Why do women need constant empowerment?

[Anonymous]

no one ever told me women are weak. i don't think women need to be empowered. and why do people think men should be emasculated for women to feel stronger. if all men become weak and suddenly women were stronger in all aspects, have women really become empowered?

[DDpsy]

For the last few generations is because everyone made it a fucking point to boost their confidence and "empowerment" since they were born. Everywhere you turn there is a some shit about how great and powerful, smart and awesome women and little girls and women are. Since they are so used to it they go crazy whenever anything goes even slightly the other way. When was the last time you have seen something in pop culture try to boost the confidence of little boys. it's all about being self motivated and self empowered for men since you can bet your ass it's not going to come from outside.

[Creepazoid]

Becsuse feminist 3rd and 4th wave are bored, have nothing going on in their lives, and want to be part of something like feminism to feel like they belong to something important. Unfortunately 1stwave and 2ndwave feminist already got everything that is worth fighting for and has already made women an equal counterpart for men so the new feminist will make shit up about being oppressed for vadility.

[MajesticTwelve]

We don't. Most intelligent women haven't asked for it. The very loud minority and the media seems to think we want or need it, and is dead set on brainwashing everyone, men and women, that it's a thing.
People buy in to it the same way they buy in to victimhood and the desire to be special and better than everyone else.

[Anonymous]

It's annoying. I hate doing normal things and being praised like I found the cure for cancer.

[Asker]

exactly. if a woman is able to do something she'll do it and won't wait for encouragement from a celebrity or whatever.

[Opinion Owner]

I agree. Almost all the women in my family are hugely successful and that's because of our work ethic and not Twitter campaigns by celebs hahaha.

[ChronicThinker]

Okay, I think you're being a touch dramatic here.

Women are generally empowered due to remaining social stigma regarding their sex - though I do agree with you somewhat here because I think the biggest part of removing the idea that women are "weak" is to stop acting as though we have to constantly prove otherwise.

However, while SOME radicals might think that men need to be put down, most women who are apart of female empowerment movements don't think men need to be emasculated in order for women to be empowered.

There's plenty of people like me who have healthy criticisms towards the modern feminist movement who also think it's still important to empower women in certain areas - such as not over-valuing your appearance as your only "asset" and actually recognizing yourself for your accomplishments. Or not titty-shaming mothers who breastfeed their kids in public.

While also being able to say: "Hey, ladies, there sure is still some shitty social issues regarding gender, but we're really not as oppressed as some other places in the world. I. E. places where child marriage and marital rape is still legal."

[dancing_in_nebulas]

It's a form of misogyny to me honestly.

A woman has to be praised for being strong and capable like a man to have validity as a person?

It's a war against femininity really.

Female "empowerment," like this, teaches a woman to be ashamed of being a woman.

That femininity is 2nd class to masculinity.

They are harmonious actually.

I work in a factory, where the men voluntarily carry most the heavy things, and subject themselves to the most uncomfortable jobs instead of the women doing it.

Does that make them stronger or better?

No - efficiency of our genders.

85% of the production is done by women. On purpose. We are very meticulous and detailed by nature, organized and multi-task effortlessly. The male production teams, have to most issues with hitting their numbers, due to simply being annoyed by it, due to constant stops from materials being all over- but can move and cut meat all day lol.

Meanwhile, the female dominant teams are very clean, organized, and pop out products in the thousands an hour.

But...

Its beautiful gender harmony.

The men gather, cut, and deliver to us the 45-65ib tubs of products all day; we get it packaged.

When there's a lack of men, production slows down by like 35%, due to the women struggling to move all the heavy shit ourselves.

When there's less women, the men move very slow and argue over who does what in assembly - it's boring to them, and most don't notice or catch on to utilizing space and resources to crank product out.

We ladies get pretty creative, to the point that we help the guys get home early, by hitting our numbers often.

Gender Harmony.

Not gender equality.

Women needing empowerment, is misogynistic.

We do fine being weaker, more submissive and cute okay lol.

I'm proud of being feminine. I'm proud of wearing makeup, dresses, heels, being neat, an expected cook, delicate, feeble, flirty, fun, nurturing, detailed, intricate, less aggressive etc...

That's the only empowerment I want - that I'm never ashamed of my beautiful feminine nature.

[Gabrielskaddadle]

Amazing answer!!!

[Gabrielskaddadle]

To use the phrase i dont like you seem like someone that is empowered not becuz of what u do becuz u know who you are what u want and you're not scared to voice your opinions

[UnicornLobotomy]

You are wise beyond your years. What do you attribute to that? Is it mostly due to your own introspection and hard work or do you attribute some of that to your up-bringing/parent (s)?

[dancing_in_nebulas]

@UnicornLobotomy

A little of both. Its obvious, I'm not built like a man, but I excel at different things than he does, naturally.
The women in my family are southern raised, we are used to GENTLEMEN - men who are harmonious to women, not trying to overstep us or use us. Likewise, we are ladies, and a lady is harmonious to men - not out of submission or obedience, but out of embracing our natures. We are nurturing, in everything, be it home or work.

But gentlemen also see us as human, and they praise us for being all the cute and unique feminine things we are. Like buying us jewelry and perfumes, just to see us get excited like he does when we buy him that saw he really wanted.

Ladies dont put men down for being men, and gentlemen dont put women down for being women.

The problem now, is that a man criticizes a woman for liking feminine things, and women criticize both men and other women, for liking masculine and feminine things, that don't agree with their overstepping ideas of NEW GENDER ROLES.

I just flick my hair over my shoulder and keep these heels clanking the street.

I work 85+ hours a week, as a pretty little waitress, a factory worker, and a full time micro biology student.

I bring home almost 5000.00 a month, work my ass off to keep my grades good, eat good home cooked food I made, in a 4 bedroom house all for myself. MYSELF. It's not fair to not have your own things to a partner who does.

I know I'm doin shit right- I dont need a pat on my back for being a responsible adult, only cuz I'm a "woman.'

The day I do get a husband, he will be treated like the gentleman he is, and we will live well together.

[UnicornLobotomy]

Wow, 85+ hours a week will "empower" you all by yourself. That's tough row to hoe. One thing though, a gentlemen will want to be the leader in the relationship otherwise he's lying to himself and to you. A gentlemen will tag along for awhile if there are signs of disagreements in the relationship and he caves more often than you, but eventually he'll simply leave before drama builds up. You gave all the definitions of a gentlemen that are true, except that he will want to be the leader.

[dancing_in_nebulas]

@UnicornLobotomy

What do you mean by leader?

Both sexes have leadership positions in a relationship.

At least the ones that last lol.

A girl making good money and having a voice, doesn't deprive a man of anything.

He also has a voice, money, and his position next to her so, that makes them both leaders.

[DiyaRoseBud]

Gender Harmony - My new phrase for 2019. LOVE IT <3 beautiful answer

[Hydrogen]

I don't like these sensitive topics but I'll say it. This goes same for parties that have different sexuality preferences. It's about power. If you ran a country and it contained many different types of people as it is now, don't you think that would be hard to control? Every person is different by something. But, if you can make everyone believe they are the same thinking they are united with high tolerance to these differences between eachother, wouldn't it be easier to run your country? If we all thought the same or nearly the same, shared the same jobs and had our "equality" that we beg for so much. If one person had a thought and 10,000 others had the same thought, isn't it easier to control them? Equality is great but right now all we have is pointless arguments between us, people. Money cancels equality. Don't forget that. Money is what bends the rules, any rules. Women will get their empowerment and they'll beat men in near future, but not because of protests and arguements over the internet. But because of power elite opening their trap and letting them get that fake equality they want. Want to be equal? Do it without media and government. If your women rights group is funded by government it's your automatic loss. They bought you. Why? Because they want people to be the same. But when it comes to decision making, money will always come first. Why? Because money cancels equality.

[ecfresh]

You are asking 2 separate questions. Yes females still need to feel empowered because there are still many areas of life that men dominate and girls don’t see role models. They should be encouraged to go for anything they want to try for and shouldn’t give up just because only men have had success up till now.

No, men or women should be reduced or purposefully passed over for opportunity. Equal and fair opportunity should be for all. To answer this part there are some who have an agenda to reduce men and that’s not right.

You can still want to empower women while believing in equal opportunity for success.

[Asker]

but we should also admit that no one encouraged men to go and create those positions of power and then occupy them. if men can do it without someone constantly telling them how great they are then women can do too. i don't think in order to help women improve their lives you need to give them a false sense of power

[hahahmm]

Men dominate many areas because women are naturally less interested in most of those areas. This is why when you look at countries with zero barriers to women you find LESS women in STEM fields than in a place like the U. S.

The women who were interested did it without all the hype, long ago. Like the ones who worked at NASA in the 60s

[ecfresh]

@Asker. Men biologically have more testosterone and thus are more aggressive and willing to initiate and take risks more than women. Biologically woman have more estrogen and are more inclined to crave safety and security. Therefore as you said men did it first, but part of a guy’s job is to encourage his loved ones to have courage and take risks. Yet another reason why nuclear families are so important in society as a good father will support his daughter and encourage her to dream big dreams even if she sees places women have never succeeded before.

@hahahmm I understand the STEM example and yet know women who excel in these disciplines and encourage girls who enjoy math to not shy away from STEM because it’s the boys club in school. I would never want to force someone into a career to fill a quota, man or woman. Women who worked at NASA did so the best way they could but also it wasn’t ever easy. They now are role models for new women to follow in their footsteps.

Again I will summarize with a positive tone. I have a 5 year old niece and she loves life and she is interested in all kinds of things. I want to encourage that interest and support her to reach her full potential. I don’t want her to reach any glass ceilings or back down just due to being a girl. I also have a 4 year old Godson and want the exact same opportunity for success and happiness in his life. Can’t we all agree in this universal message of support and encouragement for our loved ones?

[Anonymous]

"Why do women need constant empowerment?"
Constant empowerment? I don't think we do, but some things need to be encouraged like studying and working in fields that used to be exclusively for men.

"no one ever told me women are weak."
You never heard the phrase "you hit/cry like a girl" or men calling each other nancy? Feminity is associated with weakness. I work with men and at first they didn't even let me lift the water cans like wtf i'm a grown up woman, I can get a glass of water by myself.

"why do people think men should be emasculated for women to feel stronger."
If you're talking about feminazi shit, they don't represent the majority of us and besides "tradicional" men thinking dows that. My (male) coworker told me that during lunch the cook made a waitress come their way so they could stare at her rear and as he was saying nasty things about her my coworker told him he was being disrespectful and the men on the tablet started laughing and mocking him, saying he liked dick and stuff like that.. that's what men do to each other if they're not "manly" (disgusting)

"if all men become weak and suddenly women were stronger in all aspects, have women really become empowered?"
That would be technically accurate I guess but the point of feminism is to be equal to men and that's what all this "empowerment" should be about, portraying women as "strong" and valuable as men in every aspect.

[Asker]

1. women started working in fields like medicine not because they were encouraged but because they wanted to. if women don't usually work in certain fields perhaps they don't want to.
2. if you tell a man he hits like a girl is like telling a woman she looks manish. people don't want to be compared to their opposite gender. plus we all know women are not as physically strong as men but that's different from saying women have weak character.
3. i know that not all feminists are feminazis but feminazis have the loudest voice among all feminists. they get the most attention and represent their whole movement and other feminists don't seem to mind being represented by these people. that's why i can't really distinguish between these different sub groups of feminists because i look at like this. if they don't disagree with each other they probably agree with each other and are the same.
4. if women want to be equal they should let go of all their privileges. i'm not necessarily saying women are at an advantage ( i believe they are but whatever) but to be equal they should get rid of all the things like getting all the support in courtrooms, getting lighter sentences, benefiting from identity politics, etc. and if you're going to say that men have privileges too, then we're already equal. everyone has their own privilege.

[Opinion Owner]

1 so? men (and women) join the army because they want to, but they're still encouraged to do so. I don't see anything wrong with encouraging women to try new things especially when it's about education because it would be beneficial for the society as a whole

2 no, it's not calling a woman manly because they're not talking to a woman, it's "insulting" for a man to be compared to a woman in any aspect and it's not that people don't like to be compared to the opposite gender but that people don't what to be identified with what is considered bad from the opposite gender, like female weakness. I feel proud because I fixed the toilet, I don't feel "manly" because I did a plumber's job but i'm proud because I was able to do what is considered a "man's job".

3 you can't distinguish it because you don't want to and because the media only shows the extremists like it's the norm. Fixing the toilet is being a feminist, burning shit down and insulting men while naked on the streets is being a feminazi.

4 I agree with you that we should not have privileges, that's not under discussion. I do not think i am better than a man and i don't think a man is better than me and i simply want the same respect and posibilities that men have.

[Asker]

joining the army is different. everyone should be encouraged to join the army even men because we don't inherently like to do that. i listened to one of Jordan Peterson's talks and he said that when they started implementing the idea of gender quotas in Scandinavia it backfired. he said more women sought careers in traditionally female professions and avoided traditionally male professions. and for your second point i should say i totally disagree. being female is not bad. there are positive and negative attributes associated with female sex. like i would hate it if someone told me i run like a girl or hit like a girl but i would like it if someone said i can multitask which is thought of as a feminine trait. how would you like it if someone told you, you have man hands or you're hairy like a man? i'm sure you wouldn't like that but does that mean men are ugly? or is it because you don't like being compared to men?

[Opinion Owner]

"everyone should be encouraged to join the army" I won't get into that because I see soldiers as legal contract killers and that's an unpopular opinion and it's not related with the subject
"when they started implementing the idea of gender quotas in Scandinavia it backfired."
I know nothing about that, what is "gender quotas"? I'm simply saying that it is a positive thing to do to encouraged people to explore different careers instead of going for traditionally gender biased professions and that goes for both genders
"how would you like it if someone told you, you have man hands or you're hairy like a man? i'm sure you wouldn't like that but does that mean men are ugly? or is it because you don't like being compared to men?"
Like I said, i don't think the problem is being compared to the opposite gender but that we don't like to be compared with what is considered a bad stereotype on the opposite gender. That's not saying men are ugly, some men don't like hair either and being considered hairy is not a good thing not for men and not for women unless it's in the top of the head. And i do have "men hands" btw😂

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

Empowerment is a misnomer, women are empowered to be less like women and more like men. They empowered to work, and be independent.
If women were truly empowered society would be revering the traits that women posses, such as superior multi-tasking skills, nurturing, child rearing, child teaching, healing, Art, etc

The reason they need "Empowerment" constantly is because its not normal for women to work 9-5 for 40 years. Its not what women want. Most women want committed relationships and to pursue their passions. If you are dedicating yourself to a job, you aren't pursuing your passion. and you can't be in a committed relationship.

So we need to empower women to not feel pressured to work. And to fulfill the role they were designed for. Motherhood/child rearing

Its why female empowerment in our society is focused on working a middle-management job and being a consumer. Not on being a mother and a pillar of strength in the community, which is the role women should have.

[AuroraRoseat]

Society told us that we're weak, meant to be in the kitchen, not as intelligent as men, powerless etc. for decades. These toxic beliefs are still being pumped out in various forms especially through the media. The empowerment of women is to acknowledge that women can go against stereotypical gender roles and they don't need it to define them.

No emasculation of men should be occurring. The empowerment of some is not the detriment of others. It's equality. You might still be thinking in that stereotypical mindset. Men should be free to do whatever they want and not be forced to follow society's conditions (such as suppressing harmful emotions, silencing their pain, forcing themselves to constantly seek approval/validation/affirmation in EVERY INTERACTION of their lives that they are worthy of being a man). Society does this AGAINST YOU and emasculates you if you do not meet its cultural definition of what a "man" happens to be. Women being empowered has nothing to do with that.

[Asker]

well then how can we explain all the weak clumsy male characters we see in the movies lately? isn't that the emasculation of men that those hollywood jerks are promoting? beside that you said society has told women that they're weak. well if women believe that then that is a form of weakness. you think every strong guy in the world has always been praised and complimented by others? no they have been pushed around but they didn't believe what society told them. and the fact that society has set some standards for men is something that men should appreciate and i'm glad that society wants me to be stronger than what i used to be.

[AuroraRoseat]

1) I have seen a common theme about irrational stupid male characters but I see that among the women as well (bimbos, unable to make rational decisions, rampant stereotypes). I don't think most people believe in those because it's done for comedic effect.

What I would be concerned about is the promotion of certain men as being "men": those who are aggressive, violent, rude etc. while showing that they are the ones that usually get women. But I agree with you: media sources need a severe overhaul in how they portray diverse characters and not align with stereotypes or offensive exaggerations that someone who doesn't think for themselves might believe.
2) I meant weak as in unable to take care of ourselves, unintelligent--essentially we need a man to be our caretaker. Not all women are like this and if some want to be that way, good for them. The issue is that it forced all women to go through it.

3) I don't think society wants you to be stronger though. What it's promoting is a toxic mindset (violence, suppression of emotions, promotion of anger, devaluing women etc.) while making you believe that this is what it means to be a "man". It's honestly sad to me to see men suffering and going through this, something that a woman will never have to. We get pressured by society to be thin and look a certain way, but if we consciously shirk off those stigmas, we're absolutely fine. Men are CONSTANTLY burdened by this and if they try to go against it, they're demonized.

Sorry you feel that way though.

[Asker]

but how can society promote a toxic mindset when they speak against the very things you mentioned? devaluing women? women have never been more valued. all these privileges that men don't have and you're still devalued? i always find it funny when women say that society doesn't let men express their emotions. do you think we're bursting with emotions and we're trying to hold it in? we're not emotional like women are and i don't want to say that we're cold but most of these emotions that you're talking about don't exist

[AuroraRoseat]

I’ll explain how you’re wrong later.

[englisc]

Because feminism teaches them that men are keeping them from success, and that they need empowerment. That's really how feminism justifies it's own existence - it can only offer something to women if it can convince them that they need it because they're victims.

[Jammers14]

I definitely don’t require empowerment from anyone... I already know my worth. 😉

[Giggletr0n]

Classic feminism debate, but the simple answer is that we have all (in civilised societies) been equally treated based on genders for many, many years now but due to some traditional values that are widely accepted or just those of us in positions of influence or power a lot of us still assume that we as men need to cave in and treat women like they are made of glass and that they need constant empowering, when in reality women have always been just as strong and capable as men are.

[GreatnessBack]

LOL.
Do you know what's funny?

Empower mean to give (someone) the authority or power to do something.
www.google.com/search

So, empowered people have no power unless it's given to them.
This has nothing to do with the question, I think, but it's a funny observation to me.

[aa180]

They don't need to be empowered, they need to be dominated - exactly the opposite.

[Asker]

i mean why do people want to constantly empower them like in the media?

[aa180]

No idea

[NorthwestRider]

My fiancée is the dominant one

[YetiG]

They did at a certain point, and some still do, but I think everyone should be reassured, regardless of gender.
Toxic masculinity has fucked up a lot of men these days.
Neither gender DESERVES better than the other, everyone should be equal. Although that's extremely hard these days when bigots and pass down sexism to their kids.
It's hard to say what would remedy this without some rediculously distopian government interference.
So who knows

[00mikey07]

Women are in fact a lot stronger then guys are in a lot of different ways I don't think physically they are stronger but mentally and psychiatricly women can fake and play dead how many men is gonna jump to help ever guy that s around a guy if he plays dead who's gonna wash him up probably next to no one himself or a friend or two might its all about that social network its what now a days brings empowerment back then we slapped a bitch for thinking she could fight a man try that shit today and your going to jail with a restraining order and a bunch of more b. s. to go with it women did that I don't hear if really any guy stepping up to defend what little right we have left women really got more rights then men do

[Anonymous]

They have been brainwashed by feminist especially young girl that’s why they are so trash nowadays they say they want equality we all know they fuckin don’t who knows what they fucking

[yenofed840]

Because still some men think women as inferior to men. instead of the understanding world is running because of women, she gives birth, raises child, takes care of family members, always tries to support a family member or close ones, etc. that is why still women need constant
because they are still lack of their right. Every govt must give empowerment to women

[JohnAlaska43]

I agree with you.
Men are Men and Women are Women.
Stop trying to make these roles diffrent.
Women can he confident in who they are. Just like Men.

[UnicornLobotomy]

Because power over men is not common nor natural for most women to attain. We live in a new society where brute strength is not as necessary nor valuable as it was historically across cultures.

[Anonymous]

I also don't get this movement. I'm a women and fight for what i want just like guys. I don't need women empowerment programs and neither did my grandmother

[grega239]

Feminist indoctrination.
If you need constant empowerment, special interest groups and the government to create special laws (affirmative action, workplace gender quotas, the Duluth model) then you are weak.