Why are Russian men running away from the war?

[Anonymous]

Is it because they are going to lose little Ukraine?

[cth96190]

Historically, the common people are seldom interested in dying for the greater glory of the political class and the military industrial complex.

The American political class has understood that for more than a century, which is why they carried the false flags of the USS Maine, the RMS Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11 and Kuwati babies incubators, which were used to make the mass of the population angry enough to want to fight.

In the case of Russia, there may also be memories of Stalin's 'not one step back' degree and how Beria's NKVD thugs lurked behind the front line to shoot anyone who did not demonstrate sufficient enthusiasm for the war.

[exitseven]

They dont want to die for a few square miles of Ukraine.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Same reason US men were draft dodging during Vietnam. Don't want to go fight in a war they don't agree with.

They know their neighbor is no real threat to them, and was sold a lie that it was for the security of the country and that it would be done with volunteers.

[loveslongnails]

Vietnam was worse than just "not agreeing" with the war. Technically, it wasn't even a war, it was a conflict. Congress never declared war on Vietnam. The public was sold "the Communist Domino Theory" by the CIA and convinced LBJ that if he didn't act, South Vietnam would fall.

However, prior to the CIA reports, LBJ vented to adviser McGeorge Bundy in a now familiar monologue:

“I don’t think it’s [South Vietnam] worth fighting for and I don’t think that we can get out. It’s just the biggest damned mess that I saw…What the hell is Vietnam worth to me?…What is it worth to this country? …this is…a terrible thing that we’re getting ready to do…”

58,220 US troops died as a result of the Nam conflict. Many who returned were maimed or suffered from the effects of Agent Orange, which to this very DAY, the government denies being harmful to humans (which is a lie), or the environment.

[dustybiker]

It’s not the war it’s what they would asked from their specific country leaders.

[dustybiker]

Thank you for the mhg.

[Oigit]

Because they don't agree with the war. Also like a lot of conflicts they are being pushed to fight by leadership that is nothing but air chair armchair quarterbacks. Because they know their leadership will never set foot on the same battlefield they are being sent to fight and die on. Also if their leadership ever does set food on the field, it will only be after the fighting is long done. Hence the entire reason why every countries leadership and their supporters should lead from the field.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Because the people of russia don't even want a war, the russian government wants a war and is dragging their own people into it by force. I'd leave a country too if forced into a draft. Drafts only happen because the government disobeyed the public's choice to not fight/kill people pointlessly.

[genericname85]

well cause nobody wants to go die in a war and putin is gonna draft people. they are not losing to ukraine by the way. they are losing to the entire west who's pumping ressources into ukraine like crazy. ukraine would long have been done otherwise.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Wars are instigated by rich men and fought by stupid and poor men.

Tell Putin to grab a gun along with his family and go fight his own damn war instead of living a luxurious life while others are out there getting shot at and killed at his expense.

[Lliam]

Why did Americans flee to places like Canada to avoid the draft?

Some Russians are avoiding service, but I don't believe the western narrative that tries to paint Russians as opposing the action in Ukraine.

[flashrex]

I mean I don't blame them. For one, their home country are the aggressors of the war, and two, they don't exactly want to risk their life fighting for a pretty shitty cause.

[leighbee]

Agreed

[Avicenna]

they know their country's way of making war- brutal and doesn't care how many casualties it takes. Not very attractive to be sent to invade another country when your chances of dying are fairly high, is it?

[Stoner710]

Because they don’t agree with the war in Ukraine and would not die in order to take over Ukraine and so they are moving in order to not get drafted into the military so they don’t have to fight Ukraine

[Moose304]

To be 100% honest I don't trust ANY of the information coming out of that part of the world. I have not taken sides and refuse to get sucked up into these debates in my private life. To repeat, don't trust ANY information!

[ShadezMcgee]

Don't know, maybe you can ask the same of Americans that fled to avoid the draft for Vietnam.

Easy to talk shit when you are not the one in that position, Mr. Anon.

[leighbee]

Because they didn't want a war to begin with. This is putins fault

[AviatorTom]

Similar thing happened with many American men fleeing to Canada during the Vietnam War. When someone doesn't believe in what he's being asked to fight for, what option does he have?

[Alexandrubaschet08]

Because russians hate Putin and don't want to fight for a person who doesn't reprezent them and olso don't want to die in a conflict that they never want to started.

Nobady want Putin in power in Russia ther is no democraty.

[TroyDT2]

They are conscripts with literally no training, aka "cannon fodder" and they know it. Additionally it is a war of choice, not necessity, and many are wondering why they are being asked to kill their neighbors.

[TroyDT2]

Those who are leaving before being drafted know the aforementioned.

[slatyb]

Because they don't want to waste their lives on Putin's folly. The same reason many American men went to Canada to avoid wasting their lives in Vietnam.

[loveslongnails]

Same reason men in the USA ran away from Vietnam. It was bullshit and there was/is no reason to be there. It was/is all about the ego of the leaders of the countries (LBJ/Nixon and Putin) at the time.

[Anonymous]

They're cowards. Sure they'll support invading the tiny country of Ukraine right up till someone asks them to put skin in the game. So this is the former MIGHTY Soviet Union. 🤣🤣🤣

[NamerOfStars]

It's because military slavery is no different from any other kind (save in social acceptability). Why WOULDN'T they run?

[BJP21]

Ahhh communism, thats why I live in America in a Socialistic Democracy. These are the dangers when you put control into communistic hands. I don't blame them for fleeing they are like many others who don't want war.

[goaded]

Russia's not communist. The Soviet Union died decades ago.

[susie22]

Because Putin is a narcissistic lunatic and Russia didn't want "his" war.

[D_Bone_Steak]

If Biden asked me to die for his bullshit right now... you think I'd just go along with it?

[inhua]

if they truly believed in gender equality, they should draft women into war too

[KelleyNice]

I am amazed at the number of people that believes every lie from mainstream media.

[Hypermotard1916]

the western sympathisers get to leave. so that they can enjoy their degenerate culture and be happy...

[tfan1]

No one wants to fight in something they know is wrong and shouldn’t have happened to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Because they are forced to fight in a lost war caused by a selfminded tyrant. No one in Russia wanted this war, only Putin and his government.

[going-to-ibiza]

Maybe because they don’t want to die just to please a mad old dictator…?

[HaveNoName]

Because there is fear all of them are going to be drafted into the military.

[zagor]

Because they don't want to go in under-equipped to fight a war that is only happening because of some out-of-touch assholes ego.

[John_Doesnt]

Because it's not their war. Same reason Americans fled during the Vietnam war.

[ODC2112]

Because they don't want to have the male privilege of being cannon fodder.

[UnknownSwede]

Because they don't want to die (or kill others) in a an invasion that they don't support.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

For the same reason Ukrainian men ran away too.

Because they would die in a war not started by them.

[Twalli]

I don't think they really wanted to fight in the first place.

[OddBeMe]

They know its Putin’s hardon they’d be fighting for, not Russia.

[007kingifrit]

they lived in peace for too long, peace makes people weak

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

Trump supporters

PANSYS

[Asker]

They are trump support sissies. Lol

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

lol, right?

[leighbee]

Trump has nothing to do with this

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

@leighbee Yes, it does, it has EVERYTHING to do with it

[leighbee]

No it doesn't. He only got to the brain dead Americans 👍😂

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

@leighbee He has EVERYTHING to do this this

[leighbee]

You can't blame Trump for everything lol

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

@leighbee Yes, I can

The buck ALWAYS stops with the president

And he's your president, right?

[leighbee]

We dint have presidents where I am from 😂

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

@leighbee yikes

[leighbee]

Why yikes? We have a prime minister

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

@leighbee same idea

A leader of a country, just a different name

[leighbee]

We are not doing well rn here in my country but definitely better than America 😂

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

@leighbee Actually we're doing a LOT better

[robocop666]

they dont want their heads blown off in a war

[BeMuse]

Ukraine is getting their ass handed to them... You really have no clue what is going on...

[Asker]

Then why are they running away? Oh, that's right, they are scared.

[Asker]

People usually run away from a winning fight? What world are you living in?

[BeMuse]

You're dumb as hell. I suppose if I conducted a reverse slope defense against you and slaughtered your entire company while taking minimal loss you'd think I lost because I was on the backside of the hill. You really are clueless.

[BeMuse]

Russia stated in the beginning that they wanted to remove the Nazis. They wanted to demilitarize Ukraine. They never set a war goal of taking Ukrainian territory. It’s never been about territory. Russia has been sieging Ukrainian positions heavily with artillery because Russia out ranges the Ukrainians and has air superiority. They have a strategic advantage. This forces the Nazis to advance on Russian defensive positions recklessly or stay still and continue to be bombarded until there is nothing left of them. The defensive position is the stronger position. The Ukrainian Nazis are vulnerable when they come out in the open and they take heavy losses. Russia wants that sort of lopsided fighting to preserve their people’s lives and equipment and to preserve civilian life and infrastructure of Ukraine. They just want to kill the Nazis… Ukrainian solders have been dying at a 10 to 1 ratio to Russians. Thus it is working.

If Russia was to move into Ukrainian cities and fight an urban warfare campaign, then the Ukrainians would have the defensive advantage. In cities, tanks are difficult to target from the air by the attacker due to the height of buildings shielding their positions. But invading tanks can be easily ambushed from keyholes with anti-tank missiles. But if you bait those same tanks out of the cities into open terrain and force them to advance, then they are easy pickings for air power. This is why Ukraine keeps begging for more tanks from NATO. Their hand is being forced by Russia, and they are taking heavy losses of men and equipment that they can not replace. Their lines are being stretched and thinned out. Their moral is being depleted. Eventually their will be a counter attack by the Russians and they will roll over them very easily.

[BeMuse]

*there

[BeMuse]

Since you obviously do not understand warfare, maybe you understand video games. In video games there is a strategy called kiting... That is what Russia is doing on a very simple level to Ukraine. When Ukraine gets close enough to shoot, Russia backs up a little and keeps firing because they have the range advantage. The Ukrainians die at 10 times the rate and lose resources...

[BeMuse]

Victory is achieved when the enemy is killed, not when territory is taken. Russia has air and fire superiority. They are forcing the Ukrainians to fight their battle and the Ukrainians are getting eliminated. Pretty fucking simple.

[BeMuse]

The Russian army is often characterized as an artillery army… This is what they do. They did it in WWII to kill the Nazis and they are doing it today. They are just doing it with more advanced technology now... Thus the Ukrainians have to run a counter-battery campaign to try to fight them. The Russian utilize artillery feints to get the Ukrainians to move where the Russian want them to be. Then they kill them. The Russian artillery is highly mobile and they have better intelligence via aerial observation. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

[BeMuse]

Here I even found a pro-Ukrainian newspaper admitting what I am telling you. I don't read their garbage, but for the sake of retards like you that only believe media propaganda here you go. Keep in mind, they want the Ukrainians to look good, so everything is exaggerated in their favor.

www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[pers0n]

Retarded pro Ukraine sources admit that Ukrainians torture russian soldiers and even their own civilians.

[BeMuse]

@pers0n It doesn’t matter how much propaganda gets shovel on the masses, the facts don’t change. Russia is in control of the battle field. They establish air superiority in Ukraine early in the war and they have the air superiority fighters to maintain it. Ukraine can’t challenge them in the air. Then Russia moved into their artillery assault phase to soften up the enemy with indirect fire. They cut supply lines and bombarded enemy infantry hiding in defensive fighting positions in unfavorable terrain. They forced Ukraine to take large risks and run a counter-battery campaign. Thus Ukrainian cavalry and infantry were forced to advance into Russian defensive lines without force protection from aircraft. This left them vulnerable to Russian air to ground missiles and overwhelming artillery fire that possessed superior battlefield intelligence due to aerial drone observation. As a result Ukraine took heavy losses and lost pretty much all of their tanks. Now Ukrainian lines are mostly comprised of only infantry. That infantry is under supplied with small arms ammunition. In the next phase, Russia will ride right though those Ukrainian defensive lines with tanks and helicopters bringing hell with them. Russian has so many tanks it’s not even funny, and Ukraine has none now. Thus Ukrainian infantry will be facing a lot of armor and air power without having any themselves. Ukraine's lines will be easily broken and Russian infantry will follow behind to occupy whatever objectives they have set.

[BeMuse]

Why do you think Russia is all the sudden calling up 300,000 reservists? Could it be because Ukraine has lost their tanks and they are preparing for that push through enemy lines? What do you think happens to Ukrainian infantry when winter comes and concealment is removed due to leaf drop in forested positions? Those drones will be able to see everything, there will be no where to hide... Russia obviously has a plan and they are winning.

[pers0n]

I dont even follow every detail. I know that part of it is staged, that putin is not an angel just like trump isn't, although they're the least fucked up of them all.
Saying that covid was an innocent unplanned accident and trusting MSM after all the BS, and now with the war right next to each other, fucking the food supplies and energy (and they are raising energy prices in Canada, even though they fucking brag about it being so fucking green and relying most on renewable hydropower, which is in no fucking way affected by the fucking war, and which could even have been thrown away with a number of technologies that existed a long long time ago)

But that could be too complicated for a fluoride addict to comprehend. So a better question is... if ukraine is so good and russia so bad... why did the ukrop authorities prevent evacuation of civilians?

A lot of it doesn't make sense because it's not supposed to.

(I'm not asking for answers, I'm saying that the sheep should question it)

[BeMuse]

Food for thought poster...

Troop build up:
www.reuters.com/.../

Helo build up:
www.yahoo.com/.../...ore-400-planes-084456165.html

No tanks to spare...
www.reuters.com/.../

[BeMuse]

Sure we gave them 4,600 Javelins and 1,400 stingers but only 200 men were trained in a one day crash course on how to use them before the war started. How many of those men are still alive, I could not tell you. They have no manuals, just a phone number to call in Washington state for tech support. Not the best preparation… They also have some NLAWs and some Carl Gustaf… Can’t be fun facing down that much armor, when they have artillery fire superiority and air superiority. That’s a bad day no matter how you spin it...

[Anonymous]

because the war is by the dictator and it's a scam that Russian trying to do. we should send Putin to the front line

[Pterodon]

Because they don’t agree with the reason

[leighbee]

100%

[Philyouup]

becuse thwre
leader is insane. a megalomaniac

[BLP11520]

They don't want to die for Putin... simple

[JohnK123]

Why do u think

[Anonymous]

Duh. Would you like to die in Biden's name?

[RolandCuthbert]

Russians are going to war for Biden?

And you mean you would die for trump?

Trumpers are outstanding!

[Opinion Owner]

@RolandCuthbert You aren't the brightest lightbulb aren't you?

[RolandCuthbert]

Dude, you just posted that Russians didn't want to die for Biden.

Wow!

[Opinion Owner]

@RolandCuthbert I assume the question asker might be in America and since more people in America are unhappy about Biden than the other way around i twisted the question around to make a relative perspective.

[RolandCuthbert]

But that's because you are an idiot.

Name the President that American soldiers did not want to fight for.

We ain't Russia. We don't have a draft.

[Opinion Owner]

@RolandCuthbert n** if you want to be blocked, all you gotta do is ask. You dumbfuck.

[Opinion Owner]

@RolandCuthbert n i g q e r

[Twalker5]

they don't want to die for Putin