Now throughout history women have always had a need for men to provide, give protection for them, strength, ingenuity, get food for them, and help build society up for them. Many feminist like to argue that the lack of female inventors was due to male oppression but the thing is when human existence was young, there was no social structure or patriarch put in place and women had the same equal opportunity as men to come to the discovery of tools/make fire. Hell, a social experiment was done on survivors where men and women were serrated into 2 teams and men worked together to improve their living situation while women were left clueless and passively content with the way things are. So the driving force for our society progression has been men in term of technological advances and males were still valued and needed and women because of this were submissive, showed respect and were kind to men. Thanks to technological advances male physical strength is no longer needed as much by society, nor is male protection; a gun beats a big hulking man. Also seeing from the Western bubble we live in, many Western women will never experience the harsh effect of war or need a man to defend her against invaders which has only resulted in them no longer needing men as much. Thus, we see that in many aspect male duties that women once needed are no longer necessarily needed and this coincides right around the time in which feminism showed up.
With feminism women seem to have now showed their true face and feeling for men it seems and have varying levels of misandry for men. It is like a fake ass friend who is nice to you because they need you but once you are no longer needed reveal what they truly think about you.
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By the way for those saying i hate women, this is not about hate but just me making a question based on observation. Feminism came around the time, society was stabilised with plenty food/water/shelter, there was no war or need for physical strength and basically where many of the usefulness women had for men became ended up becoming less and less important. This question is just asking based on this coincidence.
Is feminism and women misandry for men just women showing their true faces for men?
No whats happening is feminist and liberals have been conditioning women to hate men, its not inherint otherwise things would be much worse (look at the propaganda against men and then see that most women despite treating men poorly do not treat them nearly as bad as you would expect with how much they are represented as monsters). Its basically the same thing that happens to a spoiled child. When you don't hold them to a standard, when you don't punish them for wrong doing, when you tell them they are above every one else from birth and then have both parents and schools and society stating the exact same things, how women are now is inevitable. Men would turn out the same way too except no one would ever put men on a pedestal to the detriment of women, we are biologically as well as socially inclined to revere women and view men as disposable.
There are the minority of women who are Feminists and there are the majority who do not say anything to oppose the madness of Feminism and are happy to go along for the ride. Either way, the modern woman has to be regarded to be a misandrist unless or until she provides compelling evidence to the contrary.
dear anonymous i hope you right with distinguishing between feminist and feminazi. there is a person who has traits of a feminazi but still people refer her as feminist. i was thinking about anita sarkeesian.
Not really. Feminist push for laws that harm men, they are the ones who created a bias system, they are the ones who have pushed propaganda and false narratives as in our educational systems and are the ones who lobby to ensure fathers rights remain near non existent, they are the ones who ensure that men continue to have no reproductive rights. Its kind of like arguing their is a difference between the KKK and the extremist KKK, there really isn't ideologically speaking. One may be more proactive then the other but their stances are the same their ideology is the same and their end goals are the same.
@jacquesvol Yes. Both are hate groups, both lobbied for laws that discriminate, both used propaganda and scare tactics to get what they want. Sure feminist haven't killed any one yet (defended women who had, but not actively killed) but yes, they are a hate group and I compared them to another more well known hate group.
@jacquesvol It is hating men. Its actually ironic that you would say that they hate "patriarchy" which refers to men, (its is also, at least in the way women use the term made up) and as for control, sure who doesn't hate being controlled? The problem is we have rules for a reason, sure I would like to punch some one in the mouth when they say something stupid but the powers that be stop me from doing so. Sure women want to do what ever they want without consequences but that's not really fair to men when they then push off all those consequences off on to them. I don't really feel like arguing this with you because quite frankly you have no idea what your talking about. The fact is everything feminist have claimed is provably false from an anecdotal, statistical, biological, genetic, and historical standpoint.
patriarchy (n.) 1560s, in ecclesiastical sense, from Greek patriarkhia, from patriarkhes (see patriarch). Meaning "system of society or government by fathers or elder males of the community" first recorded 1630s.
@jacquesvol Feminazis are retards who falsely present themselves as "feminists, although, they are obviously quite the opposite... their philosophy is more similar to misogynist ideology, they are just like you (for example).
@jacquesvol So where going to do this again? Okay, well your willfully stupid, that is to say you choose to pretend like you don't know what I said because you can't argue against it. What I stated was their is no such thing as patriarchy in the fashion feminist use it. Now you knew I said that, so why would you ignore that very important detail? Simple, because its easier to take down a straw man then the real thing. Patriarchy as per feminist definition: "Patriarchy is the term used to describe the society in which we live today, characterised by current and historic unequal power relations between women and men whereby women are systematically disadvantaged and oppressed." Specifically to the advantage of men. So there you go thats what I was arguing against, not that you don't know it, you just chose to act like an idiot and pretended you couldn't understand a very simple statement. womenshistory.about.com/.../patriarchal.htm
@jacquesvol So how exactly is their a power difference to the detriment of women and the benefit of men? Did women get drafted into various dangerous tasks against their will and currently have that threat looming over them in order to maintain their right to vote and be an acknowledged citizen? No but men do. Are their laws that allow men to harm women with out repercussions? No, but their are for women. Who lives longer men or women? Women, who gets larger amounts of funding for their gender specific diseases men or women? Women. Who is more likely to be homeless, men or women? Men (80% to be precise) all the while feminist scream about how poverty is a womans issue (again ignoring the many programs available only for women that help them in these situations) Starting to see a pattern? Of course you are not because your head is so far up your ass that you couldn't critically think if your life depended on it.
No, actually I am more aware of feminism then you are because I have researched it. Like how the original suffragettes which where the original group that would become feminist (which feminist like to conflate with the suffragest who wanted every one men women white black etc. to have the right to vote) not only commited acts of violence like arson and bombing of buildings they also only wanted the middle class white women to have the right to vote. Thats actually what soujerner Truths speech titled "ain't I a woman" was about, the fact that suffragettes couldn't care less about the poor women or non white women. Further more when you have feminist organizations that pushed for the duluth model of domestic violence which has been used to create the idea of the primary victim being the woman and the primary aggressor as a man resulting in laws that require the man be arrested even if he is bleeding and severly injured from his wifes violent assault while the woman is unpunished,
f we have a feminist organization like NOW (National Organization for Women) who have advocated and lobbied successfully for bias unfair divorce laws that ensure that women nearly always get custody of children and men almost never do (men get partial or full custody of children about 40% of the time, women over 90%), when those same organizations fight to prevent rape laws from applying to women, when they ensure that women have the right to opt out of parenthood but demand men do not have those same rights, when they help create laws and an enviroment that allowed the landmark court ruling "hermsmann vs seyer" which allows a woman to get child support no matter the circumstances (in this case a babysitter raped a 12 year old boy), when they ensure that paternity fraud remains legal and systematically try to undermine any attempt at discussing male issues like when they shut down the lecture by Dr. Waren Farell which was going to adress issues such as male suicide
(75% of all suicide victims are male), Meanwhile feminist like Andrea Dwarkin who stated that "all sex is rape", or when they create rape laws that hurt men and shield women who abuse it (studies show aboutg 40% of rape accusations are false yet we are encouraged by feminist to allow it because apparently a mans life and reputation are utterly meaningless, in fact after the UV/rolling stones rape case Catherine Comin, a feminist, stated: "men who are unjustly accused can sometimes gain from the experience. 'They have a lot of pain, but it is not a pain that I would necessarily have spared them. I think it ideally initiates a process of self-exploration. 'How do I see women?' 'If I didn't violate her, could I have?' 'Do I have the potential to do to her what they say I did?' Those are good questions.'")
When you have all of that, yes one can say conclusively and empiraclly that feminist hate men, that they are a hate group and that they are bad people. If you disagree with all of that great, don't call yourself a feminist. Its kind of like saying that your part of the KKK but don't agree with racism in any way, if thats the case why claim your part of the group? It makes no sense. When the academics show that they are what you call "femnazis", when the organizations are what you are trying to say are "femnazis" and when legions of their followers are what you term "femnazis", then whats the difference between a feminist and a femnazi?
@hellionthesagereborn Andrea Dwarkin is a feminazi and an idiot (her statement about sex speaks loud enough about her lack of intellect). Besides, she is an ugly old beatch, so who would want to "rape" her anyway? You can see the differences between feminists and feminazis above. Crazy, fat and highly unattractive old hags are not a valid representation of feminism, they are just bitter women, desperately craving for attention, talking crap, just like some politicians ;)
@jacquesvol Which is why I didn't use them as you noted, I simply used them in the context that she was as a way of comparison. Please stop trying to create straw man arguments, they merely show that your, no pun intended, grasping at straws.
Andrea dwarkin's looks or attitude are irrelevent, she was a feminist intellectual and writer. So my point was this is the kind of feminism found in feminist philosophy and writings. I then pointed out the same ideology is found in its organizations, I then showed that most followers have the same ideology. So again whats the difference between a femnazi and a feminist if both are functionally identical? The answer is their isn't. From the very begining of their organization to now, they are the same. So why claim to be one but then state that this group doesn't represent you? Its like claiming to be a conservative but then stating you have no conservative values. If thats the case, then by definition you are not a conservative.
@hellionthesagereborn Please cut the crap with your "straw arguments", cause they don't exist, that term was invented by morons and quasi-intellectuals. She is not a feminist but a feminazi, and her looks do matter because that's what makes her so frustrated, that's why she has some psychological complexes, just like you do, and other misogynists who are trashing feminism, purposely confusing it with feminazism. Basically, she is far from intellectual and she doesn't represent true feminism, just like Stalinism - it doesn't represent true Communism because it was a cruel totalitarian dictatorship, totally different from Utopian Communist society. About conservatives - not all of them support Trump, because of his hillbilly politics. That's it, now stop spamming on my opinion, cause I don't care about yours.
Staw man argument is a legitamate term used in logic so I have no idea why you would suggest that its not real. This is basic logic, they teach this in logic classes in college. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman https://www.fallacyfiles.org/strawman.html In fact saying its pseudointellectual is also a fallacy, its a dismissal, Argumentum ad lapidem meaning you claim something is absurd/doesn't count what have you and thus ignore it without actually providing any evidence for the claim. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_lapidem As for the straw man arguments, that was not directed at you so I don't really understand why you would care. However for the rest of your argument, again, if the majority of writers of feminism hold these ideas, if nearly all organizations hold these ideas, if nearly all feminist hold these ideas, then how is their any difference between a feminist and a femnazi? The answer is their isn't.
As for the remark about communism and trump, I never mentioned either so I don't understand what your trying to say. If what I stated, if the organizations (which you neglected to address) and the protestors who are comprised of feminist (again you neglected to adress) if the intellectuals and the ones creating the philosophy and teaching it (which again you neglected to adress) are not actual feminist then what is a feminist and why would we call such a minority group within this particular group that has apparently completely different ideals and philosophies, feminist? What is a feminist then if not what I have presented?
@hellionthesagereborn I never asked for your opinion, I said I don't care what you think, I know what kind of idiots invented so-called "straw argument", that bullshit is used just because they don't know what else to say as a reply to an argument they can't win, so they promote they "fallacy" idiotism (calling it "logic"), pretending to be "smart" by driveling Latin phrases, desperately trying to degrade other people with their egotism and annoying objections, but guess what, they always fail, or they get their asses kicked. Luckily for them, they are just "internet warriors", but in real life, they don't dare to face another person, they live like outcasts, in their parent's basements. Feminazi writers are not Feminists, I can say that I'm "Alien", or "Doctor", or "Angel" - but I'm not, Feminazis are just pretenders, not true Feminists. You can keep on living in your world of illusions, quasi-philosophy, and pseudo-intellectualism, but you'll never find a girlfriend that way ;)
"a social experiment was done on survivors where men and women were serrated into 2 teams and men worked together to improve their living situation while women were left clueless and passively content with the way things are."
Because he has the audacity to point out some injustices? To criticize women is to hate all women? If that's the case then what do women think of men, because they have nothing but constant criticism and ridicule for them. He is pointing out some very real issues, if you look men are poorly represented, either they are all rapist or would be rapist (hence "teach men not to rape" when in reality very few men or women (their about equal in numbers) rape) they are abusers (hence the "violence against women act" and all the ad campaigns of "my strength is for protecting" etc. ironic since according to the CDC/NCVS women are actually more likely to abuse a man (and children) then men are to abuse a woman (or children)) or they are when not being portrayed as the scum of the earth get to be portrayed as bumbling idiots especially in the role of fathers as if they know nothing about raising kids and need the woman to do everything for them. This is very real.
You would be wrong. Those of us who see Feminism for what it is judge it by the actions and words of its advocates. Here, in their own words: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbzF-Q_ZEDg
If someone kills a woman society will rise up to kill the murderer, if someone kills a child as long as the murderer is not female society will rise up to kill the murderer, if someone kills a animal a select few will rise up to attack the animal abuser, if a woman kills a man she will get probation and become famous as several women's channels on tv tell her story and spin her as a hero who only murdered the male out of temporary insanity.
Umm. Men have aways needed all of those things too. If it wasn't for the system, most guys wouldn't have been able to provide for themselves and their families. It's not like they were solo lol
I think the reason why so many women hate men is a direct result of feminism and the brainwashing of the media. Women are easily fooled and are easy to brainwash. The global elite know this, which is why the media's biggest target are women.
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No, misandry is not a part of feminism, you are confusing it with femi-nazism.
Here are the thoughts of some of the leading lights of Feminism. It is an ideology of pure, misandric hatred. There is nothing good about Feminism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbzF-Q_ZEDg
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