Most men in (General) don't care and wouldn't. Men dont ask you how much you're making and then get hard or turned on depending on the amount you say. Most men aren't going to want you to date you or marry because of your career and financial status. a lot of women think that men are attracted to the same things they are. Men and women are not the same
I have noticed the same thing. Modern women tend to value themselves based on the same things they value men for, which of course is pointless. Men want different things from a woman than women want from a man.
I have also noticed women often think men are "intimidated" if they have a great career. It's not intimidating at all, but it can be unattractive to a man if he perceives a woman's priorities are not right.
It's just a fact that ambitious, career driven women don't make great mothers and wives, and that is unattractive to most men. Ultimately, what attracts men to women are the traits and behaviors that make them good mothers and wives, and a high power career is not consistent with those things. Nothing to do with intimidation and everything to do with what men actually care about and find attractive in women.
Thanks for MHO.
I think at the core, it just speaks to how little women in general actually understand men.. I mean really it's not that hard, many just don't care to understand us.. I have noticed it and asked the same question.. Of course out of support and curiosity I do ask what they do and am generally interested.. Some men do care but those are the elite men.. I'm guessing..
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They have worked hard for that degree or career or position etc etc So they automatically think that somehow that is attractive to a man when all men really want is peace and cooperation.
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It's not totally unreasonable to assume... their income could help make things at home more comfortable. The problem is that women know what they find attractive, so they're kind of assuming that we would see a similar value in those traits.
I honestly don’t think most (educated) women actually DO believe that! We’re not deluded. I have a trust fund so this doesn’t really apply to me, as i was born financially independent. But I'm in college to become a clinical psychologist. My serious classmates, appreciate the financial freedom and independence that a six figure income gives us. For example, we would NEVER be “stuck” in an abusive relationship, because we have the financial means to escape from an abusive partner! That alone is a major motivating factor for many women to learn a career that will allow her to never be trapped. Do you actually have any actual data that suggests women BELIEVE that a six-figure career is something that men appreciate, admire, or even care about? I would be curious who commissioned this data be researched. As far as everything I have read, is that while men may say anything to curry favor w/ women, their main focus is beauty, youth and a very low body count! Am I wrong?
"Do you actually have any actual data that suggests women BELIEVE that a six-figure career is something that men appreciate, admire, or even care about?"
I'm not sure about data but on gag, tons of posts go like this "why can't I find a man" or "why did he choose her" and then 3 sentences in they list "I have a great career" as a reason why they think they should have a boyfriend or why they are confused he chose a girl without a great career over them.
I find that a lot of women have been conditioned to find value in doing what men do. It's why most modern women have become so masculine, because they see themselves as in competition with men, rather than truly equals that bring their own set of strengths to the table so to speak. Mostly it just means they haven't discovered what makes them great as women. This is so common sadly, but its a testament to how undervalued women are. I blame feminism.
Nice comment :) I yeah m think that’s true… I think most women want to be independent also, and I do think it is legitimate because if you are independent financially your are in a position to chose, it means freedom, and of course if makes a big difference in modern relationships and I think men should also be happy about that, if they have true self-respect
@CA4444 I think most men are happy about the financial independence, but like a lot of men, I think most women with financial independence tend to lead with their money and success, while forgetting about the aspects of being a woman that men truly love and enjoy. That's where the disconnect is.
I think feminism has basically taught women that men weren’t going to take care of them or worse that they weren’t any good or worse that they were violent rapists….. im sorry to even say it but it’s somewhere underneath the script :// the unappreciation is huge and it is key in the dynamic… in the mean time the old charming prince theme persists in women subconscious because truly they’re a bit miserable esp if left on their own with this burden to succeed so it results in a messed up situation for women
@CA4444 Wait! That’s ODD? Why on earth do you refer to women as “they” and “them”, even if you are thinking of a group, YOU are part of that group so it’s still we, only men refer to us as “them”. like when you wrote, “ men weren’t going to take care of them” or “ or worse that they weren’t any good” and “ in women subconscious because truly they’re a bit miserable”?
I have NEVER ONCE referred to women as “they” when I speak of 3rd wave feminists, I’ll write (and say) that, “Feminists try to make US feel as though WE are perpetual victims needing rescuing by (obviously) feminists! Thankfully, most of US are too smart to fall for that!”! It seems very peculiar for a woman to refer to women as “they”.
I’d like to say I don’t but I to an extent I do, if you’re working as a part-time waitress you live with your parents and have no interest in another career or even more hours and you’re my age? My jobs going well but I can’t 100% keep someone more or less so it’s kinda a necessity that they at least have a full time job if we ever plan on living together.
If you were better working than being the primary carer then why does gender matter.. Im going to sound like a bastard but women don't want equality but they want to be the domain sex... Men need to be prince charming and also a provider but they can't just be good at raising children and cooking food but a man would happily provide for a woman who was good at raising children and cooking hence the double standard that's happening and the worst bit is women are beginning to think that sleeping around or cheating is empowerment but really there pontificating the negative attitude of the toxic man. My mum was my biggest inspiration and society has easily dismissed woman and there importance and feminist easily forgotten the fathers brothers who did everything they could to help make equality happen.
It's solipsism... the women themselves value it and thus think we would as well... when we could give a shit less. It's a plus if she can support her own damn shopping habit, but I and most men don't look at a chick like "oh damn, I bet she can pay all the bills." It simply isn't a boner maker.
Actually some men are, for relationships, they want women with a good career/reputation or high caliber of some sort, they want a good match on every level, but they also do get easily tempted by any girls of course
@CA4444 No they do not. No man makes a decision on a woman based on her career. That's something we tell women to make them feel better about themselves.
@Vegasrunner well I met two, they were clearly looking for or attracted by women with a career or some sort of social recognition, a lawyer or actress or model or business woman; they said it themselves I’m not making this up; so I’m just saying some men do. And they clearly didn’t say that to make me feel better they basically said I was poor 😂 (I don’t consider myself as ‘poor’) but it was also clear that ultimately thsi wouldn’t be the main factor at all in deciding for a serious relationship, more compatibility etc.
Even at university most of my colleagues used to say they would not date a maid or similar. We wanted someone with a higher education. We want someone, like you said, at our level.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 thanks 😌
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 that's what some men say but nobody does this in practice. My neighbor is a total simp but with a good career and good looking enough and he talks about how he wants a woman on his level. Then he sees a cute waitress at an ice cream shop and says damn I'd marry that one. Clearly he doesn't actually care about careers. He never dates career women. He talks about it, goes on like a date with them and then doesn't go with them again. Says they are annoying or something like that usually.
I've never met a man who ever wanted to date a career woman except one guy who had his face tattooed up and a rap sheet who currently lives with some girl who makes money and he just stays home and smokes and plays video games.
@CA4444 Two men out of millions of men in the world is a significantly insignificant number and only validates my point. Also most men are not able to be honest w/ women because women aren't able to display maturity when they receive information that goes against their belief so most likely they told you this because they knew it was what you wanted to hear. No man has ever bee. Around a group of Alpha males and bragged about what his chick does for a living because all men inherently understand that men don't care about that. TBH this isn't a debatable point, what I try to help guys understand is why women like you feel like this. Once men understand this it's much easier to get women, the two guys that lied to you have displayed this.
@CA4444 I know this is difficult for you to hear but 0 men choose their women based on their career. Your value to men is in your beauty. A rich ugly women has no chance of competing w/ a broke beautiful girl that is how the real world works.
@Vegasrunner thanks I appreciate your answers, even if I feel like you’re a bit too confident about knowing me and what I think…😉 I never felt like this. And your statement was contradicting some of my experience.
@CA4444 Could you please share w/ me the phrase that leads you assume that "I know you" what you think? I'm not sure what your personal experience has to do w/ the question.
@Vegasrunner you’re joking right. Ok, you said ‘I know this is difficult for you to hear’. I don’t really wanna talk I’m gonna start arguing with you there’s no point 👍
@CA4444 Considering that you shut down after hearing the statement it sounds like I'm right. Are you just trying to prove my point?
@Vegasrunner I’m most definitely not.
@CA4444 Well you're doing an excellent job of doing it. You're response, actions and attitude are exactly what most men are trying to avoid which is why they don't share the truth w/ you. Think about it like this, you so much want to believe your own truth that you're willing to bring up two exceptions while ignoring millions of others actions. If men care about a women's career then why are the majority of athletes married to women no one has ever heard of? If your belief was valid wouldn't that mean that most young, physically fit, 7 figure earners would be married to women of equal financial standards? (Please don't share 1 exception and pretend it's the norm)
@Vegasrunner never said it was the norm, just pointed out some men do, still believe that, and the question was why do women believe that, so I added that because in my limited experience, the men I got close to were after those ‘successful’ women which surprised me and since i am not in this category of women they were not saying it to me to make me feel better or smth. They were rich so they could afford to be with any women and they wanted the whole package - pretty, successful, not after their money, kind, motherly etc I mean everyone wants different things it’s fine
@CA4444 So you answer is women belief this because of your two personal exceptions that can't be validated? If those guys that said they were so rich and successful please provide their names so we can do a basic Google search on them. Men routinely tell women what they want to hear because any man w/ experience knows woman can't handle the truth. The thought that these two "successful guys don't know that is pretty unlikely.
@Vegasrunner look I’m not even sure what women believe in general, or what they say to men, I can only speak for myself and I gave my experience. Feel free to conclude whatever you want with this.
@CA4444 That's a fine statement and probably true for the majority of people. in my opinion what a lot of women struggle to understand is, it's possible for them to be successful w/ relationships w/o understanding what men or women think but it's impossible for men to be successful w/o understanding how men/women think. When you bring up those two guys what I hear is two guys telling a girl what she wants to hear vs confronting her w/ the truth. I know this because of the 1000's of guys I've talked to and the 100's of girls who's behavior I've observed. Your answer is a fine answer in my opinion you believe women think way because of their personal experiences. What I'm saying is in general that's a poor way to make a decision about something.
@Vegasrunner yeah I agree actually… Also everything is ‘easy’ for women (up to a point), they don’t really need to understand men and they don’t bother… OR they like to know more to be able to ‘keep’ them. well I guess many men have their own agenda too and bon’t bother discussing ‘the truth’ with the women they meet, as they would potentially lose their chance 🙃. Or too much work to address all the misconceptions, or a lost cause. I also feel this way sometimes with men tbh and feel undervalued, misunderstood, not judged fairly etc.
@CA4444 I agree w/ all that, and that has been my positon for decades. As for the male agenda, you are correct, the reality is only a small number of men are able to actually execute their agenda, and most do what you said. Ironically what this has done is give the power to the top %20 of men or less because the 80% are viewed as pussies and women don't want them. So they share the top 20% of men giving them all the options, and then the top 20% of men treat the women the same way the women treat the 80%. The difference is women aren't as used to dealing w/ rejection, as that 80% of men are.
@bamesjond0069 speak for yourself. This was exactly what I followed and knowing my university colleagues wives I can tell you that they did too. Every single one that I am still in touch with that is in a relationship has a partner with a high education.
I guess they assume that we’re attracted to the same things in women that women find attractive in men. Which is not at all the case quite the opposite in fact.
And personally money and status aren’t even things I take into consideration when looking for a partner.
You could have millions of dollars at your disposal but all that money won’t give you a attractive personality or make you good wife, mother or even girlfriend.
This is a problem, that men have, not the ladies. I'll explain it, it's quite simple.
If the girl works and makes decent money, then "men" call her a feminist.
If the girl is unemployed and relies on men financially, then she is called a gold digger.
And don't get me started about onlyfans.
Man the fuck up and stop putting women in a no-win situation.
If a women isn't bragging about how independent she is then she's not going to get made fun of for it and men won't be turned off by her. And there's a difference between a stay at home wife and a gold digger. The stay at home wife sticks around even when the money isn't flowing for a bit. A golddigger leaves right away with no hesitation mr simp
Should have known you're one of them. But then again, this is GAG's average blue.
No you are not telling them how it is. You are trying to push them to men with no standards. Men who only care about their looks and nothing more.
Speak for yourself. Most men ask me what I do for a living and when I told them several of them lost interest. I’ve also seen on forums and also on dating sites men say they want a woman with university education and ”ambition” (aka career driven).
Don't listen to him. Yes, many guys do care about it.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Most men dont. I realized you're blue pilled so its gonna be hard for you to think otherwise but ill be making a poll soon and asking if men care about a women's finances and success
@Chthou95 Maybe you’re talking about hook ups or just attraction, but not relationships…? I mean I get it you don’t care about what we do but I see it as disrespectful that means we’re not taken seriously and we’re just gonna be used for a short and enjoyable period of time and that’s it. Or till the rest of our life with no decent conversation, that’s great. if she’s trying to compete with you with her success and career that’s a different story id stop right there... Anyway to each their own
@CA4444 Just because men dont care about that doesn't mean men don't respect you. They just care about other things. Again a lot of women think that because they're attracted to a man's goals and future and career that men are attracted to the same things but in reality most men aren't. We're attracted to different things and look for different things. There's a saying "women care about a man's future, men care about a women's past". Men dont need to know that you're making x amount or pursuing a career in a certain area to get turned on or want you. Men and women aren't the same but that's not a bad thing
@Chthou95, thanks for your reply :) I like that saying that you quoted, I think I’ll keep that in mind. To be fair I’d never brag about how much I’m making or my job to a man… or to anyone… If id talk about it that would be as part of a discussion as in between friends, to talk about what’s going on in our respective lives
You are talking about previous generation kind of men. Today, not just society changed, but economy too. In most developed countries you can't provide enough money to an entire family with just one person working.
This is not the days a person could feed a family of 5 shoveling coal.
Society and the economy changed. The general mindset is not the same it used to be.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Men dont get turned on hearing how much money a women makes. I know you want everything to be equal but it doesn't work like that
Turned on by how much they make? No. Turned on that they are independent, can take care of themselves and are not big babies? Oh yes!
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You have to be a woman. No dude is this delusional
My close group of friends is made out of 4 couples, including me and my wife. In three of them the girl makes, including in mine, the girl makes more.
Consider this me trying to help you, if you believe that women care about money more than anything you will either be alone or with someone that doesn't love you for you.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Thanks for the blue pilled talk but ill pass. I've adopted the mindset that's helping me and i stand by what i believe in. This is two brick walls trying to break eachother. It's not going to happen man
That last part is true. Have good holidays man.
apparently the key to attracting a man is to be like a man. well guess what? it doesn't work that way. a waitress at a cafe can still be more attractive and preferrable than Ariana Grande who is worth millions of dollars.
1. Some men do.
2. It's mostly the fact that WE care about how much we make. Not so much you.
I think caring about your interest's career and wanting to date you because of your career and financial status are two different things.
My ex's and interests have actually bragged about my career/credentials.
If women think that it's because they've encountered men who show interest.
But to make sure there's no confusion we get these jobs and our finances together because we want to. Not because we think men will like us because of it.
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You asked why a woman would think this, lmao. Because of her personal experience. Is she supposed to pretend that it doesn't happen if men continuously show interest in her career?
Post an up to date valid source then that states "men have zero interest in your career"
Re-read my comment above if you need any clarification on what I'm saying.
“ we get these jobs and our finances together because we want to. Not because we think men will like us because of it.” AMEN, 💯!
@CrazyGirl2 Thats a random statement that has nothing to do w/ the question. Getting your finances together is great for you but it does absolutely nothing for a man which is what the question is about
@Vegasrunner No, it really isn’t irrelevant. I have a lot of respect for your answers, and I think we’ve gotten along together well in the past, I don’t know if you intended this to be hostile, or if it was merely accidental, but as a college student, I am pretty keyed in to the reasons why women are pursuing their careers. (And I mean actual careers, not “women’s studies” or “underwater basket, weaving), I mean actual careers, like teaching, nursing, psychology, et al. For most women, we pursue careers that give us personal satisfaction. (That’s one reason why there are more female teachers, than heterosexual male teachers, in the lower grades.) But most women in college are inherently aware that our career will also give us economic freedom. And by that I mean the freedom from never being stuck in an abusive relationship. And I fully understand that that is not a major issue facing men, and I fully understand that there are many men who are abused in relationships. But that’s not what we’re talking about today. I cannot even begin to imagine the sense of hopelessness. A woman might feel knowing that her only means of financial support is the man who is abusing her. And while yes, there are shelters for women, that’s temporary. We still need to think about our long-term survival. Having that independence from a man’s income can be incredibly stress relieving, as well as reassuring. And I am sure that there are some women out there who believe that men are impressed or even give a crap about her career accomplishments, I know that’s not true. And please don’t misunderstand me, I’m not arguing with you I’m just giving you my opinion. You’re free to disagree with it but inherent in the nature of “opinions“ is that they cannot be wrong, they are simply not the same as yours.
@CrazyGirl2 the issue isn't about being stuck in an abusive relationship, the question is do we care and NO we do NOT. Should woman make money, YES but do we care NO? Like 98% of men really don't care I could pursue a Dr and a girl who works at McDonald's & not see any difference. Most men really do not care. Nobody is saying women should not have money, or start a business. It's just we don't care that doesn't make a woman. more attractive to us at all. That's something woman look for in men, but as men we don't look for security & success in a woman.
I don't think this new generation of men thinks like that.
But let's say we do. So what? Should she live her live based on what others want? Fuck that.
And let me be clear this is both for men and women. No one should live their lives in a certain way just because "one day who knows maybe there is a chance of my future partner likes this"
@CrazyGirl2 True character is getting along w/ answers that go against your POV and in this case yours is skewed. You're entire response is about why women choose their careers which is irrelevant to the original question. The original question was why do women think men care. The answer to that is that men dont. If you have a response based on that statement then great but what you are writting is a personal essay based on an emotion POV and has nothing to do w/ the original topic.
@Fuentes I was replying to @Dinklex3, when she said we work, earn money, and keep our finances in order because it’s something WE want to do, and not as the question assumes, because we think men care!
Then I replied to @Vegasrunner over his assertion that my reply to @Dinklex3 was “a random statement and nothing to do with the question”, but it was! The answer to the question is WE DON’T DO IT FOR MEN… We do it for ourselves! A woman being stuck in an abusive relationship b/c she cannot afford to leave, is a VERY real situation for MANY women. So, her working for herself, as well as to contribute to household expenses, is nevertheless her working for herself. Again NOT because she believes any man cares at all. As a matter of fact I have NEVER met any woman who was under some misguided delusion that most guys actually care about ANYTHING regarding her life, except for her looks, her youth, and her willingness to say yes to sex as quickly as possible. We are well aware that you all don’t care (at least all the girls in my friend groups, both in HS and college are well aware). So contrary to what you may think I meant, I am in FULL agreement with you. Guys don’t care, we know you don’t care, and yet… We STILL go to college, get our education, and then usually go on to grad school, and we do it for ourselves and our own financial security. And despite the premise of the question, we do all of that b/c among other reasons, SO we do not end up in an abusive relationship, finding ourselves stuck, because we are completely dependent on our abuser, and can’t afford to move out and get our own place! So again, we disagree on absolutely nothing. I fully agree that guys would rather date the 9 who works at the McDonalds, than the 7 who works as a software engineer, or the 6 who is a cardio-thoracic surgeon! I don’t know whom you are trying to convince?
@Vegasrunner WE DO NOT THINK YOU CARE (Who said WE think you guys care?)
@CrazyGirl2 lol You are talking about your personal experience in women you meet & your young. Their are TONS of delusional woman all over youtube & tiktok talking thinking men DO CARE when we do not & no the 9 at McDonald's beats the software engineer 6 as I just told you we don't look for security in women. We're MEN we do not share same interest when we're looking for a partner, women look job security, can the man provide for the family and whatever else qualifications as for a MAN. We look for looks and will she be peaceful & would she be a good mother? That's all we really look for we do not look for job security & I am not looking for a women to go 50-50 with at all. So again how can you agree with me if you think men care about what job a women has when we don't? If this wasn't a thing why is the main poster, posting this question?
This may be a hard truth to swallow but I'm telling you now we don't look for the same thing women look for when pursuing a partner & I'm sorry but most guys aren't looking for a 50-50 relationship unless their broke.
@Fuentes I have already REPEATEDLY written that WE KNOW THAT YOU DO NOT CARE! Now, I am beginning to understand why you have the reputation you do. Even when someone agrees with you, you ignore most of what they wrote, and disagree with even the smallest minutiae if that’s all that’s left to disagree with. As for me talking about MY personal experiences… Of course I am! I can hardly speak from YOUR personal experiences, now can I? Whenever these questions come up like “why do women…” I always write the same answer “Not all women DO”! Some women do, but others do not. The question is flawed from the outset, because it insinuates that all women are the same.
As far as your last statement being “a hard truth to swallow”? Bless your heart, sweetie. My mother taught me that when I was maybe 14 I believe? It was not “difficult” back then, and frankly it was a little humorous reading you explain it again, all these years later, as if it held some great revelatory wisdom. This has been real, I want to thank you for the experience. I believe that there is no such thing as a fully negative experience, something can always be learned. But I am choosing to exit this conversation now, as this just seems to be going in circles, and I prefer to keep moving forward. But again, thank you for the experience.
@CrazyGirl2 lol who cares about a reputation. It's a site where people ask questions and agree or disagree. Not some popularity contest, imagine sitting in a CIRCLE with other users and upset about one USER because he challenges your preception with reality & doesn't agree with you & is ALSO smarter then the racist on here who say disgusting things & the SJW's on here who think I should support communism, because im black so i MUST SIDE with them. NO, it won't happen & no i will not allow racist to tell me im nothing cause im of color lol. That's LIFE not everyone will agree with you and facts will always beat opinion. I responded back that you agreed & then you back pedaled and said you disagreed, so how are you agreeing if you disagree, that's confusing.
You said " I disagree that a McDonald's 9 beats a software engineer 6" so you're implying you don't agree & when I explain this is the majority of men not some percentage who wanna go 50-50 & don't care about a career, you bring a up that you agreed but you said you disagreed. I only know one language & that's the English language or maybe you were confused about what you typed.
Feminism made them delusional, yea most men don't care about woman's money.
Reading this post and some of the comments drives home the point even further that most men are clueless about women. 🤦♂️
It was never a big deal for me. As long as she had a job and some ambition it was okay with me.
I do but that's because I'm an asexual numbers guy so they don't interest me outside of the business they bring me or could bring me potentially
It's pouring Scotch into my glass so I agree
Some women care about men carerer and other might not care.
Because we do. What kind of man doesn't care if his wife is lazy and dumb?
That I can 100% assure you to be false.
You are stuck in a long past old generation mentality. Women today don't give a shit if you make a lot unless they are gold diggers. But those are not the kind of women anyone wants. Other than that as long as you have a job and are not a blob on the couch, money will be the very last thing you will be judged by.
That is normal, we live in a society run by money. That is exactly why for men is also important how much women make.
But for both it's one of the last things that will be taken into account.
Sometimes you go on a date and they talk about their job and their car for 2 hours straight.
Because feminism has lied to women, telling them a career is more important than a family.
Ehh, perhaps subconsciously we want someone in the same “class” or have the same ambition.
Only young foolish women. Or older destitute women.
We really don't lol.
It has to be delusion
It makes wense
Sense
That men have completely different views from women
Of course i am not
Women are made for the kitchen and babies
I'm glad to hear that then
Projection
Some do
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