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Don't dip out right away, but this is gonna come off as "it's the goddamn feminists" at first.
The last decade has seen politics and media take up the image of female empowerment and prioritize it above most other things. Consequentially, people who instead moderate "girl power" with other ideologies tend to lose their platform or fall out of the spotlight. It's a troubling position, because anyone who might want to discuss the hyperbolic nature of this movement today could find themselves on a slippery slope to being cancelled. Align your question with that extreme environment, and we start to see the issue unfold.
The most-publicized message for absolute goodness in the western world today touts women as heroic and infallible. The evidence for that claim is... because they're women.
We've now seen too much of a good thing. Encouraging women that they can live how they want to is right and just. Everyone one of us is deserved autonomy and we should be proud of our society for accomplishing that. Today, though, folks are not trying to stop the pendulum. They are pushing it ever farther the other direction. We've blown past the idea that individual men have gotten away with doing bad things and we're now accosting all men with a reputation as predators and abusers. It's a bit unsettling how unwilling we are to now offer the benefit of doubt to our men and boys. It seems greater numbers of people are willing to just believe men are bad, and the way to fix them is to stop them from being men.
You're not wrong. Feminizing boys and men is honestly the objective. We're only getting to this point because whenever a man tries to fight back, he's beaten down as being part of the patriarchy. This preference for women is having dyer affects on our youth. Grade school education disproportionately favors girls. Boys get worse grades, are more likely to be reprimanded, and are disciplined more severely for competitive character traits which are quickly being phased out. Rather than having winners and losers determined by their efforts, educators are striving to equalize everyone's abilities by disarming the value of, or completely eliminating, victory. Place that approach into a world which already treats boys as defective. Now our children understand that "girls are better than boys" and boys don't even have the opportunity to prove otherwise.
One might think people grow out of this, but men are falling farther and farther behind women in higher ed. You might be surprised, given that we see new campaigns to promote women into STEM fields and management positions, but women are surging past their male colleagues. Men are failing in droves, but there's no acceptable movement, or serious concern present to help them. The world's too focused on girl power to worry about men.
What you might not see is the secondary features. Yes many boys and men are starting to transition into women in appearance and behavior, but I'd wager they are the minority being catapulted into the stars. For the most part, you might find men who don't want to become women retreating into other lifestyles which you can't see. Whether they live only for themselves, live online in chatrooms or as gamers, or get sucked into forums and ideologies which might be harmful, the result is they aren't present for you to view or experience. Culture, education, and politics in the west have told masculine men to change or go away.
We're not all changing, we just don't see a world which wants or welcomes us.
I think the ultimate answer is because Satan is influencing these things.
Scripture says this:
“And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—”
Ephesians 2:1-2 ESV
The “prince of the power of the air” is another name for Satan. In this scripture we see that Satan works in the sons of disobedience (those who are not born again), meaning he supernaturally influences them to sin and do his bidding. Satan hates God and is clearly at war with God. Satan promotes everything that is opposite to God’s decrees.
God said he alone is to be worshiped, Satan instead wants himself to be God and to be worshiped. God says homosexuality is and abomination, but Satan has been working overtime to influence more people to be gay and to create a culture which embraces homosexuality. God said transvestitism, transsexuality, abortion, fornication, the elimination of sovereign nations and a one world government, and euthanasia are all sins and the exact opposite of what God commanded, yet we see these things zealously promoted in our culture today, particularly from people who are left wing politically.
What we see with men today is just another thing in a long list of items that is exactly the opposite of what God commanded or how he created things to work that is embraced by our culture.
God said this:
“Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created.”
Genesis 5:2 ESV
God created them male and female. 2 distinctly different beings created for different roles and purposes by God. Each created in God’s image and each distinct and unique from the other in respect to characteristics of their genders. Yet today we see the deliberate attempts to get men to be more like women and fill the roles God created women for and likewise we see the push for women to act like men and preform the tasks men were created for. Just another set of things Satan is promoting that is exactly opposite of what God decrees.
How is this done? By the continual bashing of masculine traits. By creating a society that is gynocentric. By demeaning men in movies and TV shows and commercials as helpless dopes who can’t figure out how to put their own socks on without women having to tell them how. We bash men as perverts for men having a higher sex drive in most cases than women and for men seeming to place higher value on sex than women. We insert female influence into everything. Anything that’s masculine in nature we try to inject femininity into. In short we empower women to the max and weaken and disempower men to the max. We eliminate traditional gender roles. All of this is just more schemes of Satan to promote the opposite of what God commands.
@Exterminatore Thank you, couldn’t agree more
@kqueen
No. I’m saying men acting more like women than men is the result of Satan’s influence.
I'm not religious , but strongly agree.
@FatherJack
Interesting. You agree, but are not religious? May I ask why you agree even though you’re not religious? I do not think I’ve ever met a person who is not religious agree with a Biblical perspective, especially regarding such a matter. Thank you for your input.
@idkyimhere46
Then don’t go on the internet if we bother you. I’m sick of Woke culture people. Guess what? I don’t go where they are.
@--Sam--
My suggestions would be at church or online Christian dating sites. You can also use secular sites and set the search criteria in such a way as it will weed out more of the most of the non Christians. Eharmony works great for that and is where I met my wife, who is also a Christian.
If you are not specifically seeking a Christian but someone who is decent person and traditional and of course manly there are many places to find the type of man you’re looking for. As always the internet is an option. It’s becoming very difficult to find this type of man as the younger generations care nothing for God, and care nothing for good morals and decency…all while the younger generations of men run around wearing man buns, wearing skinny jeans, and driving a Toyota Prius. They drink their soy lattes and drink Mikes hard lemonade because they can’t tolerate beer all of which they pay for from their earnings at minimum wage jobs while still living at mommies when they’re 28 years old.
Sorry, I just had to get that out of my system. I see so much of this stuff and it makes me want to puke.
Anyway, places to find men NOT like the type I just mentioned. Consider joining a hiking club or any type of club you have interest in that both genders participate in. Maybe join a volunteer fire hall if you have one near you. Lot of down to earth old school masculine men in such a place. Ultimately it’s the core values of the person and their personality that you’re looking for.
I can probably come up with a lot more ideas as to where you may find such a man if you tell me more about what type of man you’re looking for.
Feel free to PM me if you’d like to discuss further.
@ Iknow best.
Do you really think listening to Slayer will make you gay? If so I’d be the biggest queer out there. I’m a metal head also. In fact all I listen to is metal.
Do you really think Satan is using music to make people gay?
In fact your question is so silly and ignorant I almost refused to answer it.
Scripture says this:
“And the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time, and said to him, “To you I will give all this authority and their glory, for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will. If you, then, will worship me, it will all be yours.””
Luke 4:5-7 ESV
Do you think it would be much of a temptation to offer dominion over the world to Jesus if Satan didn’t have the power to grant it? Like Jesus, God’s son who has been to heaven and interacted with God and angels could have been fooled?
Satan however can not touch those who belong to God in any way without God’s permission. Those on this earth who do not belong to God, belong to Satan. There is no middle ground.
“You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
John 8:44
The type of influence I’m referring to is not for example of the nature of how Black Sabbath influenced like almost every metal band ever. It is a supernatural manipulation of the mind. Satan has full access to his servants.
“For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.”
Ephesians 6:12 ESV
Man is not the Christians real enemy. They’re just pawns for Satan. When I say influence I mean direct prompting. I mean the use of telepathic messages to do his bidding.
I think it's part of a corporate agenda.
If men become like women, and women become like men... two incomes are required to sustain a household, and childcare must be outsourced to someone you pay.
What does that mean? More energy devoted to corporate interests and less to your immediate family.
If men are expected to look like women, again, corporate interests win. Men waxing, tanning, getting their eyebrows shaped... that's all money to corporations which never used to go there.
Also, the more effeminate men get, the more easily they are dominated by corporations. The less testosterone they have, the less likely they are to say "fuck you" to a crappy boss, and go start their own business or build a farm offgrid.
Testosterone levels in the average 20 year old man are close to the testosterone levels of a 60 year old man in the 70s. The rates are plummeting. It's scary.
It also feeds on itself. Once a man becomes feminized and less 'red blooded', he's less in touch with his 'hunter/predator' aspects... he then buys into things like the vegan agenda... so he starts eating soy burgers and soy milk, which are full of phyto-estrogens which make him even more effete.
The more effete he becomes, the more he shirks his responsibilities at home, and women feel like they need to shoulder the masculine responsibilities. This makes women exhausted and angry. Domestic bickering and unease is the result, and sexual connections diminish. Less sex also equals less testosterone.
Men in the past would have been driven to find a way to solve their problems in order to get sex (because their sex drive was typically higher)... but now they can just wank off to porn so they don't bother.
It's a lot of factors. But corporations win out of all of this.
@Guffrus Incorrect. Read the meta studies done by Shanna Swan & team.
Well that is easier said than done, sure there are a million hits for some asshole trying to sell a book and alarmist media outlets trying to sell stories, as for actual data, that is harder to come by.
While it seems true to say that levels are in decline the claim that there are 60 year olds with more T than 20 year olds is frankly absurd and not supported by any of the data that i can see.
@Guffrus Dude. If you can't be arsed to consult the extensive research (which I have), then you are not in a position to offer any qualified opinion here.
The data is there, you just literally said you can't be bothered to look at it.
@NicoletteXO lol
Im not sure why you think I am supposed to take you seriously when you act like this.
If you think you have something worthwhile that I can't find, you just link it, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Claiming to have access to information which proves your are right but its a secret doesn't improve your position or weaken mine it just makes you look like an assclown.
I can't even begin to imagine how you managed to get to 'If i can't be bothered' I looked, for quite a while actually, but when i search the subject i dont get that person and when i search that person all i get is as i have already stated a lot bullshit about some asshole selling a book.
@Sam2021 No, she didn't.
You people are fucking morons.
Such a lazy fuck 🙄
Lol this is my 2nd day on this app and it's full of low IQ MAGAts and religious nut jobs. Like @NicoletteXO here
Ah yes, the only one in the conversation who actually provides reference to scientific research is the ‘low IQ religious nut’… I see logic is not your forte.
Most women claim they don’t like those types of men anymore when obviously most women do. Feminism has ruined masculinity. That’s why. Thanks feminists
Yeah, I used to be one but then I realized it’s bullshit
So you're both stay at home wives/mothers?
You can't advocate for traditionalism and also say that women shouldn't be traditional lmao
Are you stupid? Where are we “advocating” for traditionalism? She asked a question, I answered it. Also, just because someone is against something doesn’t mean their for something else.
@lovelyhoneybones my sentiments exactly
@lovelyhoneybones Dropping those truthbombs again. Preach!
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Short answer? Because women want that.
Basically, as with anything subject to a competitive pressure the group will conform to the expectations they are held to. Since men to a large degree want to present themselves in a pleasant way to women be it in a romantic pursuit or just for social interaction they constantly pursue what women want in them. Of course this is oversimplified since reality is a lot more muddy but it still holds true at the end of the day.
Women have moved away from wanting the "masculinity/powerful" man as you call it so the pressure on men instead become to use skincare, pluck their eyebrows etc.. In perhaps a few decades the fashion will have moved on and men will be expected to look differently so who knows what happens then. Its just how things are and have always been.
This has resulted in all sorts of funny standards of beauty over the year ranging from obesity being attractive or whatever the hell this is:

Point is that fashion rarely makes sense and is honestly just a surface level difference. People are still people underneath whatever makeup or silly behavior they adopt. Just because you think they act more "masculine" (whatever that means) dont really mean they are any different as people, its basically as significant as changing your hairstyle.
I understand that it’s all coming from what women are saying, but why men are submitting! Men in the past wouldn’t change because of women, men in today’s society are just so weak, why not to stand up against the evil feminism that is destroying literally everything
I’m imagining if there was a movement of men against all the feminism shit
Correction, women CLAIM they want that.
@BrosephBrostar Agree with you man, they say the want the feminine soft man that wears his heart on his sleeve, while at the same time casing down masculine men (Chad or Tyrone).
Sorry to say but this has nothing to do with being "soft" or feminism or "men giving in". After all, the WHOLE reason men adopted the "Manly" stereotype you remember was because of them giving into what women want in the first place. It was not because they where any stronger or manlier as individuals and it somehow reflected in their appearance and behavior.
So why are women prioritizing "effeminate men" now? Not going to say I know the whole reason since you could probably write several scientific papers on it but a fundamental reason is probably because it takes time and effort to accomplish which demonstrates that they can take care of themselves and put a lot of thought into how they look.
@Gt68hgt Here you are again with your same ole uninformed liberal spewing dyke ass
@Gt68hgt you're some kind of obsessed with pumping an ass. Is it some kind of fetish or what?
@Gt68hgt One thing I haven't seen, is your opinion down with the ladies who know what's goin on around them. Sure is funny you got all kinds of names up here in the men's comments but when it comes to explaining or giving your opinion it's barren. Kinda like you I guess. Instead of name calling and that bullshit, let's read your opinion, tell us how to fix the world.
I think your wrong. Plucking eyebrows and scincare routine isn't a sign of femininity. It's the fattening of or society, most men don't do any physical labor anymore, plus within the popular culture, most masculine traits have been categorized as toxic. Along with that, there has been a movement to deter the aggression of men. The reality is that men changed themselves based on what women at the time deem important in a mate. For example, if women value sensitivity, hygiene and emotions. More men will showcase those traits to impress women. The opposite as well. Also something very few people mention. There has been a drastic lowering of sperm count and testosterone in men since the 1970s. This is due to the amount of plastics in our everyday life that contain estrogen mimicking compounds that lower testosterone. Look it up. It's a very really threat to human civilization and has been noticed across all civilizations. Mostly in western cultures. But now, you can sit n room, cry about how life isn't fair and is detering men. Blah blah blah. Or you can get your shit together and tackle this problem. Remember, being a man isn't about your testerone levels, how much weight you lift or how you dress. It's about how you handle adversity!! Can look life in the eye after they have been beating your ass for 11 rounds and still think you can knock em out in the 12th? GO FUCKING GET SOME!!! Be the monster you were meant to be!!! Don't let anybody stop you! You can only take care of yourself and those close to you!! So don't worry about society and make yourself the best man you can be. Don't cry in the corner! Spit in their fucking face and tell them to eat shit!!
Men have been so emasculated by women that's what we have evolved into. We are creatures of evolution. The generation of those type of men is dwindling fast. It's passed down generation to generation. Mostly from single mothers to son, not father to son. Nobody has the strength and courage to stick to anything they start, like marriage. OH, hurt my feelings, I'm gonna divorce him, now take most of his money, leaving barely enough to survive. Then do your best to limit how much time he spends with them. He prob works 2 jobs just to pay support (which he should) so she only has to work part-time. Then whatever you need to do to limit the rest of his time. Making sure you make the kids hate him. While you get every available assistance. Then when he's totally done and out make sure you kick him and get his parental rights removed. While you find some rich sucker to start the process over. If you want to really know the reason take a look at feminism. It's a sad time to be a straight white man. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers ladies but take a good look at society and let's change some things.
@Ksiw3fiss I'm not blaming women as much as the legal system that lets them get away with the things they do and say. Outright lying in court with no repercussions when they're proven wrong in the next sentence. And I'm not saying that all father's don't need a kick in the ass, first for not being more careful while playing the field, second not fulfilling their rightful duties even if they don't want to be a father. But there a a lot of guys and their families that want to be father's, uncles, grandparents that get shafted by the system. There is a lot of things that we'll never get to experience and enjoy and we'll never get any of that time back. And as to your fag response, I can tell you're some kind of liberal. But if you would like to hook up, I'd show you what kind of fag I am.
@Z3uhh75f I see you're into name calling to when you know nothing of the story and have no factual knowledge to base an argument. And who said anything bout whinging about the results. He does what he needs to financially, then gets screwed over by the lying cunt with no repercussions on her part. Does everything he can to get the time he is supposedly he's been ordered to by the court and she can still fuck him over easily if she decides that she doesn't want him to have the child. Caught her in lies several times, in court and nothing. I'm guessing you're a whore that'll ride the system till the end, probably been screwing over some nice guy that you've trapped with some sweet talk and a trashed out, disease ridden twat, that an endless amount of guys have dumped their loads in like a dumpster.
@Z3uhh75f I can site 2 instances that directly involve me, 2of3 of my sons. I had a friend, now deceased, found out he had a daughter, was very very happy, found out when she was 6yrs old that he was the father. He also found out that he was the 9th guy tested for paternity, and on top of that they slapped him with 6yrs of back child support that he would of happily paid to be with her for any amount of time. He worked fulltime, did side jobs, helped me when I needed help and I helped him remodel his house. He finally had his past due down to under $8000. He was happy because he thought he could never have kids, the mother was kind in the beginning but it slowly got worse. He continued to pay back, she didn't work. I found him dead on a Saturday morn in his bed 3yrs ago at 45. So there are things going on in this world that people don't understand when they start talking shit. You don't even wanna know bout what my sons have been through, one married 9yrs, the other was with the same girl for 5yrs and had a 1yr old when she left.
I mean... how many of the guy who you actually know in real life pluck their eyebrows and use fancy nigh-creams on their face? I'd be willing to bet that overall the vast majority of the dude's around you are simply not like this.
Now, while I'll admit that it's certainly socially acceptable for a guy to be more 'effeminate' in the way that you're describing (which, to me, is 'whatever')... I'm gonna push back on how much this phenomenon is ACTUALLY a thing that's happening, in the offline world.
I work with nearly exclusively guys. They have different jobs of different kinds. Some more blue-collar, some more white-collar. I must work with upwards of 50 guys. I can't think of any who are like you're describing. I also cannot think of any of the dude's I've known for years who seem to have gotten MORE effeminate as the years have gone by (and this phenomenon has supposedly grown in mainstream popularity).
Some guys have always been like this. And I really don't have strong feelings about that one-way or another. Some places might have a higher-than-average concentration of guys who pluck their eyebrows. But unless you're talking about a dance studio, fashion industry or something like that... I don't think this is really actually happening in real life. No offence. Nothing personal :)
Honestly? It seems like women are their own worst enemies I swear! Men got this way because of what feminists were promoting. Guys didn't just turn up this way randomly. No it's been promoted by the females for decades now. If you want it to change back then at this point its ladies like you who are going to have to fight that narrative. We dont really get much say in how things work anymore. We get canceled or belittled so it's better to just live our lives and look for someone who accepts us under the radar.
I understand what you say and completely agree with you, however why men are giving in to the feminism demands ! Who are even they! This is just too sad to see they are winning for destroying the human race tbh!
@pumpkinspice009 I really dont think women understand HOW MUCH control they've always had over men despite men ended up at the top, top positions. The vast majority were not "patriarchs". You ask why men care? Because men dont have options like women. Men need love too and it's MUCH harder for most to find that love. Most women seem to not find most men attractive. They are EXTREMELY picky on the guy they are with. It could be height, looks, money, personality, but really it comes down to all of those aspects and more. Meanwhile the guy just wants a half decent looking girl who want bicker with him and who just wants to be loved the same as him. Have a look at this. It shows how much influence women have always had over men. Feminists have been the cause of millions of men marching off to their death just to not be shamed by women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEjy1UszV8s
That and sex… try getting sex and marriage without being what women want.
Because feminists MeToo'ed and false sexual-assault-claimed it out of men, to the point being a masculine male means either blocking women out of your life altogether, or being celibate/MGTOW. Blame them for being the disgusting pieces of shit losers that feminists all are.
I mean, that and an entire generation of 90s babies raised to be soyboys by the public education system and a lack of strong male role models (not that I was immune to these obstacles, but I think being born in '86, I just barely escaped that plague of Millennials).
I don't like this mentality. Like all here are blaming toxic masculinity but ever wonder why men still follow that toxic masculinity? Because girls like you will think they are pathetic. Due to people like you this toxicity is still prevelant. What problem do you have with men being themselves? It is their life and they will live it like they wish to. Why are you putting your nose in their lives? Because of this mentality most of the men need to stay strong even though they are broken inside. Like if tomboy girl is acceptable then why aren't a bit feminine men. I'm not hating you or have any intentions of offending you but I want you to understand this. It is sure not your fault that you have this mentality but your fault is that you are still continuing it. I hope you understand what I am saying. I'm not blaming you or anything just trying to make you understand.
You are absolutely right!
There is already 50+ different opinions from guys here. It's a mix, there is the old fashioned men they do still what masculin people think means, and there is the new age because the old is effecting and doing more damage to the today's man, like never say sorry, never learn to take care of their selves and that is why they marry a house wife, then bot spend time woth their kids which is a must to have kids other wise why are they married and so on. I am a mix, old and new, i can be stubborn but i can cook, clean, do grooceries, take care of the garden, groom the beard, take care of my diabetes, my health, work out, check my feet, go to the doctor, doing house chores and be a gentleman that is well dressed.
Imho there were always less maculine men. It wasn't always socially acceptable to express that with fashion, but other not much has changed.
If you see too many men of certain types around, try looking in certain environments.
If you look into historical reenactment groups or larp, you may find bearded men who look into history for their ideals of strength, honor and courage.
If you wanted to more of the stoic intelligent geeky type, look for wargaming clubs.
Such environments tend to have a strong majority of men, all desperate to get a girlfriend who is willing to talk about their favourite subjects, even if she doesn't do the hobby itself.
There's a lot of reasons. Ultimately, as @Exterminatore said, it's Satan's influence. The tools he's used includes two world wars wiping out many of the Men of two consecutive generations, twisting the positive influence of the Suffragette movement into modern man-hating "feminist" agendas and the rise of caricatures of masculinity.
My advice would be find a guy you like and get him to read "Wild at Heart" and "Fathered by God"/"Way of the Wild Heart" by John Eldredge. Those two books will help him find his real masculinity.
I totally agree that men are becoming very feminine nowadays. I think the reason why this is, is because this society has made the people think that masculinity is toxic. So men can't allow themselves to be men anymore because they aren't the providers anymore like in the past, they dont have authority anymore in the house etc. So men are forgetting who they are and what masulinity is, so therefore when they want to attract the oppisite sex they try to beautify themselves with feminine things they find attractive in women, not knowing women are different then men and like masculinity.
On the other hand, women are losing attraction towards masulinity, look at those boyband singers we have today, i find it disguisting how they have become feminine. So i also think the perception of beauty in the eyes of women have changed, so men want to adapt themselves to what women like
Trust me, those are not even women that fall for fag guys, if you’re a masculine one, just stay like that
I rarely read the other replies to a question but I did to this one and LMAO.
Yeah I use skin care, moisturiser, aftershave, various other stuff.
i also have a good wax session.
Not manly?
I’ve seen guys in the Military go begging to borrow hair gel, moisturiser etc, as they have run out.
There is nothing wrong looking after you appearance, in fact it’s what everyone should do.
Yeah this new generation… so effeminate lol, yeah those ones serving in our military, as firemen, policemen, paramedics etc putting themselves in harms way.
what a load of bollox, yeah social media shows stuff but each generation is always called out.
Being too clean shaven is pretty effeminate. I mean I keep my private area properly groomed but I don't go as far as to shave my legs and arms... Being a man clean shaven not facial hair? That's not manly. The military personnel who do that have reason to be fully shaven as do professional swimmers/divers. E got long hair that well taken care of and is just as soft as any females hair. And a nice beard that is well groomed. And I'm some what fit.
@Iknowbestgirls Thank you 👏🏻
Wait... So do most women like unkempt men? o:
As for how they behave, well... I guess to some extent "progressivism" is to blame for that. Society seems to be cracking down on what they call "toxic masculinity," which I can understand somewhat, but their definition of what that is --- it's all over the place.
So now, on one side, you have some guys trying to be sensitive and feminine, and on the other side you have some women **coughcaptainmarvelcough** trying to act manly, and "strong" (some women refusing to shave their pits)... all to appease this broken feminist movement of today.
When US men are willing to put on high heels for women, you know we are 1000% hosed if we actually need to stand up to fight any other country intent on winning a war. Gender politics at it's worst.
https://www.blackhillsfox.com/video/2021/09/11/walk-mile-her-shoes-kicks-off-downtown-rapid-city/
I literally was disgusted watching this, I believe the end is near
Feminism. Feminism encourages men to be more feminine. It condems masculinity In men deeming it as toxic and uplifts excess femininity in men. When men see this they lose the encouragement to embrace their masculinity. Just my opinion.
Totally agree, it’s just sad
Programming. TV and movies glorifiying LGBT. Celebrities pushing it. Kids growing up seeing that don't understand that a man is supposed to be manly. Also single mothers. These women are not to blame but without a father figure around it fucks them up.
Couldn’t agree more with you! It’s like everything is coming together to push all that masculinity and manly features away from men, just sad
Look no further than the new Masters of the Universe. Nonononononononono, trust us, it's not going to be like She-ra, Adam's going to be in every episode! We promise!
Yeah. In flashbacks. Because he's dies.
@pumpkinspice009 I can point out so much programming in this world they did it for 911 they did it for boston bombing, covid and other situations. Trump as President on the SImpsons before he was ever President and if you notice in every show there is an interracial couple and homosexual couple. This is all to get into the minds of the young people so they see all of this as normal. Not saying I got anything against these people just they want to brainwash you so you don't make up your own mind on the issue.
Because guys and girls are like ying and yang. If ying changes it will effect yang as well. There are still men that are powerful and dominant but not all for us are. Maybe you´re looking at the "wrong" men because not all men are equally strong.
We also have our struggles in dailylife so of us show more of that so of us less.
If you know what type of men you look for, make some research where you can find these type of men because they are still around in your area but might be less obvious to be found.
Yeah I became shit and it's good to see there are still women like that thinking like you. Most of men are like that especially in Western society, we don't have that in my country however I see in general of the world being "feminine" became trend these days and most sad thing is women give credits to men like that, they still date them altough these guys don't even deserve to have a woman.
Totally agree
Don't worry, there are still lots of "manly" men. Those lumber jack type of fells. They just arnt on social media as much as the pretty boys.
Cause you know... They don't care about what people think of how they look and don't need attention. Real caveman like guys.
I think both types of ok though.
I agree with you. Maybe because they think that women like that. I think that this is true especially for young ones as they get influenced by media messages. And marketing messages play a big role too. They think that curated appearance is what attract girls and this is sometimes true for young girls.
Older men however, I don't believe are influenced so much and are more authentic.
Hahahahaha you expect traditional men yet you're so unladylike that you would be sent off to a special school to teach you proper manners and etiquette.
https://youtu.be/y2nXLA8gmmo
@Pumpkinspice009 I feel the same exact way! Men have become to effeminate! Where all the muscular hairy guys with beards that ooze masculinity? I like to consider myself quite a masculine guy. And have been disappointed that many woman don't find that attractive any more in fact the like clean shaven dainty guys. I just don't get it...
Yep, and many women only find masculine men to be attractive, don’t change just because some feminists shit would tell you so
I think to me the problem lies within the fact that we can’t recognize people for being themselves.
and we have TOO much separation in society these days. And the covid six feet apart shit didn’t help either.
people end up having a problem with a guy who likes to moisturize in some cases and have all their underlying judgements on that person. Just as much as another group has all their judgements for someone looking like they survive in the wild.
I remember back when for the most part we all got along.
I don't know what’s happened to us as humans.
but knowing this. It’s all a bit sad.
like what you like. But do we HAVE to hate others for not lurking our same shit? Can’t we all just think that’s cool and that we just learned something about each other and move on from there?
I don't know why we have such discourse in our spirits these days.
Why would anyone have a problem with someone that moistruizes? Do you realize how fucking retarded that sounds? That’s like having a problem with someone that flosses and brushes their teeth and gets regular haircuts. Not everyone finds a unibrow and dry, flaking skin appealing the last time I checked.
I get the message, but the delivery is over the top. My point is that going for a gruff look is not an excuse to be unkempt.
@Jintendo18 it doesn’t change the fact that most men don’t moisturize. And think it’s a feminine trait.
Hence the original posters whole thread based discussion we have, and even the picture she included to discuss the kind of effeminate makes she sees as overly sensitive with their mannerisms. Face cream care obviously going to be one of them.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that.
huffpost. com/entry/men-moisturizer-survey_n_4413063/amp
@Jintendo18 anyone quoting a survey or poll might as well just not.
You’re going full try hard mode with this now because for whatever reason the word moisturizer triggered you to some upteenth degree.
Polls and surveys will always be highly inaccurate because you can’t poll the entire world. You only get an insane random number based of an insane random variable of those who showed up for the poll.
Unless your random survey your posting specifically involves all the people here, on original posters thread. Then it’s just kind of not going to hold any weight or gravitate anyone’s opinion, to even be interested in the source material.
From what I see anything masculine gets labeled toxic masculinity and discouraged at all times. Boys get punished for horseplay. They can't talk with each other unless the conversation is examined by a child therapist. Anything a kid likes to do is under a lot of examination, and there's no way for the kid to know if he'll be punished or medicated for it.
Bulldozer parents are a huge issue too. Feel bad for kids now.
Women bitched about them being hairy, smelly blah blah blah. We still exist, I don't pluck my eyebrows, I don't wear high dollar cologne, I shave when I feel like shaving. . Most days I smell like my deodorant
This is just how a man should be, I do agree that feminists are to blame for this
I don't put up with anybody's bullshit, I am who I am and if they don't like it they can go fuck themselves. Don't get me wrong, 99% of the time I smell nice, but I don't dress up particular way because people want me to, I'm a jeans and t-shirt kind of guy and that's never going to change. People should be themselves, not follow the crowd
As you should
Deliberately corrosive Cultural Marxism , pushed and funded by those REALLY in power behind the shadows worldwide & a constant anti-male barrage from the education systems , the BS controlled " media " , while simultaneously indoctrinating girls / women to view human males with disgust & contempt. My now 15 year old daughter confirms the last point , she even strongly criticized the unfair demonization of boys / men aged just 8. This is a huge psychological warfare campaign.
This is a colossal Divide & Maintain Rule push , creating division / hatred & mistrust , plus weak males = no serious future opposition to their plans. My best advice to everyone is ignore the BS lamesteam " media " and think for yourselves. Sadly most allow the " media " & others to think for them.
Yeah you're right they're out to get you lmao. Fking MAGAts
oh no, men are taking care of their skin so they no longer all have horrible skin and dandruff and stuff, and doing some really basic things to look more attractive. Whatever shall we do. This must really be the end of masculinity as we know it. Those damn liberals got what they wanted.
Haha I don’t why grooming is so feminine
Maybe it's plastinators in plastics which are similar to xenoestrogens boys are exposed to due food packaging and micro plastic in environment? Maybe it's media with their "pretty" but less masculine idols?
Generally, if I observe boys of my cousins there is a drift in goals of boys. Me in their age, I wanted to be strong, integer and competitive in sports like most boys in my class.
I wouldn't say boys of cousin are feminine but they are afraid of taking risks and responsibility. On the other hand they highly cunning to obtain materialistic goods.
There's nothing wrong with making yourself look good and taking care of your skin. That's just basic shit. Many women like men who take time to clean themselves up, to make themselves look good. If you want filthy men who work rough jobs, date a farmer/big-rig driver/mechanic/wannabe cowboy/ garbage disposal worker/ construction worker/ railroad worker/coal miner/... etc. dating society changes with society and every generation, that's just a fact, but if you're looking for something specific, go look where you will find them
I am from middleeastern. I am just jealous of western girls who can date modern western european men who dont cheat on you, respect you, give you attention, cook and care of the house with you, care of the of kid with you etc. Yes, not all western men are great but at least many young western men respect their partner and can cook and clean their own things.
You can date middleeastern men if you want hardcore masculine man lol. By the way people do skin care for hygienic and health reasons. So it is not feminine. It is also ok if you prefere dominant conservative men but you can't expect that from all men since men are invidual and do not have to be like the men you prefere. Majority of men also do not do Make-up.
So i dont understand the question.
Lol people are so dumb. It's satan fault then men use skincare lmao, It's a government or corporate agenda, or it's lizard people or it's because of women.
You see when humans are doing things out there own will they turn to blame it anything else but themselves. But smart people can see the forest from the tree's. The man used skincare cause he wanted to, That's it.
You are aware this is not something that is occurring naturally. In western society, never before has roughly half of society been ok with men kissing in public, with homosexual cartoon shows aimed at kids, with saying all white people are automatically racists and oppressors and the ones that say they’re not racist are subconsciously oppressors and racist. What’s comical about that is…. it’s racism to hold such beliefs. Never before have people burned down the country in a fit of narcissistic rage and committed thefts and order was not swiftly and heavily handedly restored. It used to be people who didn’t believe in God respected the those that did instead of trashing them. We have never had transgender and gay parades. Never before have opened the borders and just let people pour in…with covid…. while telling your own citizens they must get vaccinated, yet no such demands. are placed on the illegal immigrant.
Where exactly do you think this comes from? Am I seriously supposed to believe that roughly half think these things are good. I could easily write a small novel on the odious, bizarre, and morally degenerate things going on.
Yet 20 or perhaps even 15 years ago these things were not even up for discussion.
Life in regards to norms in western society has gone on as it was pretty much from the start…until now. Then suddenly a large section of the population just went polar opposite? Like everyone around 2005 suddenly thought gay marriage was a great idea. Suddenly in like 2019 everything is racist which is an excellent tool to keep people from personal accountability and allows them to blame their behavior on something else.
Where has these demented ideologies come from all of a sudden? And you think a large section of the population just decided to radically change their minds on these things with no prompting from anyone else? And all these changes are almost literally the exact opposite of what God said to do.
You can not care about my God all you like. You don’t get to decide what truth is. Scripture would indicate this is supernatural in nature, you say it’s people doing what they want. You are correct. It is people doing what they want. They’re doing these things because they’re spiritually dead due to original sin. They love their sins and are not willing to part with them. In that sense they are doing what they want, however they are slaves to their master Satan and to sin. Satan is their overlord and sways them for his ends.
We will have to agree to disagree.
Scripture of supernatural matters don't decide the truth it's just what some people decide to follow for whatever reason. Meanwhile logical science leads to answers and truths, and not once did i see a book that said Skin care on men is Satan and why not? because that would never be true.
But you can remain deluded and yes will have to agree to disagree.
Not all of us men are feminine but usually the feminist kinda mock masculine men for decades, also with the raise of the lgbt movement in these years most people aren't technically stuck in arbitrary labels anymore. I actually happened to be a masculine male but I don't mind some traditional feminine activities like cooking and baking, they are a hobby for me but yes I wouldn't pluck my eyebrows though it looks really painful.
Look I don’t care if a guy uses skin care or plucks their eyebrows. Do I do those those things? No I’m a traditional man
But I don’t care if someone else does and I don’t think it makes them less of a man if they do.
Part of being a man is having the personal confidence and security in your masculinity that you affords you. Being able to do things not seem as traditionally masculine.
Pfft. I don't do that shit. I don't even wipe after taking a crap! Masculine AF.
As you should 👏🏻
Society has made it unpopular for men to be men and not be effeminate.
Talk shows like the view and other women led shows criticise males who are anything but soft, emotional or groomed.
Not everyone feels this way, but the optics on what women want via social media and TV and magazines lean towards a softer fella.
Again, not all people feel this way, like yourself, but I feel there is social pressure on guys like girls to look a certain way
Scroll up to the dumb broads question as to why toxic masculinity is still so prevalent for an answer… you god damn women just can’t be satisfied… we’re either so masculine it’s toxic or we’re so feminine it’s “where have all the men gone”.
I’m done with women… you can’t be saved.
With that attitude I’m sure you won’t be missed. 🎻
And with that attitude Asker can understand why men don’t need to be powerful or masculine.
You women want control take it you’ll destroy yourselves with it. Women have never been less happy in society then today and yet your more unrestricted then ever… perhaps people are meant to be restricted giving life a certain thrill… either way today’s women can’t be pleased.
Women spent years telling young men that they wanted this stupid shit. Older men like me had seen a whole generation nearly lost to this bullshit before, so we advised where we could not to fall for it.
The boys who grew up to be men, are now for the most part, happily married or paired off. The nu-men... who the hell knows or cares.
@Ksiw3fiss Such bitterness... yummm. Put that in my coffee.
@Z3uhh75f That's what I said. But some women tell guys that that is what they want, and since young guys will do anything to get laid, they'd cut their own balls off for a slice.
What they fuck you talking about? Stop dating fags.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/fhKdpKrF3xM@Gt68hgt so you can strap up and fuck his ass, you'd turn this guy into a peter puffin fairy in a week guaranteed.
Because femoids bitch about guys being, shockingly, guys and call decency toxic.
This is just sad, even sadder that men actually pay attention to what they say
Nope, Thanks to feminism and leftism actively trying to destroy men.
Sadly agree
Why do women no longer have the femininity/dependent/nurturing/home-oriented to them?
I think the real question is: why do you expect people to follow this traditional bullshit? Just let people be themselves for crying out loud!
Lol I am not, I’m strongly against feminists, I’m a sub and like how everything was back then
Yea of course
You dummy, I’m only a sub to my hubby not a fag stranger like you, get a life pussyman
Also fuck off before I block the shit outta you, faggot
ever heard of feminism and the "toxic masculinity" bullshit? that's why. women are ruining men.
That’s just disgusting
Because the far left wingers that control mainstream society are waging a war on masculinity.
im guessing cuz back in the days men use to do all the butchering animals for meat, lift heavy shit, and fight but now they have options
Agreed, not every guy works as a construction labourer or engineer these days, since there's now a less defined structure to gender roles in society these days.
And usually the ones who do are more gruff and traditional.
Not all guys are what you describe but my wife often makes fun of skinny jeans and body shaving.
I mean I don’t like having pimples on my face, not because I look ugly but simply because their annoying and I want them gone. I was told not to pop them so what else should I do. As for all the other things you mentioned I don’t do them simply because why would I? I don’t need to do those things. Men still have power to them, may not be the same they had before but it’s still their. Just gotta draw it out.
I pluck my eyebrows too. But to keep them clean since I’ve got tick eyebrows.
There is a difference of a guy making and acting like a feminine guy in hopes to get girls.
Or a manly men who’s well groomed. Go on FB/ IG/ Tiktok and look at all the comments under a girls profile is all fake garbage from men kissing up girls ass! In hopes doing all these horse shit will get them laid.
Masculine men is a threat to tyranny.
" Masculine men is a threat to tyranny " ... Exactly !! Agendas 21 & 30 are in progress , hence this crap is so heavily pushed , to neutralize future opposition.
I’m not saying you’re wrong! That’s there was extremely feminism first, they needed to soften men first. But there plans will fail in the final step. They follow Satan.
So doesn’t matter they’ll keep pushing!
2029 they said something will be flying close to earth. I’m guessing that maybe Jesus. Maybe people die because of the heavy push towards C0ViD lethal injections.
However on the good news good people will survive.
Bad news America / Indonesia/ Japan / China / Taiwan / North Korea / Iran Will be the countries during these times you don’t be in. Bad stuff is coming to those locations
This is far as I have information for.
I thought that's what you woman wanted?
Jus yesterday I saw a post about "toxic masculinity" from a girl basically saying we should be more girly and show our emotions and cry more... Now you're wondering why men are feminine?
It's cos you girls are encouraging men to act gay... Make you minds up... what do you want?
Sissy's or rocks?
You never see men making suggestions at how woman should be or act.. why y'all so controling anyway? Maybe we men will act how we want...
@Ksiw3fiss Harharharharhar
Because there's not much else for men to build or do manually when technology is already doing our thing. Also lets not forget how heavy men's make up were during the 1700s and they wear powdered wigs and dresses too so if you want strong and powerful men back then, do you prefer them over men today?
But still anyone can use that reasoning for having long hair and wearing makeup tho. I don't wear makeup FYI
Because some guys know that girls pick them apart based on their looks the same way they do other women if not worse. A guy can do all of the things you said and still be inherently masculine (be assertive/dominant/not act like a little bitch/play sports/workout/etc.).
You can't take whole male community on basis of some men. Ya there are men who just cares about their looks but if u talk as a whole. I would say Nah!
I agree and have noticed they all want to be treated like ladies aswell🤣
Exactly and they somehow think it’s cool as well 😂🤮🤮
🤣🤣🤣🤣
You refer to just their skin care routine or also their attitudes?
Both
What about their attitudes has changed for the worst?
I actually really like those type of men. I like a man who takes care of themselves. Also being vulnerable with your partner doesn’t take away your masculinity. Just so you guys know that so it’s okay to show emotion or even cry in-front of your partner I think that would bring us closer instead of just being stone cold and acting like you’re al hard.
For you, but I like men who are like that. :)
Not my desires. I know what I deserve and I deserve a man who isn’t toxic and accepts the vulnerable sides of him. Because that means he will be willing to accept those sides from me instead of ignoring me and rejecting my feelings whenever I need him to listen to me. I’ve had toxic men in my life before you know the “toxic masculinity” type? And they’ve either abused me emotionally or abused someone I knew physically. I don’t need that. So your opinion is irrelevant to me because this is what I want and like. You need to learn to respect others opinions and choices especially at your age. Ma’am.
I’m not getting a man that only you or other toxic societal involved people only accept because you’re too close minded for it. I’m getting whoever the hell I want to because that’s who I’m attracted to and want to love unconditionally.
Con navajas nomas pendeja. Vete a la mierda. @Sam2021
You definitely need to be placed in a retirement home already since you’ve adopted the boomer mentality.
There are plenty of us that don’t do any of that crap
Well if you wanted hits to a question this is certainly the way to get them. 😉
Now men need to be sensitive, to women's needs, no more working in factories or steel mills. Just sitting behind a desk making the deals.
They use liquid soap and apply it with a scrubby thing. They drink spritzers and wine. Eat tofu, not stakes and potatoes. have pedicures and manicures. No longer change their cars oil, or repair it.
I like feminine men. I like men who aren’t afraid of being seen as “girly”. Just my opinion though, I don’t worry about it.
Then just date a girl, it’s better than being with a girly guy
Says you. This is my opinion.
Not everyone in the world has to be what you think is acceptable. Why can’t people like you just realize that everyone is different and if you don’t like it then just don’t look?
Your opinion is just too childish, it’s not about having an opinion, thoughts of people like you will encourage men that are inexperienced to become a fag, that’s it
I also like masculine women. I like women who aren't afraid of being seen as "boyish". This is just my opinion though and I don't worry about it.
Because he's not a caveman, missy. That he'd roast up some animal flesh, not shave, eat whatever's available, mate freely, etc.
What's it gotta do with you is something I cannot understand.
I guess we can ask whatever questions we have here right? It’s simply something I was wondering about, you need to relax
Sure, honey
My ex had this problem as a bisexual man
Aha ok:)
You r cool
Thanks, honey
Are you sure this is the case because men like him exist:
Guarantee you he practices some level of skincare, eyebrow grooming, and even beard care. You wouldn’t like the way he looked if he didn’t.
Then he would probably look like this and I love this look.
https://pin.it/6jtZOoR
This beard is so natural and I love this super beard:
https://pin.it/2gXRywS
I don't do none of that. All I do is shave the unibrow and my face. Comb my hair but don't really care most of the day. Simple deodorant and a splash of after shave
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