Since I am a oder I my answer will be based on how things were before things got to be the way they are now.
Many years ago, as far as dating goes, it was the guys treating the women like shit.
They played horrible mind games with women.
For instance if a guy took you out on a dinner date, he expected to come in and kiss you and take you to bed and have sex with you - because he bought you dinner.
After the date, even though the date was exciting and fun, he never calls you again. Then you'd get on the phone with the girls and try to figure out why he never called again. This could take hours sometimes.
After a few great dates with you, he'd tell you he doesn't want to see you anymore. He says it's him not you. Or they'd say they need sapce. Or they'd say we need to see other people. Almost every guy would do this to women. Then you'd never hear from him again 🤷🏼♀️.
The girls were always left with the decision to have sex with him or not. The quandary was this: if you had sex with him he might call you and want another date with you again. If you didn't have sex with him, more than likely you would never hear from him again. If he did see you again and again and always expected sex and you had sex with him each time, well guess what you've become? Yes! His personal whore, slut, ace in the whole, etc.
Then you'd feel bad about yourself because you really wanted a relationship with him because the two of you always had such a great time together. But that's not what he was thinking. He got another notch in his belt for getting free sex with you, and pretty soon, your silent phone became deafening because he quit calling and you don't know why.
The movie He's just not into you is a movie all about what I am talking about here.
So, as time went on, and the mind games went on with guys, they actually taught us how to start treating them like shit. The tables were turned, and that's what we have today.
Maybe, perhaps just maybe if guys took time to know these women and not just jump into the sack with her, things might have never become like they are now.
Women just got sooo burned out with being used just for sex that they've turned the tables on the guys. They had to, otherwise they would all be just like prostitute's but not getting paid.
So, there you have it. I lived through it, my friends lived through it - we survived their cruel mind games!!!
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Honestly it’s not just men hating women, I’m starting to hate a certain subset of women as well. I’m tired of women acting like they support other women when in reality they really don’t. Most women I have dealt with are very self centered and would screw someone else over at their expense. It’s getting out of control. There are some amazing women for sure too, but they’re most likely not working for corporate America.
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A lot of men are just exhausted from dealing with women.
Why do some men - more than before - dislike women nowadays? Because of:
- Feminism (no, not just "modern feminism;" literally the entire movement despises men, aka "patriarchy")
- Woke culture
- Simps inflating women's egos, leading to...
- Modern female entitlement and arrogance
- Modern women's mistreatment of men and sh*tting on them constantly (even if they aren't feminists)
- False victimhood and movements like #MeToo
- "I'm a strong independent woman; WHY WON'T A MAN STEP UP TO MARRY ME?" BS
And other things of the like.
While most men don't dislike women, some have had more bad women in their life than others (me included, especially) that have been awful to them or tried to falsely accuse them of things.The same applies to anyone who's been mistreated by the same group of people over time: After enough incidents of mistreatment, you begin to stop trusting the type of people commonly mistreating you. This happens to women who turn into feminists, men who turn into incels, people who turn into racists, and so on. "Hate," or even "dislike," doesn't pop up overnight.
And while it isn't "right," it is somewhat justified in people's minds. Usually, you need some good examples to offset the bad ones. And if you have none, then that person continues to dislike that group of people.
I myself have very few good examples of any good people in my real life; male or female. Hence, my general "pessimism" about people on this site. But I still try not to fall into the same mindset that feminists and incels do.
There are decent women I know on this site, like @Ms_Facesitter, and @Mia-Wallace (when she's not drunk-arguing/fighting with me through DM's), and @@lucy68, and @letuswalkforthedead, and @asakyo and a few others.
But women I know in real life who aren't the feminist type? ... Man, not too many. One of my coworkers is cool. Another Korean woman I know across the country and text with, is cool. And my female friend Taylor, back in the US. And some previous female friends I've had in the past. But as of right now, I only know three good women in real life, versus all of the rest of them. And I don't even hate women (at least, no more than I do the rest of this garbage species.)
I want to be around good people in general. I don't know too many good men, besides my best friend, either...
I'm really glad that I grew out of this shit at a young age, but from my perspective, many men are literally raised and conditioned subconsciously to objectify and then hate women as a result. For example, when I was maybe 5, I had lots of close friends who were girls. I was often told by both older men and women "oh you're popular with the ladies", or "is that your girlfriend? You're doing well so young." there are also common phrases, like "you little heartbreaker", or when people would infer that I was going to grow into a successful man because I had girls around me. And they were saying this shit to a 5 year old! There were no comments about the amount of friends I had who were boys by the way.
I learned pretty quickly that my success as a male was reliant on having girls interested in me, and the more the merrier. Fast-forward 11 years or so, and this belief transforms into "I need to obtain women in order to be a man". If you weren't having sex, then you weren't masculine, and a teenager's self-esteem and low cognitive ability will drive them to fulfill this desire without actually thinking of a woman's personality, needs, feelings, or anything, since the teen boy has been taught to use women as tools to achieve manliness and status instead of making real connections and relationships. Like the saying goes, "a lock that opens with every key that's inserted is a broken lock, but a key that opens every lock is a masterkey". Almost every guy will have heard this before, and a large amount believe it too.
There's also the example of how boys are taught that feminine and girly things are beneath them, and how thinking, dressing, or behaving like a girl is weak. Many men hate or at least disrespect "weakness", and that disrespect can carry over to women as well as effeminate men.
And then you have the incels. A lot will have this belief construct, but they aren't getting laid for one reason or another. So they start to hate women, because it is the woman's fault that they aren't achieving their masculine goals, it's the woman's fault they feel depressed and alone, and for everything else that they are deficient in. Because these incels don't understand that their success as men, and as adults, actually comes from inside of them and isn't based on hookup badges and fucking around. So there are these huge groups of guys with no understanding or empathy for women, who feel entitled to women's bodies because that's what they think they need to be men.
Regardless of if a guy is an incel or not, many of us are not normally taught to connect with the female perspective. When you don't understand someone's perspective, you are more likely to judge them and dislike them because of how inflexible you are regarding accepting different views on things.
I don't know about the new generations, but for a lot of millennials and older generations, boys just aren't raised right. I'm really glad that I was in an environment where I could overcome this conditioning pretty young, but I see a lot of my friends and guys in general thinking and behaving like this.
Well I would take what teenage boys say too seriously. They still have a lot of time on their hands to still experience the world.
Anyway let me fill you in on a little secret. Most men desire and need to feel respected by women EVEN more than they need sex and intimacy. However there really is a major double standard in modern society brought on by feminism. It works like this:
Women are being told that their emotion is “their truth”. So they should express, indulge and follow whatever emotion they are feeling since that’s supposedly whats best for the world despite the fact their emotion could be harmful to others and/or self sabotaging. Here are two major examples:
1. A woman ghosting someone (usually a romantically interested man) because she’s too selfish and chickenshit to communicate she’s not or no longer interested.
Ghosting is only justified when someone is an obvious threat and/or legitimately did something to harm you (cheating, physical abuse, etc). But many women just indulge their “feeling” of being afraid to communicate and leave the man hanging. This was not that common 15+ years ago. But in modern society it is.
2. A woman unfairly labeling a guy a “creep” when he did nothing wrong other than being socially awkward or unattractive. In many cases the guy might not of even said anything to her. But she indulges “her truth” to someone else’s detriment. And society says she’s justified to do so since because only her feelings matter.
Men on the otherhand do NOT get leeway to allow our negative emotions to control us. We face stiff consequences if we do. We are not allowed to openly express our negative emotions despite being told otherwise. Especially if these emotions are against women. If we do we are at best labeled weak and at worst labeled dangerous, threatening, etc.
So it really comes all down to women getting more leeway to act shitty in modern society while men are being held to a higher and higher standard. Again it’s the lack of respect men get from women NOT rejection that makes so many of us angry.
Mature men understand that attraction isn’t a choice but RESPECT is definitely a choice. And more and more modern women are choosing to disrespect men.
Hate is such a strong word.
I think the reason why most men don’t like women is due to to much drama,
I have spoken to my share of women and I’ve dated one and all of my experiences have been horrible,
The women I’ve had will start a conversation and about 5 minutes in they ask for money which is a no from me, or they start assuming that because I’m talking to her I instantly want to get her clothes off why can’t I just want to have a decent conversation?
Nearly every women I’ve spoken to starts on about suicide and wanting to die which can get a bit tiresome if you are suicidal you wouldn’t be blasting it all online you would go away somewhere and do it, or you’d go out in public and threaten to jump off a building to get the attention you need to get the help you need, I can’t help you I’m not a therapist so there’s really no point telling me, and it’s not just one woman it was nearly every woman I had ended up like this,
Oh and then there’s the one I dated a right immature, nasty, lying, toxic, narcissist, not saying all women are this way as they’re not but in my experience I’m now avoiding women at least for the foreseeable future as I just can’t stand the drama.Misogyny and Misandry come from the same despicable part of humanity. People such as myself call out both when we see it. Let me ask a question. Again this is something I witnessed. I was within earshot and heard every word spoken. A man sit near a female in a somewhat crowded bar (remember covid social distancing) and simply said hello to her. Then he looked over at me and said hello as well. That female complained to the bartender the man was bothering her and asked him to tell that man to leave. The bartender did, but as he left I settled my tab and told the bartender I will NEVER step foot in that place again. Who was in the wrong that day? Remember I witnessed that horrible scene. There are several reasons men "hate" women. One reason is some men don't respect them. A female is just another notch on the ole six-shooter. There are more, but I want to keep my comment as pithy as I can. What some women see as hatred though is when men such as myself call out their bullshit like that monster with matching chromosomes in that bar. Men are not angels either. I spend the majority of my time trying to teach men to not disrespect females. Just make dang sure before you accuse a male of hating or disliking a female that it is not that same man calling out their bullshit!
A lot of guys on here do! GAG seem to be a place for incels and mama's little bitter boys lol
Anyways I feel like on GAG are a lot of guys who have no experience with women and little to know experiences about the real life... what I want to say in the real world and I will say in my country (1st world thing and not a religiously lead place) even the awful guys don't hate on women in the way guys do on here.
I personally have never met an incel in person and I'm really thankful for that🙏🏼
The men that I know from work or walk into on the street are really normal grown educated men🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼You're mistaking indifference for hate. Many men today simply don't value women because most women (in western society today) have little to no value. These women think life is all about sex and try to use sex/sexual attraction to get various perks but then they have a problem when it doesn't work for them exactly how they want or if guys tune them out. There's a reason why feminists call it 'empowering' when a pop star dresses like a desperate hooker & gets male attention just for how she looks & dances. I see one respondent to your question who is a 60+ year-old woman saying that men used to treat women poorly and basically blaming men for women's complaints/problems today. What a joke. A lot of these women never want to take responsibility for their own actions. Not every woman was 'easy' or gave guys things just because the guy wanted it. Some had standards and they were the ones who also ended up with higher quality dudes. By the way, very few men on earth will take a woman seriously if all she has to offer is sex. If she has nothing else to offer that's HER fault for not bothering to invest in having more.
I mean, to the extent this is true, the first question that should pop in your head should be "why do men hate or dislike women?"
I'm not saying it's true
Some women will be quick to answer and say
"It's because we have more opportunity and men can't stand that!"
"Men can't stand having equal power to women, that's why."
Or
"Men can't handle a powerful independent woman because they aren't REAL men."
I've heard a variety of these answers and their variations.
A form of deflection from legit introspection into oneself.
We don't usually want to believe WE are the problem so we look elsewhere to blame.
I'm playing devil's advocateI think because a lot of guys don´t spend with women on a regular basis. There is also the mystery going on if guys and women could be friends without being into each other.
So since guys don´t spend time with girls they get their picture of women either from guys that do or from the internet.
The problem that both portray women mainly as your picture shows the female, as someone that´s complaining, entitled and needy but rarely as kind or caring.
That way guys live with a perception of women that makes them avoid women even more. The guys that break out of this circle do like women they are just not heard online since they spend their attention on a woman in their life.Because female entitlement, false victim mindsets, and insane arrogance and expectations have finally worn on our last nerves.
Men bring most to the table in a relationship and yet women think they are the prize because “vagina” there is never anything else.
They act like spoiled brat children and victims any time they have to take accountability.
They falsely accuse men of everything any time they need to get sympathy or take responsibility for poor choices.
They blame men for everything and refuse to accept any negative truth about themselves.
They have essentially removed any and all value they had as partners.
You can blame feminism for most of it, but generally the vast populous of females things the same way.1) because they say “females”
2) because they make generalizations about “women”
3) they use the b word
4) talk about “gold diggers”
5) they talk about how women have left them lonely
6) they talk about how they can’t “get” sex without paying for it
7) they talk about “getting” women
8) they talk about hit their depression would be fixed if they could “have” a girlfriend
9) they ask questions like “how can we get hot girls to have sex with ugly guys who are trying their best”- u
there are not the men though...
real men are not immature, insecure nor inadequate...
if you make to your 20's to 50's disliking or hating women... is because you failed yourself as a person, and then you just take it on all women as a wholeas simple as that
- u
It seems to come only from keyboard warriors who spend too much time on the internet. Fortunately I rarely come across them in real life, and when I do, their bitterness isn’t directed only towards women. They’re just bitter people who are mad at the world.
Because a lot of todays men grew up accustomed to winning all the time. Mom and/or dad would plow whatever and whomever out of the way for their little boy. Failure is always seen as weak and undesirable. What people dont get is that learning from failure and rejection is what makes a man.
So what we get instead are boys in grown up bodies, having little to no actual life experience. They become incredibly upset and discouraged when they find out they aren't number one. I see it every day in the professional sector. So many boys giving up because they are easily offended or cannot bring themselves to be better.
Gone are the days where a man can accept a womans rejection with grace. What women get now are whiny man bitches who gripe everytime a woman turns them down despite their perceived "niceness"
I don't think it's true that all men hate or dislike all women, but there is definitely a lot of anger among men today. Men are just tired of being shit on by society and women not speaking out against it. We are told we are privileged, that every problem is our fault, that masculinity is bad, that our needs and challenges are not important. And while many women are aware of the problem and will acknowledge it in private, it's rare to see any woman speak up about it publicly. It's far more common to see women denying or even justifying it, and that doesn't make us feel great about women.
Some do but I suspect it has always been that way. Men that are not in the top 20% see girls and young women that are beautiful and they want one. Of course for them that not possible and if they dare ask, they get turned down, often rudely so. That upsets them. Furthermore, they resent that they can, t have what far more desirable men have. And, instead of recognizing their inadequacies, they blame the women.
Because they feel bad! Facotrs: Men used to feel value having power over women. Now they don't feel that. Their T levels are lower generally which causes issues (various reasons), they don't feel they have a value. Add lack of socialization, wasting time in video games, lack of good parenting or fathers, lack of self worth, purpose and building success [another driver of T] , the result is bad energy.
I suspect this is one driver of why men primarly go nuts and shoot lots of people, often in side effect, girls or women.
When one no longer cares about life (because they feel awful inside.. emotionally, hormons off), their energy is spite or hate, killing and destroying randomly feels ok to them.
MOST men are not like this. I'd be curious what % hate/dislike women.
Personally, I don't see that so much, I do see insecurity and lack of confidence in some.
The vast majority of men (and I use that term very loosely here) who hate women can be found online, and they are almost without exception failures in life. MGTOW, incel, and men who are on the far left of the political spectrum who claim to be feminists because they think it will help them get laid.
In the real world (i. e. off-line) I hardly ever come across a guy who hates women. It's extremely rare, and I can't recall the last time it happened.
Actually men don't hate or dislike women. Men hate and dislike what women are nowadays. Feminism has taught women to view anything men don't like or agree with in the opposite sex as misogyny, and this mindset in women itself is a form of manipulation and gaslighting. Because they're basically trying to say that something has to be wrong with men or that they have a problem simply because they detest the negative things/behaviors/attitudes about women today.
I think for a lot of women, believing that men hate them is a cheap way of comforting themselves if they can believe that men are the problem and that women don't have to make any changes of their own.
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