You opinion is based on mind sets. I haven't had sex in... ever? I'm a virgin. I'm 23. And I'm okay with that. Some guys who truly dont care think this way cause of mindsets. You also contradicted yourself. At first is his we treat you then it's our looks. It or mindset to think a certain way. We dont care about our looks cause to many girls base our personality off of our looks. I dont see body for women, I see heart soul and mentality. So dont subject us to the same thing. Sure he dresses up. But he could be an asshole. Where as that some what over weight guy with a beard and sweatpants, takes care of his self and keeps himself clean and treats everyone around him with the utmost respect. Its mindsets. Perception. Look at all of us not just the ones you favor over others.
I can think of two reasons. 1. Most young women want shitbag bad boys. Decent young men need not apply. It takes a while, but decent males get the message eventually and stop trying. Some girls can be especially vicious in the way that they reject an approach. 2. It has become legally too dangerous to approach or interact with a female. In the USA, there is Title IX that encourages false allegations that can end a young man's life before it begins. Throughout the world there is #MeToo, which as the same effect. In Britain, men are being sent to prison because they approached a female on the street. https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/game-jailed-for-two-years-17126173
You can blame porn, blame the drugs or just the lack of masculinity (well what can we do? Masculinity is frowned upon and so is the lack of it) But all of that is only one side of the coin. To be honest most women aren't worth chasing and working for... plenty of shitty women (same as plenty of shitty men) with high standards that bring most men to simply give up. I've tried my luck so many times with women and relationships that I've started to lose hope even tho I was successful, knew all the rules and what not but still once the hope is lost you simply don't try. Thank god I was able to find my SO before losing it all.
I don't come to diss or to blame, doesn't matter what your gender you can still be shit or amazing. But there plenty of more reason that man are not having sex.
You make a lot of valid points but i can't help but notice the bias... you make it sound like its only men that should initiate sex... what does weakness have to do with anything? Sure drugs and other crap or porn can ruin libido... but thats not the point here... In this Take you say that many men are desperate for female attention which i totally agree with... like its getting really bad what men will do for attention... then there are guys like me that dont give two shits about if a female pays me attention or not... but im labelled as angry, bitter, heartbroken, misogynistic... etc...
Your take is good... but you should probably stick with the female side of things... because just like no man can understand what females go through... no female can understand what males go through as well. Though you make valid points... the underlying message is the same..."Men should make all the effort... and women just lay back and pick and choose"...
all these points are well taken i like them but i have been single for 28 year for the simple fact im not one to get some STD from a lady who goes for a pretty smile and clear skin.. and im not talking about the generalization of men or women i just find it really annoying now a days because in all my years being single i have not seen one good example of a relationship that lasted longer than a month unless there over 30 the rest is more like a game of hard to get which i dont do games.
and while the post might be true for most guys i go against the grain and i have actual standards and one of them is the girl must be drug free. and she has to say more than 1 syllable in a text or conversation and not talk like she is in a rap video lol
men and women both... with the rise of social media, we have seen for the first time in many generations that under 25s do less drugs, drink less, go out less and have less casual sex as social media just makes people less sociable... even online dating that is supposed to act as a way to be introduced has become nothing more than a pen pal sext fest for most users...
Everything in this take, and most of the opinions (Esp. MHO's) are, in my opinion, on point.
I would like to add that some men are having less sex due to fear of the possibility of false rape or assault accusation. Thanks to the #MeToo movement, a lot of guys worry about being falsely accused of rape or sexual misconduct.
The reason is that even if you were completely innocent, the very accusation is enough to destroy a man's life in every single way: You lose your job (and therefore your income), potentially your family, and your friends.
I'm sorry but no for many. 1ST off, I won't have sex till marriage and 2ND off, most women will and are satanists like yourself and perhaps dont even realize it!
3RDly, I NEED to be impressed. These days to say I'm not impressed with women is an extreme understatement. If you don't believe in God/Jesus, then I don't even want to talk to you, if you are a fake Christian who celebrates a Sunday Sabbath or celebrates a pagan self gratification 12/25 holiday, I want to talk to you even less.
-I'm just tired of it. Lately I've been praying for the 2nd coming of Jesus. Things in this world are getting to bad, I don't think I want to raise kids in this world with no morals.
Well on a more positive note, there's less chances of catching STI (STD)'s and it just means that the guy is more willing to groom themselves into finding that committed partner for the long term. Most of the older guys I've been have a more older view on women and how some (not all) view us as (not to degrade myself as a woman) sexual pleasures. But at the same time, I do see that these guys just like anyone else in the world are just wanting to find true love (if it does exist). And I think that's what many of us are striving for for the most part. I could be wrong on all of this, but it's just how everyone really interprets the situation.
You invited me to share a opinion but this issue is so complex I cannot properly reply without "ranting" or being long winded. Also the way you worded your post makes it seem like your putting down men, not inviting a conversation or debate on the subject. FYI the corpses of men that didn't seek help nor take antidepressants for depression isn't very sexy either. In fact they lose their capacity for sex completely.
Let me know when you want to have a real conversation. I'm interested to have one.
I agree with you on the fact that we men are having less sex nowadays. however, your reasons are totally wrong and very condescending. at least the majority.
the reason why most of us no longer show interest in sex nowadays is that we
- figured out sex isn't worth as much as porn and rap music says - feel that we don't need to live up to your's or any other demanding bimbos expectations - don't want to be hit with false rape allegations, paternity fraud, etc - want to waste our money on more meaningful things. - don't want drama in our lives.
"You show these sings of neediness, you lose her." Can you elaborate on the topic?
As for my opinion on the topic, sex is one thing and love is another. Sure sex is cool, but I'm looking for love personally. I feel like putting all of this behind sex sets up a relationship that won't last if sex is your main concern here simply because sex is not the only thing that make a relationship. I personally don't care about "getting laid", I care about finding someone I love and that I can spend the rest of my life with.
I also think that this is kind of a judgmental way of seeing things, like you are more trying to shame these men instead of teaching them so I'm not sure if it's really helpful to say these things if you phrase them like that.
Hmm, Well after reviewing the clear facts here well looks like I'm fucked, Oh no, No sex oh the inhumanity I might as well kill myself cause I'm not getting laid. Ha yeah I don't care and I bet I'm a get shit on just saying an opinion but I give no fucks Life ain't just about getting pussy and that's it, but oh no to most people on this site it is and I'm just some fag who don't get none cause I'm a dirty Mexican guy who looks like sid from Ice Age, These posts are just show how shallow and cruel humans really are.
You missed the biggest reason in this take: sex has been so devalued and demystified that guys don't really care about it that much anymore. Guys today are exposed to porn and sexual content from a very early age, and casual sex is common starting in junior high schools. Sex is available and for sale everywhere, both on dating apps and online marketplaces. The combination of masturbation and so much exposure to sexual content defuses the sexual frustration that would otherwise spur guys to go looking for it. The upshot is that guys--like girls--really only want to put in the effort for exceptional members of the other sex.
LMAO this is written by a a 5 year old. Millennials are more medicated than past generations you'll find out why soon. You fear rejection and this stops you from interacting ummmmm? Sorry? = https://images.app.goo.gl/v1nv42peoqb1dRM9A If your busy just say so. We care about how a guy treats us. = I encourage you to looks back at the link above. We care about how women treat us and when every time we ask you on a date we get treated badly ie the link above we won't ask you out it has nothing to do with fear of rejection. In fact why don't you ask us out if your not afraid? You show these sings of neediness, you lose her. Agreed not many of us reach that opportunity because of the above^. You Don’t Care About The Way You Look = Agreed some men don't but most of us do. You think I don't clean my face shave use moisturiser etc.
I'm not so much afraid of rejection as tired of getting rejected. I take a lot of time to groom myself and look my best, and then I get rejected 9 times out of 10. Cold approaching woman after woman like a desperate is not much fun and it's exhausting. Simply not worth the effort for a fling.
Yeah it just feels so beneath you, doesn't it? Like, why the hell do girls even have such disproportionate power in the dating scene in the first place, and why the hell should I contribute to perpetuating their power even further?
Fuck it. If guys set the bar so low for girls that having a relationship or just getting laid--full stop--is good enough to be worth catering to all the girl's terms and demands, why would any reasonable, self-respecting guy play against that kind of stacked deck and furthermore expect to view his partnerships as anything equal?
@DonCachondo well I don't usually think of it that way but I do agree women have all the power in the sex market. But I generally don't mind that. What I do mind is how much effort it takes for what usually ends up a one-time ordeal. And how it's exhausting and not fun. If it was more like 4 out of 5 then maybe. But 9 out of 10 is just absurd
I agree. The process isn't fun whatsoever, and it mostly results in disappointment. Men who spend all day chasing women must either be extraordinarily lucky to find it entertaining enough in their minds to justify it OR have literally nothing better to do with their lives.
I think the victim mentality is afecting way to many guys today! They ate to weak to fight their battles. So they feel like victims and fall in depresion. After that its the medication... See? A snowball that starts with weakness.
Generally said, being weak, means a male can cry unashamed, is no bad thing at all. Why do must male show only being strong? That is #feminism3.0 #bullshit ! And yeah, these type of people are most dangerous to our society, they spread false information and rightfully got convicted for such false statements. Yep, here in #Germany is a feminist (3rd generation) being convicted for making false accusations in Internet on her boss.
Remember that about twice as many women reproduce compared to men. There's a lot of research that still needs to be done to understand that statistic, but try as you might, you may just be inferior. Roughly speaking, we can estimate that 80% of women reproduce with 40% of men. The information comes from the 2007-2010 census and ancestry reports.
Wowgirl30q Just your thoughts, and trying to offend and make guys hate you? I understand irrational posts, like this, and just saying, something that implies that ALL men are like this, but try a little harder and be more offensive, OK? I know you can do better! Be MORE offensive, OK? LOL, your post seemed like an angry tirade from some lady that got burned by a few bad guys. Sorry you are so bitter!
I notice this is written by a woman and does not bring up the culture of otaku, and also NEETS who are not seeking and do not particulary want women in their lives, but prefer the virtual experience.
Having said that, I think the only one I'm guilty of on the list is desperation when the puppy love starts.
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You opinion is based on mind sets. I haven't had sex in... ever? I'm a virgin. I'm 23. And I'm okay with that. Some guys who truly dont care think this way cause of mindsets. You also contradicted yourself. At first is his we treat you then it's our looks. It or mindset to think a certain way. We dont care about our looks cause to many girls base our personality off of our looks. I dont see body for women, I see heart soul and mentality. So dont subject us to the same thing. Sure he dresses up. But he could be an asshole. Where as that some what over weight guy with a beard and sweatpants, takes care of his self and keeps himself clean and treats everyone around him with the utmost respect. Its mindsets. Perception. Look at all of us not just the ones you favor over others.
I can think of two reasons.
1. Most young women want shitbag bad boys. Decent young men need not apply. It takes a while, but decent males get the message eventually and stop trying. Some girls can be especially vicious in the way that they reject an approach.
2. It has become legally too dangerous to approach or interact with a female. In the USA, there is Title IX that encourages false allegations that can end a young man's life before it begins. Throughout the world there is #MeToo, which as the same effect. In Britain, men are being sent to prison because they approached a female on the street.
https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/game-jailed-for-two-years-17126173
Ouch
You can blame porn, blame the drugs or just the lack of masculinity (well what can we do? Masculinity is frowned upon and so is the lack of it)
But all of that is only one side of the coin.
To be honest most women aren't worth chasing and working for... plenty of shitty women (same as plenty of shitty men) with high standards that bring most men to simply give up. I've tried my luck so many times with women and relationships that I've started to lose hope even tho I was successful, knew all the rules and what not but still once the hope is lost you simply don't try. Thank god I was able to find my SO before losing it all.
I don't come to diss or to blame, doesn't matter what your gender you can still be shit or amazing.
But there plenty of more reason that man are not having sex.
You make a lot of valid points but i can't help but notice the bias... you make it sound like its only men that should initiate sex... what does weakness have to do with anything? Sure drugs and other crap or porn can ruin libido... but thats not the point here...
In this Take you say that many men are desperate for female attention which i totally agree with... like its getting really bad what men will do for attention... then there are guys like me that dont give two shits about if a female pays me attention or not... but im labelled as angry, bitter, heartbroken, misogynistic... etc...
Your take is good... but you should probably stick with the female side of things... because just like no man can understand what females go through... no female can understand what males go through as well. Though you make valid points... the underlying message is the same..."Men should make all the effort... and women just lay back and pick and choose"...
all these points are well taken i like them but i have been single for 28 year for the simple fact im not one to get some STD from a lady who goes for a pretty smile and clear skin..
and im not talking about the generalization of men or women i just find it really annoying now a days because in all my years being single i have not seen one good example of a relationship that lasted longer than a month unless there over 30 the rest is more like a game of hard to get which i dont do games.
and while the post might be true for most guys i go against the grain
and i have actual standards and one of them is the girl must be drug free.
and she has to say more than 1 syllable in a text or conversation and not talk like she is in a rap video lol
men and women both... with the rise of social media, we have seen for the first time in many generations that under 25s do less drugs, drink less, go out less and have less casual sex as social media just makes people less sociable... even online dating that is supposed to act as a way to be introduced has become nothing more than a pen pal sext fest for most users...
Everything in this take, and most of the opinions (Esp. MHO's) are, in my opinion, on point.
I would like to add that some men are having less sex due to fear of the possibility of false rape or assault accusation. Thanks to the #MeToo movement, a lot of guys worry about being falsely accused of rape or sexual misconduct.
The reason is that even if you were completely innocent, the very accusation is enough to destroy a man's life in every single way: You lose your job (and therefore your income), potentially your family, and your friends.
I'm sorry but no for many.
1ST off, I won't have sex till marriage and
2ND off, most women will and are satanists like yourself and perhaps dont even realize it!
3RDly, I NEED to be impressed. These days to say I'm not impressed with women is an extreme understatement. If you don't believe in God/Jesus, then I don't even want to talk to you, if you are a fake Christian who celebrates a Sunday Sabbath or celebrates a pagan self gratification 12/25 holiday, I want to talk to you even less.
-I'm just tired of it. Lately I've been praying for the 2nd coming of Jesus. Things in this world are getting to bad, I don't think I want to raise kids in this world with no morals.
Well on a more positive note, there's less chances of catching STI (STD)'s and it just means that the guy is more willing to groom themselves into finding that committed partner for the long term. Most of the older guys I've been have a more older view on women and how some (not all) view us as (not to degrade myself as a woman) sexual pleasures. But at the same time, I do see that these guys just like anyone else in the world are just wanting to find true love (if it does exist). And I think that's what many of us are striving for for the most part. I could be wrong on all of this, but it's just how everyone really interprets the situation.
nice point, thank you
You invited me to share a opinion but this issue is so complex I cannot properly reply without "ranting" or being long winded. Also the way you worded your post makes it seem like your putting down men, not inviting a conversation or debate on the subject. FYI the corpses of men that didn't seek help nor take antidepressants for depression isn't very sexy either. In fact they lose their capacity for sex completely.
Let me know when you want to have a real conversation. I'm interested to have one.
I agree with you on the fact that we men are having less sex nowadays. however, your reasons are totally wrong and very condescending. at least the majority.
the reason why most of us no longer show interest in sex nowadays is that we
- figured out sex isn't worth as much as porn and rap music says
- feel that we don't need to live up to your's or any other demanding bimbos expectations
- don't want to be hit with false rape allegations, paternity fraud, etc
- want to waste our money on more meaningful things.
- don't want drama in our lives.
"You show these sings of neediness, you lose her." Can you elaborate on the topic?
As for my opinion on the topic, sex is one thing and love is another. Sure sex is cool, but I'm looking for love personally. I feel like putting all of this behind sex sets up a relationship that won't last if sex is your main concern here simply because sex is not the only thing that make a relationship. I personally don't care about "getting laid", I care about finding someone I love and that I can spend the rest of my life with.
I also think that this is kind of a judgmental way of seeing things, like you are more trying to shame these men instead of teaching them so I'm not sure if it's really helpful to say these things if you phrase them like that.
Hmm, Well after reviewing the clear facts here well looks like I'm fucked, Oh no, No sex oh the inhumanity I might as well kill myself cause I'm not getting laid. Ha yeah I don't care and I bet I'm a get shit on just saying an opinion but I give no fucks Life ain't just about getting pussy and that's it, but oh no to most people on this site it is and I'm just some fag who don't get none cause I'm a dirty Mexican guy who looks like sid from Ice Age, These posts are just show how shallow and cruel humans really are.
You missed the biggest reason in this take: sex has been so devalued and demystified that guys don't really care about it that much anymore. Guys today are exposed to porn and sexual content from a very early age, and casual sex is common starting in junior high schools. Sex is available and for sale everywhere, both on dating apps and online marketplaces. The combination of masturbation and so much exposure to sexual content defuses the sexual frustration that would otherwise spur guys to go looking for it. The upshot is that guys--like girls--really only want to put in the effort for exceptional members of the other sex.
What about guys that still never had sex or a relationship before?
LMAO this is written by a a 5 year old.
Millennials are more medicated than past generations you'll find out why soon.
You fear rejection and this stops you from interacting ummmmm? Sorry? = https://images.app.goo.gl/v1nv42peoqb1dRM9A
If your busy just say so.
We care about how a guy treats us. = I encourage you to looks back at the link above. We care about how women treat us and when every time we ask you on a date we get treated badly ie the link above we won't ask you out it has nothing to do with fear of rejection. In fact why don't you ask us out if your not afraid?
You show these sings of neediness, you lose her. Agreed not many of us reach that opportunity because of the above^.
You Don’t Care About The Way You Look = Agreed some men don't but most of us do. You think I don't clean my face shave use moisturiser etc.
I'm not so much afraid of rejection as tired of getting rejected. I take a lot of time to groom myself and look my best, and then I get rejected 9 times out of 10. Cold approaching woman after woman like a desperate is not much fun and it's exhausting. Simply not worth the effort for a fling.
Yeah it just feels so beneath you, doesn't it? Like, why the hell do girls even have such disproportionate power in the dating scene in the first place, and why the hell should I contribute to perpetuating their power even further?
Fuck it. If guys set the bar so low for girls that having a relationship or just getting laid--full stop--is good enough to be worth catering to all the girl's terms and demands, why would any reasonable, self-respecting guy play against that kind of stacked deck and furthermore expect to view his partnerships as anything equal?
@DonCachondo well I don't usually think of it that way but I do agree women have all the power in the sex market. But I generally don't mind that. What I do mind is how much effort it takes for what usually ends up a one-time ordeal. And how it's exhausting and not fun. If it was more like 4 out of 5 then maybe. But 9 out of 10 is just absurd
I agree. The process isn't fun whatsoever, and it mostly results in disappointment. Men who spend all day chasing women must either be extraordinarily lucky to find it entertaining enough in their minds to justify it OR have literally nothing better to do with their lives.
I think the victim mentality is afecting way to many guys today! They ate to weak to fight their battles. So they feel like victims and fall in depresion. After that its the medication... See? A snowball that starts with weakness.
Thank you
Generally said, being weak, means a male can cry unashamed, is no bad thing at all. Why do must male show only being strong? That is #feminism3.0 #bullshit ! And yeah, these type of people are most dangerous to our society, they spread false information and rightfully got convicted for such false statements. Yep, here in #Germany is a feminist (3rd generation) being convicted for making false accusations in Internet on her boss.
@ThisIsMyOpinion I'm glad you liked it
Of course I did. I share your views on this.
What's me too?
Was that a question to me?
Remember that about twice as many women reproduce compared to men. There's a lot of research that still needs to be done to understand that statistic, but try as you might, you may just be inferior. Roughly speaking, we can estimate that 80% of women reproduce with 40% of men. The information comes from the 2007-2010 census and ancestry reports.
Natural selection is a bitch
That's because less than 40% of men are worthy of reproducing.
Wowgirl30q Just your thoughts, and trying to offend and make guys hate you? I understand irrational posts, like this, and just saying, something that implies that ALL men are like this, but try a little harder and be more offensive, OK?
I know you can do better! Be MORE offensive, OK? LOL, your post seemed like an angry tirade from some lady that got burned by a few bad guys. Sorry you are so bitter!
I notice this is written by a woman and does not bring up the culture of otaku, and also NEETS who are not seeking and do not particulary want women in their lives, but prefer the virtual experience.
Having said that, I think the only one I'm guilty of on the list is desperation when the puppy love starts.