putting". That's why she stopped talking to me for a couple days. Ain't that some shit? This is why they don't like a good guy. BUT, hold account, they will put up with a lying, cheating, abusive fuck face who will not even look after his own kids he had by her all b/c he's not boring. Now I'm not boring all the time, just sometimes. That's a small ass flaw that could be easily corrected if she just simply spent more time with me. And we all have flaws right? So if you have to put up with some kind of flaw, then why not put up with small ones instead of big ones, right? But I guess in the illogical female world, worse flaws are better.

[222fallguy2]

Well learned behavior (stuff she or others have learned from their parents) becomes a pattern. Some people date abusive people their whole lives and can't break the cycle.

[pineappleshortcare]

What are you throwing out there to bond with people? I don't mean doing favors trying to fuck hot chicks (your main objective it seems). That doesn't make you much different than the so-called douches you hate. A lot of guys who pedestal girls only see them as commodities. They may work hard to get them, like earning a Beemer, but they don't quite grasp the human connection part.

A lot of really smart guys have TERRIBLE social skills and don't really understand connection. Especially if they are in more of the sciences arena. It sounds like your emotional intelligence is low and you could study a bit about how most people connect with each other.

Do some work:
The Five Love Languages
How to Win Friends and Influence People
Etc.

[pineappleshortcare]

Also, take what people say about guys being assholes with a grain of salt. MOST people are assholes occasionally and break each others hearts often. Drop your idea that you'd magically be an awesome boyfriend just because you WANT a hot chick so well. That's just a little ego mind trick our minds do for us. Nobody is that good at relationships without learning how. Most everyone does something shitty in a relationship, especially while learning.

[breman]

There's nothing wrong with my personality or attitude. I'm always positive, optimistic, open minded and all, and all I do is approach and talk to her like a gentleman. I never get any negative responses there. And no, fucking hot chicks isn't my main objective (you didn't read very thoroughly). But I would say that just fucking them would be the only thing that's worth doing since they're not gonna love me.

[breman]

My emotional intelligence is just fine. It's hard to get a girl to connect with you if she's not even trying. I seem to be the only one asking the questions. I'm the only one elaborating and trying to find out what she likes and where she's headed. What's weird is that some will even give me the number voluntarily, or even message me first on dating sites. So she was obviously interested. What made her lose interest? Hard to keep a girl's interest if she doesn't even try to communicate with me or go out anywhere with me. Undoubtedly, she found someone else she's more interested in, but what made him better? And what made me strike out? Whatever my problem MIGHT be, no one bothers to tell me what it is. I've already tried to figure it out myself. I have nothing but good intentions with them. I unlike most people know what a relationship needs. I monitor it. I actually TRY to hold it together instead of tucking tail and hauling ass

[breman]

whenever a problem arises like most do. I have old school, or real love. I believe in sticking it out through thick AND through thin, better or for worse, as long as she's willing to fight in the ring with me. When she's no longer willing, THAT'S when I say fuck her. I can't do weak females, which I don't call real women. Bottom line: THEY JUST SUCK!!

[pineappleshortcare]

If it seems like everyone else is wrong and you're right... You're usually wrong. You don't have magical rekationship ninja powers, sir. You sound like you really want to try, but you're as human as everyone else. Kicking the ego down a notch might help too.

I'm sorry for your frustration and feelings of rejection... But something is going wrong here.

[breman]

Well I'm not wrong in this case. I'm not the only guy who feels this way ya know. Who tha hell said anything about magical powers? I know how to hold down a relationship... I gotta have magical powers for that? That just goes to show how screwed up today's society is since you and many others I'm sure think that it takes magical powers to have a successful relationship. Our ancestors held relationships down PRETTY well in comparison to most nowadays. Guess because they were magical people then!! LMAO

[breman]

being human isn't an excuse for not trying your damnest by the way. All I'm telling you is that I have a good heart and I try my damnest to maintain good things, like friendships and courtships/marriages, unlike most in today's world do. What ego? I'm an humble person, but I'm also an honest one. I keep it real. I might be modest, but I'm also someone who stands firm on and manifests his beliefs when need be. The key is for the heart to be strong, not hard. I don't think I'm perfect; I know I'm not, and no one else is. But I admit my faults, don't make excuses, and try to fix them. Sure I'm self reliant... to a point. But when I need help, I admit it and seek it; doesn't make me any less of a man. And now I'm trying to seek help as to why girls do these things that they do. Why is divorce rate so high in this country now? Because MARRIAGES AREN'T FOR THE SELFISH! But people are so damn selfish nowadays.

[breman]

you must be unselfish to admit there's a problem in the relationship and to communicate that problem with each other. You should both try to fix it, not tuck tail and haul ass to find someone who doesn't have that problem!! Trying to fix it is how the marriage lasts! Jumping ship is how it ends! If people would think about each other and the kids more, then they'd try to fix things and WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM!! But see, I always run into the girls who don't want to communicate problems; they just wanna run from them. When you run from a problem, that doesn't solve the problem! It's still there!! We all need to be big little men and women and FACE these problems head on and do what we can to eliminate it!!! So many "women" in my age group especially JUST CAN'T SEE THAT! They're all about convenience. Whenever convenience leaves, THEY leave. So why would I marry/get serious with anyone like that?

[breman]

My point is, sure, no one's perfect. But as I've said that's no excuse to not TRY to be perfect. When we try, we do better, and if my partner and I both try, the relationship gets better and although neither individual is perfect, the loving bond b/w the individuals IS perfect.

[knowit2]

Don't mind him. He's from another country

[dzednconfused]

Not trying to be rude here but are you attractive? If you aren't landing the kind of girls you are going after its possible you aren't on their level? And you know you talk about all these other asshole guys, but your currently coming across as a pretty big douche yourself :/ I don't know if you've just had a bad day or these rejections have just crawled under your skin, but you should prolly chill with the group classifications of all women lol just saying... Also, and I say this with love my friend, maybe you should try building a meaningful relationship with someone instead of deciding their worthiness based on their looks... i mean if these girls aren't dating you based on your looks when you say you have so much to offer why would you even let it bother you? P. s. Sex with hookers is icky, to many opportunities for cross contamination! Hope your being super careful!

[breman]

Not on their level? So looks matter a lot even when they say looks don't matter, huh? Yes, I am "on their level" as far as looks go. I'm bald, but I'm tall enough for them, I'm the skin shade most like, I'm in shape, I have a handsome face (I've been told that I look latino... a lot!). How am I coming across as a douche? These rejections have been under my belt for most of my life. I don't recall saying "all women". I'm referring to the ones I've encountered personally, which is a lot. I'm no where near the only guy with these experiences either. My point about good looking vs fat/ugly girls can be proven any day on tv/movies/magazines. I've tried to build meaningful relationships ALL MY LIFE. No one attractive wants one with me though, but the fat girls don't mind it. However, I've tried fat, and it doesn't work out in bed. So no go there. The attractive girl seems to just want a good time (i. e., go whore around) for a bit longer.

[breman]

Why would I let it bother me? Wouldn't it bother you? They ask for good men. I'm a good man. They STILL deny me and go fuck a dog. Who fucks dogs? Female dogs aka BITCHES! Then they whine about them being dogged out... BY DOGS!! THIS is what bothers me! I don't know if it's looks or something else they don't like about me. The problem is they won't tell me. They'd rather duck and dodge confrontation rather than help a good man out b/c they're all about themselves and no one else. They're selfish assholes. They don't wanna be confronted about why they don't like me b/c they know the truth is shallow. And they don't want everyone to know that they're shallow, but I'm afraid the secret is out. And finally, FYI, I mean getting with prostitutes in legal brothels like in Amsterdam and Nevada, where they're more professional, cleaner, and always carry protection. Know what the STD rate in brothels in Nevada is? 0.

[breman]

And guess which country has lower STD rates, U. S., who generally illegalizes prostitution or Netherlands who legalizes it. Women who fuck for passion don't think about protection a lot of the time; women who fuck for a buck on a regular think ahead and keep protection ALL the time. Think about it.

[Roycaryn]

This rant of yours makes you look absolutely pathetic, it's no wonder that you're having issues with women. You act like every girl is either fat and ugly or a stuck up, "hot bitch." Why the hell are you chasing them so badly?

[breman]

Well, I'm right aren't I? I MYSELF have not run into a girl who ISN'T fat/ugly or a stuck up bitch. Why do I chase them so badly? Hmmmm... geesh Idk, maybe b/c, I don't know just a proposition, but B/C I WANT TO GET LAID? If I don't "chase" them (I just approach them, go after them, ya know like ALL guys do) then I won't get them. I'm sure when you want some you just jerk it or go after a guy, right?

[Roycaryn]

You complain about fat girls being the only ones that want to date you and get to know you better yet all you want from girls that you are attracted to is sex. Is this what you're saying?

[breman]

No sir. Why I only want sex from them NOW is b/c they seem to be worth ONLY that. For many years, I wanted a stable, long lasting loving relationship with an at least average looking girl, but apparently that was just too damn much to ask.

[breman]

people say I'll have better luck as a doctor and I proved it on making a fake profile on a dating site. Did it in a couple different areas across the country too. I don't want a woman who's only going to be there for my good times; I want her to live up to the wedding vows.

[Roycaryn]

Fundamentally speaking, if you're on here ranting about how "girls don't go for the decent guy" and proceed to go through the "female checklist" of qualities. Good girls can tell when a guy is merely "acting" like a decent man and it seems to me they've judged correctly (my apologies for not bring this up earlier).

[SquantoGuy]

No they have not judged correctly at all sir! Did I ever say that I had to have all those qualities? Or did I include a little something about average girls too? Yeah, READ MORE CAREFULLY!!!

[SquantoGuy]

Why is it that I can give fat girls a chance and tel them why I can't be with them, but girls I try to get with won't do the same for me? Guess because I'm an asshole right? (eyes rolling)

[Roycaryn]

If not a single woman you've been with has told you why they are no longer interested in you, it is because you creep them out. There is no other explanation. As I said before in my previous post, I'm frankly not that surprised that women see you this way.

[Roycaryn]

@SinduHal You think a perfectly normal, non-creepy guy who has no problem with women would be on here making ranting about how chicks apparently don't like him?

[Roycaryn]

Look at the comments he's been leaving for christ's sake if you don't believe me.

[peachypink]

Don't generalize us girls as horrible beings... I just read an angry rant about your exes who don't even make up 1% of the population of the girls in the world. There are billions more of us you know. Anyways if you think you're a little boring, you're probably very boring in a typical girl's eyes. It's like saying you're "just a little ugly". This doesn't have to be a problem, because really all you need is just one girl who doesn't think you're boring! Maybe you just aren't surrounded by the right kind of people or maybe you are attracted to that type of horrible girl without realizing it? Those pretty but shallow girls? Just like how they are attracted to these bad boys without realizing it. Y'all want what you can't have!

[peachypink]

First of all, calm the fuck down. ugh. I am not your exgirlfriend. Statistically, the chances of any of the girls on this site being one of your exgirlfriends is slim. So you don't have to get all defensive on me. Second of all, Read the shit I typed out for you carefully. You just made up your own screwed up meaning out of it. I didn't say that you were unlucky. You could be stuck in a bad environment, where there are not a lot of the kind of girls you seek. Try MOVING. Honestly, a lot of the USA girls who only wanna have fun with badboys and get wasted every night are full of shit. Either move out of the city to a nice suburb where a lot of girl-next-door types are go overseas because a lot of foreign women are raised with strict values. a lot of male celebrities are marrying overseas models because they're beautiful but don't have a bitchy personality like a lot of American ones do.

[peachypink]

When did I ever to say to change your personality? I said all you have to do is find ONE girl who likes you for who you are. I think you should just haven't found her yet, but you are currently damning your future wife with the rest of the female population. You yourself sound a bit superficial, since you can't bring yourself to like fat girls. Maybe instead of simply wanting to go out with not fat girls, you are attracted to high maintenance beautiful faces and end up unknowingly dating bitches all the time. Those are girls are not justified, they are shallow and stupid. Unfortunately, that's the majority of today's young pretty girls. But that's not ALL. I understand you're frustrated but you do realize you are insulting me and every other girl who hasn't even fucking MET you by immaturely ending your comment with, I knewww it girls are superficial and shallowwww all because they don't want me. I see a personality problem already. I wouldn't want to date you.

[peachypink]

UHH well maybe cause you made me mad -.- there is nothing for you to set straight about me because I'm entitled to my own opinion. Who do you think you are trying to change the answer of somebody who bothered to answer your question? and the whole "i knew it all girls are shallow blahblah" thingy? You didn't say it directly, but that is the message I got from your paragraphs. It sounded whiny, complainy, and like you only wanted to rant about your frustrations and hate on girls. Also, I don't think you are a good judge of why girls leave you. Another guy (jerk or not) could be an excuse and there could be something fundamentally wrong with you that you are overlooking. :p I'm not kidding.

[peachypink]

I read what that guy wrote about how you will be able to get girls easier after becoming a doctor. Manipulative bitches will HUNT you down with their fake mask of niceties, the truly scary ones that you can never tell if they're lying or not. I think that is when you'll have to be the most cautious about choosing wisely. The bad ones to weed out get even more pernicious.

[peachypink]

No, I was mad at your comment towards my opinion not your question. You tried to explain why my answer was wrong, and persuading me that I'm wrong would change my opinion, and thus my answer. You can call it bullshit but it's what I think of you. Care to elaborate how I'm jumping to conclusions? Also, "it obviously isn't very big"? That's your opinion... I have a friend with an ugly big nose and nobody comments or tells her about it. It's glaringly obvious, but taboo to talk about since everyone figures 'hey, she should already know right? I mean, it's huge.' I'm saying this could be a possibility I'm not trying to accuse you. ugh. And didn't you judge it by saying that they all leave you for being boring and because they are stupid, shallow, and prefer jerks? My answer was that maybe your focus should not be on the jerks and how the girls seem to like them better, but on something within you.

[peachypink]

You're being insulting again. I don't have my panties in a wad, you just have a nasty, nasty personality. I don't think a sweet girl who looks for personality would even want to date you. And I'm not insane, if you married a bitch like that later on, you would be a person with a nasty personality and an idiot.

[peachypink]

wow did you just create a new account just to back YOURSELF up to seem more legitimate? I'm so done. You are so dumb, and no you do have a nasty personality. I'm not jumping to conclusions, because what I think of your personality is completely subjective. I don't need evidence to judge that you have a nasty personality. I point out things you don't want to hear and you accuse me of making up shit and being the one that was rude first when you started it. Just stay single forever. :p who cares.

[peachypink]

the account was only made today. and you haven't posted anything before. your style of writing mixing in all caps and insults is just llke the asker's. it's something that's pretty commonly done when the writer wants to be appear like he's justified by having someone take his side, so chances are pretty high that you made a second account.

[peachypink]

ur dumb for making a second one and supporting YOURSELF. who does that? thats desperate and sad. where is everyone else and why are they not backing you up? why do you have to go as far as pretending that someone that someone has your back. you obviously feel driven into a corner.

[peachypink]

Getting the sense that someone has a nasty personality is something intuitive. You can't argue with someone if they say I think so and so is mean. If my opinion were that all Asians are gay, well that would be just dumb because there is so much evidence against that case available in the media, internet, library, etc. My opinion that you are rather nasty mean-spirited comes from the feeling you evoke in me with your choice of language and your overall attitude towards me, when my original comment towards you was actually meant to help you. You addressed me with "WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU SUBSITUTE... blahblah" as if I were your exgirlfriend, so that would explain why I kept getting offended and was rude back. You need to stop talking to me as if I'm your ex to take out your frustration of being angry at your exes. That was what made me mad.

[bunnyy]

No one wants someone so negative! guys who complain about the "friend zone" and call other men "douche bags" because they are jealous are super immature and undesirable. I've heard this whining sooo many times from men and it's pathetic and off putting! Having to look your best and have patience are just regular social skills there buddy no one wants an impatient unkempt man-child running around! You also seem very shallow and not actually a "good guy" at all. If you can't stop blaming everyone else for your bad attitude (which is driving the women away) then all I can say is have fun with your prostitutes and use protection!

[breman]

I'm not negative at first; I'm only negative after I've found out that just about every good looking girl is a total picky bitch. I call them douche bags b/c they are, NOT EVERY other guy is!! You're misconstruing and putting words in my mouth. I've ALWAYS been a good positive guy, and girls know it. They're just in fact super shallow when picking guys. I'm "whining" on here, NOT to the girls I'm trying to talk to (how many times have I said this on here)

[breman]

If these guys I'm referring to as douchebags weren't douchebags they wouldn't be lying to and cheating on these girls after the girls stop wanting to date me, the guy who wouldn't do all that. Yes I'm a nice guy. Yes I have spine. Yes I have a future in medicine. Yes I pay for dates, and yes I'm genuine and honest with me and her. Who's blaming anyone for me having a bad attitude? You sound just like a troll to me. You should refer to the other posts!!!

[bunnyy]

You are just a very angry person I can understand why no one wants to be around you. I've been turned down lots of times but I never let it make me bitter and then I finally found someone so just calm down. Also why are girls not allowed to be picky when you think you can be just as picky? You are very specific about the "requirements" of physical attractiveness for dating you and you are mad at these pretty slim girls for not giving you a chance yet you refuse to give a chubby but still pretty girl a chance even when they are interested in you. I'm just saying being bitter and shallow and pessimistic will get you absolutely nowhere until you realize you are throwing a tantrum like a little boy and change your attitude. I'm not trying to offend you but you do nee someone to call you own on your bullshit for your own good.

[SquantoGuy]

Here we go again! I'm only angry at most ON HERE b/c you're not reading everything I'm writing and you all condescend me and ridicule instead of help! I'm not angry at people in general. I'm quite nice and positive when I try to date someone and when I'm around friends and family. And strangers for that matter. I haven't found anyone yet, and also I'm not someone who just shuts up when people do wrong; I confront. And any mature adult welcomes confrontation. I do. I'm not picky b/c I've at least given fat girls a chance... many chances, and I tell them why I'm not interested now. But girls who turn me down neither give me a chance nor did they even give me a reason why they turned me down when I asked. I'm asking for one of the majority of girls I see, so how's that picky? I'd love to just have an AVERAGE girl, but I suppose you and sooo many others missed that part huh?

[SquantoGuy]

" I'm just saying being bitter and shallow and pessimistic will get you absolutely nowhere until you realize you are throwing a tantrum like a little boy and change your attitude. I'm not trying to offend you but you do nee someone to call you own on your bullshit for your own good.", and you're not trying to offend me? You should make TACT your best friend as well. Mind you I didn't throw any tantrums until everyone started jumping all over my ass in such an untactful manner. So now that you've read this, how am I shallow and pessimistic? Should I change my positive attitude towards my potential dating partners to a negative one? You're the one suggesting to change it! My advice to you: STOP JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS AND ASSUMING EVERYTHING!!! For example, ASK me about whether I've given fat girls a chance or not rather than ass 'uming I haven't.

[bunnyy]

oh man you are tiring I can't help you! you have to help yourself! that's it that's all I can tell you so just quit feeling sorry for yourself all the time the world doesn't owe you anything!

[SquantoGuy]

Oh, sorry for telling you off!! Turns out I'm right and you're wrong afterall. Maybe I should just tell you sweet lies about yourself! Learn to talk to people with better tact! Ya know, people tell me I'M an asshole cause of how I talk to people on here, but then look at how you talk. Hmmmm... guess the pot can't call the kettle black huh!!!

[SquantoGuy]

TROLL TROLL TROLL!!!

[bunnyy]

I don't even get why you fee the need to argue so much you ARE acting immature there is no way around that. But sure get angry I can't help you these are issues you have to sort out withing your self continue to get mad at me if you wish but I'm done because this is getting so childish and ridiculous. Your desire to be right overshadows your desire to actually solve your problem and if you continue to think that way you will be stuck in a rut forever I'm just warning you. You need to change to get anywhere the world isn't going to change for you.

[MikeyJones]

How did I act immature? Not too mature to ASS ume so much instead of asking questions first!! Yeah, you're sooooo mature by blocking me!! Look, you KNOW I'm right and don't wanna fess up to it and then like a little damn girl you block me and haul ass. That doesn't make you right you know? I get angry more so b/c people like yourself won't ask questions but instead will come at me like an asshole and assume every damn thing. It's only getting childish and ridiculous b/c YOU WON'T CONSTRUCTIVELY TALK TO ME!! None of you even want to address the actual problem! You just want to say that I'm wrong about what I've said about girls thus far! AND I'M NOT!!! You really think I appreciated how you initially commented? NO ONE WOULD! Oh but I'M immature! I think you got your definitions mixed up there babe! And for the record, if I were to take your advice and change, that means I'd be a bad guy/bad boy. That means I'd be a cheat, a liar, etc.

[MikeyJones]

Because I'm none of that now which is why I don't get why girls don't like me. This is why I can't call the women b/c real women would like a man like me. You really think I talk/act like I do on here with girls I meet? HELL NO!! I'm only doing this now b/c of how everyone's treating me on here! But I guess everyone's too damn stupid to realize that this is a rant.

[bunnyy]

I didn't block you I'm just confused why you'd come on here asking for advice yet you can't take a little constructive criticism without blowing up like you do. You seem very full of your self saying a "real" woman would like you and assuming that we all want bad boys when we don't someone as argumentative as yourself would be too damn much work. Why ask for advice if you can't accept that maybe you need to look at yourself and change a little maybe accept that you are not this perfect prize or gods gift to women because you are not perfect no one is. You need to stop expecting a women to fall out of the sky and instantly fall in love with you it doesn't work that way no matter how amazing you think you are.

[AutumnBloom]

You keep saying only fat girls will date you and you say this with such a disregard for them but you complain that no "hot" girl will. Considering the fact I won't deny that I would be considered what you may think is fat, in defense I can say at least I have the potential to lose my baggage and am working at it everyday. You say you date fat girls but don't really want to, so you automatically cut it short; you don't give them any chances so how can you say you haven't really found that girl? I'm not disagreeing with what you say entirely because I have seen first-hand girls behave like how you describe however like I said coming from the fat girl really trying to work on her weight maybe you should work on yourself.

[breman]

You ever wonder why only fat girls will date me? What baggage do I have? What should I work on? And correction: I don't CURRENTLY date fat girls, I've stopped that b/c I realized what I was doing was wrong. Who do I not give chances to? I've tried fat girls; it didn't work. Not just once, not twice, but several. How should I work on myself?

[AutumnBloom]

I clearly wrote that I have baggage (pertaining to my weight) not you. I also clearly wrote that I partially agree with you because yes I do think that some girls are as ruthless as they come but I also know that both genders male and female have issues in that department. I wrote that maybe you should work on yourself because even if you may see this as a small "rant" clearly it seems like hate. You said "they need to be taught a lesson" and going more into that little paragraph that you wrote earlier, it sounds like whatever tipped you over the edge might be making you subconsciously come off as "stoker" or something worse than that. I was trying to get through to you that maybe you want to see what you want to see, meaning you only go for a particular type and are probably not as open as you think. You should evaluate all aspects because I really doubt catching an std is even worth any money. Keep your head up, woosah! & Relax!

[breman]

Yeah I know you said that YOU have baggage, but then why did you tell me this if you weren't insinuating that I have baggage? Although both genders have problems there, we're talking about me vs females; other males are irrelevant since I don't try to date them. I hate what these girls do, yes. It's been wearing on me forever. I've experienced this bs with them for years now. They in fact need to be taught that this is NOT cool. Their parents will know better for them, yet they will still go after the worst losers ever all b/c "there's chemistry/connection", or "he's over 6ft tall/he has hair on his head/ good game" or whatever bullshit, NONE of which account for a good man. However, she asks for a good man and turns him down when he comes her way; THAT'S frustrating. What is a "stoker"?

[breman]

Also, thinking that I'm surely gonna get an STD from hookers is ignorant. First of all, I'm not referring to street hookers; I'm referring to those who work in legalized brothels like in Amsterdam or Nevada. Their STD rates are at 0, mind you, and guess what STD rates are among the general, non-hooker population? The women who work in these brothels ALWAYS have protection and get STD checks since it's required; can't say the same for regular females who get out and get with guys in the heat of the moment. Hookers think about having sex on a regular since it's their job; regular girls don't, which is why they're actually less likely to have contraception and thus more likely to catch an STD. The Netherlands and many other 1st world countries legalize it and guess how their STD rates compare to ours...

[breman]

Thank you for your help, but I assure you that I'm pretty open minded, have searched high and low, try every race, edu. background, etc. So I don't just try one type of girl. I've evaluated every damn aspect, which is, again, why I'm frustrated and am ranting on here. This is why I conclude that it can't be me; it HAS to be them. Young ladies are being raised up wrong these days and/or are being influenced by the wrong role models, friends, advertisements, pop stars, etc. This must be why they look for the wrong things in guys and therefore go for guys with these things and COMPLETELY miss what's much, much more important. What's funny is that they talk like they have sense and know what right things to look for but then they don't practice what they preach. THAT is frustrating. It's one thing if you don't know better, but if you know better and STILL do wrong, you're in sin.

[ThatChicGirl]

Listen, the answer is pretty simple.. You say that you're 26, so th girls you've been going after (I assume) must be around that, and you pretty girls usually are just not ready for commitment. I know from experience that you as a girls has to try out some things, and commitment is not first on your list.
Second; pretty girls are usually those that dousches hit on, and they have all been played a million times, and really don't know how to handle a nice guy. You are probably amazing, but if you have been out with a few of those jerks you start distrusting guys honesty. So it's easier to just not commit and be that good time girl.

[breman]

Uhm... wait, are you calling ME a girl? I'm a guy! I think your subjects that you're using are getting switched up, but anyway, why is it that commitment is first on a big girl's list but not a pretty, slim one's? By not ready for a commitment, you mean they still wanna whore around and use their goods up before getting with a good guy to settle down with, right? And I'm not necessarily looking for a commitment; never did I say that.

[ThatChicGirl]

I know ur not a girl.. it's because the big girl's probablt see the value in a relationsship. And ya, sure they want to whore around, most people do

[sawno]

Gonna be really short on this one.
First of all i get that your upset but your current attitude in these messages scared anyone away tgat read it as you can see from any girl that posted.

Second of all try finding a girl that fits you, it requires extreme luck and patience.

And third? If you think you got the confidence go out and ask a bunch of girls what they think of you. There answers can help imensely.

[breman]

A girl who fits me... why would it take extreme luck and patience when it doesn't take this for a fat girl? What girl fits me? At least average looking, nice, down to earth, open minded, loyal, hardworking, smart like I am? Find me one! The fact that there aren't many out there is the damn problem. I ask a lot of girls about me, but a lot are obviously lying to me. They pretty much all consider me cute, sexy, etc. Again, could be lies, which is why their answers may not help immensely. One guy told me that bald heads are an automatic deal breaker with a lot of girls. I believe him, especially considering I'm 26 and not 46, since younger people are less accepting of baldness/grayness etc. and older people will be more accepting of it.

[breman]

who's tgat?