I find this amusing because he sounds exactly like a woman when saying this. What I mean by that is, he is pandering to women who have no understanding of men at all. Men do talk about feelings, women ignore them. Then they talk more and women shout them down. Dr. Warren Farrell had a convention were they were discussing male suicide and Feminists not only protested this event but called in a bomb threat and pulled the fire alarm to prevent men from talking about this. When men point out that hey, they commit suicide at much higher rates, women chime in that it doesn't matter because women make the "attempt"(not really) more then men do.
Then men point out that hey, the laws are so completley skewed in womens favor that during divorce a man has everything taken from him and he has no recourse, his own children are taken from him and used to extort money from him and his life crumbles. Then when men point out that this happens and male suicide rates double after divorce, women tell them that its their fault and that they are clearly unstable and don't deserve to have their children to begin with because they are so emotionally unstable when having their entire life destroyed simply because a woman decided to do so, and having his children taken from him.
Men have pointed out that they are treated like a paycheck by women and women tell them that they are deadbeats if they don't keep shelling out money, hence 80% of domestic spending being done by women despite them being responsible for only about 30% of domestic earnings. Then when men point out that hey, male suicide doubles after retirement because of the work demands placed on them that cause them to be stuck working their entire life away were they don't have friends or hobbies and barely got to see their families because they were expected to provide everything to every one completely selflessly while also being told they don't do nearly enough by women, and women bitch and moan about it.
When men try to express themselves women attack them regularly and if the issue is related to women its even worse where the man will be told he is worhtless, an incel, that he is just bitter and thats why he should allow women to treat him like shit because apparently his only value is in what he can provide women so he better shape the fuck up or she will abandon him.
Now look at suicides and wonder to yourself why male suicides seemed to increase along side feminism. Also ask yourself why women hate men expressing themselves yet demand they express themselves but then turn around and punish them every time they have something to say. This has nothing to do with men bottling up their emotions, this has everything to do with society and especially women forcing them to ignore their feelings because they only see them as things instead of people (hence 80% of suicides being male and 80% of homeless being male and 97% of workplace accidents and deaths being male and 98% of combat deaths both military and civilian being male etc. etc. etc.).
Aside from that condescending comment about him sounding like a woman, you do make some good points. People DO need to listen to men’s issues. Men aren’t things, ie just our providers and protectors, they’re our partners.
When you sound like a woman who is completely and totally incappable of acknowledging their role in how things are, yeah thats a bad thing. When you intentionally mislead people and place the blame on others when they don't deserve it, yes thats a bad thing.
Also your statement would have had more weight if you yourself didn't see being male as a bad thing because again, the statement itself implies that and you yourself have argued this on multiple occasions (toxic masculinity (but completely refusal to even suggest that women could in fact also have negative traits associated with femininity).
So again, he sounds like all the women who have created this problem and silenced men who try to speak out about it (because most women refuse to accept responisibility for their part in this despite raising men and by extension instilling these traits into them, choosing men and by extension what traits are most likely to result in being selected as a mate, and by actively shutting down men.).
Yet you personally have said the exact opposite before. As for being Macho, I don't know what you mean by it but chances are its stereotypical and inaccurate.
Being macho means displaying aggressive pride in one’s masculinity. Macho men are more likely to neglect their physical and mental health, be unhappier than gentlemanly/caring men, engage in unhealthy and risky behavior like drinking and driving too fast. They are also unfavorable when it comes to maintaining long term partnerships.
Yeah, thats incorrect. Yet another woman talking about how being a man is bad and how all men should act more feminine (but then bitch and moan that men trying to communicate their problems that they have is "toxic masculinity"). Males are different then women and the fact that you think that them being different makes them inherently bad and toxic is why so many men have issues, its not them its you.
There’s data to support the points I listed previously. But go ahead and ignore the advice of professionals who have studied gender dynamics and those who actually have long term success with the opposite sex, it’s not like you haven’t done that before.
No their isn't. Opinions sure, but not data. We know for an aboslute fact that men are different from women. We know that hurting men because they don't act like women as you are proposing doesn't help things either. Now if you want to pretend like reality doesn't exist go for it, but you will be wrong. I've listed off so many different sources for my claims before and you don't look at them so at this point I'm not going to even try. I can't stop you from being a sexist man hater, I can't. All I can do is hope you don't have any male offspring because they don't deserve the suffering you will inflict upon them.
Sure you have, you have stated that men have to be like women, you have stated that men acting like men is bad (here and other places). This is just a fact, you hate men you always have, always will and this is why suicide rates for men have steadily increased since the seventies when more and more women were force fed this feminist bullshit that claimes men are evil and women are perpetual victims of evil men. That men being stoic and reserved with their emotions is the same as them repressing them (those are two very different things (one acknowledges them and deals with them in an appropriate manner the other denies them and buries them)). I went along the rise of the "toxic masculinity" ideas, ones you yourself have spouted off about on more then one occasion. Again, this is fact, take it or leave it at this point I don't care.
If I hated men, I wouldn’t have a 13 year long marriage with one. But I do. I wouldn’t have made it my mission to help men and women better relate to one another. But I do. I wouldn’t encourage partnership over dying along or remaining a forever bachelorette, but I do.
I’m a relationship consultant. I call on women to qualify men more strictly, and I question certain behavior... and lower quality men don’t like it. Feminists also don’t like it because I encourage women to be more strategic about who women sleep with. I understand they don’t like it but I believe there is validity in calling certain behavior out for the bs that it is.
I recently wrote a mytake about excellent male dating coaches I think men would be wise to listen to and model after. Hi into my profile and check it out. These are the type of men I love. These are the type of men I respect.
You do hate men. You can claim to be a relationship consultant all you want, but if your unwilling to listen to men and see their side of things (as you have shown not just here but any every other encounter we have ever had), then you don't respect men, you don't care about them. Sure your married, so what? That is a rather meaningless statement, plenty of women are married who despise their husbands. Hell my grandfather was married to a woman for longer then that and now he lives with a man, so again that as a measurable metric of what you think about men is rather meaningless.
The fact is you hate men, you want men to stop being men, you want men to act in a way that YOU think they should act. You don't listen to them because you don't care. I'm sorry but this is the facts and you can lie to yourself all you want but you cannot lie to me.
So again, telling men how they should act think and feel regardless of what those men want and what those men say and what those men feel, is not caring about them, its hating them. Its kind of like a man saying he loves his wife the way she is and thats why he demands she change everything about herself and get plastic surgery and get new hobbies etc. etc. Obviously its bullshit.
No, not really. Do you seriously think you cannot know some one based upon what they themselves tell you? I mean your hear trying to proclaim you know all men, that you know me and that we should all listen to you about how WE should behave. I pointed out the flaws in that and now your going to tell me that I can't claim to know who you are based upon your words but you can know me and every man based upon nothing at all? I'm sorry but that is a poor argument.
No. Not at all. In fact I think that this way of thinking is backwards, and I think that it contributes to the problem more than people realise. I think that the people who say these kinds of things also contradict themselves a lot, don't understand the way men really tick, and don't really think deeply about it at all. They hear other people say these things, it seems logical, so they parrot it and that's all.
People especially seem not to be able to understand real cause and effect.
I think that male suicide is really caused by two things: 1) men being emasculated 2) people not really giving a shit about men
Feminists are all for encouraging women to be strong and independent. They think that women should be badasses. Why? Strong and independent people are more likely to do well in life. Yet they want to encourage the opposite with men.
Today it starts as soon as they begin school, right the way up to adulthood. This encouraging boys/men to abandon traditional ideas of masculinity, labelling that "toxic". They raise weak men as a result. Surprise surprise - weak men are less likely to be able to deal with the challenges of life, overly sensitive men are more likely to feel sorry for themselves, and are therefore more likely to kill themselves.
The strange thing is that people don't seem to see that as we've been teaching boys to abandon traditional masculinity more and more, to be more sensitive, that it's unfair to expect them to be strong and that they don't need to be, the more men have killed themselves. This is what I mean by not understanding cause and effect. If any of this were true, as our society became more liberal over time, we should see less male suicide. Instead, since the 70s the male suicide rate has doubled in comparison to female suicide. In the 70s it was 2:1 male:female, now it's 4:1.
Along with this demonisation of masculinity and this push toward androgyny, we have "female correctness". 'The future is female" right? The way women act is viewed as the "correct" way to act. The way women think is the "correct" way to think. The way women deal with problems is the "correct" way to deal with problems. The idea that if only men were more like women the world would be a better place. But we're not the same, at all. We think differently, we deal with problems differently. Trying to get men to think, act and deal with problems the way women do is a failing strategy. This should be clear from all I just said in the above paragraph.
In fact even the idea that men fake macho bullshit is mostly a bullshit idea. It's based on the idea that men and women are the same but men are holding back. They call masculinity a "mask". It's not a mask. We're just not women.
This is why we have so many of these incels and MGTOW now. Normal women don't want to date men who aren't masculine. Those men have been taught that they shouldn't have to be strong, that they should be okay with being weak, that expectations are unfair. The best thing they could do to stop being where they are would be to improve themselves, that would be the strong thing to do. But instead they feel sorry for themselves and complain that the world is unfair, because that's what they've been taught to do. Women can do that, and it works. Feminism is all about that. It doesn't work for men.
Men's problems are also not taken seriously anyway. At least the ones men care about. Feminists claim to care about men, but they only care about things like little boys playing with dolls, men wearing make up, men being stay at home husbands, men crying a lot. Anything that has to do with going against traditional masculinity. Most men don't give a shit about these things. They care more about divorce law, child custody/father's rights, how female on make abuse is dealt with, unfairness in courts. But those aren't female correct, so those things are left to the MRAs, and because they're not female correct they're labelled misogynists.
These feminists will talk endlessly about this stuff, but when men complain about things they really care about those same women (and male feminists too I guess) are often the first ones to call those men whiners and losers. On one hand they say "express your feelings, show your emotions, be okay with not being okay" and on the other hand they say "what a loser, you're just bitter because you can't get laid. Stop with your victim mentality dude".
I don't think that a victim mentality is a good thing, but if that in itself shows that they don't actually give a shit about men. They give a shit about encouraging men to act like women, and that's all.
I think there are some good things about traditional masculinity but there are also bad things. For example, we cannot have men thinking they are dominant or heads in the household anymore. That has caused feminism to rise up fast and possibly over correct the balance between men and women. My husbands father was selfish and abusing, and I’m glad he wasn’t in my husbands life. His stepfather came when my husband was 17 and tried to be the strong domineering Christian type and my husband ran away as he should have. His mom didn’t have the influence she needed because she was way too submissive to men. This does need to be corrected, but we need to lift men up as strong but partner with women, not treat women like children.
Well that's the kind of thing that makes me suspicious about feminists who talk about these things. It seems to me that again while some might be well-meaning and they say these things because they genuinely think it's a problem for men, for others it's mainly about bringing men down to raise women up while only pretending that they care about men. I think that's just how they try to sell it to men. Those kinds of people don't care if it affects men negatively, pushing their ideology comes first.
Well if they are sensing emotional pain and holding that in, then yes they should come forward and tell someone how they are feeling. Speaking up about pain, depression, suicidal tendencies is a lot more encouraging than keeping silent about it. Staying silent only hurts you more and doesn't fix the core of the problem. This is why God gave us a tongue/speech, so we can express what our emotions are telling us to others. Lack of communications never helps anyone fix anything cause you can't fix something without acknowledging it.
Yes! Men sometimes think that masculinity is all about hiding their emotions. When it comes to talking about emotions, I think you are "manning up" more if you find the courage to speak about them, even if you think that your friends might ridicule you for it.
"Suicide statistics reveal that women are roughly three times more likely to attempt suicide. Compared to their male counterparts, women show higher rates of suicidal thinking, non-fatal suicidal behavior, and suicide attempts."
"When it comes to mental illness, the sexes are different: Women are more likely to be diagnosed with anxiety or depression, while men tend toward substance abuse or antisocial disorders, according to a new study published by the American Psychological Association.
Published online in APA’s Journal of Abnormal Psychology®, the study looked at the prevalence by gender of different types of common mental illnesses. The researchers also found that women with anxiety disorders are more likely to internalize emotions, which typically results in withdrawal, loneliness and depression. Men, on the other hand, are more likely to externalize emotions, which leads to aggressive, impulsive, coercive and noncompliant behavior, according to the study."
"– The most common mental health problem in women is depression. Twice as many women experience depression in their lifetime than men. Approximately 1 in 9 women 18 and older have had at least one major depressive episode in the past year."
"Compared with men, women are twice as likely to experience PTSD. Women are more likely to have hypervigilance, feel depressed, and have trouble feeling emotions; men are more likely to feel angry and have problems with alcohol or drugs."
"Women are twice as likely as men to experience generalized anxiety disorder or panic disorder."
I don't know, should women start showing their vulnerability and stop faking their "strong independent woman" bullshit?
the reason why guys suck it up and push through is cos of how we are conditioned while growing up... I had a not so pleasant childhood... there were many times during my childhood i wished i either died or someone was able to give me the strength to fight back or i could run away... but being drugged up by an abusive mother, having a violently abusive father both physically and mentally manipulative and abusive to the point where they could convince trained professionals that they were the victims...
i can say from experience that what guys face and what they feel ok with letting out... is very different things... if we let half of what we had building up a lot of us would break completely... and much of that inside us, we have no idea how to release it as it has become a part of us and how we cope if it's gone we feel so relieved that we do not know how to react...
it wasn't until after my 3 attempts of suicide, obviously failed attempts... i actually got help... odly the partner of almost 15 years who had cheated on me (which at the time i didn't know about)... while i was trying to cope with crap at work and my gran dying... and a world of other issues going on at the time... i shut down... then while talking to a shrink i didn't know what to say, who to trust.. i mean i was so used to my parents manipulating people to make me sound like a liar or to make it sound like something in my head... i didn't know but after they got me to open up, i broke down... it felt like i had completely broken and i told them i just didn't want to fight anymore...
and yes there's been days where acting like i'm a rock in order to assure others i'm ok but in reality i'm a cat's hair away from dropping... but hold together cos switching off is less damaging to me than breaking down... the macho shit some guys do though can be a defensive measure
The meme is poorly worded, as is still panders to the "macho" type.
This is a "chicken and the egg" issue, as men will come forward if they actually have a support system. In my experience, it doesn't exist, especially for a severely depressed man, and doubly so if he lacks the (rather significant) funding required for therapy.
Men will begin to come forward once society at large stops villifying them (as I see it). Being called a rapist for being male is significant. Being simply forced to live in an uncomfortable situation and told to "man up" lacks compassion. Men, and social constructs, seem to be devoid of compassion for men.
Some of us will come forward on their own, I especially think the "worthless" and "undesirable" ones do this already, since they often reject the popular definituon of a man. However, they are ridiculed and berated, insults and threats are hurled against them to try shutting them up, and I have seen this from both women and men. The cultural norms need to change in order for men to start being heard.
Ever stop to think it was those men who were being vulnerable but spurned for doing so who were pushed further to the edge? Ever consider that the man feeling less than manly, was pushed closer to the edge? Did you consider that this man not feeling macho or whatever, rather, unworthy, is what had him walk off the edge?
To easily “masculinity” is defaulted to blame for ever negative in the world. Perhaps it is the lack of self dignity, self worth that pushes these same men over the edge. In other words, their lack of feeling “manly” any further.
Feeling worthless is not a “manly”’trait. It is same trait that makes even women successful and walking off the same edge.
Masculinity is not the problem and Mr Haig would know this if he wasn’t busy trying to stir the world into the division he presently is. Which isn’t masculine either. It is just self serving for his own self promotion to make himself appear better than everyone else... the trait of a lesser man. Equivalent to Adolf who felt lessor and stirred the the world too... and who also offed himself in the end. Pathetic.
So what about the REAL MEN, that can show vulnerability, and then, Succeed? The ones that DON'T ACCEPT defeat!! I grew up with what my dad said, and WTF with suicide? I was taught that I would get knocked down, beaten down, depending, but a REAL MAN, STANDS UP, and faces that, and fights it, and OVERCOMES THAT ADVERSITY!! Now, it seems that when life gets 'TOUGH' so many just 'Check-out' and that is BULLSHIT!! WHO gave them the idea that just 'checking out' is a solution? Yeah, I got beaten, and hit, but my dad taught to me FIGHT, and WIN!! There are winners, and Losers, and that is the state of things, and BIOLOGY!!! I fight for everything I have, and never even consider punking out, and suicide!!
@Jack9949 No worries! Shit happens and no harm done!! But what about the question, and my response as the 'me' you know, now? I'm ok with disagreeing, if we do!
I find this question in pore taste.. not cuz I don't support the men's movement... I think a man should be able to open up and v express themselves withought judgment...
What I find in pore taste is how you started with "find true strength" and "stop taking macho bullshit"
It seems obveous that you just want people to agree with your views and your not really asking a question...
If I say I don't agree with you for any reason... it immediately sounds like I'm saying I want men too be week and fake...
So although I agree with men opening up... I think this question is in pore taste cuz your not actually asking anything your forcing your views on others. At least in my opinion
No, I disagree with this sycophant. That sounds eerily similar to Ingsoc’s motto.
What he really means is that men should suppress their masculinity because it’s somehow “harmful” to men. Pure pseudoscientific drivel. How masculine a man chooses to be is none of his business. He’s acting as if masculinity is synonymous with negative traits, when masculinity isn’t synonymous with negative traits (correlation not causation). Even the most masculine men show vulnerability, so what he’s saying is also a false dichotomy.
That sounds good on paper and I agree with that statement, however the problem is society and both genders subconsciously see men as rocks and cannot be vulnerable or show emotion when things get tough because then they are seen as weak and will be shunned by both society and their peers.
This is something I struggle with and have been battling since late last year. I have thought about ending it and even came up with a plan for it, but I always remember that I would have ended life without living it to my fullest potential and true end point. And to the very few that care about me, it makes me feel like shit on the damage I would do to them by carrying out that act.
I was hiding my feelings and considering disappearing, since no matter what I do things always get worse and it's always a dead-end. I talked about this with my fiancée and it didn't get better. She wants to help and won't let me go away, but at the same time it's like I'm under house arrest and can't go anywhere on my own and have to answer regular calls from her. Talking made everything worse, it basically set back everything I was working towards and killed the remaining leeway I had.
So I'd say that talking and being vulnerable can help but only with some kind of people.
Really? Suicide is the thing that's killing most men under 50? I find that hard to believe.
And I don't support this. Like yes if you're suicidal I definitely think you should seek help.
However it almost sounds like he wants men to behave more like girls. I personally think this is what's turning men into soy boys that gets triggered by everything.
I think the idea of toxic masculinity is a bunch of BS. Bottom line is if you're suicidal get help. If you're not then there's no need to be "vulnerable."
Seeking help and showing vulnerability is two different things.
At the end of the day it's the person's choice. It's like how some people continue to eat junk food even tho it's bad for them and end up becoming obese. It's their choice to seek help and follow through.
You think that’s true of all of the rapists, murderers, pedophiles, sociopaths, narcissists, people with things like schizophrenia and bipolar? It’s not their choice. It’s their responsibility. Or else the court system will eventually deal with them as they see fit and they should.
I have been around enough people with depression in professional and in personal relationships... who thought it was fine to just ignore their issues and it created disaster. I no longer surround myself with those who are unwilling to put forth an effort. No one has to be perfect, but if I see them making no effort, I will not tolerate being around them because I know the havoc it can cause on everyone they come in contact with.
I’m saying that a large majority of crime, abuse, and toxic relationships are connected to untreated mental health issues and past trauma that has been neglected. That goes for everyone, but men are more likely to neglect their issues in the professional way that would be required to properly heal. Some attempt natural practices and some succeed with that, but I don’t think enough do.
I always acted how I wanted to in respect to, if I wanted to cry then I do so without regard towards looking less “manly.” I pet and cuddle dogs, but at the same time I love fighting until I’m bloody in the face and dying.
There’s a duality I share.
I think most men are actually the same as me, but somehow we’re led to believe otherwise.
By the way, men die from suicide MORE than women because men actually choose methods that are guaranteed to kill them on the spot.
Women attempt it more, but choose less horrible methods because they want to preserve their looks even when they’re killing them selves.
Men don’t care for such things when they’re killing themselves
does he mention how people treat us after we show our vulnerability?
if you say 'awww what a lovely kitten' some idiot came up and call you fag. so you stop showing that you love kittens.. or when you cry.. people do mock you.. when you do those things.. you end up having more problems then you winge about. its not in our best interest to show weakness. because whenever people see man having hard time.. they just mock.. or doesn't even care..
only woman have that privilage. when some girl cries on the street.. there will be some couple guys go on and try to solve what ever she has as problem..
if you do that as a man.. people will just walk pass you while taking video of you to mock later..
Now this question is interesting. It essentially assumes a correlation between forced to be macho and male suicide. However, in this day and age gender fluidity is at an all time high for acceptance so if anything I think there's a reverse correlation. Social media and other new inventions have revolutionized social hierarchies and I think that they have actually been found to increase depression and suicide not just in men.
The Meyers-Briggs personality test has 16 personality types and 8 of them have the feeling trait. Their studies have found that men and women can have all 16 of these personalities equally. Essentially what that means is for the feeling vs thinking trait specifically men are just as likely to be feeling as women are to be thinking.
Take care, Myerr-Briggs is very trendy those days, INTJ speaking^^ but that's actually a very advanced Barnum Effect, this is pseudo-science (coming from Carl Jung's psychoanalysis), just less innacurate than most woo, yet there exist scientific psychology tests that aren't so trendy but actually used clinically, like the Big 5. In MBTI, only Introversion and Extraversion are scientifically used concepts, the rest is barnum effect, so that means something, can even be accurate, but also misleading.
Other than that social medias are not making suicide less patriarcal in essence, it just releases backlash: more people are escaping strict gender roles, most young generations are deconstructing themselves faster than previous ones, and we are free on one side to be how we feel and express feelings, emotions, identity, gender; on the other side, "when the old world is dying, and the new world takes time to appear, is when the monsters arrive" that's more or less a Gramsci's quote, we are living under peak neoliberal alienation, loss of all meanings, fear of the future, crypto-facsism peaking again. We still suicide because the pressure is too high, because work is alienating, because debt, because violence, because we've not been accepted in our new identities and faced prejudice one too much time, or didn't have access to housing as queer/marginalized/poor people, not so different than white-male-poor-people that didn't deconstruct, what else than the patriarchy can be laughing evily while holding all these chains together, it's always about competing, beating others, climbing the ladder, deny our existence to a higher power, don't show feeling, don't be yourself, be dead inside till dead outside, survival of the fit enough. It's just the way it applies now, its backlash for us trying to say this once we wanna get rid of it for good, and we will at the end!
Why would I intentionally show weakness? So she can use it against me if I piss her off? So she can lose her attraction & respect for me?
Hard pass.
Everytime I have tried to be vulnerable it has bit me in the ass, not even just in sexual relationships.
"The more you cry, the less I care" = my "loved ones" when I was young.
Fine, I won't at all! I'll just deal with any troubles in private, because nobody *actually* cares about *MY* feelings. I live or die mentally by my own strength of will.
And you know what? I've grown to like it. I feel a lot less than I used to and thus have a lot less emotional turmoil. Other people who know me irl just see graceful calm almost all the time.
Bingo. Learning to process thingss internally without the need to get another person involved is EMPOWERING. It enables you to rest assured you can handle whatever comes along.
Yes, as long as you don't try to pressure people into being someone they don't want to be. Some men don't want to express their emotions for no other reason than just not finding it productive. That's the way I feel at least. It has nothing to do with "faking macho bullshit" or being afraid of looking weak, I just don't see the point in doing so. If something is making me sad, I don't want to talk about how it makes me feel, I want to talk about how to fix the problem! Otherwise, it's just a waste of time. The problem is still gonna be there after I've talked about my feelings. It's just pointless to me.
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No, because it's women's demand that men show vulnerability which made men fall into it. A lot of masculinity is overcoming or minimizing hardship's emotional toll and women like it -- which makes men happy in turn and they are less likely to off themselves. When women mistakenly ask for vulnerability, men open themselves up to it and bear in in front of women, which leads to rejection, depression, and offing yourself. The whole problem is that they're *not* toughing it out anymore. It would be wonderful if women were interested in true emotionality and vulnerability in men, but they aren't, it makes them uncomfortable. They mistake the level of vulnerability they want to see for "true" vulnerability. But true vulnerability, is desperation, weakness, hopelessness, fury, anguish. They don't want to see that shit. They want a sprinkling of vulnerability to taste -- not the full dose.
I’ve only had issues with men who had a problem with these things. It was only when I married the man who showed his emotions and vulnerability that I had a long lasting success.
I know that some men pretend to be extra tough but those people are idiots. That being said, those aren't the guys who are committing suicide. Men commit suicide for other reasons, mostly work or finance related, other times love and relationship issues. These are the usual causes of mental pain for men.
I don't see how being soft and showing weakness wills solve the problem? what so that more people have the chance to hurt you? WHat a load of bollocks. Who comes up with this bs anyway, when a man shows emotions he just gets attacked or ignored. No one cares. Women lose attraction for you. Other people think of you as a burden instead of someone reliable. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar and doesn't live in the real world. If you have good friends then you can share your problems with them, same if you have supportive parents. But expecting comfort from society at large is laughable. We do not have p**sy privilege we need to understand that.
Yet go anywhere on that same site and u will find many that claim this but also use it as a weapon on others male and female even when it just comes to relationships I got so lucky finding a women that I could open upto but this is something many of my friends don't have the luxury
There was a lot less suicides when men were even more masculine in the past. Opening up never helped anyone. Every time I opened up or made myself vulnerable it back fired on me big time. Men are supposed to be stoic.
Men need to Man Up and realize they can take control of their destiny, by working hard, making the right choices, and not listening to women about feelings and such.
If you don’t want to listen to women’s feelings that’s fine, but just know that there are consequences to that mentality and women don’t have to put up with you either.
You misunderstood. Women when they ask men to open up is a bad thing, they just want leverage and to see a man weak. Women need their feelings heard. Men dont.
How is that violent? I just said he probably agrees with you on everything (Which is a simpy thing to do) haha
how often does your husband "Make himself vulnerable" ? I bet not much. He might tell you his problems, but he has a game-plan to solve them. Its not about macho-bullshit, its about being a man. A strong man just focuses on overcoming problems. not opening up about it.
Women think they want an emotional man, but that kinda of guy sucks!
It’s not my intention to discredit your point, it’s just that I don’t see it as black and white as you seem to. Men can still be men while being vulnerable when the time is necessary. That doesn’t mean he’s constantly sobbing and being weak. It just means he’s human. He can still get himself together and find a solution.
Yes, this is one of the biggest problems in our society and I'm so glad someone brought it up. Women are always told it's okay to cry, but men get teased and made fun of for sharing their emotions, we have shit too ladies. We are forced to bottle that up and keep it in and it kills us inside, and that's a societal stigma that needs to change. Talking shit out is absolutely needed and we aren't allowed to do that according to society. Its ridiculous, and we need to acknowledge that and fix it.
