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incelhood is the way. less stress and anxiety.
incelhood has allowed me to not care and see things as they really are.
i work, come home and sleep... this is the life i wanted. simple and simple. i got what i wanted.
True, you are choosing this lifestyle, but incel would mean involuntary, so not sure.
i can't get laid or get a date to a coffee shop.
Okay...
What would your solution be to this?
My thought process is not to hate the incel or to tell them they aren't trying hard enough somehow.
I don't think attacking them is helpful and I don't think it acknowledges the potential forces outside of their control that influence everyone's outcomes.
Maybe some believe that attacking incels would be helpful to them, but it doesn't strike me as a good way to help them.
No sure what can be done, if someone is stuck at the bottom of a hierarchy then sometimes there are measures put in place to try to enable upward movement. It might be better than having the same people spend an indefinite time at the bottom, but others would still end up spending time there.
In some cultures I heard they end up sharing the mating opportunities. I don't fancy that one as much, but I can kind of see it in the context of like a hunter gatherer society. Where the village would raise the children together, and the males would go off hunting for awhile and no one would especially know whose was whose.
I'm not sure, the old fashioned culture that encouraged waiting until after marriage to have sex, and had different cultural values about staying with one person for your life, could in theory get opportunities more evenly distributed.
I don't have a solution, I don't know what could work, but was trying to point out some things and see if they made sense. Since people are a finite resource and it's inherent to an open competition for people to win as much as they desire, at the expense of people at the bottom who could end up with nothing.
No one has to have sex with someone unless they want to.
Also, I don't think I've ever known an incel in my real life work or social circles. Not being mean, just not something I have much experience with.
something
I don't think I was advocating for people to have sex with others if they didn't want to, where did you think I said that?
You could be correct about not interacting with an incel, but society also discourages incels from coming forward so it would make sense to not see them identify as one in public.
Sorry. That's my knee jerk response when I see the word incel because a lot of self-identified incels advocate that.
You're right. You didn't say that. I'm really sorry.
I'm not offended, I thought that could have been going on.
I know it is for many people, and many people attack incels out of hand like other commenters here. I understand it's a kind of time where people can have emotional responses taking over instead of the logical side.
Yeah. I'm very emotional, but I try not to attack people without a really good reason.
Stfu
Dude stop playing video games get a haircut and new clothes and get out there. So many guys out there getting pussy that look like a ballsack. You just have no confidence
Unless you'd get turned down by a crack whore you are not involuntarily celibate, your standards are just higher than warranted.
Ok this is referring to getting sex by paying, or is it to do with relationships as well?
Paying for sex does not prove that you're no longer an incel. It kinda reaffirms it.
I kinda get what you're saying brah, but let's make sure we can at least get everybody healthcare before we worry about getting everybody laid. Priorities, priorities... We got bigger fish to fry!
Aren't we all incels by definition? I mean most people don't choose to be single
No there are many people ,. may be even i am. one of them. so I am in this platform..
There is too much thinking going on and I'm the queen of over thinking it.
No doubt about it, the late Elliot Rodger is the mascot for the Incel community.
What is the solution to this?
It depends on cultural views on inequality, since it would be inherent to any competitive or hierarchical structure for losers to exist.
Some people are mostly fine with higher inequality, and it's a tricky issue because you don't want to force everyone to succeed equally.
I don't have the solution, but I don't like the incels getting attacked since I don't think it acknowledges the system at work.
Maybe a cultural value of pairing with one person would give closer to one to one opportunities. I don't advocate forcing anything in particular though.
Beautiful people get attacked too. 🤧
Ok, anything you want to expand about that? Not sure what it's talking about in particular, but I can't say it's not a possible occurance.
I think everyone gets attacked and bullied in today's society. 😐🤧
Ok, so it's something about incels that makes them have extreme reactions or it's more or less normal for what they endure?
And I don't think I understood the reason for the emoji with the white thing
No everyone gets hurt in my opinion
Ok, so any context to add about that? I think it's clear not everyone gets hurt by things?
Uh like imagine a acid attack on a woman by another woman for looking too pretty
Ya, we have acid attacks here in London, but other places too I assume. I saw one victim on the telly, just like ruins your life. I'm kind of paranoid about it, probably would have to run to a store and start dumping all their water on me if it happened. Don't know what to do.
I live in the UK 😐😑 e. e I'm so scared to go outside 😭
Ooh, because of the acid? Or like the bad weather recently? Or other stuff?
Naw it's other stuff I live in South of the area you mentioned. It's really rough. I get attacked all the time. It's scary.
Not s smart way to prevent deases
I am an incel by choice
Ok cool, I think incel technically is involuntary. But what brought about your identifying as an incel?
women can't be incel?
@stormbreaker06 I kinda of can go both ways
Your troll game is noteworthy. I'm both impressed and entertained.
@NineBreaker but I’m a Virgin and no-one want to duck me ya know
But at the same time I could t care less
No one is attracted to you apple24? Or it is troll that I didn't get.
@newblinds I assumed @apple24 is a troll, knowing full well that is not necessarily the case. She claims that she is, and that's possible, but I still have my doubts since "... at the same time [she] could care less".
A lot of guys (especially incels) often believe that it is impossible for a woman to be an incel. I disagree, but I do think it's significantly difficult for that to happen in their case.
@NineBreaker yeah that’s the cringy misogynistic part of it. Men think women can have it anytime they want. And they’re so wrong about that..
An uncle by choice is an oxymoron. Involuntary implies lack of choice. It's like saying that you chose one out of one options - that wouldn't be a choice.
@bente2 Unfortunately, a lot of times it is. Not always the case. I don't see that in this take.
@ThisDudeHere That is true, since "incel" is a retraction or abbreviation for "involuntary celibate". According to the much-knowing Google, search results are positive for "volcel" or "voluntary celibate". So I guess @apple24 is actually a volcel, eh? I don't know.
@bente2 Fair point here. I recently found the PinkPill page on reddit. It blew my mind.
@Robertcw I mean if I decide to walk around dress like a whore and had no standards for myself then yeah I could see that being not an incel. But I feel like I am a walking breathing example of it. I am not that pretty and I gain hella weight on top of that I don’t go out and I go to school and work. So yeah I consider myself that but I rather not label myself
And the point of this rant is - - - -?
Did this appear to be a rant in your opinion?
I don't think it reads like a rant to me.
Some of the ideas I put forward were how incels came to be and, I don't believe it's helpful to hate them, and the issue of relationship inequality.
Maybe some understanding for incels... not sure.
You didn't see any point to what I put?
Good take
Well it's a difficult issue to put forward with lots of emotions getting in the mix
Anything you would add on the topic?
🤔 not sure... 💡... 🤗
Do you think it's fine to have this level of relationship inequality?
Some are unable to find anyone for indefinite periods of time, sometimes many years.
Should it stay the same or something else?
I really am not sure lad 🤷♀️
I am all that I am. I’m so terribly sorry 😐
relationship inequality... omfg that pairing of words under that context assumes that everyone should be entitled to equal rights in getting a relationship. Okay, here is a solution. Start an incel meetup group. Make certain there are equal number of men and women. Then watch what happens. There will still be someone at the party who does not get paired. Why? Because people look for the most attractive (many many definitions for this that are not just physical) person with whom they can pair. And a small number will be singled out as the most attractive. Then the majority will either flock to them, or they will not move at all. This is a biological and social function that can only be sorted by enforcement. Pair off everyone and make them fuck. That is the only solution that will remove the possibility of someone not getting paired off. This is basically socializing sex. Or socially induced rape. Why? Because someone is not going to like their choice to pick being removed in order to satisfy someone's drive to fuck.