If girls only like a guy when he starts gain fame doesn't mean that they can't love a guy for being himself?

[chris_987]

I remember once when I used to run track, and I made it on tv, I had a couple of girls reach out to me when they saw me on tv, which is sad because girls should just like guys because of status.

[Anonymous]

I think that you can love a person for who they are regardless of where they're at in life. However, most relationships don't work out because there are needs not being met.

For some people, they look for someone with high status because that will help them achieve whatever need they are desiring. For other people, they're just looking for stability. It's also possible that maybe those people who saw you on TV didn't know you beforehand, they might have seen you around but didn't know much about you. Maybe they couldn't find any reason to reach out before (without it being weird) so you being showcased gave them an opportunity to open up conversation with you.

[chris_987]

But the opposite happens for attractive girls. My amplifier might have been the TV but their amplifier to get notices that they have a vagina tits and ass. So when I'm walking and nobody notices me, it's the same as a girl who is flat chested walking around looking ugly. But if she got surgery to enhance her attributes it would be like me showing up on TV and then people noticing me.

[devilish-cutie]

doesn't mean they can't love a guy for being himself, being famous doesn't mean you are not ysf. Thing with popularity is pretty common that when a person is popular it means its kinda worth more and therefore its more attractive to anyone really. Look at it as in highschool, popular people are usually people that are charismatic, interesting, sucessful, pretty... and everyone wants to be friends with them

[chris_987]

Yeah, but you're assuming the girl isn't liking the guy so that she can increase her popularity. The only way to know that she's truly genuine is if the guy had all the opposite traits and she liked him. Because anybody can like somebody that you're supposed to like. But if you like somebody that everybody finds repulsive, then you know it's true love.

A good example is Jesus. He said that he had no beauty that anybody would desire him, but yet that's the form that God chose. So you know you got it backwards when you're going after someone that everybody is already after. And I think that's why a lot of girls end up choosing the same toxic guys and will gladly be the third baby mother.

[devilish-cutie]

well you are not gonna choose someone repulsive, so really its all about what you are attracte to
if someone is attracted ONLY to populairty then that person its superficial, thing is that popularity only kinda increases someones value... Also as people are only after for someone cause of their popularity, thats why for famous people is hard to know who likes them genuinely for who they are, same with rich people. That doesn't mean you shouldn't go for someone rick/famous if you like them for who they are

[chris_987]

Okay, let's stick to the topic. The reason why I felt that way was if you think about it a guy courting a girl is basically convincing her to like him right? The only time a guy doesn't have to court a girl is if he's famous. Like Justin Bieber or Drake. I was watching a podcast where Chris Brown was saying that girls wait outside his concert and he chooses which one to sleep with. No dates, no food, no nothing. So the fact that the average guy has to do dates food courting just so he can sleep with the girl. You could argue that one has to convince her while the other famous guy doesn't.

Even in my life if a girl likes me. She'll say to herself. I hope that he comes over and talks to me. And let's just say that I decide to talk to her. It's still up to me to mess up the interaction. Even though she liked me first, do you understand what I'm saying?

[devilish-cutie]

okay but you need to know that a lot of women wouldn't sleep with someone just cause he is famous, so women that would do that are one type of woman (eg. like golddigers) and those women usually have agenda, like to brag they slept with someone like that, to get pregnant and get money from that guy, to be famouse themseves and get in that circle of people. So you cannot compare regular everyday woman to that type of woman. Woman open to ons will sleep with a guy she met at the club cause she was attracted to him even if he wasn't famous. If a woman wants more from a guy she will expect that guy to court her cause she needs to see if he has qualities that she is looking for. But its also not true that only men put an effort. Women put plenty of effort with men as well, we are also responsable of keeping the conversation as well, we can also say wrong things that can put guys off, we are also expect to always look pretty for a man and dress up and maintain much higher beauty standards than men, we are also expected to give birth if our partner wants a child, we also provide emotional support for men... generally effort has to be from both side or it won't work.

[devilish-cutie]

I also dont know why you guys keep sayin men do everything, that really pisses me off, i know a lot of women expect guys to make first move, but those are just first moves, but many women i know, myself included, put so much effort... i have stared at guys a lot, approached them, initiate conversations, messages them , added them on social media etc. And you know what a lot of men felt u were taking their role so wtf u know, get it together. its like that narrative is not true... women do so much to convince men they like them and to approach them and most guys are so afraid to do anything especially when they like a girl, they only have big balls when they dont care as much and are either shooting their shot or harrasing us

[chris_987]

I'm just going to focus on one main thing to destroy your argument. There are more women in the world than men. I think it's 51% women and 47% men. So by your logic if women approach men that would mean that men would have more sexual experience is than women. Because there are more women. But the exact opposite is happening. There are more male virgins than there are female virgins. So you tell me if women are always putting in all this effort to get man and there are more women. Why would there be more men that don't have any experience with women?

[devilish-cutie]

3% in difference is highly irrelevant, it does not make any great impact, it is only so cause women live longer. There is no statistic to prove there are more virgins that are men than women and there will never be as that is something people will never be honest about, men however are way more vocal about it as they are pressure to have sexual experiences while women are shamed for it. I didn't say most women approach men, i said its a dance in which we all play a part and yes, women that do approach including myself do get rejected as well. Approaching also doesn't mean sex so your logic also makes no sense, women may approach in order to have relationships, not just ons.

[chris_987]

So you believe that it's impossible for a man who doesn't approach women to get into a relationship because women approach men all the time.

[devilish-cutie]

your sentance makes no sense... i never said women approach men all the time, you are twisting my words, i said its a dance in which both sides put an effort. And I mentioned how I as some women that i know even do all the approaching things. Also this approaching men bitch about is ridiculus, even when they do all the first moves, at the end of the day women have a full time job of cooking, cleaning and taking care of the kids. So even if men do all the things you say, women fully do many other things, way more and way longer. I said your comment makes no sense cause if you are saying that women approach men all the time how can by that be concluded that it is impossible for a man who doesn't approach women to get into relationship? wouldn't it mean that if a man doesn't approach a woman and she approaches him mean that he can get into one?

[chris_987]

Okay so you just admitted that women don't approach men all the time. Let's say hypothetically if men stopped approaching women, how would women get into relationships? Since they're waiting for men to approach them.

[devilish-cutie]

We are running in circles, yes not all women approach, but women lure men as well, so its not all mans doing. do you see how many guys ask ridiculus questions here about being 100% sure a girl likes them before even approaching? Why do you think they even think those women like them? Those women must have done something to make men think they have a chance

[chris_987]

Lure? I wouldn't call being born a woman as luring in a man, if the didn't want attention the they would dress like nuns

[devilish-cutie]

yes, lure, stare at them, manipulate situations to make guys come to them, you dont seem to know much about being a women, we can make a man approach us by manipulation and we often do it. I think you are too much in theory, what is this "approaching"? On the street/bar? Those are more rare things and at bars people look for ons. In real life you get to know the person in school/at work etc. and it comes from interaction, women sometimes approach first and say hi, you must be new coworker/student im bla bla... so I don't know what you talk about

[chris_987]

So in your mind a woman touching her hair or falling down in front of a guy is her manipulating the situation so that the guy can approach her. Even if that is true, the guy still has to ask the girl out or be aware of that. She likes him. So you haven't disproved my point that men ultimately have to lead in their interactions with women. So a girl could be highly approachable but if he doesn't know how to set up a date or ask her out. Her being in love with him isn't going to matter.

[devilish-cutie]

when i think it, to be honest, i know its social expectation that men do approaching and all that first moves, but i have surely approached men many times and initiated those things even more than guys toward me... and i know plenty of my female friends that did those things as well, other than that i cannot claim what is in general cause I don't know the business of other people to claim that, all i can provide is my experience and that is not as have been what you claim

[chris_987]

Imagine having a debate with someone about racism and the person says me and my friends don't experience racism so I don't know if it exist. I would say to that person, you are incapable of looking at the world and extrapolating a general idea of what's going on in the world. so people like that shouldn't really have an opinion about anything because all they can give is their niche anecdotal experience.

And the reason why they don't know anything is because they don't care enough to actually get into it. But they do care enough to share their opinion Even though they don't reflect reality.

Is any of this making sense to you?

[devilish-cutie]

yes it makes sense, honestly, i dont know what is your problem but trust me men do not do everything when it comes to approachin, that is my opinion in general. From my own experience and things I've seen. Any racism opinion of mine is based on that as well, I do see racism. When it comes to men approaching, its more like yeah a guy is the one that will propose but in many cases the woman is the one that told him she wants to get married, its been prior agreed on and he just has to do the act. That is often the same in appraoching, guys like to be 100% sure woman will not reject them before they do anything. I've been told men are brave, strong, initiative, that has not been my experience nor i see women not being brave, strong, initiative... when it comes to sex yes a lot of women like the man to do everything, so i can agree on issue there, but when it comes to approaching, no. So we can just agree to disagree

[chris_987]

So what small town are you from.

[devilish-cutie]

I am from capital actually

[chris_987]

Washington DC?

[devilish-cutie]

no, as stated in my profile i am not from USA

[chris_987]

So where are you from, cause maybe your population doesn't match the rest of the world

[devilish-cutie]

I live in UK

[chris_987]

Well city, London, Melbourne or Wales?

[devilish-cutie]

capital is london as far as i know, look i told you we can simply agree to disagree, you dont have to belittle me trying to prove that im wrong by the way i live, on this site y'all from USA act like we are all from USA and only your reality exists

[chris_987]

How can I belittle you, your probably bigger than me, and I'm definitely not from the US that place is a shit hole

[devilish-cutie]

sorry, yeah i saw you are from Canada, anyways, Canadaian are known to be polite and proper so maybe there guys are expected more to initiate things and girls to wait. in more tempermental countries is not really so, like do you know why i approach men? Cause if i wait on them its eternity, i dont have that much time

[chris_987]

So are you saying if I walk around London town eventually a girl that like me will approach me

[devilish-cutie]

haha of course not, thats why i asked you what you mean by approaching, random approaching is rare even for guys, on the street its more like harassing/catcalling, thats not approaching. Also in the clubs guys will approach more cause they are only looking for sex. But when it comes to dating and you are eg. at work place, school and there is someone you like that person even if a woman will initiate things with you if she likes you, like try to talk to you, get to know you and possibly ask to hang out or something if the guy seems to be into her as well. On dating apps guys are more likely to text first, but thats cause its socially expected, but if a woman likes a guy and he is not making moves but it seems to her he might be into her or she is really into him she may also do something to get him. Girls will put an effort when they like a guy, when they dont they won't. So its not all about "approaching"

[chris_987]

So we went all around the world and this conversation just for you to admit that girls don't approach guys! Well it took us a while but you finally admitted I was right

[devilish-cutie]

Wow YOU Are delusional

[devilish-cutie]

So od i come to Canada a guy i like will approach me? Lol lol lol

[chris_987]

Lol I never said I approached girls, unless they got an ass that can't be denied