First I have to ask too independent/free spirited for what? my answer for too indipendent to rent a home to is gonna be different from too independent to date which is going to be different from too independent to fuck.
I’m not gonna date a girl who finds pride in her independence. It’s just dumb to me. You’re an adult you should be able to handle a life as an independent person. That’s not an accomplishment it’s a requirement. I’m not gonna hire a mathematician who thinks his fourth grade math award should be framed in his office. Secondly in a relationship a level of dependability is usually a good thing. If I’m stuck essentially living as a single guy just with a girl who’s neat to hang around and let’s me fuck I really don’t have much reason to stick around. She’d pretty much just be a living entertainment system. Some mutual dependence is kinda necessary to feel like a family and personally I like dating with an end goal in mind instead of only for fun.
Too independent to fuck is a little more complicated. If you’re so free you seem like a sociopath I’m out. If I think you don’t bathe I’m out. If I think you’d be down to fuck a guy that doesn’t bathe I’m out. Essentially if I think you’re gross I’m out. Beyond that I’m not a big fan of counterculture people who push against social norms just cause. Not all social norms are bad and if you don’t have clear reasonings behind them I find you mostly uninteresting so I might still fuck but not multiple times. If you’re also so free that dealing with you becomes a hassle I’m out. Like if getting in contact with you or making plans takes hours/days I’m not wasting my time. Too many pretty interesting cooperative girls out there to chase after anyone.
I don't know... most women who have to call themselves independent have some major deficits or issues elsewhere... at least in my experience
Real women don't blabber on and on about independence, whatever that even means
Not exactly what I meant but instead what does it mean when other people call her as such, especially if or when men call women "too independent".
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Do what they want (dedicate less time on boys and more on themselves), don't listen to ppls opinions (don't need validation from guys), don't care for attentions (don't go out of their way to impress guys), self reliant (don't give guys chance to save you and make them feel good about themselves). Basically, if you're not super hot, you'll be single for a while.
Yeah. Maybe. But if it feels right to you and you're not trying to impress anyone, just being true to yourself, then, really, fuck everyone.
So basically me 😂😂💪
(And I guess I'm kinda attractive but that's not something I want people to judge me based on)
I’m always told I’m too independent and will never be loved because I am neither dominant nor subservient. I don’t exactly get it, but it seems romantic dynamics thrive on some kind of power thing. Even my own father said nobody would marry me because of my independence and I’m sure he’s correct. I don’t like being told what to do or telling others what to do.
Damn. That's hella shade thrown at you. However, I would like to encourage you to find a romantic partner IF you do have some desire to have one. AND if you do then seek the similar qualities in a man that you have which is independent and understanding that it is probably best not to order you around. My sister is fairly independent however there are things that she could not do without her boyfriend which is actively manage a portfolio and technology (these were offered to her, not an order or command). It's great to be independent and not wanting to order people around and not wanting to be told what to do however people will always have a need to ask for help when they need it. So think of it as an extra set of skills if you have access to.
Also, I'd like to highlight the difference of being helped and being ordered what to do as it may get confused with each other. In some cases people may have to follow instructions when being helped so its not fair to say they are ordering you around when they are literally trying to help or doing their job to complete the task.
So being in a relationship will result is some power dynamics and how much of a difference in power will always vary.
Another thing to consider is that people can be independent to an extent because no one can do everything and we interact with people everyday so we have to learn to trust and work with others. If you block out everyone and cannot work with them or follow instructions then you are going to have a hard time.
The only area of expertise that i can think of is the creative industry where its just all ideas and art however that has its limitations in being independent too as they need resources thus need to interact with people to sell and market and resupply. So yeah... Lots of things go in to consideration.
I know you mean that you can function on your own and be self sufficient however when you say you don't like to be told what to do triggered me as people will always be told what to do. Ok im going to end here.
Wow I understand that ambiguity between dominance and subservient, it's just like a state of floating which for some reason guys don't like. My guy friend once said I look unreliable because I may go away when things are difficult. Which is true, but also just a meaner way to say 'have low tolerance for bullshit'. In context, we were talking about what I'd do if my partner cheats, and I say 'well, sounds like both of us want to be single again'. Because, yeah, being single is not bad.
I guess my flaw is that I don’t understand authority in the context of a romantic relationship. Can’t we just do our things and just coexist together? But I guess a lot of people want something else?
I agree with your view on romantic relationships.
Why is it so awful to want an equal relationship? I don't like being bossed around and I don't have a tolerance for bs or asshole behavior. I do think problems can be fixed and relationships need work but I don't need a relationship that's just constantly making me unhappy. Also I respect other people's opinions and right to their own wants and needs, time and space, so I have no need to boss anyone around either. So if my uneagerness to be bossed around or be the one constantly having to tell them what to do is a dealbreaker to someone then me and them are clearly not meant to be.
Neither of you is understanding what the words mean, partly because of your privileged experience. An authority is someone with great expertise, knowledge, and wisdom of something. In interaction with someone, the person who knows themself is an authority on themself. The person who knows themself AND 'sees' people tends to be more an authority on those people than they are - and will catch them and let them know - and it depends on the ability of the person/people in question to realise and admit.
That makes sense at work or education, but I don’t understand it makes sense romantically.
A lot of the power issues aren’t even things that seem to matter - like what clothes the other partner should wear or if they read instead of watch television.
Okay @Opinion owner and everyone else, not sure which comment is directed at who.
However, I will try to answer all of the following questions. As is this issue in regards to... Being a leader and follower; Giving orders and following them. To be clear there will always be a power difference in these cases where there are leaders and followers. And this can be applied in many situations. This is different from the... Gender discrimination we see and face today in the US and other countries.
I'd like to say the power between men and women have never been equal throughout history. Now I know people mix this up a lot without knowing this because it is actually built-in to our culture and social norms. It's invisible to us because its well... Normal for males at least to realize this. I can say that because of the women's March that demonstrated how many of them are aware.
Now going back to being independent in a relationship is possible and finding that one is hard but I would not say impossible. The power band in relationships tend to sway in the women's favor at times too as there's a say that goes "Happy wife, happy life" now this is just me coming from a city background in California. And conflicts happen in relationships its inevitable, they have to work through those conflict and change will happen (good or bad).
And i like to point out in American history at least that women fought for power through their husband. It was for the women's rights and right to vote. Now we may refer to it as a point in time as where women for seen as equal but as we stand today it is certainly not true and the battle is far from over.
Now drawing back to one of the possible reasons is throughout history the female was seen or still seen as inferior. In almost all cases and countries that is true. Because men had the power to make decisions and also the responsibility to protect women and children (over arching hero of you will) and that power was also technically given up to them for the most part because way way back was due to the fact that our reproductive cycle leave women and children vulnerable as children are inherently weak in most cases and women are in a weakened state. Now fast forward in modern day, we no longer have that worry in more developed countries, and the disparity between male and female can be reflected upon how we see each other today.
Males are dominant and independent. While women are subservient and dependent. Male's are bread winners and women are caregivers (housewife).
And i can go on and on. This is still based mainly in the US. So now the question is how do we define equity between men and women and what would have to change to progress that? Because this is now a matter of society and our social construct. Are men no longer hero's in stories Or are women no longer damsels in distress. Or do we reverse it? Women are heros and men are in distress. Or there are no heros and no one needs to be saved. I tackle media because it is the greatest way to spread ideas. But this is something ingrained in our societal norm. How do we treat women equally without assuming they need help with everything? Does chivalry die? Or how do we change the notion that men should hold the door for women?
The implications of changing the norm is difficult if we continue to do and say the exact same things over and over again. This is also reflective upon religion as it is rigid and does not change a lot over time.
However this does not mean that your intimate relationship is rested upon this idea because individuals are more surprising than the masses. So as I initially stated for the opinion owner is to continue to find an intimate relationship if you do desire to be in one.
@anonChineseMale : humans just need to adopt my concept of Funxionality. But they's need things hard, they need to feel accomplished, and their lives are fucked because of it (people never hear Jim Garrison's words in JFK when I say that last...).
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there are one typical type since my aunt is like that. She'll be doing what she likes, giving up the weight of caring the children, loving the only fro the whole life. what makes her? I suppose this instability and non-loyalty of her surroundings, i mean close ones makes her. you see no one want to go changing our love ones every time when it comes to the time she completely broke, like you asked she'll be too independent or too free spirited. I think too independent and free spirited is a positive for a woman who stays alone. but no one including men, hated by those of woman can't stay alone forever. at least we have to talk to our parents at young ages and corresponding ones at old ages.
my dream is to independent and be free, breaking some assumptions of strict gender roles as some are unnecessary fro today. I love children don't blame so fast. I know what it's feel like growing up without the emotional support of own mother. but a woman became free spirited or independent when she knows no one including her family doesn't care her. that's what all I can tell.
As lazy as men are... we want to feel needed. We already know we’re wanted but needed is different. Needed is that cliche moment when the girl gets startled and grabs the mans arm. Or that “here hun, let me open that jar” and you should let us. Not because you’re to weak to open the jar or cause you could beat up whatever scary thing was hiding in the night. But because men need a purpose. And if we’re with you. You are our purpose let us try to fix the washer or grill a steak. Maybe we suck at it but it’s a matter of personal pride. As for being free spirited- that is a whole other thing, I personally love a women who is open to all the possibilities. Go ahead be free go with the flow see what’s out there And I’d support her through any and all endeavors she chooses to pursue
I don't think there is such a thing as "too independent" or "too free spirited." I'd be alright in a relationship with someone like that.
Now, there is a degree to which you have to compromise in order to be in a relationship. Being in a relationship means both partners compromise in order to find middle ground, and if a woman (or a man) is so "free spirited" that they don't compromise, ever, then they can't be in a relationship.
But in terms of a woman specifically being too free spirited, it's not a problem.
Pretty much someone who likes to do too much of what isn't expected of a female, or a girl who goes out of her way to show she is free to do what she wants.
Overly independent attitudes are usually just a person trying to hard to show they are capable of being however they want.
This is opposite of the average guy or girl who are also independent but don't feel the need to express it every time they see an opportunity.
It could be bad to be overly free spirited or it could be just fine. It really all depends on what you are doing that brought up the question in the first place.
Also sometimes people will call someone overly free spirited or independent if they personally just do not like what you are doing and that could just be a difference in opinions and mindset.
But like I said it all depends. 😉
I wouldn't say "too much", just "too much for me". Not everyone's personality is conducive with one another. One person could be horrible with you and amazing if she does find the right guy.
But for me there's nothing wrong with the free spirit, independent personality trait. What I do have an issue with is if she makes such a strong identity out of it that she does anything to protect that image of herself and can't just be. Like if we go somewhere together she HAS TO drive, because she doesn't NEED me to drive and can do it herself. Or she HAS TO open her door, because she doesn't NEED me to. Basically just getting caught up in little bullshit that really doesn't matter is where it becomes too much for me. Like girls who try to get a "power" position in a handshake, rather than relaxing and just being an equal. Oftentimes girls like that view relationships as a power struggle, when that's not how I view a relationship.
Too independent
Some or maybe most guys feel like they need to take care of women. If she doesn't show him that she needs his care, he might feel rejected. She is usually the "alpha female", wears the pants type of girl. She probably had a tough time growing up and trust issues. It's her way, or the highway.
Too free spirited
She's just... takes things too easy. lack of responsibilities. She doesn't have a care in the world. Guys who want to start a family might interpret this as childish behavior. she could be the "less is more" type of girl, and don't expect much in life. She's content at where she is.
There's nothing wrong with these 2 types. If they meet the right guy it'll be a wonderful relationship i'd imagine.
I think being "too independent" or "too free-spirited" as a woman would mean that she actually doesn't care about being a woman at all? For example, like being a mother, or a girlfriend, or a wife, she isn't interested in any of these gender-specific roles and would rather just be what she wants. Which isn't necessarily wrong, but my mother is like this, and quite honestly, growing up without a mother for a child is rough.
It’s a great question because it’s a matter of perspective, often self-proclaimed independent free-spirited people, are actually behaving the way they are, because they are being financially supported by a trust fund or on student loans or whatever, and not truly independent.
But what I think you are referring to, is more about how guys perceive a woman who is free-spirited to the point, the guy feels, well, let her do her own self-discovery thing, as that is what is most important to her, and any guy she thinks may compromise that, in her mind, isn’t a guy she thinks respects her “individualism” or “values” and that is when it gets too much, as it just went from free-spirited to narcissism, as it’s all about her, and her lack of ability to compromise, yet wants the best of both worlds, and doesn’t have the consideration for others she demands herself or moves on... it’s just narcissism and immaturity
Independence is good in a relationship because you're not just hanging on each other or not giving each other any kind of space.
But, with that said, if you're TOO independent, that can be taken as you're not as invested in the partnership as you probably should be. Being in a relationship is a two way street. You both invest time to make the other happy. This includes doing things for and with the other person and being able to trust each other that if something needs done, you can rely them to complete it.
But being too independent can come across as selfish because you don't rely on the other person because you just do everything yourself.
You don't need your partner to do anything for you, and since you're so invested in yourself, you probably don't invest too much into the relationship.
Women like that can be very intimidating because it's almost impossible to figure out how we can make you happy if you don't "need" us for anything.
the first thing that comes to my mind when i hear too independent women, would be those women who say they don't need a man in their life. so yeah mostly buzzfeed/tumbler feminists.
with "free spirited" i don't know, honestly the first thing or to be more precise character that comes into my mind would be stargirl carroway or luna lovegood. The kinda girl who isn't afraid of expressing their true self. Or some one who doesn't really care what people are thinking about them.
But then again i've seen many feminists use free spirited to describe women who sleep around a lot.
Honestly when i hear those words i think of women who really don't empathize with men, who just want to use them for sex, women who don't invest emotionally in any relationship, who just are on this constant pursuit of pleasure. But i guess years of seeing feminist articles might have twisted my mind a lot.
People think it is not much of a big deal, until you experience it like I did. The problem is that the independant, free spirit attitude translates into the relationship. If she is content being free, and independant, then how can they be content in a traditional relationship? Tied down, having to consider the other person in decisions, having to compromise... these things are not in their nature. And a free spirited guy will have the same issues. You think you can handle it because you love them, but the fact is you just end up left out and feeling neglected.
I exactly know what kinda person you are talking about. At-least from the limited info of the description, I can tell that we are discussing about a narcissist here.
Common traits that people observe about such people (men and women) are:
No Empathy
Expression of emotions only when they are getting something out of it
Using people for their own good
Talking about how they are so amazing constantly, not necessarily directly though
Superficial behavior, lots of gifts sometimes
When such a person is your partner, they often accuse you of questioning their fidelity
Extremely persuasive
etc
All these are traits of such people. They justify any negative trait when identified under their freedom and independence. And, sometimes even deny that they have any negative traits to begin with.
Also, often these kinda people are happy go lucky and bubbly on the outside
There isn't. They just haven't found the pack the a supposed to run with yet, or the mate strong willed to not only match their free independent free spirtn, but also compliment it... They are out there, roaming alone or with part of the pack feeling like she does.
I've never heard of this, but it sounds like a woman who wants her freedom and the ability to live how she wants, which is okay, but maybe it's bad to the point where she has no boundaries and has made herself her own god and doesn't answer to anyone or anything; free-spirited but with no regard to what others might ask or need from her because she's too in love with herself and her own authority.
@Monalisamaryangela I understood your question entirely. I did describe TO ME what it would seem like, not exactly how she perceives herself because how I see her would not be how she sees herself.
Yes, thank you, you did it correctly but there were others who didn't.
I don't think a woman can be "too independent". If she's happy that way, then it's her choice to be free. I personally love being independent and free after getting out of a toxic relationship where my ex was extremely controlling. I love that my happiness no longer depends on a guy.
A woman who goes way too hard on herself... almost forcing herself to work against gender roles even if it gets wayay too stressful on her. A woman who does not like making compromises and feels guilty for feeling dependent on her partner.
I alwaus say this. Women have to stop being too hard on themselves.
From my perspective, a too free sprited woman is someone who doesn't put love and family before her adventures and hobbies. Someone who doesn't want to settle down. I on the other hand seek to settle down and want to start a family. I don't need adventures, just the occasional vacation. That's not to Sat being free spirited is bad, just not someone I would be with.
*not to say
I think you’re referring to Frenchwomen. Inner strength, emotional honesty, many-sided spiritual integrity.
Personally I’ve never met a woman ‘too’ free spirited. If you expect monogamous behavior--well then, sure women like that are ‘too’ free spirited.
When I think of too independent and too free spirited I think two diverging stereotypes. Put them together I guess I think of a woman who likes travel, and not waiting for others to join when she wants something, and being a heartbreaker because she's not looking to fall in love and isn't going to slow down just because some guys declares his love for her
Being too independent doesn't allow your partner for any chance in making a significant difference in your life. Being too free-spirited can often mean that you have no real opinions of your own. Look there is almost always a downside to being too black or too white in any situation... Extreme personality are almost always unhealthy. Anyone who has ever seen the show Wife Swap can attest to this. It is the main reason the show is so entertaining. Life is all about moderation.
That’s a female who doesn’t rely on people or one main emotional source (eg boyfriend/husband). She may decide to pay her dinner bill or pump her own gas, fix her own car tire and pay all her expenses just to prove that she’s not feminized too much or expecting to be carried or saved by a man. She will also prefer to live alone if she’s dating so as not to feel obligated to let her partner know her goings and comings.
A woman who sleeps around.
Has no aim for anything and "will figure things out" or enjoys "being spontaneous".
A woman who has no care for her future or the consequences of her actions solely cares about pleaseure and self satisfaction in the moment.
These don't have to be connected. Any one of them I would consider too free spirited.
In a relationship one of the things that makes things work, is feeling needed.. if you don't feel needed you feel disconnected from the person you're with. A woman that is too free spirited , too independent would constantly reinforce the fact that I'm not needed in the relationship. In this case by the way need and want to hand in hand.
Go hand in hand, not to hand in hand.. I HATE typing on my phone.
To me, it means closed off, not ready for change, arrogant in many cases. I see many who are 'independent' fail relationship after relationship because they dont know how to treat people. can't hold friends. I dont see what women class as 'independent' as a good thing.
I belie you... spot on... independent women in 2018 are extremely self centered in relationship's... the trick to them is simple , if she believes so much in been independent then ensure you of a hight status in that environment if not she'll leave you or cheat on you with other pple... are age will determine also what she see as a high status
Its great to have your own money and not need someone but do you know what is better? Being able to rely on someone when you need, be able to have that support and emotional backing. Its alright to be alone and 'independent' but its way more fun as a team in my experience... its nothing to do with being needy or co-dependent.
I learnt my lesson... this is on personality type u gatta to avoid... the baggage unbelievable... they actually very far from independent also... it's almost like they wish to be independent so they always mention it... last too narcissistic
For me those are great qualities BUT independence and free spirited that really mean I'm going to do what I want to do and you have to deal with it" is a no go. As an example, a friend of mine entered into a great relationship and she moved in with him. He paid for the home, utilities, food, etc. When her truck died, she wanted him to give her a truck and she wanted to go rodeo around the country. She was a free spirit, but unwilling to contribute to the relationship. That's just using someone.
Someone who is "too independent" finds no need to have a partner because they can do everything by themselves. Having a partner who is like that can make a person feel unwanted or needed. Someone who is "too free spirited" acts primarily on their emotions and doesn't base their thinking on logic. Sometimes they don't think at all.
I feel like when they say that, they don't really mean too independent, they mean something else.
Not like it's a big deal, but I live on my own, am studyng with chances of a good job and can do everything I need to do to not need another person's help to survive. I love doing things together with people though.
I fixed my boyfriend's bike for him too :)
But those things seem pretty normal for a girl in my area, or just as normal as they are for a guy.
Sexy as hell. Strong. Confident. Ambitious. Badass.
To me: too independent is never needing anyone, to the point if hardly letting anyone in, or showing any vulnerability. Too free spirited is someone who is not grounded enough, and lives a very 'head in the clouds' life. Both of these are very much not in my taste. Independence and a strong spirit are both very important, but in the extreme they are worse than too little
When it crosses the line from not asking for help because she doesn't need it, to not asking for help in order to be "independent"
She spends her 20's sleeping around, then whe gets into her 30's and winds up constantly complaining about how she cannot find a good man.
Then she marries some guy who she would have never touched in her 20's and winds up hating his guts because he is what she had to settle for.
Realest shit ever hahaha... Im currently with someone like this, we took a breaj last week and I'm definitely not going back... women who claim independent are so toxic... she's always claiming how she's independent but she'll always ask for material things like it's her right... very ironic like some have mentioned
Yeah, relationships should be built on teamwork and shared experiences, who wants to be with someone who is constantly telling you how much they don't need you while at the same time demanding access to your wallet!
To independent/free spirited for What? The only thing I can think of is a relationship, if your too independent then you don't feel like your even in a relationship with them. To free spirited, had this issue with an ex. She hardly spent any time around because she was always going off somewhere for a few months. She thought she wanted a relationship but she wanted to wander more.
Outside of that context I'm not sure I agree that too independant/free spirited exists.
I don't think someone can be too independant. The real question is : are both people in the relation happy. Lets say a woman is very independant, if her partner needs more attention, she should take it into consideration. It's her choice to not do so, but the partner shouln't stay with someone that dosn't make him happy or don't love him enough to try to.
Thus said, my general advice is : both partners should discuss about it. A relationship is made of compromises from borh sides.
There is no such thing as too independent unless its like brushing off proffesionals or whatever. Rock the power y'all
There is nothing wrong with an independent and free spirited woman, per se.
The problem is that every woman I've ever known who called herself an "independent woman" had a chip on her shoulder and something to prove, and had "I don't need a man" stamped on her forehead.
Any good relationship is build on satisfying each others needs, and a man has no use for a woman who doesn't need a man.
A woman who intentionally shuts people out of her life who are trying to help her.
I like this ! On a scale 1-10 she would be an eight. Now if she is higher on this scale like an eleven then she would be a gold digger !
Now this 8 has to have an education, her own place, if married automatically becomes a seven !
On with miss Eight just has to have a smile. That makes all the boys excited but she's not down like that. When offered a ride she wants to drive. Nothing compares best of everything. She can be lonely and knows where the attention is at?
Being too independent means you do not like help ever with anything you are capable of doing yourself. It can make the person you are with feel not valued at all. It can makey it hard to find someone to be with.
Her confidence within herself she doesn't judge so it doesn't matter if somebody judges her because she knows the truth now as for a two independent or two free-spirited I don't have a clue what do you think it is
In 2018 nobody is holding western women down to any expectations.
I like smart, independent women. I don't like women who have to TELL ME and run their mouths about being free and independent. That's just insecurity disguised as false confidence. Men lose respect for you when you do that shit.
Too independent is usually a code-word for narcissim. Most of these girls who describe themselves are "too independent" and/or "too free-spirited" are major bitches, hoes and/or look down on other people.
Also most of them are neither specifically independent nor free-spirited. Someone who is either of them doesn't need to keep telling that. That person would just prove it through actions.
Nice way to talk about people...
But my question was actually about the women people (and especially men) would call "too independent" or "too free spirited", not women who call themselves that. I was asking for your opinions on what you think makes a woman "too independent" or "too free spirited".
It's a terminology mostly women use. For guys it is important that the woman also wants to rely on him to a certain amount. Biological reasons of wanting to protect and provide for their woman. That's for the terminology of "too independent". "too free spirited" I have never ever heard a guy use.
a free woman is one who makes her choices regardless of popular, social, cultural pressure. If she is happy being a mother and a housewife, she chooses this path. If she is happy being a scientist, she chooses this path. If she wants to pursue a professional career and reconcile a career with a family, she chooses this path
She has high standard, high mainenc, she is a boss, a leader she is in control of her life. She doesn't care what other people think about her.
There’s no such thing as a woman who is too independent or too free-spirited. People don’t place that description on a man, so there’s no reason to describe a woman like that either.
We call those men cocky and bums
That’s different than being too independent or free spirited
Noone is too much of something. It depends in the person she wants to like her. Some guys don't like when the girls is around and want to make holidays with their friends and not with there girlfriend. I prefer to be always around my girlfriend. So I am into extremely needy girls
There is a big difference between genuine free spirited and being independent , and remaining a pleasant and feminine woman , and a " Strong Independent Womyn TM " , which tends to be obnoxious and in most cases , negative towards men.
An independent woman does not allow a man to even be a man which to open the door for her to buy her a drink that is to Independence that is annoyingly retarded. That is when she should just retire with a thousand cats because it is
They always seem distant, hard to connect with as they are shut off from their outside world. Too serious and can't chill out, inflexible in everything they do. Their way or the highway it seems.
If you describe a woman with these words it's not because she's too much, you're just not enough
She can be as free as she wants. Problem arises when other attributes like stubborness, pridefulness, and selfishness dominate her attitude
She has no time or interest in spending time with a man. Her priority is on herself. She sees herself as her only priority, she's the top level of importance.
One that doesn't care about anyone else's needs, emotionally unavailable, disappears on people for extended periods
Maybe like if you can't just be thankfull when somebody opens a door for you
It just means she's too interested in the cock carousel to be a decent woman and marry a decent bloke. She won't think that way once she's in her 30s and her vagina looks like roast beef
When she is so feels so free she give zero fucks about how affects everyone's freedom around her.
If u mean in positive way who doesn't need help m can do everything on her own. If it means in negative definitely a problematic n who doesn't care anyone and just goes on her own
If she doesn't care about me if its all the same for her with or without me then there is no meaning of putting any effort with her so i would skip that much independend person.
sweet wet dreams and non-science fiction make her independent. Normally she's not.
That would be a woman who is afraid of nothing. I feel that one thing that grounds humans is the fact that we're all afraid of something, which can keep spirit and dependency into some order.
My guy friend describes me as independent and a bit fiery too. Whatever that means.
I have respect from guy friends though so it’s not as bad or extreme as lots of these guys are making out.
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