Agree or Disagree: Hard times create hard men, hard men create soft times, soft times create soft men and soft men create hard times?

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NathanDavis · Accepted Answer

I'm all kind and nice, and helpful... agreeable for the most part, never a forceful one nor imposing or demanding

but that's until they mess with someone I care for... then that can turn into some sort of John Wick situation, lmao

best to get along with Nathan... so John never has to come out and do what it takes

besides that, another time is very true... hard times can create a lot of hardened men, but many of these are hardened on the surface, and that is to shield a broken, fragile and vulnerable ego that is actually very weakened and many times as well, unpredictable

and this is why the suicide rates among soldiers, which are the ones facing some of the truest and and grueling hardship end up as they do

goaded · Accepted Answer

I remembered a counter to that argument that cropped up a while ago.

"An obsession with “hard” masculinity is a very old trope, but one that continues to plague us. It’s often supported by facile historical comparisons that fall apart upon closer inspection, but it remains one of the most reliable tools for manipulating men into a whole array of harmful behaviors."

https://freethoughtblogs.com/oceanoxia/2022/02/02/lonerbox-takes-a-hard-look-at-hard-times-and-hard-men/

https://www.youtube.com/embed/yRSBkCcKp2I

Lynx122 · Answer

Meh, I think there's too many guys who wanna think of themselves as an action movie hero. And there's a whole industry on youtube to pander to those guys and tell them how everything was better in the past. Being stoic and being ready for a conflict if that's all you have to offer as a person and that's all you think a man is supposed to be it's kinda sad. Isn't it more a sign that these guys can't adapt to the times? Shouldn't a man be able to flourish and find happiness no matter what the world around him looks like? I'm gonna do creative things with my life and idc what people think about it. We live in a time where you can do almost anything with your life if you try hard enough and if some people want to waste that by holding on to their gun and wishing for ww3 then that's their choice but I'm not going to be one of them.

Anonymous · Answer

It's not false. There's more to it than that. I get the feeling, that this loop is repeating itself at a rather fast pace and not slowly. We have strong and weak men simultaneously at present.

This is confirmed considering the historical events, that have occurred.

WW 1 & 2, the great depression, cold wars, financial collapse 2008, bird/swine flu, covid-19, russia invading ukraine resulting in a war in ukraine (for now), energy and gas crisis and global food shortages, crypto collapse and there will be more.

We don't have exactly hard times because we are not threatened by feral wolves, hostile tribes, open environment with natural disasters, nor do we have shelling directly in our homes, neighborhoods or vicinity. I have survived without running water, toilets and sanitary utilities before. Would not do it again.

Fuentes · Answer

I agree I do think men need to suffer through something to become a hard man, whether it's small or tough men should not be weak lol and causing problems for others.

Since Cave Man days the man had to hunt & protect his family from animals looking to eat them it was never the other way around.

ArtemisSilver · Answer

True to an extent, but hard times aren't the same all around.

I don't know anybody in my peer group that had the same date dickenson hard knocks childhood I had in this age.

I also haven't met anyone who was on one hand called gifted, and on the other hand so deprived of educational opportunity. I just kind of fell through the cracks in the system.

I suppose that we might face the trials we face for a reason. While I'm not best pleased with some of what I've endured, I like to think I might have found a little bit of rare wisdom in it.

I'm always the one guy in the room full of blue collar types that might quote a famous poem or scientific article, or the only guy in a room full of corporate suits that knows how to mix a drink and fix a broken down car.

Just kind of the black sheep for good or for ill.

Mansearching · Answer

Hard to say. Luck of the draw, pieces fell where they did, dominos fell exactly in their path.

Every time I get ahead something always happens to push me back 2 steps. But that's what we call life. Also people who are more well off than me get all the help and someone like me who look for change in parkinglots get told you make to much money.

That question is all relative

Daniela1982 · Answer

A pair of boobs create more hard men than not.

Chazmatazz269 · Answer

I feel like you added a layer, but generally i agree.

Anonymous · Answer

Definitely true. The proliferation of things like modern feminism and other liberal silliness was made possible by the good times created for all of us by the greatest generation, and those liberal influences have definitely created a very "soft" western population, including men. We are definitely in for some hard times ahead, and during hard times feminism will disappear in a heartbeat, as it did in Ukraine.

Ninania · Answer

Untreated trauma sure makes people "hard" and guarded, and "hard times" indicates a level of stress and constant retraumatising. You can't heal from trauma if you're in the same environment that caused it.

ShadezMcgee · Answer

Every man must be broken down at some point and continue the process to grow better and stronger, so yes.

Wish4UrB00ty · Answer

I hate it… but it’s true!! They say it’s an every couple hundred year cycle. So maybe our grandkids will get on top of this shit.

Anonymous · Answer

There might be SOME truth to this. But there's a lot of other variables. I think to just say that is too simplistic.

Cassie88 · Answer

No, that's not true at all, even though it may be one of those beliefs that many accept, although most who do probably do so without thinking too deeply about it.

Adaeva · Answer

I believe there is a lot of truth to that. There is a positive correlation but it is not 100% true.

Figurine89 · Answer

Soft men create hard times... yep, just look at trumps time in office

HappyWoman34 · Answer

Yeah, I pretty much agree. But there is good and bad to being harder or softer.

Anonymous · Answer

Well, that’s a mouthful.  way to go to keep it simple.

loveslongnails · Answer

Sounds like crackerjack philosophy

Anonymous · Answer

Anyone who disagrees with that obviously true statement is being dishonest, mostly with themselves. History has shown it to be true over and over again.

joeldalton · Answer

We are seeing the weak men create hard times before our eyes.

Guccixlouis · Answer

Hard times CAN create hard men, as long as they're dedicated to growing from the experience and never breaking

John_Doesnt · Answer

If Joe Rogan says it then it's wrong, that guy is a turd with a capital T.

PainusNdeeAnus · Answer

This has to be some form of brain gRape

msc545 · Answer

Convoluted questions create annoyance. :)

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