Are men told to make lots of money so that they can be used by gold diggers?

[Anonymous]

yes

no

sometimes

what are you talking about? men are not being told to make lots of money

other

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[Apulu_3]

Men who can make a huge amount of money are wise enough to avoid gold diggers. Life isn't like a movie where your gold digger girlfriend will give you a list of Gucci and Prada stuffs to bring for her and you will act like a dumb puppy following her thinking that she loves you genuinely and isn't behind your money. People can't be so dumb of course. Men who can make a lot of money are smart to stand in that level of course and they know a lot about hardships of society because they faced it all (I'm talking about successful people not any corrupt businessman or one who earned money from home by gaming or investing and all. Those who earned that success due to their hard work are the people I'm talking about). They are experienced enough to know who aren't trustable and who are loyal.

[VanillaSalt]

Counter point… how many Hollywood stars have been used for money? Leonardo DiCaprio replaces his girlfriend with a new one as soon as they hit 25… and if men are poor women don’t really look at them and they tend to not have a way to be seen. Besides this let’s be frank. If a man was determined not to spend a dime on you insisting you buy your own food pay half the rent and bills and never bought you anything ever would you date him? If you wouldn’t date a man that refuses to spend any money on you you yourself are a gold digger. Using a man for money…

[Apulu_3]

@VanillaSalt First of all I don't have any financial problems at all. I belong to a well paid family and in 5 years I will inherit my parent's work and have a well paid work. Second I prefer staying independant in financial life and I don't like asking for help in it at all. If my partner insists on paying for the date always then I will explain him I just wanted him in date and not his money. I will just simply say him I like spending my own money and I will like to stay independent in this part of my life. I just simply don't like taking help in financial matters. I will actually like it if he says me to pay my part because I don't have to explain it. It's better he is logical.

[VanillaSalt]

There’s a difference between expecting you to pay your part and refusing to pay for you at all.

[Apulu_3]

@VanillaSalt I don't mind if I'm expected to pay for the dinner. If guys are expected then why shouldn't I be expected? simple

[VanillaSalt]

You misunderstood me. If a man expects you to pay half of everything you seem fine with that or splitting it in a fair way like you mentioned alternating paying… but you would not be okay with say Christmas time you have to pay for your OWN gifts or he never bought you anything or he insists every time you go out you pay for your meal and he refuses to buy you anything…

Women just don’t like stingy men.

[Apulu_3]

@VanillaSalt Well gifting for gifting I will also give gifts right. Gifts are just given. Like you buy to give it to someone. If the gift is expensive then I will hesitate. I will buy him gifts anyways. It will stay equal from both the sides then.

[VanillaSalt]

Are you a prostitute? I don’t mean disrespect I’m genuinely asking.

[Apulu_3]

@VanillaSalt No I'm not

[VanillaSalt]

So. Is it acceptable to expect sex from a partner your going to marry. Who’s to say how many times or when but is it just acceptable to expect it will happen?

[Apulu_3]

@VanillaSalt Excuse me but I'm asexual

[VanillaSalt]

Honestly I don't know or care what that is. I’m just asking in a relationship between two consenting adults is it acceptable to expect sex at some point in the marriage?

[Apulu_3]

@VanillaSalt Yeah

[VanillaSalt]

Ok. So sex is being traded as an expectation for the relationship. Sure we expect many things and it’s not a 1:1 trade like a prostitute offering a good time for $350/hr… but sex is being turned into some value for the sake of the relationship.

I apologize for asking what I did because it was at this point I realized your age.

But moving past that. I wanted you to reconsider what it means to value something. A prostitute don’t have to mean a woman on the streets selling sex for cash. It could easily be the same as a wife giving sex to maintain a happy marriage. The same for gold diggers. They don’t have to just get money and gifts and they don’t only hang out with men.

I argue every woman’s a prostitute and a gold digger because they all give sex and kindness in return for some form of security financial, emotional, or another service.

[Apulu_3]

@VanillaSalt Why does it have to be women at low point and men to be always dominant? No matter what a woman do it will be just seen as she is prostitute or gold digger. No one asked men to do anything for women. They are just doing it because they love her and she is also doing it because she loves him. They aren't really trading money, security, pleasure and all they are just doing it because they love each other. Here I'm not talking about and real gold digger sticking or any sl*t but a true love where they love each other nothing more. (P. S I'm sorry for cursing.)

[VanillaSalt]

I recognize the potential for both partners to bring something amazing to marriage and each other. But what are the odds?

I romanticize marriage and love more then most. But their impossible standards to reach for most people today. Hell I myself have never felt love or loved and I’ve been in 3 relationships. I don’t believe it exists… and marriage lmao. For better or worse for richer or for poorer in sickness and in health until death do us part… marriage vows. 53% of marriage ends in divorce and on a low end 70% of that’s filed by women 90% on a high end…

So I don’t believe in love and marriage is a fairy tale. So unfortunately your statement of doing something for someone cause you love them… I can’t understand that.

I understand 2 people come together for a purpose. To not be alone, to split hardships, yo have a family… either way a partner brings some value to your life and in return for that value you offer something of value back to them…

by the way I don’t see gold digger or prostitute as a bad thing it’s normal to me but the words themselves have a bad meaning. All relationships between 2 people is based off what both sides bring to make the relationship worth pursuing including friendships. For a woman her looks, body, support, and ability to make children are the value men seek. For women men’s money, power (can be anything from social standing to protection), family, support are what I assume women want. You offer these things in return for those things.

[Apulu_3]

@VanillaSalt I don't believe that. Yeah in today's world finding true love is difficult. People don't recognize what is love and they don't meet the right person in their whole life because they don't search for love but for trade. But it is definitely not impossible. For me I will just stick to my opinion and belief because love does exist. I have seen it and felt it too.

[VanillaSalt]

If your still on here in 10 years hit me up. I wanna see if and how your opinions changed.

[Apulu_3]

@VanillaSalt Love doesn't necessarily means relationship love. I feel the love by parents, by siblings, by nature, by friends and all. Yeah I am sure my opinion won't change in future too.

[VanillaSalt]

You’ll change. Your too young and naive not to in some way. Even if you understanding grows and your basic idea of love never changes the specifics will.

[Apulu_3]

@VanillaSalt Whatever you believe

[VanillaSalt]

That love and marriage are fairy tales are what I believe. That you’ll grow and understand and from that you’ll change is for certain.

When I was 13 do you think I thought even remotely the way I do now? Hell within the last few years I’ve grown and come to understand many things that have reshaped what I thought of the world and humanity. 10 years is forever.

[Apulu_3]

@VanillaSalt Okay

[WonderBell99]

@VanillaSalt love and marriage are definitely NOT fairy tales. There are couples who make their relationship worm by investing their time and putting in hard work. Anyone can get into a relationship, but making it survive is the important part - and you definitely can if you do some self introspection. My parents have a TERRIBLE marriage. Why? Because of lack of communication. BOTH of them get confrontational with each other when they want to ask about something. They don’t talk, they fight - and that’s not a healthy marriage at all. I’ve seen both healthy marriages and shitty marriages. You know what the shitty marriages have in common? Both are in the wrong, at least, in most cases. People change and grow, but you can be different and still be in love as long as you have common goals

[Apulu_3]

@WonderBell99 Yeah quite true.

[VanillaSalt]

@wonderbell99 but it’s not men filling the divorce. Low estimates put divorces filed at 70:30 women higher estimates are 90:10. Women don’t lose the kids and women generally don’t pay alimony or child support. Men don’t generally expect women to come prebuilt with significant income where as women do.

Also my parents and grandparents had… less then ideal marriages. My parents split and it ticked me up but my grandparents stayed together until he died… my grandmother remarried. Weekends with them is the only saving Grace I had in my childhood… marriage is for children and family. It’s not meant to be annulled because you lost the butterflies. And you sure as hell shouldn’t be able to cheat then get a divorce and take anything from the marriage other then your own ass.

[WonderBell99]

@VanillaSalt im sorry you had a bad childhood. I didn’t have the best childhood either. I spent a lottt of time at my grandparents place. My parents fought a lot.. they still do, but it’s not as much. On the other hand, my grandparents have a wonderful marriage and that’s what still makes me believe in love. Even my uncle and aunt do. Your life is different from that of your parents. You can’t just sit there and keep complaining about your life without doing anything just because your parents’ marriage was terrible. What are YOU doing so that you do not end up like them?

[VanillaSalt]

@wonderbell99 if you knew my parents you’d say I’m doing amazing… dads a no show stepfather’s decent but not the kinda man I wanna be… mother… she died early last year. Turns out decades of drug use, alcoholism, and prostitution bad for your health… go figure. Got tired of helping her all the time and kicked her out of my home at 23. That’s when I started to grow up. Knew what not to do but not what to do… I’m in every sense a self made man. First relationship she cheated. I didn’t deserve that no matter how little of a man I was then. Second always threw around insults rather then helping and again cheated… abusing physically and mentally but I was dumb and believed real men don’t hit women… thank God for equality! Third girlfriend cheated as well… I’m 3/3 damn I’m good. Then my only hookup I found out was cheating on her bf…

Throughout all this I remained hopeful… after 2 years in dating apps with no luck and no idea what I was doing wrong I turned to YouTube which found red pill which opened my eyes to a lot.

I don’t like red pill. It seems too… hopeless. But I recognize many of the things it teaches as things I’ve seen and I’ve picked many points of view of many subjects and many stats to realize. Relationships suck for men. The stats prove it will more often then not fail and if it fails the men will pay. I didn’t go through hell for the last decade being homeless and jobless growing into what I am now to have it taken by some stupid desire to be desired.

I have my brother and his family. My niece is amazing and if I never have kids I have her. I have my own life I have my own hobbies. Women arnt worth risking everything I've worked for. I can’t trust anyone when they say they won’t because they can.

[WonderBell99]

@VanillaSalt I wish you only the very best in life. Good luck, you’ve been through a lot. Just keep your mind open to love, will you?

[VanillaSalt]

@wonderbell99 give me a reason to. Children are the only real proof of love I’ve seen… adults suck

[WonderBell99]

@VanillaSalt I genuinely don’t know how to make you believe in love. I don’t blame you, really. You were hopeful despite having a tough childhood and I applaud you for that. I can only ask you to not let go of someone you like.. or maybe even love in the future. That girl might be your reason. The reason you start believing in love again.

[Justneedtokno]

You need to make your own money so you can be financially stable has nothing to do with another being. Hopefully the person that comes into the relationship has their own

[Justneedtokno]

Thank you 😊

[Asker]

You are welcome, love!

[TheorionMage]

Let's lay aside ALL the romantic 'pollyanna' BULLSHIT.

Can two poor folks 'make it' on JUST romance... OF COURSE. But its going to be a slog!

Nature evolved the female appearance & anatomy to appeal to the male's desire for copulation
to be a 'worthy' suitor to PROVIDE for his comely 'momma' and THEIR offspring
she's going to assess HIS potential to DEFEND and PROVIDE for her!
Baseline 'facts-o-Life' ... ALL ELSE is circumstantial 'salesmanship'.

Ever see the advertisements for exotic Eastern European mail-order brides?

[VanillaSalt]

No but if ya wanna forward them to me… for a friend ;)

[yofuknutz]

@VanillaSalt for that special friend with a special recipe

[Anonymous]

100%. I know for a fact my mom encouraged all of us to make lots of money, with her reasoning being it will attract girls

[Asker]

That is disgusting!

[HighValue]

Men need to make enough money to completely support themselves, their SO, and their kids in order for many women to be interested for more than temporary/short term.

Even the women that work often won't stay with a man that doesn't make enough to support her and the kids on his own and they lose respect for him.

Most women think of them having a job as an option, but the man having a decent job as a requirement.

Men just shouldn't get legally married so the women can't steal his earnings. So what if you have $20,000 in the bank, she can still pay for her own meals and work herself.

[Star_88]

Don't need to spend on your girlfriend but your wife deserves it because what YOU are demanding from her is beyond the money : Kids, her body sacrifice, permanent side effects, absolute pain, depression, raise them, make your house the home and her individuality.

[Asker]

I don't want kids.
How will she get depression out of marriage?

[Star_88]

@VanillaSalt I'm talking about those women who get forced by men to leave their jobs and instead get manipulated to produce kids, cook clean.

[VanillaSalt]

Forced how? At gun point? If a man wants a woman in the house and says he’ll leave if she don’t then she’s got a choice to make. I fail to see the issue. Gone are the days when women are men’s property and beating them is acceptable.

I expect my woman to take care of my home and me and my children. If she wants to work I’m okay with that as long as the home and family come first. Unless she makes more money then me… I would happily become the homemaker and reverse them roles. I say this because there’s times sometimes for months straight I’m working 80+ hr work weeks 7 days a week. If I come home and I still have to cook and clean we’re not going to have a happy home life.

If a woman can’t accept that there’s millions of other men out there besides me. She’s not what I’m looking for anyway.

[Guy13]

We ought to know that instinctively.

And if you can’t get your financial 💩 together THEN you will have to keep watching “porn” on your little computer in your 300 sqft beat-off living quarters crying about the Capitalists…..
INSTEAD of making your own, “porn.”

[Asker]

Very funny 😂
Well said!
I prefer to choose making my own "porn".

[VanillaSalt]

Making your own porn sounds about right. Record it every time or she’ll catch ya with rape charges lmao

But I’m all seriousness… why? Sex is boring for me at this point. Eventually you just get tired of the same crap and just say fuck it.

[ChrisMaster69]

No men are Told to do anything

Men decide what they want to do, then formulate and plan and do it.

I make money for me and for a legacy.

My previous girlfriend makes more cash than me.

As a man I decide what I want to do, I let others be told.

[Evan64]

In some cases, yeah I think so. That and so they can afford child support and kids because let's face it that shit is incredibly expensive nowadays. (And also a large part of why I am not having children and am planning a vasectomy to be completely honest)

[Asker]

I bloody want a vasectomy too!

[Evan64]

It genuniely annoys me how expensive they are and how tricky it can be to get one. I'm currently seeing what I can do through my partner's work since she works in urology and the doctor she works under performs those. I'm expecting it to be 700 dollars give or take. Much like the income tax, it's almost like being punished just for making a contribution to society. (Working and, in this case, not bringing another poor soul onto this godforsaken planet)

[Asker]

Same here man. Same here.
The conditions these days do not qualify for both minors and adults.
Therefore getting sterilized solves 100s problems all at once for a cheap price of getting sterilized.

Obviously the government or society does not welcome more newborns, so...
But I don't like finger pointing at others. It's bad practice in general. But then we also have those rich kids like l i l pump or Tekashi 6ix9ine, who can party every weekend with gold diggers, who got more plastic surgery operations than they did in their math exams.

[Crazycookie23]

It would suck if so. No man deserves to be used just like no woman would deserve to be used. However, you have people that don't mind that kind of thing.

[Asker]

Tell me all about it hunny :/

[fonduegirl]

They're encouraged to make lots of money to rise in power, be a good provider and attract women. Now most of the women they have are gold diggers is just poor decision making skills on his end lmao.

[Asker]

You're absolutely right!

[Hangry06]

In a way, yes. This is just like how woman are asked to focus on looks and beauty. It increases our value to potential suitors

[grierwrange]

I think men who can make an exorbitant amount are usually not stupid. Only the ones who aren’t rich are worrying about gold diggers typically and assume that’s what rich men have to deal with to console themselves

[Adam1978]

No it's to support a family, you should therefore secure your wealth and not waste it on gold diggers.

[Gwenhwyfar]

B and D are both true. Any man who makes that kind of money is probably smart enough to avoid gold diggers.

[EnglishEuropean]

I've seen no evidence of that.

[Gwenhwyfar]

@EnglishEuropean I would hope a self-made billionaire hedge fund manager would have enough common sense to tell when a girl is after his money.

[EnglishEuropean]

Maybe they know and they don't care?

[Gwenhwyfar]

@EnglishEuropean why wouldn’t they care? Don’t men want to be desired for themselves?

[EnglishEuropean]

Of course that's the ideal. But primarily men just want to be desired.

[Gwenhwyfar]

@EnglishEuropean really? Huh. To me that’s like a girl knowing a guy married her just for her ass.

[wankiam]

possibly but its the male dominated patriachy that teaches our kids this nonesense

[FictionalCharacter]

Gold diggers are worth more than men who try to make money.

[Asker]

what?

[FictionalCharacter]

Chicken butt

[Asker]

I do this to gold diggers

[FictionalCharacter]

You wish and that’s you got in your mentality

[Anonymous]

I never thought of it like that up until now there could be some truth to it make you wonder I'll tell you that

[RedStiletto88]

I don’t think so but I can imagine that being something the incel community might make up

[Subarugirl]

No, men are taught to be productive members of society and to be able to provide for a family.

[yofuknutz]

Apparently the woman have to be productive as well to nowadays some cases even the kids have to be working when they reach working age depending on the state

[EnglishEuropean]

No, the fact is that men try to make lots of money because they want to attract gold diggers. How many times have you heard beta males bitching that they can't get laid because they're poor?

[Redstang88]

want to make lots of money to travel, enjoy my hobbies and retire early

[Fuentes]

Making money should be mandatory but being used is your fault and your choice

[Asker]

You're not wrong.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Wheather they are told or not if you let someone who doesn't love you milk you for your resources then you're a fool.

[Vegasrunner]

No it's so they can add value to themselves which creates options

[msc545]

Men are told to make lots of money so they will *attract* golddiggers.

[bamesjond0069]

No. Making more money as a man is in your best interest. Its genuine good GENERAL advice.

[DaveJord]

No I wasn't raised that way... it just happened.

[Aphrodite801]

That’s what you love telling each other.

[HeartFullOfGlue]

No, its so you dont end up poor

[Anonymous]

No, nobody is saying. Men take this as their duty.

[Anonymous]

Not necessarily.

[jimmy2]

But i would