Why do females want to be 'empowered'?

[sage2021]

Exactly what are you empowering yourself to do? Is it a goal? What happens to you if you're not empowered? At what point in your life do you know that you are totally empowered? Do you want to recognized equally with men and that's why you do it? What is the opposite of an empowered female?

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+1 y

Empowered females/girls/women/ladies come out come out wherever you are. Please answer the question in your own words. Come on - so far the guy's have said what you should have said in your own opinion. Speak up empowered females and answer the question, don't let the guy's do it for you.

[bodiesands]

Yes, but we live in the West, where women have the vote and contraception etc, and are not slaves (by any standard definition).

So does that mean there is no more 'empowerment' to fight for here? By your definition it seems to.

My definition might be more subtle. I think women are suppressed, by two main things - weak men, and trauma.

Weak men because men who have not learned emotional intelligence and regulation, and have not got a grip of their lives, cannot support them in bringing up kids in the way women rightly and inevitably want them to.

Trauma because of the catastrophic scale of sexual abuse (1 in 3 women, 1 in 6 men affected), probably most often perpetrated by men in both cases, which really amounts to the same problem - because dysregulated (traumatised) men pass the trauma on by using sex/rape as a way to manage their feelings.

By these measures, women could in fact be said to be slaves in the West after all, in certain circumstances - i. e. when they are the sex slave of their father, brother, uncle, cousin or coach when young, or when they are the emotional and childcare and even financual slave in an unhealthy marriage.

Men can have it bad too - my dad was afflicted by my mother's severely traumatised insanity for years before she left. But he wasn't perfect either, a weak, ineffectual shell of a man so emotionally constipated he just walked out the room instead of sorting out practical problems whenever and wherever they arose. So... it's complicated. There are many, many ways in which we can make each other suffer. My plan is to sort myself out, so as to able to attract someone equally stable and sorted. Because I wouldn't go for me as I am right now.

[Heartache0405]

Sounds to me like you have resentment towards men and seem to think that women are these perfect fragile creatures. I’m the extreme opposite.

[bodiesands]

No, as I said:

"There are many, many ways in which we can make each other suffer." Both men and women.

But I'll admit, even the times women have been hellish seem to have been caused by their trauma (i. e. men).

For example, my mum was a nightmare, causing me lifelong trauma which I'm now at great difficulty, length and expense trying to get rid of.

But she was like that (probably, primarily) because she was sexually abused from age 6 to 16 by an older male relative. So where does the blame begin and end? Especially if he was also abused in childhood himself.

At the end of the day, that poem (This Be The Verse, by Philip Larkin) sums it up best:

'They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.'

I won't avoid having kids forever, but I will for now. Until I'm much more sorted than I currently am.

[notwoke]

put the kool aid down, your drowning

[bamesjond0069]

Not sure. And one can be empowered to do evil and wrong things. Thats basically what they are all doing. I don't see many empowered women empowered to be great mothers or great wives.

[susie22]

Not really sure exactly what it means to be "empowered", but my dad (a former Navy SEAL) always told that if I put my mind to it I could do anything. I took those words to heart, and even though I'm a "girly girl", I still remain a bit tomboy as well, and I don't take kindly to anyone telling me I can't do something "because I'm a girl". I love my boyfriend, but I have a very good job in a male dominated field, so I'm perfectly capable of supporting myself, and I don't view myself as a competitor to guys, but as an equal. It just feels good to me to have accomplished most of my goals at a young age, with an eye on continuing to work on more goals, so if that's "empowered", I guess you could say that I am.

[whirled_up_girl]

I'm actually not sure what it would mean for me to be empowered. I just want to be able to support myself, be my best self and live a comfortable living. I don't need to be better or more powerful than anyone else, I just need feel okay with who I am and my place in the world while achieving my goals.

[sage2021]

@whirled_up_girl YOU have won 1st prize for your answer. Excellent! Because I am exactly like you did in your thought process and have done it with your own belief system. This works. Other people should try to be your way 🥇🏆👏

[whirled_up_girl]

@sage2021Thank you!

[Heartache0405]

Wish there were more western women like that. Unfortunately they are extremely few and far between

[ChrisMaster69]

As a Pink, I would have thought you were able to look around the world at exactly how things are for women.

just take something as simple as Education, how many countries allow girls to go to college or university, how many give equal funding.

Then look at Board members, how many organisations actively promote women to boards.

The company I work for sponsor various women initiatives, including coding for girls type of thing. Even a few years back, a girl walking in to a systems engineering course would be asked if she was in the right room.

The UN are also pushing this. https://www.un.org/en/ecosoc/newfunct/pdf/womens_empowerment_principles_ppt_for_29_mar_briefing-without_notes.pdf

[ChrisMaster69]

Also ‘Females’ do you mean cats and other animals.

I had thought it would by why do women or even girls and Not Females.

[sage2021]

@ChrisMaster69 now, in your eyes me using the word female means like being an animal? Only in your mind! I write females because there are all different ages on here from 13 to 70. Would you refer to a 13 year old as a woman. Would you refer to a 39 year old as a girl? Female covers all ages. Duh! You are only one opinion. And don't you tell me I need to change my writing's because YOU say so. Not sorry!! 🙄

[sage2021]

@ChrisMaster69 And don't refer me as "A pink". That is also an insult to females!

[ChrisMaster69]

Okay mate, use females if you insist.

Are you going to have a chat to GIRLS ask Guys?

Or just bin your account, as you are miles away from being a girl.

Just saying.

[ChrisMaster69]

@sage2021 no the a “Pink” was directed at you personally.

If I had meant every one else I would have dropped the “ “ and likely said Girls or women, I tend to use girls as well it’s in the name of the site and it’s far easier to type that Woman.

[sage2021]

@ChrisMaster69 I think they should have lavender for people like you - pink and blue mixed.

[ChrisMaster69]

@sage2021 what ever ducky I don’t really care, happy to wear pink if it floats your boat.

I do tend to either do purple or black, I do own some nice pink / salmon tops though.

[Lliam]

Why does "empowered" have to mean being like men? That's a fucked up way of looking at things.

Men and women are different. So female empowerment is different from male empowerment. Women should be proud of their feminine power.

An empowered woman has good posture and walks with confidence like a little bad ass. She knows that she is a match for any man sexually. She also knows that she is as smart as any man. She's capable, competent and doesn't 'need' a man to survive. She can take care of herself. She knows her value.

Women who bring feminine empowerment to the world make it a better place. It's fucked up, though, when they think empowerment means thinking and acting like men.

[sage2021]

@Lliam tell me exactly how are men and women empowered differetly? Maybe you aren't the man I once thought you were. Sorry for my mistake. I guess you are a Mama's boy so you need strong confident women to make up for your short comings. ☮️

[Lliam]

Oh really? So, the fact that I respect women makes me a mama's boy? LOL

Your comment was highly insulting.

Are you weak, dependent, subservient, submissive in all things, and incapable of surviving without a man to support you and tell you what to do? Do you think women are inferior? Aside from size and physical strength, maybe you can enlighten me on how men are superior to women.

My wife and I are equal partners. We're a team. We share and share alike to build good lives together. Neither is the boss of each other. I care for her and she cares for me. We want each other to be happy and want what's best for each other.

Both of us could survive on our own (we both did for many years), but we chose to make a commitment to each other. I love her feminine qualities but also respect her intellect, perceptiveness, intuition, inner strength, and work ethic. She's amazing. She also thinks I'm amazing. I certainly don't need her to act like my mommy. I don't act like her patriarch, either.

[Heartache0405]

How do you know that she actually wants what’s best for you? How do you know she isn’t lying to you?

[Lliam]

@Heartache0405. Because I'm not stupid. Plus, after 25 years of marriage, I can kinda tell. LOL

[Heartache0405]

That’s great. Let’s hope the next 25 don’t go downhill. Wouldn’t wanna see you losing half of everything including your children.

[notwoke]

it means they want all the traditional advantages of being a male and also to keep all the traditional advantages of being a female and accept none of the disadvantages typically born by either gender. Females underrepresented in STEM - problem. Females underrepresented in painting or carpentry - no problem. It means they want to get their way and cry sexism when asked to compromise and get a free ticket to the front of all the good lines but not have to even get in the line to go to war or take a job cleaning sewers.

[MCheetah]

Insecure women (feminists) want to steal power from the most successful men and wear it for themselves, because they project their insecurities onto all women, instead of admitting it's just their own insecurities that they have to own up to. And yes, I know a LOT about insecurities, but I still don't go around trying to destroy others because of it, like they do.

[Heartache0405]

👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[Heartache0405]

I’m not a woman but I have a feeling it’s gotta do with being the ones in power over men. Because to them men are these absolute savages who can’t control themselves. So they want everything to be about women so that if anything happens to them, society and/or the world will want to put the man under the guillotine. Then celebrate when he has been beheaded and then go on with their lives unphased. I mean, they already do that with abortion. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Msputiton]

For me being empowered which isn't a word I use, but i get it.
I play basketball, got a scholarship for it.
But growing up was shamed a lot for playing a sport "for men"
Stop telling us what we are allowed to do because we were born female.

[FelicityChi]

I want to promote my self worth by being able to determine my own choices and also have the ability to influence social change for myself and others.
I want to be someone who can survive on her own and still have her feminine charm. that is what I call empowerment.
Men will always be Men and Women will be Women.
Trying to be like a man is not what I call empowerment.

[Xtcy2083]

It's only those stupid feminists who like to drone on and on about "empowerment", but if you have to trumpet to the world how powerful you think you are, then you're not.

[Anonymous]

It just turned western women into prostitutes honestly. The crowning achievement, going from loving mothers to only fan sluts and whores. More young girls are gonna die alone or at best be single mothers than ever in history and it's because they made themselves so unlikable. Ink guys they land now are guys in they'll end up cheating on after getting bored. And even then those dudes leave when they finally find an inkling of self respect. 😂

[HighValue]

The only ones I ever hear saying they are "empowered" are promiscuous women that thinks having casual sex makes them equal to men somehow.

[BeMuse]

They can't play the game without cheat codes. They are soar losers.

[EmmaMary]

As a woman, surely you should be able to answer this yourself?

[sage2021]

@EmmaMary I am not for the feminist movement. So, why didn't you answer the question? Cause YOU don't know!

[sage2021]

@EmmaMary also just because I have a vagina doesn't give me knowledge about why women want to be empowered! ☮️

[Heartache0405]

I like you already @sage2021 👍🏻

[ChrisMaster69]

@sage2021 it’s not about possibly having a vagina, it’s about having a brain that actually works and understands basic global standards for women.

It’s not really hard, look at Afghanistan, African countries, Turkish various policies on higher education for women (head scarves etc).

Shit I’m just some dumb Geordie bloke and I know why and also don’t refer to women as Females (usually unless taking piss etc).

[ChrisMaster69]

Further to this, as a Woman of your twilight years, who has benefited from voting.

Consider and think on these words.

The antonym of empowered is enslaved... think about that.

To empower someone quite literally means to give someone the authority or power to do something. To make someone stronger and more confident, especially in controlling their life and claiming their rights

[SaoirseS]

I’m empowered, but with that comes responsibility. Gender has nothing to do with it. Shaping one’s future isn’t about feminism or other catch phrases.

[MountAverage]

What makes you think the word "empowered" means something different for women? It just means being independent and in control of their own lives and decisions.

[sage2021]

@MountAverage another user, Lliam, stayed that men and women are empowered differently. Maybe you should ask him since he thinks he knows just about everything possible.

[MountAverage]

Then I misunderstood your question, I suppose. To me it sounded like you were questioning the meaning of empowerment of women in general, not *what* this female empowerment exactly is and how it's done. But anyway, yeah women are empowered in a different way, obviously, because the social starting points are quite different than for men.

[Hangry06]

I think it means to not be questioned for my decisions based on gender. Having the option to be and do what i want.
It means to not be seen by my gender first

[jahaims]

Empowered:make (someone) stronger and more confident, especially in controlling their life and claiming their rights.

[Heartache0405]

That’s what they want you to think but that’s not their true goal. They manipulate definitions of things to make it sound good, than do the opposite to the extreme

[Anonymous]

When I here women talk about being "empowered" they always sound like such immature little girls.

[MemeSupreme]

people like to be hyped up and felt heard. that just goes for about everyone

[Still-alive]

they just want to be treated equally and not have to depend on men

[Still-alive]

just treat and respect them like normal human beings. thats what most women like as i've discovered. don't look down, and don't put em on a pedestal either. they are just normal human beings.

[Heartache0405]

They do the whole pedestal thing themselves 😂

[Still-alive]

@Heartache0405 nooo i've seen crazy incels obsess over women. they do it too

[Heartache0405]

I’m sure they have good reason to @Still-alive

[Still-alive]

@Heartache0405 like what? whats a good reason to obsess over a woman and put them on a pedestal?

[Heartache0405]

I’m pretty sure they’re not putting women on any pedestals 😂

[Still-alive]

@Heartache0405 lol you're wrong then

[Heartache0405]

Alright, how are they doing that then? Merely by talking about them?

[Still-alive]

@Heartache0405 I've seen guys obsess over a woman soo much that they project things onto them and ignores their true personalities. then when that woman either refuses their advances or rejects them or merely hooks up with a guy they don't like they turn on her and in some cases harass or stalk them.

[Heartache0405]

Those aren’t incels those are just bad men. But I guess people like you easily confuse the two. I don’t blame you for being stupid

[Still-alive]

@Heartache0405 nope they are incels. they really desperately want to get laid but can't. :)

i know you can't handle me being right. its ok.

[Heartache0405]

Even if you were it doesn’t have anything to do with me. I’m voluntarily celibate meaning I prefer to be sexless. Incels should be too.

[Still-alive]

@Heartache0405 why because you can't get laid? you fell for the mgtow bullshit? sucks to be you

[Heartache0405]

Nah, because I hate sex. I find it repulsive. Why would I want to plug myself into something with legs? 🤮 mgtow is the closest thing to describe my sexlessness. People like you couldn’t understand

[Still-alive]

@Heartache0405 riiight ok. you hate sex so the best thing for you to do is to join a right wing loserdom group like mgtow? get the fuck out of here lol. you just can't get laid. and you are probably a shiitty dude too which is why you can't get a woman to like you either.

[Heartache0405]

I identify as mgtow / right wing because I’d prefer not to be a jackass who caters to women like you. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Still-alive]

@Heartache0405 i don't cater to them. i treat them like regular everyday human beings as i stated originally.

welp im tired of this conversation. you clearly have an agenda and have your head up your ass so get out of here

[Ms_Vanderquack]

Do you just not understand what words mean?

[RealMarek]

So they get to slave away to make the rich richer, just like most men in the workforce?

[Anonymous]

It's a part of who I am. It's like I don't want to be equal to man, I already know I am haha

[Opinion Owner]

Men* my bad

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

To them it means to be viewed as equally and given equal opportunities.

[boobliker]

they always have been they just don't know it!!!