Do you view it as shameful for a man to not be strong and independent?

[idkIoI]

Yes

No

[dynamicyandere]

I don’t view it as shameful. What’s shameful is a man without honor—like a deadbeat father, abandoning his child.


Someone may not the the strongest or the most independent, but if they still have honor, I can respect that. Honor is more of a values, morals, and ethics thing that anyone can do—they just need to decide to be the kind of person that has the integrity to do what’s right. But, in a way, that’s going to take strength as well—strength of heart and mind.


That’s my personal POV.


Among men though, most men do not respect another man that they see as weak. A man needs to be strong mentally and/or physically among other men if they don’t want to be harassed, bullied, or disrespected. If a man wants to command respect among other men, being strong and independent will go a very long way and serve them well in life.

[dynamicyandere]

Someone may not be the strongest*

[dynamicyandere]

Thanks for the MHO. 🙂

[RedStealthOperative]

There's so much pressure on men to be the breadwinner, have things kept together mentally and be a rock for everyone.

I've heard it said that there's unconditional love for women and children in society, but a man's worth is generally determined by his ability to provide. I think if we fix the societal pressures towards men to be so great, we would garner more of the desired outcome expected of a fully grown, independent male figure.

Just my two cents.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Same as with the women question - personally, yeah.

Not because of social norms, but because being able to be your own person requires strength and independence.

But some people want to be a househusband and be codependent. If they can find a partner who wants to accommodate that, perfect. But it ain't me.

I think it's... Not ideal... Maybe shame is too strong a word. It's not ideal for anyone to not have strength or independence. But again, I didn't live a life where I could depend on many people. I'm utterly uncomfortable with not being independent.

Not everyone will feel the same way, though.

[EllaNella]

indepence is an important trait for everyone, not just men
strenght depends on how you define it i guess

[Oigit]

Yes and the same can be said for women. Frankly I have no time for weak and needy people. Because myself and several others I know have been trough a lot and refuse to depend on anyone else to get what we want and need. So it's past time to burn down all the safe spaces and force people to depend on themselves.

[woman_2004]

A man …is the head of the house. The leader of his family. His wife’s knight, provider and king. 🤴


It is shameful if he’s not those things.

[Blackcupcake]

not necessarily shameful… it just depends on the reasons. if he’s just lazy then that sure is a turnoff. if he has a disability that makes him not able to be strong and independent then that’s fully understandable.

[Anonymous]

"I dare do all that I may become a man; who dares do more is none". -Macbeth

Understand?
A man should always remember that he is a man and act accordingly. Shameful? I wouldn't say shameful. I think every man should live up to his God given capabilities. But that is not for anyone to determine but him. A man just is.

[Anonymous]

Being "strong and independent" is something women, and society as a whole, value very highly in men. And yes, they shame them for it relentlessly. Just try Googling "shortage of marriageable men" and see all the hits yo get. But even without all the ubiquitous criticism, all a man needs to do to know he is a "loser" is try to find a long-term girlfriend of wife when he is not financially independent or is emotionally weak.

[Guy13]

Sad…either some battle Ax feminist or a train 🚂 wreck worse than you are ahead…will some drop him a testosterone pill 💊 in his Zinfandel?…make that 2💊💊.

[exitseven]

yes, guys are supposed to be strong and independent. Guys do not need to be muscular to be independent. Lots of people that can think for themselves are not physical specimens.

[ChrisMaster69]

Nope not at all.

Nothing wrong with it.

there is too much shaming.

there can be multiple reasons why a guy might be like that.

[Vendela]

I view it as shameful for anyone to be weak and dependent. Minus the elderly, children, and mentally ill people that is.

[idkIoI]

Why exclude mentally ill?

[Vendela]

Maybe because they literally have a handicap? Just because you can't always see it with your eyes straight away doesn't mean they're not handicapped.

[JakeS00]

Not shameful. I don't understand why everything is deemed shameful. They haven't tapped into being that because of many reasons.

[Table4YTwo]

i find it shameful that women can say such things and then go "But i want a man to support me" fucking hypocrites

[Kereology]

Yes, get a job and get your own place. Once you do that, no one can judge you.

[AssholeNumberOne]

No. A person should never be shamed for not conforming to gender stereotypes.

[007kingifrit]

men and women are supposed to depend on eachother, nobody is really independent

[EnglishEuropean]

No, because they might suffer from a congenital disorder. In which case they can't be blamed for it.

[Flower7]

Yeah, that’s pretty lame.

[Blackcosmo]

No. They just don't need to be cowards or selfish.

[JosyJosy]

Not as long as he learns, we all have to.

[Fuentes]

Are we supposed to be nancy's?

[bamesjond0069]

Yes. Thats a mans role.