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I feel like this about the matter;
This whole "good guy" mess has all became one big joke. You now have guys that are no where near anything that contains the word "good" using this shit.
I've asked several different men this question; "what makes a man a good guy? And how do we as women tell the good men apart from the men that only pretend to good for a while just to get what they want?" and I kid you not, not a single man is able to answer this question. Yet instead, they'd rather bash women and say stupid shit to us like "oh, you all need to pick better men, the good men are in your inboxes being ignored, the good men are in your friend zone". They don't address one another, but they go around forever blaming and bashing women, these are the ones calling themselves THE "GOOD MEN keep" in mind!
As a woman who's been tricked several times by a man, I can testify on this one.
They will love bomb you, make every promise in the world to you, spend money on you, be the biggest gentlemen for a few months and turn out to be the biggest narcissists and misogynists ever! And we're blamed for that too! The reality is that we can not win with them regardless as to what we do. At this point, we don't know what we're choosing from. They refuse to take accountability, and when we as women voice these things, OH THEY GET INFURIATED! They become bullies, internet gangsters, they call you every name in the book, and they get mad the moment you try to have this conversation with them, and again THESE ARE THE ONES CALLING THEMSELVES THE GOOD MEN THOUGH!
I had a couple male friends that spent years being my friend and making it seem as if there was nothing more than that. Gave me relationship advice, was supportive during my heartbreaks, did the same for them when they had their girlfriends, etc. just for each of them to eventually out of no where completely flip on me for turning them down as if I was OBLIGATED to say yes! One got so mad after being persistent trying to persuade me to be with him and asked me over and over again despite me saying no, a few days after not wanting to talk to him, he tries to ask again. When I voiced how uncomfortable that made me, the man Called me every name in the book and got completely mad at me, and still had the audacity to say that "he's a good guy and that he never would've did me like my ex did me". God only knows what would've happened had I have said yes with that being his behavior to not having his way.
And then they love to make up the lie of "we lead them on" when in reality, they make it seem as though they're okay with our friendship and we become secure with that, and then out of no where, it's something completely different out of the blue.
And then they act like WE OWE THEM a relationship, or like we owe them our time. They become dangerously possessive. And then we're somewhere feeling shitty because we were taken advantage of and put all of our trust into these so called male friends that we thought we had just for them get mad at us about something we never expected.
Good man or not, we don't owe you all a relationship or our bodies. Everybody does not have to like you because you're a good person. But they're not mature enough for that conversation, and THAT'S the real problem.
And y'all can leave frowny faces on my comment all you want but until each genders can come together to communicate and take accountability, nothing will ever be solved.
I said what the fuck I said, you don't like it go cry about it. Nobody owes y'all anything and that's just what it is
The only good men out there are the ones who don’t care. The ones who don’t play the games. The ones who prefer to be alone and single as opposed to the desperate ones who feel entitled because they do everything they think they’re supposed to do and end up with nothing. What irks me is that I’m grouped in with the types of men who come across as desperate. And I’m called an incel, a mysoginist, etc anyway. Even though I’m not even trying to get into a relationship. Yet these women don’t believe me when I say that so they try attacking me by claiming that I’m going to die alone as if that’s something that’ll piss me off when it doesn’t 😂 it’s actually what I want. And women laugh when men say they’re being demonized. We are. Women have too strict of expectations now yet they believe being sexualized is empowering. And wonder why these desperate single men are squirming with inner rage that was originally pent up love that’s been rotted away and instead becomes bitterness instead of love. But if you have no love left to give it doesn’t become bitterness. It just goes straight care-free-ness which women seem to absolutely loathe
@Heartache0405 and you're absolutely right! There's a lot of contradicting, hypocritical trifling ass women that are just as bad. I drag them as well, so with me they aren't safe neither.
I'm very big on justice.
There are women that do intentionally take advantage of good guys. My oldest sister had an amazing guy that really liked her; took her out on dates, etc. and even told her that he didn't want to sleep with her right away, but that he wanted to get to know her because he genuinely liked her more than just sex. Instead of her accepting that, she begged him to sleep with her and I guess eventually they winded up doing so and she admitted to me that after they did, she ghosted him because she had "got all that she wanted" and til this day I can't stand her. Yes she's my sister, but I can't stand her nor the choices she makes and we're talking about a 30 something year old woman! I'm 23 and and I know better than that! I wish I good men would approach me and actually cared to get to know me instead of just wanting to fuck, because that's extremely rare!
Sadly it's women like that that mess it up for women like me that can only dream what it would be like to have a good man!
I'm so scared to date now because as I said, I don't know what I'm choosing anymore. And it's exactly like you said yourself; these types of men are entitled and basically shallow.
I just wished more men would take accountability. I could go on and on forever with you of experiences I've gone through with men in which I've described that whine and complain about "good men" but are the worst things ever!
It’s difficult to be for justice when there are two sides to every story.
I was falsely accused in college. I really liked this one girl even though I told myself I shouldn’t date anymore after having been cheated on by all 4 of my past exes. But I thought I’d dip my foot in and see what happened. We had the same class and I knew she had a panic disorder because she would go running out of class with her friend and back again when the professor wanted us to speak in front of the class. I really felt for her. I wanted to do things the right way. So I thought it best to message her instead of approach in person. We hit it off and she asked me why I didn’t talk to her in person claiming she didn’t bite. So we became friends and would hang out after class together with her friend too. Long story short she claimed I did something and I thought the right thing to do was apologize even though I didn’t know what I did wrong. She took my apology as though I did do something wrong and the next thing I knew I was served an ex parte PPO. Worse than a restraining order. There were 2 county cops and 1 campus security officer there to serve it to me. I would dry heave every morning in fear of just bumping into her on my way to class and ending up arrested even if I did nothing and kept walking. I had to meet with the head of security and the Dean of the college. My mom didn’t even believe me. So I kept her out of the whole ordeal and my dad and his side of the family helped me by getting my the best lawyer who the girl had tried to hire even though said lawyer was already working for me. We went to court and my lawyer was able to convince her to go along with changing the ex parte PPO to a civil temporary restraining order and sense I never did what she claimed (she claimed I stalked her both online and in person and also claimed that I had intent on shooting Up the college with her as my target when I don’t own any guns) i ended up giving up on trying completely after that.
My point with that story is there’s always two sides and mine was never heard. Because it was the word of a woman against the word of a man. I got very lucky. The only thing we can do is leave the justice to God/Jesus. Because when humans try to do it they always have to find someone to destroy
@Heartache0405 and I'm not trying to invalidate you at all but as you just said yourself: there's two sides to every story. Somebody else may hear this story and wonder what would make a girl go out of her way to that extent? Did you do or say anything at all that made her uncomfortable in any way? Only God knows.
My main point was enough men are just not taking accountability these days for anything. Yes I'm aware that society can be hard on you all, but that doesn't mean that women have it any less hard. You forget that before women were even allowed to have rights many years ago, there was a time where man had all the power. Men called the shots, men got away with doing whatever they pleased to women, women were not allowed to go public about anything, women weren't allowed to do or say or even go certain places without a man's permission. And guess what? It's still like that in certain cultures right today! There are cultures right now where women feel the same way all of you American feel right now; as if they have no rights.
Everything is cause and effect. And not to justify anyone's wrong behavior whatsoever, but a lot of women that are going around hating men have their reasons.
You all claim that you feel powerless because of us, yet and still you all have gotten away with many things too. A white man right now is being justified in a crime that consisted of an African American young women dying prior to him being the last person she was seen with and that case was brushed to the side all because "he appears to be an innocent sweet man". Look how long it took them to catch up with R. Kelly for all of the underage girls he's slept with! All because he's known as an icon and is liked for his music, and some people STILL think that he's innocent!
Don't talk like men just face all the injustice alone because even by doing that, you're invalidating every woman whom had suffered in some type of way due to a man and THAT is not fair.
Take justice into your own hands and you’ll be no better than those who you claim to do justice against.
Men just need to stop making everything about them... that's all I'm saying.
I have another situation of a man that's been crushing on me since high school (not like I am asked him to) that won't leave me alone and only wants the title of a boyfriend! Us talking on the phone 24/7 wasn't enough for him because he still just desperately wants to be boyfriend and girlfriend and I'm not in the same state with him anymore, plus I have a damn son I need to focus on raising, but does he care? No!
Instead, he threw a tantrum twice (I forgave him the first time) and even threatened to commit suicide! Now how is that fair to me?
But guess what? All because he has autism, they're going to fault me if I dare respond to him because he's considered to having a mental illness, so sadly I have to put up with his endless stalking and trouble making! All of this because of another man who couldn't take no for answer!
Y'all gotta grow up
@Heartache0405 I guess you would know huh? Seems like you're no better cause you just don't get it
Why would i take accountability for other men? As if i have to carry some responsibility just because i share anatomical similarities with them.
And yes , YOU have to pick better men.
Like , how am i supposed to know what you think a good man is? All i can do is give you a list of traits that i think make a good man.
And that list is probably going to be a description of myself because yes, i think im good.
But according to you, me thinking im a good man actually makes me the opposite.
So what am i supposed to do here? Call myself a total jackass so you'd perceive me as good?
The logic escapes me
Yes. Period. Nices guys have zero back bone for their girl, let alone themselves. God forbid if you had kids with a nice guy and your kids are getting attacked. The wife is trying to save them as best as she can. What does he do? 1. Run. 2. Try to call the police who will arrive wayyy too late. 3. Try to negotiate with the attacker not to steal the children.
Women just don't feel contained and safe around a nice guy. Either because she needs protecting from him or because she has to step up and protect them, when she is physically weaker and will more easily have burn out. Long term, he become another child for her to care for and they will resent each other.
Simply being a nice.. or better yet a kind human is the BARE MINIMUM. "Oh, you're not an abusive asshole?" Yeah, lets get married. The bar is so freaking low to these men that they think simply being a nice guy will guarantee unlimited sex or a strong, healthy long term relationship. I thought we all collectively passed this phase after 4th grade. Seems not.
I'm living proof of your question.
I work, have a vehicle which I drive and repair. I cook, clean, do handy things. I'm intelligent, and funny. I'm respectful, honest and faithful. I'm playful and talented in bed. I cuddle and do nice things for no other reason than I can. I honestly can't think of a thing I DON'T DO... seriously.
Yet her I am, 58 years old and alone. I've let much resigned myself to that and really aren't trying anymore.
I don't get replies to messages. No one initiates with me, because they're more into swipung left. I speak plainly and politely. I don't have an ego. I don't talk about sex the first 5 minutes.
I'm not into casual sex or one night stands. I don't drink, do drugs, or gamble, go out with the boys. I'm not a child molester, or sex offender. I don't lie. I don't cheat. I don't sneak. I don't chat up other women.
I'm not perfect by any means, but I'm a damned sight better than a lot I see, and the many I see disrespecting women that deserve much better.
Am I bitter? Not at all. If something happens with someone, I'm not going to say no, but I'm not actively looking, or chasing. I'm not beat out by others, I just refuse to compete with those that do what they do, and I refuse to be judged by someone's past experiences with jerks and pigs. If someone can't find the courage to open up and take me at face value, their loss, so I'll wait.
I think the focus on the 'nice guy/bad boy' dichotomy is misplaced. 'Being too nice' is usually a shorthand for 'being a doormat who won't stand up for himself, and therefore won't stand up for me or our future offspring'. A man CAN be perfectly kind and gentle, whilst possessing the innate capacity to vigorously defend himself / other people when necessary. The goal for men, in this regard, is to "be the samurai in a garden, rather than the gardener in a Battlefield". That capacity for aggression is what ultimately allows peaceful conduct to predominate in everyday social contexts. Any martial artist worth their salt knows that you learn *how* to inflict terrible violence so that you need never do so. It is the untrained and the meekly naive who inadvertently blunder their way into situations where they can be caught off-guard. Thus they get pushed around and walked all over, because they've suppressed their innate aggression instinct, rather than integrate it into their embodied nature as mature men.
Tl;dr: it's not that women don't want "nice guys", it's that they want guys who have the capacity to set niceness aside when required, whilst still choosing civility and decency in times of relative peace.
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I wouldn't say so. My boyfriend is lovely and I'm proud to be with such a great man. He's very well known in the community for his and his family's charity work and everyone tells me how much of a lucky girl I am to have such a kind man and that I'll be joining into a great family. He treats me like a queen. He does everything for me without me asking and he always puts others before himself that's why I love him as much as do. He's like a dream come true. Yes we fight like every couple but it doesn't take away from how good a man he is.
@puppystarfish23 So you have a simp slave.
@YesIWouldLikeFries why do you think any man that's decent and honest is a bad thing?
I think a man who is both strong-minded and kind (a rare combination) can not only avoid finishing last but actually finish first.
That's the actual, very rare gentleman. He's like a lion that can retract its claws. He's capable of fighting, protecting others, leading, asserting his true mind, and he's extremely competent, but he always chooses to be kind to those who do not threaten him or his loved ones.
That is actually an ideal type of man as I see it and I doubt a man who is capable of being so ideal (I'm not) would find a shortage of women who desire him. Yet I think many confuse the notion of a gentleman for any man who is gentle (like a timid one motivated by fear) rather than the man who is strong enough to consciously choose to be gentle.
I mention this point because there is a type of nice guy out there who is really gentle and kind and doesn't necessarily have sinister ulterior motives, but he's incapable of being anything but kind because he's motivated too much by fear and still places others on a pedestal. So such a guy can end up being a doormat anyway and find himself in a lowly position in society because he lacks the mental strength to assert himself even if his intentions are pure.
I agree that self-described 'nice guys' are usually full of shit, more often than not they are incels that are pissed off that women aren't just dropping their pants for them. And then they go and complain that 'nice guys finish last'.
My boyfriend is a very loving person who will help anyone without a second thought. He has always had a mix of both male and female friends, they have always said that they like him because unlike a lot of guys he's never tried anything with them or had some kind of ulterior motive.
The only thing nice people need to look out for are moochers who will try and get what they can from them. Some people will take advantage of those with a good heart, and it's sad because people like that are harder to find these days. It makes me so angry whenever I hear of good people getting taken for a fool.
@The1Girl There's that word again, incel. What makes you think that men that "can't" get any are celibate? Its not involuntary. Its completely by choice. We don't care about your pussy flaps. Every woman has them. If you think that's what it takes to get a "good man" you clearly don't have a fucken clue.
@YesIWouldLikeFries What on earth are you babbling about? Who says that women need to provide 'pussy flaps' in order to have a relationship with a nice person? My point was that 9 times out of 10, a person that preaches 'nice guys finish last' when it comes to relationships is usually not a nice person at all.
This vulgar nonsense that you spew doesn't make any sense, nor does it back up any kind of point that you're trying to make. This has nothing to do with those that choose celibacy, this isn't about them. Again, this is about the self-described 'nice guys' that are in fact incels who aren't nice people at all.
@YesIWouldLikeFries 'There are no nice guys. We all just pretend.' - and if you think this is true, you're the one that doesn't have a clue. Sorry to burst your self-righteous bubble, but you don't speak for everybody. 🤦🏻♀️ And if this is what you think then you need to get out there and speak to more people outside of your circle.
Its funny how you're saying your boyfriend is this perfect guy while putting down every other guy calling them incels. Of course you're going to consider your boyfriend a perfect guy. He's your boyfriend 😂 I bet you'll start calling him an incel once you guys break up and he's no longer considered a "perfect guy."
I agree with what @YesIWouldLikeFries said, because I am voluntarily celibate and am constantly called an incel even though I don't date, am not looking for a relationship, am not interested in sex, marriage, cohabitation, etc. How does that make me an incel? Because I'm not giving myself over to a woman? That makes me an incel? Rejecting any and all women who take interest in me? That makes me an incel? I believe it just means I know my own self worth and cherish it far more than anyone else can/will/would. If that's wrong in any way than idgaf.
@Heartache0405 Another person arguing against things I literally never said. You may as well argue with thin air. 'Its funny how you're saying your boyfriend is this perfect guy while putting down every other guy calling them incels.' Huh? Did you read something else? That certainly doesn't resemble anything I said. Interesting. There must be a hacker on the site.
Let me say it again: at what point did I say that those that are voluntarily celibate are incels? Please tell me where I was putting down 'every other guy' apart from my boyfriend? My point was that many of the people that say 'nice guys finish last' when it comes to relationships are not nice people at all.
Definition of 'nice guys finish last' (in relationships): the idea that men who treat women well will never come before assholes that treat them like shit.
Don't tell me that I will start calling my boyfriend an incel when we break up. You don't know the slightest thing about me. I wouldn't just call someone an incel for the sake of it. Match the description of an incel, get labelled an incel. It's as simple as that.
My opinion was that a lot of people that say that 'nice guys finish last' are not nice people. They for some reason feel that they are owed something. They're pissed off with rejection. This is an incel. What has that got to do with you and your celibate lifestyle? I do not care if you choose not to date women, no that does not make you an incel.
>>> ✨I did not say that ✨ <<<
Men that complain they don't get attention from women, do you fall in to that category? No? Then I was not talking about you.
Stop conjuring up bullshit in order to get offended by what I said, your points do not relate to mine.
If you are being called an incel simply for not dating, then this is wrong. I don't know why anyone would say that about you. It's not true. But don't get what I said mixed up with whatever unjust rubbish people have said about you.
@The1Girl
"What on earth are you babbling about? Who says that women need to provide 'pussy flaps' in order to have a relationship with a nice person? My point was that 9 times out of 10, a person that preaches 'nice guys finish last' when it comes to relationships is usually not a nice person at all.
This vulgar nonsense that you spew doesn't make any sense, nor does it back up any kind of point that you're trying to make. This has nothing to do with those that choose celibacy, this isn't about them. Again, this is about the self-described 'nice guys' that are in fact incels who aren't nice people at all."
Do you even know what the word incel is. Involuntary Celibate. I was merely pointing out that there are no incels. There's no such thing. Its a word made up by feminists to compartmentalize men into neat little boxes so they can trash talk us.
Also what guy describes themselves as nice lol? I think that's another thing women perpetuated.
@The1Girl "and if you think this is true, you're the one that doesn't have a clue. Sorry to burst your self-righteous bubble, but you don't speak for everybody. 🤦♀️ And if this is what you think then you need to get out there and speak to more people outside of your circle."
What for? I don't need to get out there. What would that achieve exactly?
I do have a clue. I am wiser than you or anyone knows.
@heartache0405 "I agree with what @YesIWouldLikeFries said, because I am voluntarily celibate and am constantly called an incel even though I don't date, am not looking for a relationship, am not interested in sex, marriage, cohabitation, etc. How does that make me an incel? Because I'm not giving myself over to a woman? That makes me an incel? Rejecting any and all women who take interest in me? That makes me an incel? I believe it just means I know my own self worth and cherish it far more than anyone else can/will/would. If that's wrong in any way than idgaf."
Yep I've been living the MGTOW life since I was in my early twenties. Even before that. I just didn't know there was a term for it.
This is sociology. I stopped caring about all the Nice guy, bad guy, weird guy, nerd guy, smart guy, ill guy, Handicapped guy, Transexual guy, whatever guy, guy-things and followed my purpose only. As I get older, I know what I want in life and in a partner. I find it okay if I don't have a partner. I don't force anyone to be with me or to like me. I ask out only once. If she rejects me. Then I take that and move on. I fully gave up on that. Because I am the one who is responsible for my happiness and not a person or a certain material.
I don't like people that give me negative vibes. I don't like people who stress over things that doesn't matter.
Being naturally nice doesn't automatically mean you are every single ladies man and the perfect human being. Everyone has flaws. Some prefer it differently and that's okay.
What I'd like to add another thing is, that I find it so strange how the internet defines your destiny and your personality aka what type of guy you are.
For example: "You are a nice guy because you act nice and that's why you don't have a girlfriend".
This statement is an insult of every reader's intelligence because It's a major issue in our society and has got nothing to do with the individual. The person chooses who she wants to be woth. You can't copy someone's personality.
So does that mean those type of guys deserve nothing at all? Not even entering a store?
"Sir, wait!! We have detected you are fake nice. Move out now!" (I guess that is the next pandemic)
Now read the bible. What does dear god say about good people?
James 1:17. "Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow."
And here is the internet dating advice:
"Don't be a good guy! Be the opposite. Destroy everything, hurt people then girls will see you manly".
Now if you compare, this is sounds like a battle between gods on which side recruits more people to start a war. The dark side or the good side. The good side have good people, beautiful unicorns and the dark side has sexy women and confident bad boys while in their early 20s.
And then they say: "Bad boy means confidence". They must have some issues with their IQ-Levels... what has confidence got to do with "bad"? You can be still a good guy and be confident. I didn't know that being confident makes you bad/terrible.
Now... all I wonder is... who on earth has created this nice guy, bad guy theory? We need highly intelligent people... like seriously. I assume it's mainstream media.
I´d say for sure. Because really nice guys could be seen as not having a back bone when it comes to arguments they rather compromise than risking to hurt a person.
Everybody wants a nice person as partner. Being nice is rather the fundament of being in a relationship. If you can´t be nice for altruistic motives your relationships won´t last.
Yes real nice guys can be the best husbands by they are also the guys that are most likely to be overlooked because a guy isn´t recognized by a woman if he doesn´t have a strong charisma.
I’m only nice/good to people in general. I’m not nicer to women because they’re women or because I want them to like me. If women hate nice guys than good! Ever heard of “kill them with kindness?” They probably hate it when men are nicer than them. That’s most likely why they claim to hate nice guys and try to come up with anything they can to make them out as if they have some alternative agenda other than just being nice. If all it takes to get a women is to be an asshole to them then that says more about the women than the men. 🤷🏻♂️
Can’t argue what that even if I wanted to because you’re not wrong
There are nice guys and then there are "nice guys," or guys who pretend to be nice and simp because they think that reciprocity is the key to sexual relationships. They are incorrect. Evolution, mating, and attraction are amoral and cannot be negotiated. It's true that female attraction is a pareto phenomenon, or that the average female finds the average male sexually invisible, or simply put 90% of women are attracted to the same 10% of men. It's been that way in the past since the stone age. So a man has only two ways of finding peace. Either compete and struggle to make yourself among the top 10% then have your pic of the litter, and I doubt you can do that by being nice. And secondly if you feel you can't make it then bow out of the game, reduce your life expenditures and lead a happy simple life, keeping your sexual desires purely transactional, there is no need to be nice about that also.
These questions that are directed to or about one sex are funny! How about asking such a question this way? Do nice PEOPLE finish last? Well, I have met just about as many females that were/are assholes as men! Men and women both cheat and take advantage of gullible people. If a person can overcome being fucked over by another and will keep on trying they most definitely can not only finish but finish in a great spot! It's about 6:30 AM as I write this. About an hour ago I finished reading an email from a friend. He got ghosted last night. He went on and ate had some drinks then went home. he is a nice guy! In fact, he is so nice that sometimes I want to slap him for being stupid!
I'm not sure that's the case. But yeah if you're naturally a kind person, you'll get a lot of women misinterpreting kind or thoughful gestures for you liking them and trying to get something out of it. It's pretty cringey, and it weeds out people who are full of themselves quite effectively. Leaves you with the best (really high quality people) and the worst options (users) on the table.
So actually no, I don't think nice people finish last. There's just not that many really high quality people, the dating pool is very limited. So in that sense they may not get what they're looking for, ever. Because there's such a limited supply. And they might not be as high quality themselves as the people they wanna be with.
Real nice guys are usually always in a relationship and/or getting hitched on the early side of the curve.
They don't experience crazy dating traumas and if they do, they take some time to heal (alone) and then learn from their mistakes without dragging a bunch of emotionally available women into their healing process.
So no, I don't think they finish last, I think they are mostly able to avoid the pitfalls of the dating scene, hence their ability to stay nice and true.
I had a girl put off her insecurities on me saying I didn't lead enough and take charge and really it was her stretch marks that made her insecure. I work and I'm too tired to be fucking at 3am so when I'd initiate sex when the sun was up she'd decline because I would see what she looks like. Well duh.. That's like half the fun of it. She's like if you would have shown a little more interest and moved a little faster I may have still been interested. Nice guys finish last after all. I didn't even care at that point after hearing that bs. She would come up with all kinds of excuses. This wasn't my fault. She just needs to love herself and not let her insecurities get the best of her. I also wasn't all that attracted to her. Everyone told me to lower my standards so this is what happened. Lol
i think the real nice ones do. because girls see them as too nice. the only thing holding me back from my nice guy is we are both shy. he was cheated on twice by two exs and is terrified to get hurt again and i can really understand that
People who call themselves "nice guys" are typically just guys who think that its "nice" to talk to a love interest until it becomes annoying. Then they get told to give them some space. Then they get mad and post online "why do nice guys finnish last"
Example: I know a guy, not the worst looking and was in shape, who would go up to cute girls and nonstop try to talk to them and if they ever gave hints that they were uncomfortable, he wouldn't understand. He said "i dont get it, im a nice guy"
Example: My old boss was an overweight guy, average looks, skin condition. But he gave women space and time, focused on their subtle hints and interests and wasn't obsessed with sex. He has a wife and kids now.
brainwashed by women. how sad for you.
I finish last because when Women found out I am good-hearted, they used it to try to play games and get what they want from me. If you want to get anywhere in life anymore, you have to be cut-throat, insensitive and two-faced to everyone. I'm none of thee above, therefore as long as I am a target, I am going to get nowhere. Hence one of the reasons I am single.
Yes because these nice guys were ignored until they became something meanwhile these bad boy assholes ran through have the ladies over and over… How many partners got what you had to give for free before you “settled” on the nice guy but required something from him?
I was nice for years and got nothing out of it… actually I got screwed.
A girl not wanting you does not equal you getting screwed, hun. Not everybody is for you and you are not for everybody but it takes an adult mind to realize that. At the end of the day, people are going to go for the ones they WANT not what they need but guess what that's the fucked up part of humanity and a lot of people still have to mature in their minds to be able to realize that you're better off with the person you need instead of what you always want.
As women if anything we can say the same things about you all because you all simp over women who are ran through and plaster their bodies all over the internet with 13 pounds of makeup on everyday, but guess what? That's what you all like and because of that, a lot of good women have fell back and no longer trust any of you because you all settle for trash, same thing for goofy ass bitches who only settle for dirt sacks, they've chased all the good men away. Now all we're left with out here are a bunch of people that aren't shit.
What can you do? Nothing!
And not to be rude but a lot of you guys that cry about being "the good guy" are starting to be the main reg flags because every guy is out here calling themselves a good guy, even the ones who are literally terrible. So now, a lot of women don't trust you all. I've legit heard some women say these days that they're going to start breaking y'all hearts before they allow y'all to break theirs so y'all have turned a lot of good women bad too simply because everyone's scared of you all now and vice versa. I feel terribly sorry for the men who ARE genuine that don't come on the internet announcing it every 3 seconds but are back somewhere being humbled and waiting on a good woman.
Both sides need to take accountability
@Crazycookie23 Women need to grow up. Stop being children with your shit tests. You're the ones that are shit with your list of demands.
We don't care about your demands. You should focus instead on what you can offer.
Your pussy flaps aren't anything special. Every woman has them.
@Crazycookie23 How are men terrible. Its you women that are ridiculous with your unreasonable demands. Grow the fuck up. Woman up. Or enjoy your cats and wine 🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂
@Crazycookie23 Instead of looking for red flags how about you accept the guy you want for who he is and not try and change him? And while we're at it why are you trying to look for a man that doesn't exist.
The men you see in movies, tv shows and those romance novels you read doesn't exist. He will never exist. Because that's all a fantasy. Its made up bullshit.
We don't trust women because their words don't match their actions. You say one thing but do another. That is contradictory behaviour.
Why should we commit our attention time and resources to you? What can you offer that no other woman on the planet can?
Tell us we'll wait.
@crazycookie29 sorry for not responding was busy helping family rip down an old shed… i wanted to give you a special response…
I’ve already typed this once so I’m a bit irritated and gonna shorten it… How can a man understand pregnancy and birth? How can a woman explain it to him? I doubt you can understand a man’s struggles but we’ll try.
Spent years building myself into a better man. Work limits my social life so I’ve used dating apps. Years of dating apps , revising bios, updating pictures and not one date. I haven’t a clue what I’m doing wrong but I’m supposed to continue pushing because it’s my job to hunt the women… When I say “nice” I mean basic kindness people should get. If I have to explain this then yeah I don't know. I wanna make a point here and don’t know how to do it without bragging so fuck it I’m bragging… I’ve been held at gunpoint when I was in high school. My answer was to talk the guy down while keeping the gun and him focused on me not my family behind me… I regularly lift more then people that look stronger then me can pull off… I manage a meager 50k per year salary but that’s well above the national average and double what I need to survive each month… mind you that’s a significant reduction from pre-COVID. I was around 70ish. So bullshit bragging aside what more is expected of me to be “worthy” of going on a date to get to know me?
Society don’t tell me what I’m lacking and all I see today is constant man bashing… #killallmen… sluts sleeping around… this means nothing to me. But the women whom “seem” to avoid me does and the women that stay silent while I’m badmouthed left and right… I have to assume these assholes getting laid left and right are doing something right… Likewise the women being ran through are doing something wrong.
Im curious how I should handle this… should I blindly continue to HOPE a woman one day recognizes me for my quality?
The fact is… women arnt worth the effort anymore. Marriage isn’t sacred it’s just a way to steal our money after. Women have dozens of partners and think all men are the same… Honey I have 4 partners and I’m proud of that. All except one was in long relationships. A hookup to try new… gotta be honest wasn’t all that interesting. But I have to accept you because…your women and wanna get married…
Again. For years these chads were fucking you without commitment yet you think your values as high as ever as you slowly lowered your standards to a point where I’m acceptable? I worked hard for the first kiss as a nice provider but these other men you met in pars got it cause you were wet for them?
Your right accountability is lacking in today’s society. To the point I’ve almost completely abandoned it.
I’ve seen amazing women. In my own family they support their husbands and households and work to being in money and do everything. I could never be so amazing so I break myself to be worthy of standing there with them… but their not mine. In fact without them nobody would care for me…
But you can pop out a tit and have a partner fuck away your loneliness in a few minutes can’t ya? It may be ephemeral but it’s still a release… men choose video games and hobbies.
I suggest this retreat into gaming is because men understand nobody is there for them. But plenty of feminists are out there against them… Your truth don’t matter only our perception. Most men won’t go into detail about this blackness but I did…
So. Can you understand a little of being a man in a world that don’t value you?
This cynical view is why men are really tired of being nice. But I don't know if women can even understand it without blaming men for being “trash”.
@Crazycookie23
Women, as a collective, chase away the good men by the time that most of those men reach the age of 30.
Ignore what women say they want. Watch to see whom they choose.
Until women reach the age of about 30, close enough to all women want sociopaths and abusive shitbags.
Decent men who are looking for a life partner to love need not apply.
By the time that good men turn 30, an increasing number of them give up and walk away. They choose a life without women. Women, as a collective, rejected them. Now, it is the ‘good men’ who do the rejecting. The men are bitter, resentful and have learned that women carry with them extreme legal and financial liabilities.
The twist in this that about the same age women who spent their teens and 20s riding the carousel of ‘exciting’ bad boys decide that they are “ready for a good man”.
When these women put out the mating call for the type of man they have rejected for the past 15 or 20 years, they hear crickets.
That results in the common 30-something female lament “where did all the good men go?”
The answer is that she and those like her ran off the good men through rejections, false allegations and making it clear that those men were unworthy of female attention.
Enjoy your cats.
@VanillaSalt "The fact is… women arnt worth the effort anymore. Marriage isn’t sacred it’s just a way to steal our money after. Women have dozens of partners and think all men are the same… Honey I have 4 partners and I’m proud of that. All except one was in long relationships. A hookup to try new… gotta be honest wasn’t all that interesting. But I have to accept you because…your women and wanna get married…"
This. Why should a man put in effort for any woman? What benefit is there for us? There isn't any. Women listen up closely. Would you buy lets say a pair of shoes. They look good from the outside but they are lacking some quality. The souls are not as advertised. But you only find this out after a few months of wearing them. Would you be pissed off that you wasted time and effort earning money to buy them. Now you understand where men are coming from. We are not going to commit any effort and resources to something that isn't as advertised on the "box".
@VanillaSalt I've had two dates in my life. Two. Let that sink in. I had two dates with each girl. So four dates in total.
I had no interest in girls until my early thirties. I can already hear the words. Loser, incel, etc. I don't give a fuck. I furthered my knowledge as best as I could. I am extremely intelligent to the point where I can sense how others percieve me so I manipulate that to my advantage. Not for anything sexual. I wouldn't waste my time in such a trivial matter.
I found out very quickly that its a pointless endevour. There is no woman on this planet that is on my level. So I didn't bother dating any further. I learned what I wanted to from the brief dating experiences I had.
I cannot stand people beneath me. They annoy me. Having to explain basic concepts to them. Like some people I've seen don't even know how to operate a microwave! And even more basic things. It puzzles me how someone that is 25+ has no basic skills. They are useless people in my opinion. Peasants that don't deserve to interact with me on the most basic level.
@VanillaSalt "But you can pop out a tit and have a partner fuck away your loneliness in a few minutes can’t ya? It may be ephemeral but it’s still a release… men choose video games and hobbies."
Yes we choose video games. In my case I chose them when I was about 15. And I still love them. Because they never judge me. They never critisize me. They reward me for my effort. Something no modern women is capable of.
They are selfish self entitled children that just want want want, demand, demand, demand. And they wonder why they can't find a "good man". The man you're imagining is only in one place. Your head. And that's where he'll always be. No such man exists in reality. Stop trying to find a man with traits of previous men you've been involved in. Which by the way was your choice. You chose to be with those men. No one else. Stop blaming men for YOUR bad decisions.
I've made some bad decisions in my life. Do I blame anyone? No. I have to deal with the consequences of my actions. It sucks but no one is going to magically fix my problems. I have to work at them to make myself better and not make the same mistakes again. Another thing women aren't willing to do. Not from what I've observed anway.
@VanillaSalt "I suggest this retreat into gaming is because men understand nobody is there for them. But plenty of feminists are out there against them… Your truth don’t matter only our perception. Most men won’t go into detail about this blackness but I did…"
More truth. I have tried to go into detail about the blackness. But no one wants to listen. Not even my own mum. How shit is that. She has told me throughout my life I can talk to her about anything I want. But when I try to she doesn't want to hear it. Because its dark. Dark and negative. I'm not interested in talking about trivial things. I want to understand my human nature. Why I am the way I am. Why I turned out this way. But it seems no one wants to listen. They just want to impose their bullshit views and opinions on me. I'm not interested in that. And I will ignore anyone that tries to. I will sever all contact with them.
@VanillaSalt "Can you understand a little of being a man in a world that don’t value you?"
That's what men want most of all. To be valued like we matter. Because if we continue to be treated like we don't then we are going to abandon society and all your modern conveniences will go with it.
Who's going to keep the electricity, gas, water and infrastructure running. Women? Ha! They can't even take responsibility for their actions. There is little chance they'd be able to keep a society running.
"This cynical view is why men are really tired of being nice. But I don't know if women can even understand it without blaming men for being “trash”."
Fuck being nice. I don't give a shit if someone gets offended. Can't handle it? Too bad. Grow up and stop being children ffs.
@VanillaSalt ""Society don’t tell me what I’m lacking and all I see today is constant man bashing… #killallmen… sluts sleeping around… this means nothing to me. "
Social media is worthless. Its a completely pointless waste of resources. Facebook, Twitter and the like are in it to make money. They don't give a shit about you or anyone else. No privately owned company does.
I had to spread this out over several posts because it was too long lol. Anyway I hope the younger men can learn from this. And the women too. Though I doubt they will.
@cth96190 "Women, as a collective, chase away the good men by the time that most of those men reach the age of 30.
Ignore what women say they want. Watch to see whom they choose.
Until women reach the age of about 30, close enough to all women want sociopaths and abusive shitbags.
Decent men who are looking for a life partner to love need not apply.
By the time that good men turn 30, an increasing number of them give up and walk away. They choose a life without women. Women, as a collective, rejected them. Now, it is the ‘good men’ who do the rejecting. The men are bitter, resentful and have learned that women carry with them extreme legal and financial liabilities.
The twist in this that about the same age women who spent their teens and 20s riding the carousel of ‘exciting’ bad boys decide that they are “ready for a good man”.
When these women put out the mating call for the type of man they have rejected for the past 15 or 20 years, they hear crickets.
That results in the common 30-something female lament “where did all the good men go?”
The answer is that she and those like her ran off the good men through rejections, false allegations and making it clear that those men were unworthy of female attention.
Enjoy your cats."
Well said. Don't forget they need wine too to drown their sorrows lol.
There can be some truth to it. Though I think a lot of genuinely nice guys say screw it at some point and simply stop being nice. It makes me wonder how many ‘nice guys’ started out at genuinely nice. Because for some guys I can see it creating a "If you can't best them, join them" situation. So at some point they stop being nice and be an ass like a lot of men. Because it can seem like it's working out a hell of a lot better when it comes to dating and relationships for the a-holes.
Yes, we do, because we get told we're boring because we already care, so there's no chase, we're already faithful, so there's no risk of loosing us to someone else so we get ignored and end up adding to men's mental health statistics or turn into the guys who actually get the attention of the women they like.
Women don't want a nice guy, they want a confident, charismatic, go-getting, socially dominant, economically successful man who also happens to be nice.
Being nice doesn't do anything by itself, no woman dreams about marrying a nice guy.
Nice is how you describe a person when you can't find anything else that's attractive about them.
"Well, at least he is nice.."- that's how nice guys finish.
nice in general finishes last. this is not a good world for "nice". Nice often means weak.
resilient, driven, focused, with values guiding, with goals, passion and desire... finishes up front in what they desire... if they are fortunate.
Actually it's usually the bad boys who can't take a punch. All show, no spine.
The last guy I hit was beating the crap out of his wife in front of my workplace.
I hit him once, then I checked his pulse. The only fear I felt was that I might have killed him with that punch (at about %80 strength)
Let's keep things straight. Are you asking if a nice guy cums after his girlfriend came? Cumming together would still be the summit of course. Nearly always my wife and I arranged our games in order for her to cum first. One of my greatest pleasure to watch a lady orgasming ! No idea if this makes me a nice guy, because we just loved it that way.
@Jaykrisss Why should I be joking? Or did I misunderstood the question?
Your last line also describes even the actual nice guys also finishing last, as they are husband material. Most girls consider bad guys as boyfriends and good guys as husband material and you are no different. I believe I am can be good but not always, as I help raise money for the poor or sick, volunteer for blind people or animals, and girls have told me on my face that guys like you are only good after the thirties.
Yup in both high school and college girls told me i am too nice and straight forward. Seen many making out with bullies and show offs. While i wait for the "good" girl like an idiot.
Often i think why be nice and wait for a girl like that who might never come by. I guess you felt that too huh
Yes. It is actually true they do. Some occasions they get the girl. But very rare. And a lot of women take shit about not having a nice guy. When they turn down all of them for the “bad boy” lol. Not saying you should settle for someone you aren’t attracted too. But please don’t complain that there aren’t good guys. Women that do that should re-evaluate there taste in men.
True. But most women want that but don’t offer same energy. Have very little to offer. However, those “nice” guys you speak of aren’t nice guys, you are correct. They are the bad boys that are wolves in sheep’s clothing.
All the woman that I’ve been friends with throughout our lifetime. All of them have turned down truly nice guys that would give them the world. Here’s the issue, those guys have all those things, but women don’t give them a chance. If it doesn’t jump out at them, they are done. There is just a lot of inconsistencies when it comes to this argument from women, unfortunately.
@shaysh87 The “nice” guys are two faced and l
toxic as well, they know how to make females feel loved, good and comfortable by being so “nice” when in reality they do it with every female make them feel special, loved, cared bout, just for the “nice” boys to do it with every female, treats every female the same way. “Nice” boys don’t care bout the females they mess with cus they know if they want some they can get it it’s all part the “nice” act
Love the way women twist certain things like that. Yet, a “bad boy” can make his intentions super clear that he is going to take what he wants and you will be left to suffer the mess behind him. And y’all will gladly accept that. And when shit does go south, then y’all blame the world that there aren’t any good guys out there. So the nice guys are two faced (which you all have already proven that they aren’t nice guys, they are the actual wolves in sheep skin) and then the ones that you want will definitely screw you over. It’s a wonder why there aren’t any happy marriages any more. I feel sorry for y’all, but I feel even worse for the guys that have to put up with that. But to each there own. I guess
@motownplayer2000
Why can’t you just accept the fact that maybe bad boys are simply more interesting to talk to?
Nobody cares how “nice “ you pretend to be if you’re boring As hell
Trust me , I have seen a ton of married nice guys. I am personally friends with af least 5 of them. Niceness has nothing to do with anything. If you’re Boring, nobody would talk to you. Sorry go cry somewhere else
Lol no one is crying. I’m just tired of hear women say there are no good guys. Remember that when you start complaining about some idiot that will treat you like shit and use you. That’s what you want… hope you are happy with that. Is all I’m saying. ✌️
Yes because the true nice guys are BORING to many women. We are also the shy ones a lot of the time that rarely or never approach. That's why so many women are with jerks, because they are the ones that usually do the approaching, and/or they're "exciting".
Women make up the "fake nice guy" shit to convince themselves and others that genuine good men don't exist and that every "nice guy" is really not, thereby justifying them being with the asshole. It's a false argument. Genuine good men exist, but are stepped on by women for lesser men.
I mean yeah your are right, try seeing it from a female pov most of us females have dealt with men that make it seem like there genuine because they know how to get to females especially since most females do end up in toxic relationships so that’s where the fake nice guys come in they know how to make you feel certain ways that being with someone toxic wouldn’t.. yk? Not saying there is genuine nice men out there bc there is and they don’t get the credit nor appreciate they deserve because after dealing with toxic people that put on a act females well I don’t know how to tell when someone is being genuine nice, and maybe that’s why nice guys “finish last” because at the end we dealt wit all the bs and was head over heals for toxic/fake people so when we do get a nice guy we not taking them for granted, we appreciating and showing them they did that.. yeah im not sure if any that made senses I hope so but anyways there is genuine nice guys it just to find the real ones you gotta be patient
There are no nice guys. We all just pretend. If you think you're going to find a real nice guy you'll be searching forever. Whoever made up all this nonsense has got you all fooled.
Marriage is a pointless endeavour in today's world. It only benefits the woman. There is no benefit for the man whatsoever. Its just a wealth transfer from men to women. Nothing more.
There are four types of guys who finish last
1) The guy who has high standards relative to himself
2) The guy who lacks opportunity to meet women
3) The guy who lacks social skills to spark attraction
Whether a guy is nice or not doesn't really matter if he falls into at least one of those three categories.
There's nice guys ( the fakes) and good guys. The nice guys are usually a player in disguise. They're only nice to you until you bore them or you stop putting out or you want something more. So they're probably going to never settle down. And will probably have a few illegitimate kids. Die of an od or STDs.
Fake nice guys do. Like the ones that pride themselves on being “nice” and use that to get women.
Nice guys dont even finish. You dont get what you want by being nice to everyone. You focus on what you want and do what it takes to get it, saying no gives you the time to do so
To a extent like I know this guy who is over 6 foot tall, is a martial artist, has abs, is a handyman, financially stable, has a large dick, is a good guy and a kissless virgin.
In a way he is a epitome of the pickiness of the modern day woman.
I mean he wouldn't last 2 hours in a gaybar if he wasn't straight.
Unbelievable.
But fake nice guys aren't nice guys are they? They're fake nice... Better to jus call then douchebags
Real nice guys don't finish last, I'm a real nice person because I love humans and put myself in others shoes and don't treat anyone how I wouldn't wanna be treated people like me definitely don't get poor scores when it comes to being liked... Everyone likes nice people
Real nice people that is, the way you label assholes in disguise as nice, is a wrong way to label them. Cos they're not really nice
Actually I don't know cos I never flirted with a girl
Because nice, beautiful, and hot girls are busy pining for those bad boys. Then, they wake up - and voila - here's this lovely guy for me. haha! I’m not really serious. But it seems this question is so outdated. 😁😂
Sometimes the good guys wait too long to get noticed because they are respectful and sometimes take too long to go for it -- if they do it at all! It's a bummer nice men don't realize sooner they are actually the ones women are looking for.
@Desconhecida A post wall thinks she knows men 😂🤣😂🤣😂
They don’t wait too long. They’re just not trying at all. They’re not worried about finding a mate. They’re happy without one.
🙄🙄🙄🙄🤦🏻♀️
... yes, cause she cums first...
@Desconhecida You're absolutely right! However, women need to approach guys if they really want them. Because @Heartache0405 is kind of right as well: at the end of the day, a lot of guys just don't care enough to approach.
So, honestly, your destiny is in your hands. Don't just be sad about good guys not approaching you; do something about it.
@Jamie05rhs
The same can be said to the good guys: don't be sad about girls not being with you. Do something about it.
We are all responsible for our destiny but the choices need to be mutual. 🥰
@Heartache0405 +1 to this. I don't want to commit time to finding one. So I don't. I'm happy. I have everything I need.
Nice = weakness in our world, so women dont often go for weak as partners, some tend to use them for something to step on. Thats what they get. Smell pussy but never touch it.
It seems to me it depends on what career field they are in. If they are in the military, or police, they have to be tough and somewhat of an A-hole. I would think nice guys would get eaten alive.
In terms of dealing with women, good men finish last.
Women are drawn to sociopaths and scumbags. Men who are decent human beings need not apply.
I speak from experience.
Society is very sick when calling someone a "nice guy" is considered a pejorative and "wicked" is considered a good thing.
No, they don't. I know many nice guys who are doing very well both financially and romantically. I like to think I'm a nice guy and somehow a very attractive woman is crazy in love with me.
I'm good because I'm bored with my life , for example if someone precedes me while waiting in line I don't care because, I'm bored , maybe I will finish last
I think there is some truth to that. If you are not very aggressive you can be pushed around by others people. There are a couple of times when I got screwed over by trying to be a nice guy.
No, authentic guys who treat others nicely don’t finish last
Not really.
If you are a genuine good person, have social skills and have some ambition and hobbies you won't stay single for long.
@Jaykrisss it's fine if you a bit introverted. So am I. If you have a hobbie you can get into and meet people who like the same do it. From a book club to a charity.
Women love nice men but the term Nice guys finish last refers to a guy who is a pushover and doesn't have any backbone.
Women love Nice guys. We just can't deal with fake Nice. I ve had extremely Nice guys and they happened to be sad manipulators.
Yes, unless they somehow meet the 1 in a billion girl who isn't a trashy, entitled, lazy bitch and she's into them
Geez so 8 girls out of 8 billion are ok to you. Why are you so bitter?
Nah you’re just bitter.
By calling them "husband material" you're actually arguing in favor of the finishing last narrative.
Only the completely stupid among us want to be the safe option.
Yes nice guys do make the best husband material. Maybe that is why I have been married for almost 30 years.
Good luck getting a truly nice guy. We are snatched up quickly by women who know the value of a nice guy.
This is a very complex issue. But notice how it’s almost always “nice guys” who receive derision and not “nice girls”.
90% of the women i ever knew picked toxic dudes. Actually i think they strongly prefer them.
Women want drama. They want toxicity. They won’t admit it but that’s biology. It’s just like when women go out with tight pants and say they do it for their own confidence. Yea it gives them confidence…. Confidence from guys giving them attention. But ofcourse they will try to deny it even though they are biologically wired to behave that way.
@Nades geez who hurt you?
Who lobotomized you hateful bitch?
@Nades Yes, just look at OP.
Lol what 😂
Actually it was your mother who hurt me by producing such a disgusting pathetic horrorshow human failure.
Who hurt me? It’s just facts lol. People especially women secretly want drama in their life. Women biologically want to be desired. So why wouldn’t they take advantage of that for personal ego boost they get from attention that horny men give them? It’s just obvious human psychology.
@Nades You really have a low opinion of us don’t you. And you wonder why you’re single.
I wonder…? No I’m glad lol. Why would I want the drama by staying when I can quick fuck and focus on what matters to me and only me. Also this isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact lol. Girls start their drama phase in high school. Some boys do get involved like the idiots they are. But most are not stupid to get involved in this shit. Go look at how high schoolers behave and adults. There’s barely any difference
@Nades correction, LITTLE GIRLS want all of that. WOMEN don't
@Nades sweetie with that attitude you will continue to miss out every time. Just saying
@Crazycookie23 miss out? On what? Having to rely on someone I don’t care about? You know how much work it is for a guy to develop a connection with a girl? Man has to go in and make the girl notice him. Then he has to read a bunch of signs which he has no idea how to read. Then the girl decides whether to throw him out or keep him. And because he doesn’t know how to read the signs he will most likely get thrown out. And then it’s a repetitive cycle. One where the dumbass could have focused on his own life rather than chase someone else. When it is this hard, why wouldn’t a man cheat or rely on hookups. It’s perfect
Not last but far behind, or maybe they are last but there is some who doesn't finish at all.
I don't believe so, I consider myself a nice guy / good guy and I don't think I've finished last
Yes. Because they put others before themselves. The cutthroats always win in that game. Sorry; but that's just the harsh reality of the situation.
As a nice guy, I've learned that only the guys who treat women like dirt seem to get the women. Women don't want nice guys.
Yet those women will also be the first to say that being a good person is the bare minimum, while guys who don't even reach that level have women throwing themselves at them.
they absolutely do, i do much better than the "nice" guys in my group
remember you can be nice but don't be "nice" (simping, trying too hard, putting a girl on a pedestal)
This question should be asked to women...
I have never finished last and i'm good guy but i can tell you that women are more into bad guys but not the wise real ladies...
No there’s a fine line between a nice guy and an insecure guy who can’t take no for an answer.
BINGO! this is exactly what I'm saying
Yea they always prove us right
The fake nice guys are the worst they have hidden motives to make you believe they are genuine when really they are just after sex or nudes.
Just because you are nice to people it doesn't mean you can't kick someone's ass if they are being rude or disrespectful. I make friend's everywhere, have a cute girlfriend and my estate is worth more than one million, did I finish last? ha ha
@Nades Women want this then they want that, or then they complain , this guy is this or this guy is that. Most of them can't be pleased, so you have to find a sweet girl that isn't a slut. Good luck with that.
@Nades Have fun and good luck :)
Sad so many men in comment are weak willed mentally and easily manipulated by women into thinking men cannot be actually nice and must have ulterior motive.
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