Why women have become so masculine nowadays?

[Shrimpenjoyer]

Why they like that?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

I find it laughable that one if your responses to another post say that women who are aggressive, insults, lack empathy and are blunt are suddenly masculine. It's insulting to men who aren't like that at all and it infantilizes women as having to be silent and capitulating to others whims and desires. That's just weird.

If you want to qualify yourself as having those traits then it doesn't make you "masculine" it just makes you a jerk.

[Shrimpenjoyer]

Look, when I speak of "masculine" In this context I am speaking of the negative aspects of male behavior, of "masculinity".

Those traits are generally always been more attributed to men, that's how it is.
No one said males in general are all like that, but that's just a part of being masculine for many. It's due to testosterone.

[Shrimpenjoyer]

I am not talking about the good aspects of masculinity.

Women not doing those sort of things is not infatilising.
It's just being decent.
A woman can be confrontational when needed without incorporating negative aspects of masculinity.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Nah, it's just a cop out to blame testosterone. People, both men and women, can act that way and it's just a part of their personality.

The reason it's attributed more to men i woukd imagine is that, one, society treats women like children and expects us to be chaste and sweet and, two, it teaches guys that rudeness and violence is somehow macho.

Blame society, not testosterone.

[Shrimpenjoyer]

The societal expectations sure have to do with it, but denying the role of testosterone is absurd.
Testosterone does that to you, it a fact.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

So testosterone does it and, yes, women have testosterone too, but at much lower doses.

So if it's testosterone being the culprit then why are you saying women are masculine for doing the same thing despite lacking the same amount of testosterone as a guy? That's why it's societal

[Shrimpenjoyer]

They still aren't nowhere as masculine as men, just not as feminine as they used to be.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

That's basically, like i said, infantilizing women to be pure, silent and chaste. We are more than that.

[Shrimpenjoyer]

As I said, women can be strong without adopting bad traits of men.

I love when a woman is strong in her own feminine way

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

The problem is you keep associating cursing, being blunt and the other things you listed as masculine traits. They aren't. They are traits of people who are authoritive, direct, and lack a bigger vocabulary to express themselves. That can be men or women

[Shrimpenjoyer]

Maybe true when it comes to being blunt but the rest of what I said definitely lean more towards men.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Agree to disagree here

[Shrimpenjoyer]

Well ok

[valentina4eva]

i don’t think women are masculine today!!🤔🤔 maybeee some men have just become more feminine so we just look more masculine by comparison!!😂😅

[Shrimpenjoyer]

I'm not talking about looks

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@valentina4eva
That's a very interesting POV on the matter 🤌🏼

[valentina4eva]

@Maybe_Maybe_not lol i don’t actually think men have become more feminine, i was just flipping the premise around on the OP!!😅😅

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

too bad you don't believe in your own ideas lol

[valentina4eva]

the original premise was silly because women have not “become so masculine” today🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️ so i don’t need to respond with something serious lol

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Oh I know I know, it's just that I found something serious in this unseriousness

[valentina4eva]

ohh oopsiee😅😅 well maybe some men are more feminine today, but i don’t think it’s a general trend that i have noticed personally!!🤔

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I mean the topic is ambiguous from the start, it's impossible to tell what femininity or masculinity is without using stereotypes

[valentina4eva]

ohh truuu!!😅😅 good point🤔
but don’t femininity & masculine have “real” kind of definitions based on a culture/society?🤔 or u would say these are just stereotypes too?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Anytime I discussed this topic we ultimately hit a wall, anytime we looked for an intrinsically feminine or masculine trait, it turned out to be a societally conditioning trait instead

[genericname85]

cause that's what happens before population collapse. women become masculine. men focus on looks maxing instead of women. and then population numbers crash. it's so bad that even globally we'll have the first ever year of natural population decline in like 30 years from now. that never happened before in human history.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Since you're defining masculinity as: "Aggressive, blunt, lack of empathy, using slurs and insults in general", then I haven't noticed women becoming more "masculine", or less "masculine" than when I was a kid.

[Shrimpenjoyer]

Bad traits of masculinity.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I'll even go further, thinking more about it, remembering my great-grandmother, I believe that women are less aggressive/blunt/insensitive now than they used to be one or more centuries ago.

[Shrimpenjoyer]

Men absolutely, yeah. But women were supposed to keep their mouth shut back then.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Mouth shut, well I don't remember that, not from great-grandma, and not for grandma either lol

[Shrimpenjoyer]

At old age is different. Also you remember them from 40 years ago, their youth was around 100 years ago.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

that's correct !

[Taurus_Woman]

The idea that “women have become more masculine nowadays” is mostly a perception shaped by changing social roles, not a simple or universal shift in who women are.

What’s actually changed is what societies allow and expect from women.

In many countries, women now have much greater access to education, careers, financial independence, and leadership roles than in previous generations. Traits like assertiveness, ambition, confidence, and independence—often labeled “masculine”—are simply more visible in women because those traits are now useful (and sometimes required) in public and professional life.

So it’s not really that “women have become masculine.” It’s that the old boundaries of what women are “supposed” to be have loosened, and you’re seeing a wider spectrum of personalities and behaviors.

[Shrimpenjoyer]

I'm not talking about the positive impacts of masculinity

[Taurus_Woman]

And I am not talking about masculinity. You call it "masculinity." But it is not really that.
I think the issue is the label. What you’re calling ‘masculinity’ is just people, women included, being more independent and confident. That isn’t masculinity, it’s just human traits. It’s just about equal rights and opportunities, not becoming more like men or women.

[Lesbologist]

Good question. Almost like there is something in the water. Way more heavy set on average too. A spectacular observation. I just don't have a clear answer though.

[Mark_Est]

Feminism, brainwashing, social media, attention addiction, std farming, weak male cucks with no standards on women, simps praising then for nothing, no need for accountability, etc etc.

Plenty of reasons why.

[Anonymous]

A lot of women wonder why men aren't as masculine anymore too

[ZameerAnsari91]

I don't think, they are masculine nowadays,
very few are, but majority is still feminine.

[Shrimpenjoyer]

I mean now they have gotten more certain traits associated with masculinity

[Spencer10]

You are meeting the wrong women.

[Shrimpenjoyer]

Some of them are no matter if I meet them or not.

[Spencer10]

People are on a spectrum... lots of feminine guys out there too. Ultimately who cares. Does not bother me.

[MaddieXH]

What do you mean by “masculine”

[Shrimpenjoyer]

Aggressive, blunt, lack of empathy, using slurs and insults I'm general.

[Shrimpenjoyer]

*in general

[MaddieXH]

I haven’t noticed they have? I’m from the uk and where I live in London and the people I’m friends with don’t talk like that. Some of them get aggressive when they’re drunk but not really masculine

[Shrimpenjoyer]

Aren't the English rather blunt

[MaddieXH]

I guess but not aggressive aha

[CherryLove007]

@shrimpenjoyer I think you are describing people (women) who do not get along well with others.

[UniquelyBasic]

Thank God. I need a sugar momma 🥴

[Shrimpenjoyer]

I didn't mean in that way lol

[Anonymous]

So you stay a virgin forever

[Shrimpenjoyer]

I already told you your mom took it from me when I was 16.

[NathanDavis]

not in my experience

[karlaatsd]

Change of generation

[oldman26]

Haven't noticed