You can literally have a thousand men telling women this and they still don't get it.
But I'll try one more time.
Men do not seek out women to be providers the way most women do with men. This is because society expects men to take care of themselves regardless of their situation.
So men usually have money and assets covered. But we still want women for their beauty, femininity and affectionate. But not their money because we already have that.
"We want what we don't have. "
So if a woman is overweight or unattractive it doesn't matter if she is earning 200k a year.
This goes for the man hauling your trash all the way up to the man who is the CEO of a fortune 500 company.
A man who is earning big money will date a woman who is a waitress at Denny's if she is nice and feminine and attractive.
But most career women won't do that.
A woman who works an executive job would not date the Domino's delivery guy.
And just FYI.
The Domino's delivery guy also doesn't care about how much money you have either. 😏
Egalitarianism.
Millennials were told to "be yourself", and that all the expectations of gender roles weren't there anymore. They were given no advice about trends in sex-specific behaviour or anything like that. They grow up assuming that the people they're attracted to are just like them and like the same things as them.
It's obvious when you look at how both sexes reacted to the same advice.
Men stopped aiming for high-level positions that previously they would have been "told" they needed in order to get a wife. They would have a basic level job that paid the rent and hobbies, they probably live with a few friends and just hangout doing fun stuff, playing video games, etc, with the belief that as long as they're not physically gross and are chill people then girls will want them -- in other words how men perceive women.
Then women's interpretation was to pursue career and education, particularly things that signal to the culture that they're competent, rather than purely being competent. So this means income, a high-status appearance, degrees, owning property. In some cases, sexual experience. But they don't seem to realize that the other sex doesn't give a fuck about any of the shit they care about. Both sexes were permitted to be ignorant and didn't know any better than to look to themselves for how others would respond to them. Both sexes got the same advice, and reacted differently to it and mutually screwed everything up.
Not all men and women are the same. Some are, in fact, interested in ambitious and accomplished women, especially if they are ambitious and accomplished, themselves. Besides, what is wrong with a woman having a good career and salary?
Personally, I think people with good careers generally have good work ethic and are disciplined, as well as ambition, which are all very good qualities regardless of sex. They don't tend to be lazy, entitled, weak, dependent, etc. Self sufficiency, the ability to take care of oneself and not expecting someone else to provide and do everything for you, etc. are all quality traits that I see as a plus.
I think a lot of men should care. Because if you’re making a 50k a year and she’s jobless and constantly hitting you up for her expenses, you’re going to have problems. And men men do. They care but often when it’s much too late to do a whole lot about it.
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Since birth, these new women are being trained to seek independence and that men are the enemy. This is deeply programmed at a very impressionable age. This is done before puberty when boys and girls are somewhat naturally at odds with each other for simply being different. We all remember those days. When they pass puberty and they now take interest in the opposite sex they are told, “…but you can have it all, a family, and a career.” Of course, this sales pitch is during the prime of their life where all that natural energy is deflected into career. As with any human, it takes a lot of ego to build a career, and the cost is one loses touch to their nature in the process. During the female “salad” years, they are still bombarded with the man is the enemy and they are exposed to the rare power couples, where the man and woman both are high achievers. No one truly knows what goes on with these couples behind the scenes, or what kind of relationship, if any they have, but the single high achiever woman just knows she wants that and she thinks now that every man wants that in her too. Women prove to be the easiest to manipulate of the two sexes concerning false impressions; they do buy into players easily e. g. Well, as the musical chairs continue, they have set their standards high for themselves and higher for their perfect mate and seem to chase a pot-of-gold at the end of the rainbow until when they get there, there is no chair, pot-of-gold, or that ideal mate. They were simply set up since childhood to dream and seek beyond their limits putting them into permanent over-the-hill singlehood wondering, “Where are all the good men?”
Because Feminism has lied to them and brain washed them. That right there is a massive turn off. Any female that is stupid enough to believe the feminist doctrines is already off of the list of women that I would want.
I will state this one more time. Hey ladies. Most masculine men DO NOT CARE about your Career, Salary or Education. None of these things will compensate for your lack of beauty or sexual attraction. For guys that want kids these things stand in their way and are actually detriments
Well, I do. I would rather be with a woman who has some kind of life plan for herself. You don’t seem to have had any kind of real relationship. After the sex and lust is gone, you have to figure out how to live. And if you are with someone who has no life outside of the relationship it is a recipe for disaster.
I am the exception to that rule, so I can't comment much on that matter.
In the end some men condemn pretty much all women on either end: Either she's an independent career woman, that he doesn't care about in the slightest what she works as or how much she earns OR she's a clingy and codependent gold digger, who's only after your money but she's hot like straight from OnlyFans. Nobody wins.
I personally don't want a lazy woman and I'm not the broke type. I plan to become rich and if I were to have a partner, then I don't want someone leeching off from me. Ideally she too wants to become rich. We'd both build our own empire of wealth and abundance. The rich life is very good!
I could easily reverse the question. Not all of us women care what a guy makes. I just want him to have an income to where he can rest comfortably. Basically he can pay his half of the bills and not stress and not have to work more than one job. Same goes for myself, i wanna be comfortable enough with my own income to where i dont need his financial help outside of our share of the bills.
Yeah, I keep posting the same fucking thing here, over and over and over again. The NUMBER ONE thing a guy looks for is HER level of attraction and desire for HIM.
What she does for work, her education, her hobbies and interests, even her tits or hair, pales in comparison.
The reason they think guys care about that stuff is their solipsism and narcissism - their total focus is on themselves. Their sphere of cognizance is about a foot around their own bellybutton. Sometimes they grow out of it, but I've seen 50yo women that never did - they still think the entire world revolves around THEM.
Watch out for these types. Because no matter what YOU are or what you do, it will never be enough for them. It is ALWAYS and ALL about their FEELZ.
That’s pretty sad that you think all men aren’t attracted to ambitious and successful women.
Because feminism demands equality of opportunities not outcomes. Men are not attracted to a womans job or income. Just her beauty. They had it easy before making all these demands, makes no sense. Who fights for more work to do, crazy train if you ask me
I think we care more than many people like to admit. From my perspective, I won't date a woman with significant debt relative to her income and spending habits- I don't want to be responsible for it.
Women (and have men) have a bad habit of failing to realize that what they want in a mate is not the same as what a potential mate wants in them
I see soo many hopeless women that have the same general issue: They want a 10/10 guy who is well educated and makes good money. You ask the women what she brings to the table and she says all kinds of stuff like "I have 2 degrees in blah blah blah and male good money as a blah blah blah" and they just literally can't comprehend that what they care about financially in a man is not what a man cares about at all in a woman
I've seen a lot of guys, on here especially, say that they felt inadequate or jealous that their girlfriend or wife made more money than them. Certainly many guys don't care, but some do and I think that's why sometimes women worry about what men think about thwir career/salary
Lots of guys here getting angry about this, but in my experience…men prefer women with a bit of ambition. Maybe that’s because they’re ambitious themselves though. Like tends to attract like at the end of the day. That’s just how it is. You’re more able to relate that way I think - similar values etc.
It’s true, I really don’t care if they are successful in a career or how educated they are , as long as they have a job of some sort and doing something. Sometimes they are so successful that they are unreachable in status that they can’t find a guy. I see it on many profiles , the few guys that are in her status or league won’t be looking in her direction , usually looking for someone younger and attractive that he is above in status. I don’t even look at the things they have. I’m looking for a simple woman I’m attracted to
Only a broke dude cares about how much money a women makes. A successful man will almost always chose to date a woman that isn't career focused. This is what I've noticed and I have no clue how women don't pick up on that
I might be in the minority because the girl you described is low-key one of my dream woman. I definitely love successful women because as a guy who wants to become a successful man I definitely wouldn't mind having a partner in equal footing.
I never thought they did or would. I don't care how much a man makes or a woman. I just care how much I make, & I think most people care about how much they personally make.
i think men not bein hypergamous is a myth even the men dont date up thing is a myth select men date up non-select men date who they can cause they have no choice hypergamy in most women exist in 2 forms sexual and financial and for most men if they can't provide either way the friend-zone in inevitable
I see nothing wrong with a successful business women.
You do realise do you not, that you are using the same stereotyping to accuse women of not understanding men, by applying the same reasoning to ALL men.
Maybe because of their experience? For example average marriage gap is 3 year in USA 1.3 year in japan and 1.8 year in England and Wales so on average men are only 3 Or 2 Or 1 year older. and many men I know irl who are rich are with other rich woman.
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