You can literally have a thousand men telling women this and they still don't get it.
But I'll try one more time.
Men do not seek out women to be providers the way most women do with men. This is because society expects men to take care of themselves regardless of their situation.
So men usually have money and assets covered. But we still want women for their beauty, femininity and affectionate. But not their money because we already have that.
"We want what we don't have. "
So if a woman is overweight or unattractive it doesn't matter if she is earning 200k a year.
This goes for the man hauling your trash all the way up to the man who is the CEO of a fortune 500 company.
A man who is earning big money will date a woman who is a waitress at Denny's if she is nice and feminine and attractive.
But most career women won't do that.
A woman who works an executive job would not date the Domino's delivery guy.
And just FYI.
The Domino's delivery guy also doesn't care about how much money you have either. 😏
Egalitarianism.
Millennials were told to "be yourself", and that all the expectations of gender roles weren't there anymore. They were given no advice about trends in sex-specific behaviour or anything like that. They grow up assuming that the people they're attracted to are just like them and like the same things as them.
It's obvious when you look at how both sexes reacted to the same advice.
Men stopped aiming for high-level positions that previously they would have been "told" they needed in order to get a wife. They would have a basic level job that paid the rent and hobbies, they probably live with a few friends and just hangout doing fun stuff, playing video games, etc, with the belief that as long as they're not physically gross and are chill people then girls will want them -- in other words how men perceive women.
Then women's interpretation was to pursue career and education, particularly things that signal to the culture that they're competent, rather than purely being competent. So this means income, a high-status appearance, degrees, owning property. In some cases, sexual experience. But they don't seem to realize that the other sex doesn't give a fuck about any of the shit they care about. Both sexes were permitted to be ignorant and didn't know any better than to look to themselves for how others would respond to them. Both sexes got the same advice, and reacted differently to it and mutually screwed everything up.
Not all men and women are the same. Some are, in fact, interested in ambitious and accomplished women, especially if they are ambitious and accomplished, themselves. Besides, what is wrong with a woman having a good career and salary?
Personally, I think people with good careers generally have good work ethic and are disciplined, as well as ambition, which are all very good qualities regardless of sex. They don't tend to be lazy, entitled, weak, dependent, etc. Self sufficiency, the ability to take care of oneself and not expecting someone else to provide and do everything for you, etc. are all quality traits that I see as a plus.
I think a lot of men should care. Because if you’re making a 50k a year and she’s jobless and constantly hitting you up for her expenses, you’re going to have problems. And men men do. They care but often when it’s much too late to do a whole lot about it.
Thats a rather extreme hypothetical.
It’s really just a general principle. If you don’t want to have to financially support a woman (like many men don’t) then it makes sense for you to care that she at least has a means of supporting her own wants and needs. Otherwise it will fall back on you, especially if you are married or live together.
I don't see why you're being so heavily downvoted, as you have a very valid point.
Those are my thoughts exactly, lol!
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Since birth, these new women are being trained to seek independence and that men are the enemy. This is deeply programmed at a very impressionable age. This is done before puberty when boys and girls are somewhat naturally at odds with each other for simply being different. We all remember those days. When they pass puberty and they now take interest in the opposite sex they are told, “…but you can have it all, a family, and a career.” Of course, this sales pitch is during the prime of their life where all that natural energy is deflected into career. As with any human, it takes a lot of ego to build a career, and the cost is one loses touch to their nature in the process. During the female “salad” years, they are still bombarded with the man is the enemy and they are exposed to the rare power couples, where the man and woman both are high achievers. No one truly knows what goes on with these couples behind the scenes, or what kind of relationship, if any they have, but the single high achiever woman just knows she wants that and she thinks now that every man wants that in her too. Women prove to be the easiest to manipulate of the two sexes concerning false impressions; they do buy into players easily e. g. Well, as the musical chairs continue, they have set their standards high for themselves and higher for their perfect mate and seem to chase a pot-of-gold at the end of the rainbow until when they get there, there is no chair, pot-of-gold, or that ideal mate. They were simply set up since childhood to dream and seek beyond their limits putting them into permanent over-the-hill singlehood wondering, “Where are all the good men?”
Because Feminism has lied to them and brain washed them. That right there is a massive turn off. Any female that is stupid enough to believe the feminist doctrines is already off of the list of women that I would want.
I will state this one more time. Hey ladies. Most masculine men DO NOT CARE about your Career, Salary or Education. None of these things will compensate for your lack of beauty or sexual attraction. For guys that want kids these things stand in their way and are actually detriments
I’d rather have feminism around then have a man try to tell me that being bare minimum in life will help me 🤷🏻♀️
@kyleelyn199723 WTF are you talking about. Go and accomplish whatever you want but if you think that a masculine male gives one fuck about your success then you are retarded. At best it won't work against you but it won't work in your favor unless the guy is a fucking loser.
@kyleelyn199723 of course. There is no other explanation for wanting anonymity. Why don't you go live your live and stop bothering people who dont give a fuck about you
Is that why you deleted my comment? You don’t give a shit but you are still tagging and commenting back. Go wipe the tears off your face now lmao
@kyleelyn199723 Actually I didn't mean to delete your comment but I did. Everything else I said stands
Well, I do. I would rather be with a woman who has some kind of life plan for herself. You don’t seem to have had any kind of real relationship. After the sex and lust is gone, you have to figure out how to live. And if you are with someone who has no life outside of the relationship it is a recipe for disaster.
Very well said!
I am the exception to that rule, so I can't comment much on that matter.
In the end some men condemn pretty much all women on either end: Either she's an independent career woman, that he doesn't care about in the slightest what she works as or how much she earns OR she's a clingy and codependent gold digger, who's only after your money but she's hot like straight from OnlyFans. Nobody wins.
I personally don't want a lazy woman and I'm not the broke type. I plan to become rich and if I were to have a partner, then I don't want someone leeching off from me. Ideally she too wants to become rich. We'd both build our own empire of wealth and abundance. The rich life is very good!
Very well said. Your middle paragraph makes an especially good point. It's ironic how the same guys who condemn a woman being ambitious and career-driven and claim they don't care at all about her job and salary (and I've even known men who hate the idea of a woman having a job at all, oddly enough) also hate gold diggers and very dependent women with a passion. Which is it?
@aWes0MeNeSs
Correct. But the good news is that it is their problem, not mine 😊
It's like they're sick and refuse to get help. Their life. Their choice. Live and let live.
i love women. Just not gold diggers 😁
Very true!
I could easily reverse the question. Not all of us women care what a guy makes. I just want him to have an income to where he can rest comfortably. Basically he can pay his half of the bills and not stress and not have to work more than one job. Same goes for myself, i wanna be comfortable enough with my own income to where i dont need his financial help outside of our share of the bills.
Yeah, I keep posting the same fucking thing here, over and over and over again. The NUMBER ONE thing a guy looks for is HER level of attraction and desire for HIM.
What she does for work, her education, her hobbies and interests, even her tits or hair, pales in comparison.
The reason they think guys care about that stuff is their solipsism and narcissism - their total focus is on themselves. Their sphere of cognizance is about a foot around their own bellybutton. Sometimes they grow out of it, but I've seen 50yo women that never did - they still think the entire world revolves around THEM.
Watch out for these types. Because no matter what YOU are or what you do, it will never be enough for them. It is ALWAYS and ALL about their FEELZ.
That’s pretty sad that you think all men aren’t attracted to ambitious and successful women.
You’re delusional. NO MEN care about a woman’s degree, career, money or social status. You ladies think you know men and that’s your problem.
@chris_987 I can definitely agree with that one.
@cantgetitup it’s interesting that you as one man think you can speak for all men.
Ask any man in your life and you’ll get the answer.
@cantgetitup the only other man that commented on this besides you did not agree with you.
My parents are divorced because of my moms unsuccessfulness in life 🤷🏻♀️
Did you not read his comment? Lmao 😂
He said they are attracted to women regardless of career BUT that doesn’t make them wifeable or dateable
Honestly doubt that. She must have let her self go and wasn’t doing her job at home.
Yes exactly! They don’t care about the career!
@cantgetitup nope. My mom has a gambling issue, didn’t provide , was a deadbeat to me and my siblings
No it’s not exactly attraction with looks is different than what you said in your description entirely
Wow so she was blowing all his money lol. Of course he left her.
Um no she was blowing all of her money. She is still in the same situation
My mother works and went to college
So again, the one other guy that commented on this besides you, didn’t agree with you
It’s the same thing if they were married. It takes two parents to work unless the man is making enough.
My father is a successful business owner. If my mom wasn’t shit with money, she would be successful
Well then your dad is a high value man and got sick of her that explains it.
@cantgetitup well that’s what I am saying essentially , but honestly success looks like on anyone. Another guy that commented just disagreed with you. So like yeah just because you are a man doesn’t mean you speak for all men. I think dating a beautiful woman of success that has her heads on her shoulders is better than dating a beautiful drug addict
Success looks good*
Doesn’t matter what you think, It’s what men think. Don’t listen to that other guy he doesn’t know shit. Just ask men in your life and they will tell you.
My man is happy I’m a successful woman that stays out of trouble 🤷🏻♀️
You make more than him?
He is a business owner , so no but he likes the fact that I go to college and work and keep out away from Facebook and Instagram. Don’t go out much.
He’s likes that you stay away from Instagram because he doesn’t even trust you. Has nothing to do with him liking that you’re working and going to school. If that keeps you away from other men he’ll go along with it. Let me ask you would you date a man making less money than you?
“He doesn’t even trust you” no hun social media is just not built for relationships. Instagram is a dating app in disguise. And I also said he likes that I go to school and work, as I have my own goals in life. Having goals in life is important for everybody. If you think a man should automatically provide you with a life of success with putting no work into your own personal life, you are a gold digging disgusting brat. But interesting how you men will call a woman a gold digger for doing exactly what you are describing you like in a woman
It’s a dating app in disguise if you have a public profile and are posting pictures of your ass yes. A joint account would solve any distrust of shared passwords. I know men pretty well and based off what you’re describing he doesn’t trust you. Women think men should automatically provide. They move in to an assembled perfect man, not help build.
@cantgetitup a joint account is for people that literally don’t trust their partner. I don’t need social media Facebook or Instagram. It’s almost like people forgot life used to be life without those. “You know my man pretty well” weird enough you don’t know him at all lmao. You think you know everyone so well, isn’t this about you thinking you know every single guys brain to the T? And I am helping my man build his successful business right now 🤷🏻♀️ gave him loads of people buying into his business. What you are describing is a gold digger sir.
Confidence, ambition, and success are masculine traits. Takes strength. Just beauty is all im attracted to
@Mofunfour20 yeah that’s not true at all but okay.
😂😂😂 You just proved my point in the strength of your argument. U just said "you're wrong" lmao my point exactly @kyleelyn199723 ridiculous
@Mofunfour20 I’m confused on how that contributes to that. And I also didn’t say you were wrong, I said what you said wasn’t true. To say women don’t need strength to survive this earth is completely absurd.
@Mofunfour20 I have walked past many experiences in my life that took strength for me to overcome.
Shall I make a list for you?
@kyleelyn199723 not what i said but ok, have a blessed day. Smh 👌
@Mofunfour20 I mean you made a list of adjectives you think only men possess and claimed women don’t have those , so yes that’s exactly what you meant.
@Mofunfour20 let’s not forget about the fact that you just misquoted me to fit your agenda.
Because feminism demands equality of opportunities not outcomes. Men are not attracted to a womans job or income. Just her beauty. They had it easy before making all these demands, makes no sense. Who fights for more work to do, crazy train if you ask me
I think we care more than many people like to admit. From my perspective, I won't date a woman with significant debt relative to her income and spending habits- I don't want to be responsible for it.
Women (and have men) have a bad habit of failing to realize that what they want in a mate is not the same as what a potential mate wants in them
I see soo many hopeless women that have the same general issue: They want a 10/10 guy who is well educated and makes good money. You ask the women what she brings to the table and she says all kinds of stuff like "I have 2 degrees in blah blah blah and male good money as a blah blah blah" and they just literally can't comprehend that what they care about financially in a man is not what a man cares about at all in a woman
I've seen a lot of guys, on here especially, say that they felt inadequate or jealous that their girlfriend or wife made more money than them. Certainly many guys don't care, but some do and I think that's why sometimes women worry about what men think about thwir career/salary
I had one ex who felt power over me because he had a job when i didn't. He was always on my ass about getting one even tho i had a bachelors and he didn't. It was a struggle getting a job that wasn't fast food/retail tbh. But the moment i got a job and was making 3 times his pay, he felt beneath me and wanted to breakup. He said he refused to have to ask me for financial help and so on
Lots of guys here getting angry about this, but in my experience…men prefer women with a bit of ambition. Maybe that’s because they’re ambitious themselves though. Like tends to attract like at the end of the day. That’s just how it is. You’re more able to relate that way I think - similar values etc.
You don’t see lots of middle class men dating working class women do you? No, classes tend to stay within their own for the most part.
^ Bingo
You're correct. A lot of people here are stuck in la-la land and out of touch with reality, and/or extremely butthurt and intimidated by the thought of a woman outworking them or being able to take care of themselves without being dependent on them, lol.
It’s true, I really don’t care if they are successful in a career or how educated they are , as long as they have a job of some sort and doing something. Sometimes they are so successful that they are unreachable in status that they can’t find a guy. I see it on many profiles , the few guys that are in her status or league won’t be looking in her direction , usually looking for someone younger and attractive that he is above in status. I don’t even look at the things they have. I’m looking for a simple woman I’m attracted to
Only a broke dude cares about how much money a women makes. A successful man will almost always chose to date a woman that isn't career focused. This is what I've noticed and I have no clue how women don't pick up on that
Lies lol
@Apple1996: That's mostly not the case these days. My brother-in-law is a surgeon and when I asked him if it mattered to him, he said it did (my sister is also a doctor).
This guy does, and did right after his residency was complete. And his sister told me they were very happy he married a fellow medical student.
Cost of living is too high today in most places to have a low-earning spouse even if you earn a lot. Private school, expensive house, vacations, music and language lessons all add up.
And that doesn't even begin to consider situations were the low-earning spouse expects the high-earning one to support her/his family as well.
@Avicenna that is not true. Cost of living isn't high at all. My husband works and I'm a stay at home mom. We've never struggled or any issues affording our life/childern. The only people who think that are the same ones buying new phones and car every year and have college debt. It's extremely ridiculous to choose someone based on how much money they make. If they are doing that then it just isn't real love in my opinion
@Avicenna most people in the military are broke. There is no game too it. There was a time last year that everyone in my husband's company and their wives were donating plasma to earn extra money. Back in the day when my parents and probably you were in everything was much simpler. My parents tell me all about how they had better health care and housing then what they give us now a days
@Avicenna everyone just passes the GI bill to there kids. Nobody actually uses it as far as I know since there are other ways to get college. And most young low ranking guys find strippers and such to marry to try to gain extra money and be able to have a house but this rarely works out cause so many of them get divorced 😂
@Yyyyu that's most likely because women themselves are seeking successful men but not the other way around. The majority of men go after women for the biological reason of wanting to mate with them and women being successful has nothing to do with if they'll be a good mom or not so it's not something that men look for
@Yyyyu I wouldn't label those types of jobs as being successful. In today's world if you want real success you have to make tik toks and youtube videos if you want to make it in life. That's just the way I view things tho old school people still think going to college and getting a good career is how to be successful
Also if a millionaire is picking down , he’s probably doing so for control reasons
I might be in the minority because the girl you described is low-key one of my dream woman. I definitely love successful women because as a guy who wants to become a successful man I definitely wouldn't mind having a partner in equal footing.
I never thought they did or would. I don't care how much a man makes or a woman. I just care how much I make, & I think most people care about how much they personally make.
i think men not bein hypergamous is a myth even the men dont date up thing is a myth select men date up non-select men date who they can cause they have no choice hypergamy in most women exist in 2 forms sexual and financial and for most men if they can't provide either way the friend-zone in inevitable
I see nothing wrong with a successful business women.
For women to be successful in male dominated industries they have to take on masculine traits. Very unattractive
No because the men will just go for the younger women instead of competing with a successful woman, too bossy and disrespectful
You think that way cause you’re not a man, a real man would want a real woman. Men like you the obsess over young women and hate “bossy” woman hate the fact that a strong confident independent woman makes you feel like the little boy you truly are. Boys like you only go for young women cause they’re easier to manipulate.
Borderline predatory, get help.
I understand your point, but let me say how can you define a "real man" when you are not a man? for example a man shouldn't go around saying what makes a woman a "real woman".
But to your argument, you said men hate "bossy" women and the fact that they can't handle and strong independent women. It's not about "handling" a bossy woman its the fact that "boss women" tend to be more combative, no man (I may even suggest woman as well) wants to get into a relationship with someone they feel is trying to compete with them, because that will always lead to some type of argument and nobody wants that, men want peace hence why they go for more submissive woman because they tend to be more compliment an offer that peace. Sadly when people don't adhere to their "roles" there tends to be confusion in the household. If women really wanted to be the "boss", then they should date feminine men, but then again most women don't want to. Is it safe to say that women can't handle a feminine man therefore they are not "real women"? Sadly people have to play to there roles and there is usually one person that is in charge, and it has been proven then women are less likely to share their resources compared to men.
@Mofunfour20 Or they're just smart? for example 36% engineering student in Russia are women 50% in Malaysia in these countries people don't think that engineering is masculine lol what make it masculine? and most people think that east European and Asian women are feminine
@Mofunfour20 also bossy trait is unattractive on both men and women so i don't get your point even heard of Tsundere they're very popular in anime community. many men like fierce women. Maybe you are just not one of them
But as mentioned "bossy" women are more combative and are likely to lead to more arguing, and men after working long hours don't want to come home to someone who is going to argue with them, I agree that it's weird but sadly that's how it is. As I mentioned if that was the case then why don't women date men that are more feminine? The reason behind that is because that's like dating a woman and women don't want that in a man, which is perfectly fine, but that also goes to show that men don't want to date a "bossy" woman because they tend to be more masculine and for a guy that's like dating a man and they don't want that which is also perfectly fine, that doesn't make them and more or less than a man.
@Yyyyu Yeah and sadly what's the typical end of that story? the guy usually has a mistress who tends to be more feminine and complacent and sadly they tend to be younger women because it's proven that younger women are more agreeable in that sense and the older you become you tend to become more combative.
Interesting how this is downvoted by four men, lol. Unfortunately, there are some men who are intimidated by successful women (and especially those more successful than them), and/or like for women to be dependent on them so they are easier to control.
Someone who is successful in business usually has a very good head on their shoulders and has a ton of desirable traits. I don't see how that could possibly be a turnoff for anyone other than someone who is very insecure and knows they couldn't measure up.
@Yyyyu I am not saying those are directly feminine traits but they tend to link to women. Women tend to be more agreeable hence wh they are considered the fairer sex while men tend to be more negotiable hence why they tend to be more aggressive. You are correct women want people their age, but also note women have higher standards than men and those standards tend to rule out a lot of men. For example, women want a man that is financially stable, and let's be honest most young men don't really have that they obtain those things the older they get, hence why you see younger women with older men. And if you look up the stats more younger men today have reported the least sexually active in history while women have reported the most sexually active ever.
@doopayo 100% we are not in the past and times have changed and so has dating, but people still tend to want the same things, we are moving towards that changing now which is great but we are still in a grey area where everyone is as more confused as ever. And yes no one is peaceful 24/7 but are you more likely to deal with someone who is more likely to be peaceful compared to someone that is least likely to?
@Novacane problem is most woman work these days check average age gap in developed countries
Average age gap is 3 year in USA 1.8 in England and Wales and 1.2 in Japan so on average men are only slightly older than their so. thing is woman don't want to have kids in early 20s they usually want it in late 20 or 30s by than their young so is capable enough to take care of them and they also have their own saving and still working. this is how it is for most couple
You do realise do you not, that you are using the same stereotyping to accuse women of not understanding men, by applying the same reasoning to ALL men.
Exactly!
Maybe because of their experience? For example average marriage gap is 3 year in USA 1.3 year in japan and 1.8 year in England and Wales so on average men are only 3 Or 2 Or 1 year older. and many men I know irl who are rich are with other rich woman.
I think woman success is like height of course most men don't date up. but how much down do they date? Give you one example a doctor who is making 300000k is with a pharmacist who is making 148,660k he is dating down but it is not like he is dating a waitress who is not even educated and don't make six figure unlike a pharmacist.
Most billionaire wife for example are very educated. Intelligent men find intelligence very attractive and intelligence is good indicator of success
also for example if he like talking about his hobbies and work than isn't it easy to talk about programming if you know it?
also status for example his friends colleague family would look down on him if his wife was not educated
I see engineer online who want a engineer girlfriend for example. It is very complicated thing uneducated and poor men don't care about women success and education but many successful and smart men do. for example many tall men find tall women attractive while short men usually don't
also if both of them are rich than they understand each other lifestyle and belong to same class so being able to mixed with each other group and family is easy
Most rich people date within their class
@Hathor those stay at homes mom usually are very educated and successful. They usually take career break for kids and those woman usually also have rich parents.
were not are
after having kids
These are option woman have
ask grandpa and grandma for help
use day care and nanny
Work from home
Part time
Free lancing
Working less hours and doing night shift
taking career break
@Hathor do they used to know their husband during high school are their parents rich? what their husband do?
@Hathor exception exist for example bezos ex wife is dating a middle school teacher so I can also claim that women date down lol.
@Hathor lol elon musk is richer than her
@Hathor see men you are talking about are blue collar worker and even than you are talking about high school sweetheart for example messi his wife since he was 9 so it don't count because he met her before he was rich and famous.
@Hathor was that nuclear engineer divorced? if he was than it is same way divorced American men go to Thailand for finding their wife's also is that waitress still studying? was she his high school or school sweetheart? what her parents do? what is her and his age
@Hathor what those men look like? What is their age or they're divorced? or had kids.
@Hathor those men had kids or were they divorced?
@Hathor what was their age and their wife age?
@Hathor all of those couple
@Hathor so same age?
@Hathor men will say this exact thing but then call a woman a gold digger when she has no personal accomplishments or values in life and feeds off of men with money. I think it’s controlling as hell for men to have that mindset.
@kyleelyn199723 Just because men don't value your career in terms of mate selection doesn't mean they want a freeloader. Im not saying having a career as a bad thing, it just doesn't attract men. its like a something extra if they already like you, not a substitute for embodying what the like
@hathor this is about whether or not a woman with no valuable career is wifeable or dateable , not just overall attraction. What he is describing is literally a gold digging freeloader. If men don’t value a woman with a good head on her shoulders, why even bother calling a girl a gold digger when that’s essentially exactly what they want?
@Hathor because I can say the same about men. I think a man can look physically attractive but if his career and work ethic suck, I won’t be talking to him. Ambition and goal chasing typically looks good on everyone
@Hathor I disagree with that one but to each it’s own. If that was the case, there wouldn’t be such thing as the term gold digger. Yes gold diggers can have a great personality and great looks, but that doesn’t make them not a gold digger.
@Hathor and most men that make posts like this , make women go half on shit these days and also won’t pick up every single bill and tab.
@hathor hun you are trying to change the definition of a gold digger. A gold digger can have a good or bad personality.
@Hathor I’m just being honest here. In this day and age, a status of a woman does almost matter. Now I’m not talking about the house wives that have degrees and accomplishments, I am talking about the woman that have no value to their life.
@Hathor but yeah I’m sure this same guy wouldn’t tell a woman to put her money away, if she offered to pay for something
@hathor the definition of a gold digger is somebody that builds relationships with someone for only the persons money.
@Hathor I would call a sugar baby a gold digger, but definitely not a hooker.
@hathor it’s not about agreeing upfront, it’s about the fact that most sugar babies care about a man’s status. Sugar babies will physically go on dates with a man and hang out with him for exchange for cash. Why on earth would they do that for a broke guy? Hookers will go for pretty much any guy that will pay them
@hathor with a broke guy***
@Hathor someone that has absolutely nothing to their name. No degree, no career, no business, no education
@Hathor hun a relationship is being built from the sugar baby, which is the exact definition of a gold digger. Sugar babies lie and fake interest. Not all gold diggers show to have a bad personality. Seems like you only know stereotypical gold digging. Watch the show 90 days fiancé. You will have the stereotypical gold diggers on there, but they also have gold diggers on there that have great personalities
@Hathor a mutual agreement doesn’t make it not gold digging. Most men that go for women out of their league already know what type of situation it’s bound to be
@Hathor of course we will because you only want gold digging to fit your scenario. A good personality doesn’t make gold digging not gold digging.
@Hathor a mutual agreement doesn’t make it not gold digging either. Sugar babies go for men high in status. You will never see a sugar baby go for a broke guy
@hathor that’s a stereotypical gold digger. You don’t need to lie to be a gold digger. Go look at 90 day fiancé. Look at the couple with the girl Yara. She is as blunt as you can get but by definition she is a gold digger
@Hathor women feel same thing lol it is a plus point but career don't attract
@Hathor the main agenda is creating relationships for the sake of money. There is nothing that can change that definition. Telling the truth about wanting to be with somebody for the cash doesn’t make it not gold digging.
@hathor many. But money is the route to all evil. If he is getting something in exchange for his money giving, I’m sure they couldn’t care less, but that doesn’t change the definition. Drugs are still illegal even though people still use them. That doesn’t make them not illegal
@kyleelyn199723 Is there no difference from the man that tells you your the only one, the most beautiful in the world, all to get sex from. Then you find out he's married with a family and you'll never see him again.
Or the Guy who tells you he's married with kids, but he'd risk it all for one night with you because your irresistible to him.
Hun a cheater is a cheater. But I know exactly what kind of woman you are evidently if you think a man coming out and telling the truth about his situation makes him less than a cheater or even a good cheater
@haltor but that’s how I know that me and you aren’t alike because I would never ever ever go for a married man even if he confessed he’s married. Sickening
@hathor
@Hathor your justification of that perception led me to that assumption. Any person that wouldn’t go for a married man period, wouldn’t make that justification ever
“ thought experiment “ yeah okay lol usually someone that doesn’t stand for a cheating married man wouldn’t try to separate a good vs bad cheater. Doesn’t make any sense what’s so ever.
I mean you are also trying to justify a good gold digger vs a bad gold digger lol according to you, as long as she truthful she can’t be a gold digger 🤦🏻♀️
Hun because those were very much on topic. You threw in cheating out of no where and tried to justify a good cheater from a bad one lol yes I know what kind of woman you are from justifying that one thing right there.
@hathor damn as long as a robber tells you he’s going to rob your car, I guess he can just drive right off with it 🤣
@Hathor cheating was the point because you are literally justifying bad qualities because the person is at least truthful with their bad qualities.
The point here is a bad quality is still a bad quality whether you are honest or lying.
Hun I gave you so many other scenarios already where your logic doesn’t make any sense what so ever.
Prefect example: let’s use my mother. She was a deadbeat most of my life, sometimes out of random she will get me stuff here and there to try to make up, does that not make her a deadbeat? Does that justify what she did overall?
There is no difference when the lying vs the truth involves a bad quality. You are a robbers true best friend lol. You would give up what they are trying to rob if that meant them saying “hey I’m trying to rob your car, let me rob it please”
Or not even a bad quality more so an immoral quality
Wrong word I meant no morals** sorry I’m exhausted lol
Actually that was right never mind
@Hathor again , admitting that you are immoral doesn’t make it any better.
@Hathor I’ve seen someone manipulate into robbing someone with my own two eyes actually
@Hathor I mean there really isn’t a difference when your idea behind your truth is still to be immoral
Cheating is also immoral, robbing is immoral, being a sugar baby is immoral.
@Hathor if you think lying can be the only immoral thing in the world, I already know what kind of person you are
@hathor an open relationship is different than cheating my friend
@hathor but also sleeping around with many people is immoral
But interesting enough how you wanted to be a pick me up until I mentioned how it’s immoral to be a sugar baby. Don’t act like you don’t support feminism after that one
Sorry for spamming, but yes I changed my mind, open relationships are immoral. Your intent to sleep with multiple other people is immoral
Freedom and immoral are two different things. Whether Something is your decision doesn’t make it the proper or a moral decision. If freedom is justification with that one, then lying is everyone’s freedom then, which is the only thing immoral to you
@hathor hun in a situation where you are trying to justify immoral behavior, there is no difference between honest and a liar. You used an honest cheater as your example as if that person isn’t a piece of shit anymore for being honest. Stupid
Also very one sided. Somewhere in between someone’s immoral behaviors is lying. The ironic part about that. Usually just because someone is honest to a mistress, doesn’t mean they are being honest to their husband/wife in some kind of way.
@hathor who said I was okay with lying? Lmao I said there’s no excuse for immoral behavior. Interesting you got out out of what I said because you are the one trying to justify immoral behavior by making it a lie vs truth situation
@hathor your example was cheating and it was a huge fail. the question was actually about you trying to justify an immoral behavior by saying “hey if I tell the truth, that makes it less wrong , right? l
Immoral behavior is immoral behavior. If you can’t accept that the bad you do is immoral, then you probably shouldn’t be doing it.
Are you even reading? Bottom line is you are trying to justify immoral behaviors by making it into a truth vs lie situation when in reality no matter how you put it, it’s still an immoral behavior. Cheating is just one of the very immoral behaviors talked about in this comment section.
Cheating was your one and only attempt to make yourself sound right and you sounded like an absolute disaster. Then once that failed you tried to justify immoral behavior with freedom
“I’m the liar” no you think every immoral situation is immoral because of the lying aspect when in reality immoral is immoral. Sleeping around is immoral. Cheating is immoral, open relationships are immoral, lying is immoral etc
Hun I brought up many many topics just now. Don’t be upset that I keep bringing up your failed attempt of trying to prove a point
Robbing is immoral, stealing is immoral, prostitution is immoral
Hun immoral is immoral. Freedom of being immoral is your choice, but it’s still immoral. If you do immoral shit, wear it loud and proud. Are you scared people are going to judge you so much , you can’t admit something immoral is something immoral?
Oh I have lied in my life before, but it sounds like to me you are justifying immoral behavior because you are guilty of such behaviors , you were probably honest about them but guilty. It’s amazing how people feel bothered by admitting their immoral behavior but still do them anyways and then try and say immoral behavior isn’t all equal. Yes it is. You are a product of how equally bad immoral behaviors are
If you are going to call somebody a liar for absolutely no reason, at least use proper grammar. Your argument has been immoral behavior is okay as long as you tell the truth, maybe not okay but semi okay.
@Hathor you did try to justify all of the above. This whole convo is about you justifying immoral behavior. You wouldn’t have dragged this convo on for 5 hours long if our convo wasn’t on the same page. Don’t be upset that you are wrong.
Also maybe you should look up the definition of liar because what you are aiming to call me a liar for doesn’t even match up to the definition
“Delusional liar” even if I was lying the fact that we have been conversing about this for 5 hours says enough that you are bothered that people do not agree with you. Hun I didn’t lie to prove a point, it started with you saying an immoral behavior is half decent as long as you are truthful about your immoral behavior.
And if you don’t admit that, that was your point, then you are the liar.
It started with YOU trying to justify forms of gold digging. By the way , this is googles definition of a gold digger, ready for this?
gold dig·ger
/ɡōld ˈdiɡər/
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nounDEROGATORY•INFORMAL
a person who forms relationships with others purely to extract money from them, in particular a woman who strives to marry a wealthy man.
@Hathor the fact that you can’t admit that immoral behavior is immoral behavior says enough about it. I don’t need proof. And if you can’t admit to immoral behavior you have done, which everyone has definitely done before, then you are a liar. But you just proved me again because you are a product of trying to dumb down immoral behaviors that don’t seem as wrong
“Why should you believe anything you say” you don’t have to hun, google is right in front of you. You can just type in gold digger definition and that will pop right up. “You accused me in engaging in immoral behavior with no proof” if you can’t admit to immoral behavior you have done before, which everyone has done before, then you are the liar hun. I already admitted to an immoral behavior I have done in the past on this post. I’m not afraid to admit my wrong doings, but what I don’t do is try to justify an immoral behavior by being honest before I even do it, I just don’t even do it anymore
@hathor don’t need proof hun your idea behind your argument says enough.
@hathor people that don’t do immoral behaviors , don’t try to justify them because they don’t need to.
@Hathor my proof is your argument. People that don’t do immoral things don’t need to justify immoral things 😉
@Hathor sweetheart peoples stances on things says everything about them. People with morals don’t need to justify immoral behaviors because they know they are immoral behaviors which is why they don’t do them.
@hathor oh thank god you said good day after 6 hours of you defending something you claim you don’t do 🤷🏻♀️
@Hathor wow still going after you said good day. Doesn’t surprise me at all.
Guilty aren’t you?
@Hathor you can’t go about your day without realizing people don’t have to agree with you. You have spent 1/4 of a day arguing against people that don’t agree with your opinion
Actually more like 1/3 of a day. You have been arguing for 8 hours
@Hathor it’s amazing that you are still going after you said have a good day. You spent 8 hours being deceptive about your agenda. You are a pick me and it’s sad that you are using a pic of not yourself to represent yourself
@hathor let me not expose some of the other stupid shit you say on other questions
@Hathor didn’t you say something about freedom? I have the freedom to tag as you have the freedom to ignore. Wow another thing you used to only benefit you
@Hathor I’m just baffled on the fact that you said you believe people have the freedom to do what they please and here you are again contradicting yourself once again
@Hathor you have a choice in life which is to leave the convo and move on but look at you after you said have a good day. You are choosing this conversation, this isn’t harassment dear.
@Hathor the only childish one here is you for insinuating someone is harassing you because you aren’t grown enough to leave a convo you no longer want to being in alone. Your sick mind of wanting to win an argument
@hathor nope hun I’m actually cleaning my house and waiting for my man. You must really have a low self esteem that you don’t want to crush your ego of quite possibly backing down from a GAG argument 🤷🏻♀️
@Hathor everytime you said you were going to leave, you came back so in that sense you have the crush on me 🤷🏻♀️
@Hathor I did it again? No your need to get an ego boost from an argument is the issue here hun
@Hathor I have not double tagged you in a really long time, this is your doing right now. You have the ability to end it right now, actually you had the ability to end it a long time ago
@Hathor bye now
I do not care about how much money a girl makes but I would like somebody that wants to have a real career instead of working at Dunkin Donuts.
Because women are dumb asf. My girlfriend almost failed high school and is 18. Her personality, morals, are far superior to most girls and that i like and she's hot and young that i like and she complements me that i like and she has time for fun and vacations and stuff on my schedule that i like.
Okay troll
Because men complain so much about women being gold diggers and only being after men for their money.
So it seems like they would prefer a woman to not be broke and have her own money so he knows she's not after his.
that's a dumb way to go about it
Because women tend to think like women, and most women care a lot about what kind of job a man has and how much money he makes. So they assume men would care too. And yes, spot-on about hypergamy.
Most men do but then you'll be so poor with your bigoted mindset you'll be 60 years old and smoking truckers sausages for $5 each at the truck stop, if you don't manage to throttle yourself on mummy's apron strings before then
Imagine bragging that you have erectile disfunction, shake my fucking head
Normally more the other way around, the women caring about a guy and what job he has. Not the women care about having a job to impress him.
Because what's yours is HIS, and what's his is his!
This is honestly usually so true when one makes significantly more than the other. The very non-ambitious ones who want someone with money tend to feel they are entitled to said money. I've seen it time and time again with people I know.
Because most women care about men’s positions in these things. So they think men will be the same
^^this
Some men do though and some don't. We aren't living for y'all. Maybe we're just proud of our accomplishments.
because they do
money, is needed, to survive. the more you have, the more successful you'll be, the more attractive you'll be. THATS HOW IT WORKS
Because it’s a fact most guys do actually care for our job and money.
Ummm okay goodnight I guess😂 sweet dreams
Wow, you just stereotyped men as a whole.
I may not care about money but I do care about job, mainly if she's passionate about it and enjoys what she's doing.
The fact that men don't 'care' is also a part of the problem.
I don't think so but yes there are men who are gold-diggers so trust me it also helps women.
Because some men feel emasculated by it and it's funny to watch them complain.
They want that in a man so they think men must want that in a woman. You can try to explain this to them until you’re blue in the face, they’ll never understand.
you're wrong on that one buddy. i know a few women who were deadbeats worked minimum wage jobs and were boring as hell. couldn't afford a pot to piss in. i wouldn't of been caught dead with them.
Only some women think that especially in Asian countries.
I wanna hear more about your moms unsuccessfulness in life, pm me
Because most women are indoctrinated idiots to the left.
I don’t think any woman thinks that some might ofc but not the majority
LMFAO! Do any girls actually believe we give a flying fuck about this?
Lol women r so delusional on this point XD feminist propaganda is so effective. THEY JUST WANT TAX SLAVES DUMB DUMB
Definitely not true dude
Yes it is unless you’re a bum and need mommy to take care of you.
Doing quite well thank you, just like a girl with similar drive
You need to understand that women don’t date down. Even if you like women who do really well financially you better be making twice what they’re making because ladies will monkey branch to the next best man.
Not saying I need a girl that’s gonna be rich, just mean that a girl that’s making minimum wage with no plans to change that is probably gonna have very different goals and outlook on life
Some do so do some men I don't get your point
Everyone wants to be successful
Very true, except for those with no ambition who tend to be lazy and entitled (typical gold diggers), which are extremely unattractive qualities in my opinion.
They want to be free and independent have power
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