Nope. It's not acceptable and it's not okay to accept the unacceptable. Unfortunately people think that it's okay or at least it's not as wrong as a man sexually harassing a woman which is wrong too.
1) People think it is okay or less wrong because men desire sex anyway. In fact, I came across guys who admitted that they liked what happened with them when I thought what happened to them was fucking disgusting. Men's brains may just work differently but, my problem is that the woman who harassed still did a wrong thing and she still had an ill intention plus because there are some men out there who liked what happened with them, there are still men who are hurt from their experience and they certainly deserve justice. It's so unfair when male victims are shut down by their own male friends and even policemen because 'he is lucky and he should have enjoyed it'.
2) People think it is not wrong or not as wrong because women are not as physically strong as men and can't hurt men as violently as men can hurt women. What they don't realize that mental/emotional pain is still a thing and it hurts more than physical pain. But there are several ways to physically hurt someone that doesn't require muscles. Even if a woman doesn't hurt a man physically the victim might still be just as much traumatized and deserves medical attention as needed.
3) People have always associated masculinity with strength, aggressiveness and dominance and femininity with weakness, submissiveness and passiveness. When a man is harassed by a woman it's hard for people to accept that a man has been dominated over by the weaker sex, hence he is weak. People always hated men showing any characteristic associated with femininity because women were considered the second class/inferior/weaker sex so any man showing their traits has been frowned upon.
So yes, it is the patriarchal society putting men and masculinity up in a pedestal that causes the injustice towards male victims that tarnish the ideal image of superior male in their eyes. This is why feminists say that patriarchy hurts men too.
To your point, sexual harassment shouldn't be okay for anyone to have to endure.
Now reality: There are many guys and girls alike who view something like the butt grab scenario as cute or flirty even if the victim does not. They will laugh and make light of the situation and guys will high five the guy like, good for you bro--go get that. It's like there are literal societal rewards for men who get harassed. If said guy complains, a lot of people would say to him, take it as a compliment rather than have it be seen as harassment especially since women in general don't tend to be aggressive when it comes to normal flirting (though, to be clear, this is NOT flirting)...but some view it as such, like, it's no big deal. We see this in trials a lot where a teacher is having sex with a male student or doing inappropriate things. Again, you have a lot of people saying "what's the problem."
So then it becomes how, as a man are you going to get anyone on your side if even other guys don't think it's a problem. Women, especially now, have entire support networks to help them and are more likely to believe now, with metoo, that allegations need to be taken seriously. There also isn't this sort of pervasive "girls club" where women congratulate each other for the boss making sexual innuendos at them. So it's more silence, and some of these female predators are allowed to continue for the most part, being unchecked.
Of course. As long as a woman is doing it against a man she is allowed to do (according to society) what ever she wants. That's why sexual harassment against men is ignored outright (or the guy is told he should feel flattered (basically all the things women claim they are told but are not)). Same with rape which is just as common as male on female rape but we refuse to acknowledge it so we can pretend that only women are victims. Its just what it is and women will never acknowledge it because its a privilege they have and their greatest power in society is being victims (they play a victim and get out of pretty much any consequences, they get special privileges for playing the victim etc.) and by acknowledging their own agency and ability to harm men they would lose that advantage.
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It’s probably best for there to be a universal rule and understanding that this behavior is not warranted for either sex to commit, but I don’t think it’s exactly equal in strictly biological terms.
Biologically speaking, men seek out QUANTITY, while women seek out QUALITY, in terms of finding a partner to spread one’s genes over to the next generation. Also, men pose a much greater physical threat to men than women do to men, so a random man approaching you and physically putting hands on you, can be more traumatic for a woman than it would be if a woman did the same to a man. For women, they want to be selective and careful on who they become sexually active with, so unwanted sexual advances from random men these women haven’t vetted is scary and dangerous for her, whereas men welcome this behavior because they want as much female attention as they can get to facilitate their biological programming.
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It's not ok, but some people view it as ok. I suppose this happen due to wrong generalizations such as "men always want sex or sexual intercourse". Many men and women believe this as a truth. I've seen both men and women in this forum state this quote or variants many times.
This causes that some woman think harassing a man is not wrong because "men always like sexual intercourse".
In case of men that believe this faulty generalization about themselves... they might think the harassed guy is "lucky", don't understand the complaints he could have and if they are plain idiots they could mock at the harassed guy if he complaints by putting in doubt their virility.
No
Dont fucking touch me
Stay out of my bubble unless youve been given permission
I mean that with all the love and seriousness in the world
Do not touch me unless we are in on a date and you want to get flirty.
If you're a stranger, man or woman, and you just randomly grab my ass, i will backhand the shit out of you.
To many i assume that sounds really harsh, but with the life I've lived, you do not get to stand behind me unless i trust you with my life.
No surprise hugs
No covering my eyes and saying "guess who"
Someone about to be injured if you dont let go of me and back the hell up unless you know me like that.
My life wasn't sunshine and rainbows, and trust is something that is earned, not given.
Do not touch anyone without their express consent.
You wouldn't get mad at a woman if she knew self defense and flipped you over her shoulder?
Dont get mad at me if you get an elbow in the face
That simple
No double standards for the genders, no exceptions.
That is equality
Well, have any of you seen the movie bambi? Cause I don't know if it was the fucking rabbits or something, but the girl was like kissing and being obsessed with the male, and especially in that time, I’m guessing people would look at it as cute/fun. I guess it’s the fact that, a girl can most likely not actually pshyically hurt you, not as much as a man can to a girl. And we get this idea that men won’t mind, they’re men they’ll fuck anyone. Something like that, but I think it has something to do with guys being masculine, so that if a girl does something she’s probably not hurting you and you could literally make her stop in a second, but getting harrassed as a girl, it’s like.. you can’t really do anything to stop it, and men can easily rape girls. But ofc it’s still not okay being done to men, but not everyone understands that and they think they won’t mind or that they’ll think it’s hot just cause they’re men and men are ‘horny all the time’
Oof ok I don't know
By law, it is sexual harassment or assault regardless of gender.
By society's standards, it's okay with most people.
I think it's wrong both ways and something needs to be changed. The whole "I can touch you but you can't touch me" should be eliminated unless it's during a lap dance at a strip club or something. Unfortunately, any man who brings this issue to the table will be taken down and called a misogynist. It's ridiculous. If a guy is not comfortable with having a random women grab his groin then that makes him a misogynist? WTF?
This topic goes too far deep to actually discuss it in just a few comments. Bottom line is that socially, most people don't take seriously sexual accusations against women, while those against men are mostly exaggerated. This leads to a spread misconception on what is ok to do and what is not, mostly girls enjoying a double standard of "I can touch you however I want because no one is going to believe you were sexually assaulted by a woman, but if you touch me, or make me think that you speak rude to me, you go to jail". I don't know how it is in every country, or in every particular place in the world, but generally, women have a big advantage in this area by playing the victim and downplaying men.
It's not ok at all, but that's how reality is, until more people will get educated on important matters, if that will truly ever happen.
Absolutely! Girls have NO IDEA how good they have it!!
One night, I was standing on a street waiting for a bus to go home when this big fat black chick walks up behind me, slaps her hand up my crotch from behind and just keeps walking! If I would've done that to her, I'd have been in court faster than you can say, Bill Clinton!!
Here's the rub, if a guy does it to a girl, it's considered molestation sand she has every right to beat the shit out of the guy for doing it BUT, if a girl does it to a guy, it's ALL a big joke and he's expected to just take it! AND, because guys aren't supposed to hit girls, he CAN'T really do anything about it the way she can or, he STILL goes to jail!! Talk about a double-standard!! Also, if she feels him up and then he goes tit for tat and feels her up, AGAIN, HE gets into trouble for it and SHE walks away Scott free!!
Men or women, it should be equal. Whenever you grab someone's ass or cocks or pussies without their consent / against their will, that's called sexual harassment or even worse, assaults. It's funny how everytime I talk shit about those random hoes then people would be like, Oh dude stop it it's not worthy and leave these women alone. I'm sorry what the fuck? They diss me at first by being rude to me, and I have the rights to defend my point of view. Jesus fucking Christ, get your heads straight and get your fingers out of your butthole.
Yes, my friend is a musician and the amount of women that grope his ass is unbelievable; can you imagine is a female musician got this? Straight in the slammer.
It’s a double standard. But since women are usually much more discreet about who they are and are not attracted too it removes guesswork (if he thinks she is attractive which is a toss up).
But I’ve had a morbidly obese chic slap my butt in a bar and that pissed me off. I was way out her league and she was a disgusting creep to do that. But I also had a cute 19 yr old girl slap my butt hard one time out of nowhere. She came out of nowhere then smiled and ran away.
Like almost anything if you are attractive you get leeway. If you are not you are a creep.
What women consider attractive in men is much more complicated than both what men/women find attractive in women.
Yes. No doubt about it.
I've been sexually harassed many many times and never, not even once, has anyone stepped up and said something to the girls.
People don't care when a woman harasses man, that's why nobody does anything.
I think it's ridiculous how we're in this post-metoo era, where women demand men to stand up to other men who sexually harass women, yet these same women don't have the decency to say anything when it's a woman who does the harassment.
I don't get riled up very easily, but this is one of those topics, one of those double standards that bothers me a lot, because I've been what, a lot of people would call a "victim", yet nobody has done anything, nobody has helped me like they demand to be helped.
Hell no. Sexual Harassment is something that is just starting to be prosecuted against at the right level. Men’s views of themselves are the reason it may seem like society doesn’t care about men being sexually harassed as much... men don’t want to seem “lame” or “weak” by saying they are uncomfortable with something that happened to them or to say they were taken advantage of... It’s a sad world we live in ✊🏻.
The difference is that when it's done to men it's not harassment.
At least a lot of times. Most men don't seem to have a problem with it, so obviouly it is okay in those cases, which are a lot more than when it is done to women. But course a man also has a right not to be harassed sexually and if he considers it to be harassment then it is of course not okay.
I feel like not only do a lot of guys not have a problem with it, but because of that a lot of those don't understand how other possibly could have, and therefor don't take it for serious when another guy complains about being harassed. And if a lot of guys think so then of course a lot of girls will also start to think it's okay.
It happened women and a couple of men harassed me in the office and nobody did anything bout it, I had to work my way up to get them fired or removed. You have to do yourself the justice nowadays.
The only girl and guy still here are there because they are still useful for something, but I'm getting rid of them the first good occasion.
I think it's rather obvious. Women don't want men they don't like touching them. Period. Whereas men don't mind being touched by girls and probably even like it. There's no arguments to be had. Each sex comes with its own comfort levels for being touched for their own reasons.
It is not ok.
Its just, the reality is women do that much much less than guys do. 😅 because we basically naturally have no that kind of attitude.
When we see a sexy guy, what we do mostly is just staring.
If a woman does that, wow, very2 few do that, i dunno what kind of woman is it, but must be very aggressive one, there is something wrong with her.
Sexual harassment is NEVER ok. I dont care if you're man, woman, trans, gay, lesbian etc. It's still UNACCEPTABLE
Its wrong.
But having other people, especially other guys hear you are "sexually harassed"
by a woman, they would cheer on you and call you a stud.
Because the opinion of men being "harassers" and women being "nice and cute"
keeps rolling on in this crazy time. I mean, just look at divorce courts. Its all about
that harassment, and its very hard for a man to prove himself not guilty because
of the collective norm.
It's different for men and women!! I don't have a problem with a little casual touching, and caressing by a woman. Also, female doctors seem so unsure, and concerned with male patients, and some kinds of examinations, that are totally normal. Not a big deal, but never been in a situation, when I felt that I was 'abused'!
It's just one of many things that men have to tolerate where it would be taken extremely seriously if the victim was a girl. But I think truthfully most men just aren't as sensitive to it, I've had gross drunk older woman grabbing at me when I was out during uni but I just laughed it off. Some guys would be sensitive though, but people assume that a guy always wants it... Flip that to women and say she clearly wants it because of what she was wearing and its a different story.
There is a social tendency to OK sexual harassment toward men I know professional men who have put up with sexual harassment by women, because of social and work related issues. Just as some women have put up with the same, for the same reasons. I've also has my ass pinched at work, and have never pinched a girls ass at work. I didn't complain because I knew the girls were not trying to get in my pants, and were just kidding around, and it happened very infrequently.
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