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Nope. It's not acceptable and it's not okay to accept the unacceptable. Unfortunately people think that it's okay or at least it's not as wrong as a man sexually harassing a woman which is wrong too.
1) People think it is okay or less wrong because men desire sex anyway. In fact, I came across guys who admitted that they liked what happened with them when I thought what happened to them was fucking disgusting. Men's brains may just work differently but, my problem is that the woman who harassed still did a wrong thing and she still had an ill intention plus because there are some men out there who liked what happened with them, there are still men who are hurt from their experience and they certainly deserve justice. It's so unfair when male victims are shut down by their own male friends and even policemen because 'he is lucky and he should have enjoyed it'.
2) People think it is not wrong or not as wrong because women are not as physically strong as men and can't hurt men as violently as men can hurt women. What they don't realize that mental/emotional pain is still a thing and it hurts more than physical pain. But there are several ways to physically hurt someone that doesn't require muscles. Even if a woman doesn't hurt a man physically the victim might still be just as much traumatized and deserves medical attention as needed.
3) People have always associated masculinity with strength, aggressiveness and dominance and femininity with weakness, submissiveness and passiveness. When a man is harassed by a woman it's hard for people to accept that a man has been dominated over by the weaker sex, hence he is weak. People always hated men showing any characteristic associated with femininity because women were considered the second class/inferior/weaker sex so any man showing their traits has been frowned upon.
So yes, it is the patriarchal society putting men and masculinity up in a pedestal that causes the injustice towards male victims that tarnish the ideal image of superior male in their eyes. This is why feminists say that patriarchy hurts men too.
Patriarchy is a social system in which men hold primary power and predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property. Some patriarchal societies are also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage.
So are you not allowed to own property? Are you not allowed to rise to position in power?
In short we dont live in patriarchal society.
Ps. Saying: "your man you should like it", while female rapes guy, its the same if girl is wet so she wants it and it isn't rape. Equality at its finest ;)
To your point, sexual harassment shouldn't be okay for anyone to have to endure.
Now reality: There are many guys and girls alike who view something like the butt grab scenario as cute or flirty even if the victim does not. They will laugh and make light of the situation and guys will high five the guy like, good for you bro--go get that. It's like there are literal societal rewards for men who get harassed. If said guy complains, a lot of people would say to him, take it as a compliment rather than have it be seen as harassment especially since women in general don't tend to be aggressive when it comes to normal flirting (though, to be clear, this is NOT flirting)...but some view it as such, like, it's no big deal. We see this in trials a lot where a teacher is having sex with a male student or doing inappropriate things. Again, you have a lot of people saying "what's the problem."
So then it becomes how, as a man are you going to get anyone on your side if even other guys don't think it's a problem. Women, especially now, have entire support networks to help them and are more likely to believe now, with metoo, that allegations need to be taken seriously. There also isn't this sort of pervasive "girls club" where women congratulate each other for the boss making sexual innuendos at them. So it's more silence, and some of these female predators are allowed to continue for the most part, being unchecked.
Well it’s the same power dynamic at work the male boss is only touching his female employees because he hold the power to decide if she get a promotion or a movie deal. It’s the same thing in the real world. Women have the power to be taken seriously because if a man is accused he can be beat up and sent to jail. So just like the women who is being sexual harassed at work the man feel the same level of powerlessness.
Men have the same similar issue----they need to be believed and supported, but unfortunately guys are less likely to support a male co-worker or a guy who reports harassment because a lot of them don't think it is or can't be "that serious" as to warrant charges being filed. He is literally made fun of for not taking it on the chin or as a compliment.
I agree with you on this issue that a lot of women make light of this, but I also think your own gender needs to support themselves first because how else is anyone going to care as much as they should about this issue? When the metoo thing evolved to the mainstream, there were still a lot of questions to women as to why they didn't come out and say these things sooner, but look at the culture---there was not a lot of open support---men need other men to say this happened to me, not laughing in the break-room or wherever when a guy is telling other guys what happened and fighting against this type of stuff. It can't just be about finger pointing everywhere but at yourselves either. We're all part of this problem.
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Of course. As long as a woman is doing it against a man she is allowed to do (according to society) what ever she wants. That's why sexual harassment against men is ignored outright (or the guy is told he should feel flattered (basically all the things women claim they are told but are not)). Same with rape which is just as common as male on female rape but we refuse to acknowledge it so we can pretend that only women are victims. Its just what it is and women will never acknowledge it because its a privilege they have and their greatest power in society is being victims (they play a victim and get out of pretty much any consequences, they get special privileges for playing the victim etc.) and by acknowledging their own agency and ability to harm men they would lose that advantage.
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It’s probably best for there to be a universal rule and understanding that this behavior is not warranted for either sex to commit, but I don’t think it’s exactly equal in strictly biological terms.
Biologically speaking, men seek out QUANTITY, while women seek out QUALITY, in terms of finding a partner to spread one’s genes over to the next generation. Also, men pose a much greater physical threat to men than women do to men, so a random man approaching you and physically putting hands on you, can be more traumatic for a woman than it would be if a woman did the same to a man. For women, they want to be selective and careful on who they become sexually active with, so unwanted sexual advances from random men these women haven’t vetted is scary and dangerous for her, whereas men welcome this behavior because they want as much female attention as they can get to facilitate their biological programming.
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It's not ok, but some people view it as ok. I suppose this happen due to wrong generalizations such as "men always want sex or sexual intercourse". Many men and women believe this as a truth. I've seen both men and women in this forum state this quote or variants many times.
This causes that some woman think harassing a man is not wrong because "men always like sexual intercourse".
In case of men that believe this faulty generalization about themselves... they might think the harassed guy is "lucky", don't understand the complaints he could have and if they are plain idiots they could mock at the harassed guy if he complaints by putting in doubt their virility.
No
Dont fucking touch me
Stay out of my bubble unless youve been given permission
I mean that with all the love and seriousness in the world
Do not touch me unless we are in on a date and you want to get flirty.
If you're a stranger, man or woman, and you just randomly grab my ass, i will backhand the shit out of you.
To many i assume that sounds really harsh, but with the life I've lived, you do not get to stand behind me unless i trust you with my life.
No surprise hugs
No covering my eyes and saying "guess who"
Someone about to be injured if you dont let go of me and back the hell up unless you know me like that.
My life wasn't sunshine and rainbows, and trust is something that is earned, not given.
Do not touch anyone without their express consent.
You wouldn't get mad at a woman if she knew self defense and flipped you over her shoulder?
Dont get mad at me if you get an elbow in the face
That simple
No double standards for the genders, no exceptions.
That is equality
Well, have any of you seen the movie bambi? Cause I don't know if it was the fucking rabbits or something, but the girl was like kissing and being obsessed with the male, and especially in that time, I’m guessing people would look at it as cute/fun. I guess it’s the fact that, a girl can most likely not actually pshyically hurt you, not as much as a man can to a girl. And we get this idea that men won’t mind, they’re men they’ll fuck anyone. Something like that, but I think it has something to do with guys being masculine, so that if a girl does something she’s probably not hurting you and you could literally make her stop in a second, but getting harrassed as a girl, it’s like.. you can’t really do anything to stop it, and men can easily rape girls. But ofc it’s still not okay being done to men, but not everyone understands that and they think they won’t mind or that they’ll think it’s hot just cause they’re men and men are ‘horny all the time’
Oof ok I don't know
By law, it is sexual harassment or assault regardless of gender.
By society's standards, it's okay with most people.
I think it's wrong both ways and something needs to be changed. The whole "I can touch you but you can't touch me" should be eliminated unless it's during a lap dance at a strip club or something. Unfortunately, any man who brings this issue to the table will be taken down and called a misogynist. It's ridiculous. If a guy is not comfortable with having a random women grab his groin then that makes him a misogynist? WTF?
This topic goes too far deep to actually discuss it in just a few comments. Bottom line is that socially, most people don't take seriously sexual accusations against women, while those against men are mostly exaggerated. This leads to a spread misconception on what is ok to do and what is not, mostly girls enjoying a double standard of "I can touch you however I want because no one is going to believe you were sexually assaulted by a woman, but if you touch me, or make me think that you speak rude to me, you go to jail". I don't know how it is in every country, or in every particular place in the world, but generally, women have a big advantage in this area by playing the victim and downplaying men.
It's not ok at all, but that's how reality is, until more people will get educated on important matters, if that will truly ever happen.
Absolutely! Girls have NO IDEA how good they have it!!
One night, I was standing on a street waiting for a bus to go home when this big fat black chick walks up behind me, slaps her hand up my crotch from behind and just keeps walking! If I would've done that to her, I'd have been in court faster than you can say, Bill Clinton!!
Here's the rub, if a guy does it to a girl, it's considered molestation sand she has every right to beat the shit out of the guy for doing it BUT, if a girl does it to a guy, it's ALL a big joke and he's expected to just take it! AND, because guys aren't supposed to hit girls, he CAN'T really do anything about it the way she can or, he STILL goes to jail!! Talk about a double-standard!! Also, if she feels him up and then he goes tit for tat and feels her up, AGAIN, HE gets into trouble for it and SHE walks away Scott free!!
Men or women, it should be equal. Whenever you grab someone's ass or cocks or pussies without their consent / against their will, that's called sexual harassment or even worse, assaults. It's funny how everytime I talk shit about those random hoes then people would be like, Oh dude stop it it's not worthy and leave these women alone. I'm sorry what the fuck? They diss me at first by being rude to me, and I have the rights to defend my point of view. Jesus fucking Christ, get your heads straight and get your fingers out of your butthole.
Yes, my friend is a musician and the amount of women that grope his ass is unbelievable; can you imagine is a female musician got this? Straight in the slammer.
It’s a double standard. But since women are usually much more discreet about who they are and are not attracted too it removes guesswork (if he thinks she is attractive which is a toss up).
But I’ve had a morbidly obese chic slap my butt in a bar and that pissed me off. I was way out her league and she was a disgusting creep to do that. But I also had a cute 19 yr old girl slap my butt hard one time out of nowhere. She came out of nowhere then smiled and ran away.
Like almost anything if you are attractive you get leeway. If you are not you are a creep.
What women consider attractive in men is much more complicated than both what men/women find attractive in women.
Yes. No doubt about it.
I've been sexually harassed many many times and never, not even once, has anyone stepped up and said something to the girls.
People don't care when a woman harasses man, that's why nobody does anything.
I think it's ridiculous how we're in this post-metoo era, where women demand men to stand up to other men who sexually harass women, yet these same women don't have the decency to say anything when it's a woman who does the harassment.
I don't get riled up very easily, but this is one of those topics, one of those double standards that bothers me a lot, because I've been what, a lot of people would call a "victim", yet nobody has done anything, nobody has helped me like they demand to be helped.
Hell no. Sexual Harassment is something that is just starting to be prosecuted against at the right level. Men’s views of themselves are the reason it may seem like society doesn’t care about men being sexually harassed as much... men don’t want to seem “lame” or “weak” by saying they are uncomfortable with something that happened to them or to say they were taken advantage of... It’s a sad world we live in ✊🏻.
The difference is that when it's done to men it's not harassment.
At least a lot of times. Most men don't seem to have a problem with it, so obviouly it is okay in those cases, which are a lot more than when it is done to women. But course a man also has a right not to be harassed sexually and if he considers it to be harassment then it is of course not okay.
I feel like not only do a lot of guys not have a problem with it, but because of that a lot of those don't understand how other possibly could have, and therefor don't take it for serious when another guy complains about being harassed. And if a lot of guys think so then of course a lot of girls will also start to think it's okay.
It happened women and a couple of men harassed me in the office and nobody did anything bout it, I had to work my way up to get them fired or removed. You have to do yourself the justice nowadays.
The only girl and guy still here are there because they are still useful for something, but I'm getting rid of them the first good occasion.
I think it's rather obvious. Women don't want men they don't like touching them. Period. Whereas men don't mind being touched by girls and probably even like it. There's no arguments to be had. Each sex comes with its own comfort levels for being touched for their own reasons.
what? so you telling me guys would like being touched by fat women? gtfo
I've been groped by women, and did not want it, thank you.
It's universal, you only like to be touched by those you actually like.
It's rather sexist what you just said. If you scream consent all the fucking time and think it's alright and guys want to be touched, You're a bitch! You know rapists don't know that they are raping, they think that no means yes. They don't understand that the other person doesn't want nor do they ever ask. They just assume the other person wants it, JUST LIKE YOU! @vivmatt
My opinion is just a reply to what the OP said. That women have it so good getting touched. Suggesting being touched is good for men and women should feel the same about getting touched. I'm disagreeing to one statement while slightly agreeing to the other. Of course I added a comment saying "there are actions NEITHER sex are okay with". Read properly before replying next time please
Women are more neurotic, that doesn't mean that live more dangerous lives then men.
Just face it, on this one you were wrong, "men don't mind being touched by girls and probably even like it" is wrong.
People liked being touched by people they like, not those they don't like being touched by those they don't.
How could you stereotype? Not all men and women fit into a category like that.
It is not ok.
Its just, the reality is women do that much much less than guys do. 😅 because we basically naturally have no that kind of attitude.
When we see a sexy guy, what we do mostly is just staring.
If a woman does that, wow, very2 few do that, i dunno what kind of woman is it, but must be very aggressive one, there is something wrong with her.
I disagree.. 😅
But i can understand why u said that, maybe based on what u see. Because ur environment, the place u live.
In my case its always the other way around.
U wouldn't say that if u see what happens in india.
I know women in Europe or america become more agressive, against their true nature.
Sometimes it is not fair to give a judgment just based on what u see from ur experience only and it happens only in ur circle.
Because u dont see what really2 happens in the other side of thr world.
But anyway, still compared to men, women do it much less.
But i still agree more women do that.
I mean i agree more women do that nowadays.
But the number is still much less.
Well there a difference between men and women when it come to being a fan, girls are way more likely to grab a celebrity and try to sleep with them more than a man, so if you still believe that out of 7.3billion humans that half the population does more sexual harassment than the other have, it’s hard to say. But I believe it’s women because it’s not looked at as sexual behaviour.
Almost every time I go to a club I get groped by a woman, I disagree that women do it less
Omg, seriously...
Eergh, i dunno what to say.
Personally i feel "eww" with that behaviour. 😅
That doesn't happen in my country.
If ure American or european, or if it happens in those two, then my opinions are right. Because I've been told by my guy friends, who are dutch and American, women in there become more... agressive. Dont act feminine or classy anymore. I dont like that.
Sexual harassment is NEVER ok. I dont care if you're man, woman, trans, gay, lesbian etc. It's still UNACCEPTABLE
Its wrong.
But having other people, especially other guys hear you are "sexually harassed"
by a woman, they would cheer on you and call you a stud.
Because the opinion of men being "harassers" and women being "nice and cute"
keeps rolling on in this crazy time. I mean, just look at divorce courts. Its all about
that harassment, and its very hard for a man to prove himself not guilty because
of the collective norm.
It's different for men and women!! I don't have a problem with a little casual touching, and caressing by a woman. Also, female doctors seem so unsure, and concerned with male patients, and some kinds of examinations, that are totally normal. Not a big deal, but never been in a situation, when I felt that I was 'abused'!
Women are sexually harassing men all the time but don't look at it that way, and most men don't either. For men, we just don't really get offended by that stuff unless it's particularly cavalier or risqué. We don't take offense to it much.
Women are the squeamish cry babies about any little thing they perceive as sexually threatening.
It's just one of many things that men have to tolerate where it would be taken extremely seriously if the victim was a girl. But I think truthfully most men just aren't as sensitive to it, I've had gross drunk older woman grabbing at me when I was out during uni but I just laughed it off. Some guys would be sensitive though, but people assume that a guy always wants it... Flip that to women and say she clearly wants it because of what she was wearing and its a different story.
There is a social tendency to OK sexual harassment toward men I know professional men who have put up with sexual harassment by women, because of social and work related issues. Just as some women have put up with the same, for the same reasons. I've also has my ass pinched at work, and have never pinched a girls ass at work. I didn't complain because I knew the girls were not trying to get in my pants, and were just kidding around, and it happened very infrequently.
It's never ok but men aren't taken seriously because it's just assumed that they want it
In theory it is not okay but the general society reacts to it less because 1) the concept that men always want sex 2) men can't be overpowered by women and raped just like that so such behaviour from women brings less concern. In reality, it is all about how we treat it ourselves, most men will react differently if an attractive woman grabs their butt or a gay guy does the same. Men won't feel threatened by a woman, at most uncomfortable (I am not justifying such inappropriate behaviour tho).
The average woman can't. Unless she uses substances or is a weight lifter
I’ve slapped peoples butts when I was drunk a couple times at a club. Shouldn’t have but whatever. It’s sexual harassment if it’s unwelcome whether it’s male or female.
Men are viewed as expendable by society. Nobody gives a damn when men are sexually harassed but when women are sexually harassed, the masses go berserk.
The only people who do show outrage and speak out against the sexual harassment of men are the family members of the man who got harassed and the men’s rights activists
Sexual harassment is a decision. If you decide to feel harassed, then it's harassment. If you don't, it's not.
Men are not likely to be so butthurt about being touched sexually. Women are crazy butthurt by it for some reason. That's why they're more inclined to feel harassed making it harassment.
I guess women are just generally more sex negative than men.
Agree and disagree, I think most men have been sexually harassed at some point and they just don’t make a big scene about it
@Benny_Oakley well i personally am not super comfortable if a random girl touches my butt. but i still see it as a compliment and i'm not like "OH MY GOD HOW DARE SHE OBJECTIFY ME LIKE THAT!! I'LL SUE HER"
i mean it's not like it hurts or causes any damage so why the fuck flip your shit about something like that?
Lol, your reasoning is idiotic. Of course it’s not okay but women definitely don’t have it good considering we get raped and sexually assaulted waaaay more than men do. And when we are, we have to always have proof even though in most sexual harassment cases there are none. But now some states want rape victims to carry their rapists baby, too. And if you get the abortion then women and doctors can have a more severe punishment than the rapist.
But please continue to explain how good women have it.
So many butthurt men dislike it
And which states want rape victims to carry the baby
I still dont get dislikes?
It shouldn’t be okay for anyone. I’ll say this though, I was in Florida last summer and on 3 instances, different women came up to me and touched my chest. I did not feel like they were a threat due to the fact that I’m stronger and they couldn’t harm me. So the gist is this: sexual harassment isn’t okay regardless of gender, but society tends to be more fixated on me because they’re more likely to pose a threat on women.
more fixated on men * not me 😅
Its not common for a man to attack a woman. You mean like 0.001% of the time a man touches a girl he also is violent. Smh.
That’s not what I’m saying at all, friend. What I’m saying is that we, as biological creatures, tend to fear what’s “stronger” than us. That’s why society condemn sexual harassment when a woman is the victim, since she would fear that man hurting her even if he did not intend to. My opinion is still this: it’s wrong to sexually harass anyone, so take a chill pill and shake your head elsewhere.
No, if he hits her because she won’t stop HE gets blamed. Never touch people that don’t want to be touched. No excuses.
It depends on the extremes. Grab a woman's ass and SOME women will call rape but most others will shoot you a bad look or slap you across the face - grab a man's ass an MOST women will either laugh it off or just treat it with confusion, hell even a lot of other men will just pretend it didn't happen.
Yes, it is. Well... no not really, because you've got the context entirely wrong-- it's not even *viewed* as sexual harassment *at all in the first place* if it's a female doing it to a male. So, in a way, the answer is no, because people (especially females) don't even think it qualifies.
Is grabbing a guys butt sexual harassment? Would a guy feel sexually threatened by this. I really do not think so , in my opinion its just a laugh. But a female would feel sexually threatened by having her butt grabbed so in that case its wrong. But that picture the whole thing is just a bit of fun. However in private like in an office where it is just the 2 people then that would feel threatning to a guy . So It really depends on the circumstances too
NOO! NO! NOO! No form of sexual harassment is "okay" whether it be to a male or female it's equally wrong tell them to stop!
It shouldn't be ok at all. I do admit to being guilty of once groping my then crush (his friend dared me to) as a 12/13 year-old. He was a grade older than me. It wasn't right and he did felt annoyed. It was never reported but it wasn't right.
That is so weird😂 ew..
Anyways, no it's not okay. That's so inappropriate. Why can't people just respect other peoples space?
What that girl is doing is not cute at all...
I don't consider harassement a lot of things others thinks of. When i was younger i've been hugged and ass slapped a lot, and never think of it as nothing more than appreciation. I honestly think all this sexual harrassement thing a huge step back in sociale life, because it authorize weak, silly, immature people to be weak, silly and immature, without improving themselves.
Its mot okay for anyone. Im mad we live in a society like this🤦🏽♀️ It’s why a lot of guys don’t come out and say they were raped because instead of taking it seriously we laugh and turn a blind eye.
This is a bad case women misusing their rights for emancipation. I have respected women for long because they can behave more courteously then us men, I guess I'm just biased with my view and now I'm disappointed.
I totally agree. I think it’s because men are less afraid of women due to the size and strength difference, but it’s still wrong. Just don’t touch people sexually without an explicit invitation!
It’s creepy and fucked up either way, regardless of gender.
Sexual 'harassment'.. Harassment is never okay no matter the gender.
I’ve had men tell me if I touched their butt they wouldn’t be bothered
But again that depends on the man
I think. It’s wrong but some men have told me they don’t care
My butt is up for grabs.
I advocate ''appropriate social behaviour'' in public (privately too, of course, but with more relaxed 'rules'). And the gender plays no role there.
However - I would not make it a big deal or even 'go media' if it happens to me.
While it's not OK, mild sexual harassment like getting our ass squeezed is not a big deal.
Having our ugly woman boss say "Fuck me or I will fire you."
Now, THAT's sexual harassment.
I personally don’t think that’s right to do but I definitely know women who think it doesn’t count if it’s towards a man. But I wouldn’t say girls have it good either.
it's kinda like female scumbag teachers who have children from screwing 13yo boys and get light sentences while still being able to collect child support from the victim's family... while the male scumbags are thrown under the prison and have a new prison built on top of that one
Well I will say this... I do not condone the use of sexual harrassment by anyone or anybody for any reason. That being said.. If a woman grabbed my ass while I was out on a baseball field I would probably just laugh it off...
It depends on the context. In a party with alochol and dancing an innocent butt pinch or cupping isn't TOO bad but out in public surrounded by strangers thats battery and illegal and probably you will get your ass kicked.
because we all think men are disposable. no one can justify why it's not as bad when it's a woman sexually harassing guys. in a world where no one cares when men get killed why would they care if they get sexually harassed. thanks for pointing out the double standard
It's okay because men don't count and are expendable and no lawyer or HR rep would take the case. Men best stay at least 50' away from women at all times as if they have a restraining order.
No, no one should be sexually harassed! Tell someone if you’re underage or feel uncomfortable. Also, tell whoever it is to stop because you don’t like it
Society sure looks at it differently, or guys just don't give a fuck
@derek2017 Yeah that's why I said 'or' I'm not sure how you think, but yeah we need to improve on this
No it’s not okay. That woman in the pic should be arrested
Don't worry. Indians girls never have such guts. So no issue for Indian men.
It works both ways, it should never be ok unless consent has been given
It's pretty much viewed as okay, although objectively speaking it's 100% NOT okay. Double standards are real.
How did you feel when that happened? Were you afraid they might rape you?
I think its viewed as much more permissible in our society than it is against women. I don't think it should be, but that's the way it is.
Part of the issue here is that in the past women wouldn't be caught dead acting like these pigs for the most part. This is societal collapse.
Neither male nor female should sexual harass anyone
Lol you’ve missed my point completely, I dare you to go on the internet and find a case where the media viewed a female teacher having sex with a student as “rape” my point was when it’s sexual abuse against a young male it’s not viewed as rape. But when it’s against a young female all of a sudden it’s statutory rape and she apparently to young to make those decisions. And if you can’t empathize in that way with men then you’ve discovered you have a female bias too
is it considered sexual harrasment if the guy liked it though?
becuase i dont think any guy would dislike a girl grabbing his butt or dick... so its unlikely to ever be considred sexual harrassment unless it ever happens to a guy that doesn't like it, in which case he would have to be homosexual or have a very small sex drive
Its a clear double standard. Women touch me a lot and many call me honey, sweetheart... meanwhile feminists say that this is unacceptable for men to do to women without prior written permission.
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