Since I am a oder I my answer will be based on how things were before things got to be the way they are now.
Many years ago, as far as dating goes, it was the guys treating the women like shit.
They played horrible mind games with women.
For instance if a guy took you out on a dinner date, he expected to come in and kiss you and take you to bed and have sex with you - because he bought you dinner.
After the date, even though the date was exciting and fun, he never calls you again. Then you'd get on the phone with the girls and try to figure out why he never called again. This could take hours sometimes.
After a few great dates with you, he'd tell you he doesn't want to see you anymore. He says it's him not you. Or they'd say they need sapce. Or they'd say we need to see other people. Almost every guy would do this to women. Then you'd never hear from him again 🤷🏼♀️.
The girls were always left with the decision to have sex with him or not. The quandary was this: if you had sex with him he might call you and want another date with you again. If you didn't have sex with him, more than likely you would never hear from him again. If he did see you again and again and always expected sex and you had sex with him each time, well guess what you've become? Yes! His personal whore, slut, ace in the whole, etc.
Then you'd feel bad about yourself because you really wanted a relationship with him because the two of you always had such a great time together. But that's not what he was thinking. He got another notch in his belt for getting free sex with you, and pretty soon, your silent phone became deafening because he quit calling and you don't know why.
The movie He's just not into you is a movie all about what I am talking about here.
So, as time went on, and the mind games went on with guys, they actually taught us how to start treating them like shit. The tables were turned, and that's what we have today.
Maybe, perhaps just maybe if guys took time to know these women and not just jump into the sack with her, things might have never become like they are now.
Women just got sooo burned out with being used just for sex that they've turned the tables on the guys. They had to, otherwise they would all be just like prostitute's but not getting paid.
So, there you have it. I lived through it, my friends lived through it - we survived their cruel mind games!!!838 Reply- +1 y
Or,... instead of choosing to stoop to their level and treat the guys like shit like they've been treating you,... you could instead just protect your own interests and not have sex with any of them.
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@Jamie05rhs right 👍. I am virgin by choice albeit I am from Pakistan but here also some girls do hooking up a lot but I chose not to do it @sage2021
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@AmeerX yes my boyfriend is a nice guy for example i just Love and adore him
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@Jamie05rhs sadly, that's true. I mean I did rather marry and settle then wait for perfection.
Perfection is the enemy of a good plan. - +1 y
@AmeerX I didn't say anything about "perfect.". I'm just talking about "not shitty."
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LIFE IS LIKE SEX, THE MORE YOU PUT IN THE MORE YOU GET OUT!
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@Jamie05rhs James what is wrong with them? I personally would have gone shopping for one if they were available in the marketplace. Compare them with girls in my country and you will find them less shitty
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@AmeerX What is wrong with who?
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@exitseven Now you have my curiosity up. What games did the girls play?
Of course there is 17 years between us, so that may account for the difference. The girls you were with may have been when things started getting turned around like I mentioned and the girls started giving what the guys did to us back to them. Perhaps that was the time you are speaking of. Because the girls I grew up with didn't play any games. We just waited for him to call. Sitting by the phone... and waiting. ☎️ - +1 y
@Jamie05rhs what's wrong with Western girls.
@sage2021 girls are no longer that much into waiting for someone. They keep triple backups in my country at least - +1 y
Well two wrongs don’t make a right. I don’t disagree that there are asshole men out there. However being a piece of shit to one guy just because a different guy mistreated you isn’t justified.
But there is a deeper issue with “ Maybe, perhaps just maybe if guys took time to know these women and not just jump into the sack with her, things might have never become like they are now.”
Well many years ago men had to court women for marriage. Birth control was rudimentary or non existent. If he had sex with her he risked getting her pregnant. Social norms years ago pressured him to marry her if that was the case. But the 60s came along with feminism and birth control. In the long run it screwed up things for both women and men in exchange for short term benefits.
However there is also another swept under the rug major conundrum men face if they don’t make a move. In an ideal world the man would get to the know the woman first and wait on sex. But “modern” women get bored with that chivalry. What happens when she gets bored? She friendzones him (and sex will never happen) and quickly jumps in the sack with someone else. The well meaning guy is left feeling like complete shit. He just invested all his time, effort, hope, probably money, etc. doing the so called “right thing” only to have her get bored and view him like he’s another woman. Most well meaning guys have had this unfortunate experience once or twice in their lives. It’s the worst thing possible when it does happen.
So men feel pressured to make a move NOT just for gratification but to “make a statement” about where they stand. Im not saying it’s the right choice. It’s not. But men are often between a rock and hard place on this. - +1 y
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Well many years ago men had to court women for marriage. Birth control was rudimentary or non existent. If he had sex with her he risked getting her pregnant. Social norms years ago pressured him to marry her if that was the case. But the 60s came along with feminism and birth control. In the long run it screwed up things for both women and men in exchange for short term benefits.
oh this reminded me of Lemon Popsicles movie
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@sage2021 If a girl is pretty and willing to date, her phone will ring if she is a virgin and refuses to have sex. I have never had sex and I am not going to for the next few year unless I am engaged and I get asked. Maybe after age 22, if I'm not married. However, until then, I'm not in the least concerned about whether my phone will ring.
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@AmeerX Ohh.
I have told you what is wrong with them. I explained this weeks ago. Lol.
In summary, they have no morals. - +1 y
Everything @blueonblack22 said is 100% CORRECT!!
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@Adaeva You are a smart young lady!
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@Jamie05rhs :/
Well it 🤕hurts. I still like them lol. Why don't they head East )) - +1 y
Y'all she never said virgins don't exist. There will always be exceptions. There will always be people who think ahead. And good for them, really.
Original answer encircles what happens on most cases, probably centred to but not limited to US, or the West she's referring to here. This is very common.
So no we don't hate guys. Guys made us hate them. - +1 y
@anon1903 “ So no we don't hate guys. Guys made us hate them.”
Do you think that is just because of personal experiences? Women have created this hate group called feminism that is well organized, pervasive and actually encourages that. Women making actually make a living from spewing hatred towards men (under the bs pretense of “gender equality”). - +1 y
@blueonblack22 feminism isn't a hate group. It's there to protect us from man's hatred. Get it right.
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@blueonblack22 I am a feminist. I don't hate men. Why? Because so far I haven't had negative experiences with them. It doesn't mean guys are nice, it means I'm not that experienced.
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@blueonblack22 ever heard a woman harass man because she hates him? I can tell you quite a few cases where men as groups felt they should m0lest us, teach us a lesson.
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@anon1903 are these “ where men as groups felt they should m0lest us” teaching at public universities in western countries (while getting paid with tax dollars and in now tax payer funded student loan debt). Are these men getting Hollywood movies roles? Are these men getting quota and order preferential treatment? Are these men getting preferential treatment by western legal systems when it comes to criminal systems and divorce law?
Anyway I don’t know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to an established men’s group that “wants to molest women”. Not even MRAs believe in that.
At best you are talking about some sort obscure of Reddit enclave of extremists that don’t have any real power (nor should they).
QUIT using superlatives about how men generally want to “enslave” and “molest” women or some other nonsense. The vast majority of us don’t think that way at all nor respect anybody who seriously does.
But do remember the feminists marching on my college campus saying “hey hey mister get the fuck off my sister”. And somehow that’s acceptable and “empowerment” to women and totally fine. - +1 y
@blueonblack22 lol I agree with that part.
But do remember the feminists marching on my college campus saying “hey hey mister get the fuck off my sister”. And somehow that’s acceptable and “empowerment” to women and totally fine.
Yeah, women will blurt out things like , all men are pigs etc etc - +1 y
Lol, women just copy us.
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Come on now. You just slept with the ones you wanted to.
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Men for the longest time have given more patience and leeway to women for their “emotional” outbursts. We have been conditioned to not take them seriously hence they get away with saying hateful slangs like “men are trash” and other crap. They can say that bs and get some sort of bullshit wiggle room that “they didn’t mean it” or something like that.
Really how often do you see men especially western men nowadays go around saying “all women belong in the kitchen” or “all women are sluts” or some other crap? Maybe you will find an obscure powerless troll out there or something. But absolutely no organization or prominent man will ever get away with saying that (nor should they).
Anyway bottom line @anon1903 about your quote “where men as groups felt they should m0lest us”.
What you said I take at face value. I take it that you really believe that. I do not give you some sort of fluffy bullshit “sass pass” just because you said that out of your emotions or some nonsense. No I hold you to your word. What you say will be taken seriously and you better be able to be back it up with facts and logic. If you are unable to prove it then it will conclude that was said out of hate. Since you have nothing substantial to back that up it appears as such and it’s NOT okay to go around saying that men when you have no proof.
Either back it up or recant it.
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+1 yHonestly it’s not just men hating women, I’m starting to hate a certain subset of women as well. I’m tired of women acting like they support other women when in reality they really don’t. Most women I have dealt with are very self centered and would screw someone else over at their expense. It’s getting out of control. There are some amazing women for sure too, but they’re most likely not working for corporate America.
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A lot of men are just exhausted from dealing with women.
60 ReplyWhy do some men - more than before - dislike women nowadays? Because of:
- Feminism (no, not just "modern feminism;" literally the entire movement despises men, aka "patriarchy")
- Woke culture
- Simps inflating women's egos, leading to...
- Modern female entitlement and arrogance
- Modern women's mistreatment of men and sh*tting on them constantly (even if they aren't feminists)
- False victimhood and movements like #MeToo
- "I'm a strong independent woman; WHY WON'T A MAN STEP UP TO MARRY ME?" BS
And other things of the like.
While most men don't dislike women, some have had more bad women in their life than others (me included, especially) that have been awful to them or tried to falsely accuse them of things.The same applies to anyone who's been mistreated by the same group of people over time: After enough incidents of mistreatment, you begin to stop trusting the type of people commonly mistreating you. This happens to women who turn into feminists, men who turn into incels, people who turn into racists, and so on. "Hate," or even "dislike," doesn't pop up overnight.
And while it isn't "right," it is somewhat justified in people's minds. Usually, you need some good examples to offset the bad ones. And if you have none, then that person continues to dislike that group of people.
I myself have very few good examples of any good people in my real life; male or female. Hence, my general "pessimism" about people on this site. But I still try not to fall into the same mindset that feminists and incels do.
There are decent women I know on this site, like @Ms_Facesitter, and @Mia-Wallace (when she's not drunk-arguing/fighting with me through DM's), and @@lucy68, and @letuswalkforthedead, and @asakyo and a few others.
But women I know in real life who aren't the feminist type? ... Man, not too many. One of my coworkers is cool. Another Korean woman I know across the country and text with, is cool. And my female friend Taylor, back in the US. And some previous female friends I've had in the past. But as of right now, I only know three good women in real life, versus all of the rest of them. And I don't even hate women (at least, no more than I do the rest of this garbage species.)
I want to be around good people in general. I don't know too many good men, besides my best friend, either...
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Spot on.
+1 yI'm really glad that I grew out of this shit at a young age, but from my perspective, many men are literally raised and conditioned subconsciously to objectify and then hate women as a result. For example, when I was maybe 5, I had lots of close friends who were girls. I was often told by both older men and women "oh you're popular with the ladies", or "is that your girlfriend? You're doing well so young." there are also common phrases, like "you little heartbreaker", or when people would infer that I was going to grow into a successful man because I had girls around me. And they were saying this shit to a 5 year old! There were no comments about the amount of friends I had who were boys by the way.
I learned pretty quickly that my success as a male was reliant on having girls interested in me, and the more the merrier. Fast-forward 11 years or so, and this belief transforms into "I need to obtain women in order to be a man". If you weren't having sex, then you weren't masculine, and a teenager's self-esteem and low cognitive ability will drive them to fulfill this desire without actually thinking of a woman's personality, needs, feelings, or anything, since the teen boy has been taught to use women as tools to achieve manliness and status instead of making real connections and relationships. Like the saying goes, "a lock that opens with every key that's inserted is a broken lock, but a key that opens every lock is a masterkey". Almost every guy will have heard this before, and a large amount believe it too.
There's also the example of how boys are taught that feminine and girly things are beneath them, and how thinking, dressing, or behaving like a girl is weak. Many men hate or at least disrespect "weakness", and that disrespect can carry over to women as well as effeminate men.
And then you have the incels. A lot will have this belief construct, but they aren't getting laid for one reason or another. So they start to hate women, because it is the woman's fault that they aren't achieving their masculine goals, it's the woman's fault they feel depressed and alone, and for everything else that they are deficient in. Because these incels don't understand that their success as men, and as adults, actually comes from inside of them and isn't based on hookup badges and fucking around. So there are these huge groups of guys with no understanding or empathy for women, who feel entitled to women's bodies because that's what they think they need to be men.
Regardless of if a guy is an incel or not, many of us are not normally taught to connect with the female perspective. When you don't understand someone's perspective, you are more likely to judge them and dislike them because of how inflexible you are regarding accepting different views on things.
I don't know about the new generations, but for a lot of millennials and older generations, boys just aren't raised right. I'm really glad that I was in an environment where I could overcome this conditioning pretty young, but I see a lot of my friends and guys in general thinking and behaving like this.
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+1 yWell I would take what teenage boys say too seriously. They still have a lot of time on their hands to still experience the world.
Anyway let me fill you in on a little secret. Most men desire and need to feel respected by women EVEN more than they need sex and intimacy. However there really is a major double standard in modern society brought on by feminism. It works like this:
Women are being told that their emotion is “their truth”. So they should express, indulge and follow whatever emotion they are feeling since that’s supposedly whats best for the world despite the fact their emotion could be harmful to others and/or self sabotaging. Here are two major examples:
1. A woman ghosting someone (usually a romantically interested man) because she’s too selfish and chickenshit to communicate she’s not or no longer interested.
Ghosting is only justified when someone is an obvious threat and/or legitimately did something to harm you (cheating, physical abuse, etc). But many women just indulge their “feeling” of being afraid to communicate and leave the man hanging. This was not that common 15+ years ago. But in modern society it is.
2. A woman unfairly labeling a guy a “creep” when he did nothing wrong other than being socially awkward or unattractive. In many cases the guy might not of even said anything to her. But she indulges “her truth” to someone else’s detriment. And society says she’s justified to do so since because only her feelings matter.
Men on the otherhand do NOT get leeway to allow our negative emotions to control us. We face stiff consequences if we do. We are not allowed to openly express our negative emotions despite being told otherwise. Especially if these emotions are against women. If we do we are at best labeled weak and at worst labeled dangerous, threatening, etc.
So it really comes all down to women getting more leeway to act shitty in modern society while men are being held to a higher and higher standard. Again it’s the lack of respect men get from women NOT rejection that makes so many of us angry.
Mature men understand that attraction isn’t a choice but RESPECT is definitely a choice. And more and more modern women are choosing to disrespect men.
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+1 yHate is such a strong word.
I think the reason why most men don’t like women is due to to much drama,
I have spoken to my share of women and I’ve dated one and all of my experiences have been horrible,
The women I’ve had will start a conversation and about 5 minutes in they ask for money which is a no from me, or they start assuming that because I’m talking to her I instantly want to get her clothes off why can’t I just want to have a decent conversation?
Nearly every women I’ve spoken to starts on about suicide and wanting to die which can get a bit tiresome if you are suicidal you wouldn’t be blasting it all online you would go away somewhere and do it, or you’d go out in public and threaten to jump off a building to get the attention you need to get the help you need, I can’t help you I’m not a therapist so there’s really no point telling me, and it’s not just one woman it was nearly every woman I had ended up like this,
Oh and then there’s the one I dated a right immature, nasty, lying, toxic, narcissist, not saying all women are this way as they’re not but in my experience I’m now avoiding women at least for the foreseeable future as I just can’t stand the drama.20 ReplyMisogyny and Misandry come from the same despicable part of humanity. People such as myself call out both when we see it. Let me ask a question. Again this is something I witnessed. I was within earshot and heard every word spoken. A man sit near a female in a somewhat crowded bar (remember covid social distancing) and simply said hello to her. Then he looked over at me and said hello as well. That female complained to the bartender the man was bothering her and asked him to tell that man to leave. The bartender did, but as he left I settled my tab and told the bartender I will NEVER step foot in that place again. Who was in the wrong that day? Remember I witnessed that horrible scene. There are several reasons men "hate" women. One reason is some men don't respect them. A female is just another notch on the ole six-shooter. There are more, but I want to keep my comment as pithy as I can. What some women see as hatred though is when men such as myself call out their bullshit like that monster with matching chromosomes in that bar. Men are not angels either. I spend the majority of my time trying to teach men to not disrespect females. Just make dang sure before you accuse a male of hating or disliking a female that it is not that same man calling out their bullshit!
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+1 yA lot of guys on here do! GAG seem to be a place for incels and mama's little bitter boys lol
Anyways I feel like on GAG are a lot of guys who have no experience with women and little to know experiences about the real life... what I want to say in the real world and I will say in my country (1st world thing and not a religiously lead place) even the awful guys don't hate on women in the way guys do on here.
I personally have never met an incel in person and I'm really thankful for that🙏🏼
The men that I know from work or walk into on the street are really normal grown educated men🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼644 Reply- +1 y
For the why on here I will say bitterness and insecurity and no brain cell to see the real problem and well tackle it
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Exactly. My boyfriend is also pretty much normal and does not hate on women. He is mature and great. I think men on here are virgins or something
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@CoolCatMar1 that's really great! I'm really happy for you🙏🏼
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Truth.
unfortunately... a lot of people have replaced their idea of the real world, with whatever they see in the online communities/social media - +1 y
@NathanDavis I don't like the fact many guys here think women are all a problem and are only good for sex...
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Thanks Melanieee
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@coolcatmar1 yes, those are the ones I refer to as inadequate males... and you only see them being quite vocal online, and very loud about it because well, that is all they get to experience
they failed themselves, so they fail with women
but out there, in the real world... there are more true men who are capable of having and developing healthy relationships and engaging properly with the other people, like your boyfriend... and so many other real men that do not hate on you out there, simply because they do not have actual reasons to do any of that - +1 y
@NathanDavis exactly
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@AmeerX i never said it's bad but many men here don't have any experience and hate women
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So is mine, but his friend is an actual, real life incel. I don't know why he keeps him around this guy is vocal about how he thinks women are inferior. He at least stopped talking that crap around my fiance because he'll argue back but his friend is a scary dude.
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@Keplerbett You should kill that friend. He's not going to amount to anything and the catharsis is liberating.
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@melanieeeB
Didn't have this level bullshit ten years ago. The Incel market is very lucrative, As was shown with Tate's goofy ass. An ocean teeming with bitter and isolated types desperate for meaning. Then you get random influencer who capitalize on it and build a die hard consumer base. a Personality cult made into a business model. Shit wasn't this bad years ago. - +1 y
Guess what? A lot of women here who also seem to be karens, femininists, straight up misandrsts or femcels. Perhaps that could also be a reason why there are men here who hates women. Women i know in real life aren't like those however just like how you say men you know in real life don't act like men here. It's basically just people online acting differently both men or women and that could also meaning there are people who are nicer on the internet than in real life.
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@Aiko_E_Lara I'm a straight bastard year round, Sir.
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Who are by the way worse
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The double standards are REAL! If a post is about women hating men, he's an a**hole, misogynist, narcissist, cheater, abuser, doesn't care, only cares about sex, etc.
Whereas if a post is about men hating women, he's never had a girlfriend, dated, virgin, can't get laid, and you guessed it... INCEL!
Either way it's a man's fault!
I know I'm exaggerating but we all know about the narratives. - +1 y
@Aiko_E_Lara bro stick with eastern European, Asian, and women from similar nations that don't share these mindsets that selfish, toxic women in western countries have. And I must admit you're very cute 🥺.
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@Asad1ONE1 what is wrong with you? Have you even met Asian girls? I am from South Asia and I assure you you're way over your head if you think Western girls are worse. They are much much better than you realize. I am not exaggerating. I am telling you are misinformed if you think girls from Asia are better. Compared to Western Europe Eastern European girls are traditional. But Asians, no way get out of here if you think Asians are better 🤣
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Im not even generalizing here. Bitches and genuine women comes from all nations.
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NathanDavis agreed🙏🏼
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And there should be more women out there who actually support that idea instead of whining about it seeing it as a patriarchal misogynistic movement.
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@Aiko_E_Lara good point
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The real thing they offer them is an excuse not to improve themselves. - +1 y
@Aiko_E_Lara I agree 💯% Women are selfish in their thoughts. Well part of me also feels sorry for them. God says to respect women for a reason. He knows what they're going through. They may definitely have it worse than us. More than we ever could. Life is short for a reason and so we should just respect them no matter what. We should be proud to be men and to be held to higher standards.
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@Asad1ONE1 You agreed on an idea that isn't what's in my mind. And no i don't think women have to go through more than men and your idea of them being selfish. It comes from both genders
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@Asad1ONE1 I am from Europe, not America
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@Aiko_E_Lara you should agree that they are selfish because I only hear of women mocking incels, when there are just as many (probably even more) female incels.
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Is that suppose to be an obligation? Pff no thanks.
1.4K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. You're mistaking indifference for hate. Many men today simply don't value women because most women (in western society today) have little to no value. These women think life is all about sex and try to use sex/sexual attraction to get various perks but then they have a problem when it doesn't work for them exactly how they want or if guys tune them out. There's a reason why feminists call it 'empowering' when a pop star dresses like a desperate hooker & gets male attention just for how she looks & dances. I see one respondent to your question who is a 60+ year-old woman saying that men used to treat women poorly and basically blaming men for women's complaints/problems today. What a joke. A lot of these women never want to take responsibility for their own actions. Not every woman was 'easy' or gave guys things just because the guy wanted it. Some had standards and they were the ones who also ended up with higher quality dudes. By the way, very few men on earth will take a woman seriously if all she has to offer is sex. If she has nothing else to offer that's HER fault for not bothering to invest in having more.
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+1 yI mean, to the extent this is true, the first question that should pop in your head should be "why do men hate or dislike women?"
I'm not saying it's true
Some women will be quick to answer and say
"It's because we have more opportunity and men can't stand that!"
"Men can't stand having equal power to women, that's why."
Or
"Men can't handle a powerful independent woman because they aren't REAL men."
I've heard a variety of these answers and their variations.
A form of deflection from legit introspection into oneself.
We don't usually want to believe WE are the problem so we look elsewhere to blame.
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Elaborate please
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Well, it is interesting because women are not the same everywhere.
My perspective is American women
Maybe men have more positive things to say about women in France, Italy, Greece, and elsewhere?
You're from Greece, so I actually don't know what to say for you. The culture and overall society there is most likely different than here, especially when it comes to certain topics.
1K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. I think because a lot of guys don´t spend with women on a regular basis. There is also the mystery going on if guys and women could be friends without being into each other.
So since guys don´t spend time with girls they get their picture of women either from guys that do or from the internet.
The problem that both portray women mainly as your picture shows the female, as someone that´s complaining, entitled and needy but rarely as kind or caring.
That way guys live with a perception of women that makes them avoid women even more. The guys that break out of this circle do like women they are just not heard online since they spend their attention on a woman in their life.31 Reply- 3.4K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
+1 yBecause female entitlement, false victim mindsets, and insane arrogance and expectations have finally worn on our last nerves.
Men bring most to the table in a relationship and yet women think they are the prize because “vagina” there is never anything else.
They act like spoiled brat children and victims any time they have to take accountability.
They falsely accuse men of everything any time they need to get sympathy or take responsibility for poor choices.
They blame men for everything and refuse to accept any negative truth about themselves.
They have essentially removed any and all value they had as partners.
You can blame feminism for most of it, but generally the vast populous of females things the same way.84 Reply- +1 y
Okay okay and you men are angels... Yeah😹
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And also if you think all women are bad you are wrong
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You realize at no point did I say men were angels you asked why men have a problem with women, and I told you why men have a problem with women. If you had an asked me why women have a problem with men I would’ve answered that question.
I also at no point said all women. When you don’t specifically say the words all something, the concept of general terms is assumed by 99.9% of people in the English language. - +1 y
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+1 y1) because they say “females”
2) because they make generalizations about “women”
3) they use the b word
4) talk about “gold diggers”
5) they talk about how women have left them lonely
6) they talk about how they can’t “get” sex without paying for it
7) they talk about “getting” women
8) they talk about hit their depression would be fixed if they could “have” a girlfriend
9) they ask questions like “how can we get hot girls to have sex with ugly guys who are trying their best”20 Reply- 2.6K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
m +1 ythere are not the men though...
real men are not immature, insecure nor inadequate...
if you make to your 20's to 50's disliking or hating women... is because you failed yourself as a person, and then you just take it on all women as a wholeas simple as that
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a true man is worth of better and best
and a true men does not go through this... even if bad experiences, a true man is worth and also capable of finding otherwise - +1 y
inadequate males is more accurate... for those who hate women like that, of which there is many and plenty here at G@G
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Willing to bet the 2 people that disliked this (at the time of my commenting) are the very dudes you speak of
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@Sirenboobzilla definitely so... and that's as much as they will do as well, since they know better... lol
It seems to come only from keyboard warriors who spend too much time on the internet. Fortunately I rarely come across them in real life, and when I do, their bitterness isn’t directed only towards women. They’re just bitter people who are mad at the world.
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When angry in person (without the screen) they are very nasty people.
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exactly...
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u +1 y@NathanDavis. Somewhere on the top of Mount Crumpet, they all live lol
+1 yBecause a lot of todays men grew up accustomed to winning all the time. Mom and/or dad would plow whatever and whomever out of the way for their little boy. Failure is always seen as weak and undesirable. What people dont get is that learning from failure and rejection is what makes a man.
So what we get instead are boys in grown up bodies, having little to no actual life experience. They become incredibly upset and discouraged when they find out they aren't number one. I see it every day in the professional sector. So many boys giving up because they are easily offended or cannot bring themselves to be better.
Gone are the days where a man can accept a womans rejection with grace. What women get now are whiny man bitches who gripe everytime a woman turns them down despite their perceived "niceness"
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+1 yI don't think it's true that all men hate or dislike all women, but there is definitely a lot of anger among men today. Men are just tired of being shit on by society and women not speaking out against it. We are told we are privileged, that every problem is our fault, that masculinity is bad, that our needs and challenges are not important. And while many women are aware of the problem and will acknowledge it in private, it's rare to see any woman speak up about it publicly. It's far more common to see women denying or even justifying it, and that doesn't make us feel great about women.
30 ReplySome do but I suspect it has always been that way. Men that are not in the top 20% see girls and young women that are beautiful and they want one. Of course for them that not possible and if they dare ask, they get turned down, often rudely so. That upsets them. Furthermore, they resent that they can, t have what far more desirable men have. And, instead of recognizing their inadequacies, they blame the women.
20 Reply744 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Actually men don't hate or dislike women. Men hate and dislike what women are nowadays. Feminism has taught women to view anything men don't like or agree with in the opposite sex as misogyny, and this mindset in women itself is a form of manipulation and gaslighting. Because they're basically trying to say that something has to be wrong with men or that they have a problem simply because they detest the negative things/behaviors/attitudes about women today.
I think for a lot of women, believing that men hate them is a cheap way of comforting themselves if they can believe that men are the problem and that women don't have to make any changes of their own.
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+1 yBecause they feel bad! Facotrs: Men used to feel value having power over women. Now they don't feel that. Their T levels are lower generally which causes issues (various reasons), they don't feel they have a value. Add lack of socialization, wasting time in video games, lack of good parenting or fathers, lack of self worth, purpose and building success [another driver of T] , the result is bad energy.
I suspect this is one driver of why men primarly go nuts and shoot lots of people, often in side effect, girls or women.
When one no longer cares about life (because they feel awful inside.. emotionally, hormons off), their energy is spite or hate, killing and destroying randomly feels ok to them.
MOST men are not like this. I'd be curious what % hate/dislike women.
Personally, I don't see that so much, I do see insecurity and lack of confidence in some.
00 Reply The vast majority of men (and I use that term very loosely here) who hate women can be found online, and they are almost without exception failures in life. MGTOW, incel, and men who are on the far left of the political spectrum who claim to be feminists because they think it will help them get laid.
In the real world (i. e. off-line) I hardly ever come across a guy who hates women. It's extremely rare, and I can't recall the last time it happened.
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@Ryfyle Yes, those soy-drenched hipster men on the far Left who like to waffle on about how they're "so into equality", when their real motives for pretending to be feminists are as transparent as glass. They're weak, skinny, and can't compete with real men (and know it), and so they hope that by being a doormat and living in the friend-zone they'll eventually get laid one day.
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+1 yIts like this. You have a group of men that have treated women like shit, then you group of men that have treated women with the utmost respect and fought for their rights. Then women have lumped those good men in with the bad men. Now “ALL MEN” are shit. Dragging men through the mud, using men for whatever, like the bad men use women. However, most women (greater than 85%) try to destroy all men because they have vendetta and hold on to all of there grudges. but then women end up doing all of that and then complaining that there aren’t good men, while the good men they complained about what to help them but aren’t anything close to what they want. Sooo, it’s a vicious cycle.
Hate isn’t the right word tho, it’s more of a man doing his own thing. Since women want to be some type of way, most “good” men are tired of being treated like trash and lumped in with the men that are shit.12 Reply- +1 y
Okay..
400 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Every great culture is born, grows, thrives, and declines. Among the symptoms of decline are confused relations between men and women, a form of feminism, a rapacious elite, and declining birth rate. The West is in profound decline. Our elite are incredibly self-serving and, for the sake of their own enrichment and political control, have actively promoted strife between the sexes. Second wave feminism was actually a CIA operation, with Steinem and others on the CIA payroll. This has led to a situation that is no picnic for common men or women, with plenty of resentment to go around. I suggest that resentment should be redirected toward the elite. Clear them out!
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+1 yThey don’t. Those few folks are just the loudest.
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+1 yYou women have earned every bit of angst you are getting and more. Why? Just peruse Tik Thot and other social media and it will all become evident.
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Tiktok and only fans isn't for me... Anf i dislike women who try to sell their body online... I think they deserve better
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@KrakenAttackin That’s the kind of crowd TikTok attracts though. Its not that surprising really, it’s like going on Tinder and wondering why people are only looking for hookups, or going to a bar and wondering why so many people are drunk.
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I don’t do frequent any of those places by the way lol. @coolcatmar1 on that same token places like gag and Reddit seem to attract men who are angry or frustrated with women and vice versa.
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@whirled_up_girl you think so?
If you're speaking from personal experience I would say you need to hang out with a better class of man.
If you're speaking of a general, social/culture 'vibe' then I can only say that people crave attention. Even negative attention is good.
So trolls will say inflammatory things for that attention. You can scroll through twenty posts about the virtues of women and the 21st can be "Back in the kitchen!" and that is the one you will remember.
It's not even particularly indicative of their own views half the time. They just say it to say it.11 Reply- +1 y
Generally speaking yes
+1 yIt feels like both men and women hate each other these days. There are lots of reasons but the biggest are feminism and MGTOW. It's a vicious cycle of gender based hatred that gets worse all the time.
40 ReplyI think because a lot of those men don't actually like women, they just want to use them. I can only imagine how conflicting it must be to want something that you don't actually value. You can tell because they will use words like girl, feminine and pussy as degrading insults...
10 ReplyFrom what I've seen on GaG a lot of it comes from the stereotype of man hating feminist and the rise of more feminism. A lot of you girls are right when you say some men dont have experience with girls. I've been abused by a girl but that didn't cause me to dislike girls because of one bad apple.
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+1 yBecause a few feminazis ruined their view of us. Much the same way as we'll date a stupid one then blame their entire sex for being shit.
In all fairness though, being girls we get away with a loooooooooot of stuff that we shit in them for20 Reply
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Hahhahaha YESSSS
I don't hate. But I am cautious. I don't walk up to women I don't know unless there are others around to witness. Most women are okay, but you just never know if you have a mad and bitter one waitng to destroy your life, simply because you're a man.
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+1 yA lot of men don't hate women the only one who hate are the ones who ain't getting any or choose hoes as their girls...
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+1 ySeem makes it highly subjective, so why do you think all men dislike all women? There isn't a quick or simple answer, but I believe that kicking fathers out of the family which deprives children of an example of a man who remained in the picture is an important factor. Girls get to see the type of man they should select for, and boys get to see the type of man they should be.
00 ReplyI don’t hate women but them always being competitive and trying to be men is so tiring that I can’t even stand being friends with them.
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Glad i am feminine and am not trying to be masculine. I like being the "weaker" one and my boyfriend being more career oriented and trying to be a provider. Of course i work too
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But men do it better
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Okay
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Wait
2.9K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. I know quite a few men and none of them dislike women I is just the opposite . You have met some guys that couldn't get a date if their lives depended on it. It made them bitter
20 Reply1K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. I don't think it is so much hating women, it's just the drama and all of the walking on a tightrope now a days.
Can we say this, is this allowed anymore? Stuff changes what we can do or say halfway through the day.
Be polite and hold a door open for a woman as I was taught by my parents, and I'm a chauvinist, don't hold it open and I'm being rude.
After a while I just give up, life is too short. (women) Figure it out and put it in a memo so we know.00 Reply1K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Because feminism has made many women annoying, traditional women tend to be better.
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s +1 yincels on the internet… it’s not like that much in real life.
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+1 yI don’t know why you feel that way. I think guys are more just tired of getting crap all the time and being framed for everything.
20 ReplyIo think it's due to media and nothing else 😁. I mean I really enjoy talking to women especially if they are friendly and not toxic feminist. I mean I did get heart breaks but I don't pin it on the other half
20 ReplyI don’t hate women. I’m married to a wonderful one 👍🙂❤️
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Cool😌
+1 yI would say that they guys that are actually dating women and love women are too busy to be online so you are left the guys that have never been with a woman and have lots of free time to be online and hate on women.
20 ReplyBecause of social changes, en and women live different lifestyles, apart of each other
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I did understand
321 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. It is not hate it is indifference, we have been told since well before #METOO to 'leave women alone', and when we do we are accused of hating or disliking women, is it any wonder that now we see indifference as our best option and have decided to leave the chasing to women.
00 Reply8.8K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Because u spend too much time online looking at comments from men that do making it seem like thats most when it's not
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+1 yI don't think they do. It's just an overly vocal minority who never mentally matured past the toddler stage.
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and an online at that... in the real world, you will rarely see them or hear them go like that
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@NathanDavis not really. There was a Tiktok trend where students would record Andrew Tate fanboys going on sexist rants in the middle of class. They're everywhere, but they aren't vocal about it unless they feel empowered. Men like Tate, FreshNFit and even Sneako are empowering them.
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@Keplerbett TikTok is not the real word...
TikTok is just another social media where a lot of immature guys go do stupid things
just like that time when the kids in there were eating tide PODS, remember? in the media it all seemed to be like we lost an entire generation all across the world over detergent
but in the real world... we're still 8 billion in population and things are fine really, regarding to detergent anyway - +1 y
Good thing women like you are here to correct us.
+1 yWomen are the exact same way towards men. The only difference is men are held accountable for everything they say and do. The truth is hate against men is applauded as "empowerment". The fact there is a "Kill all men podcast" is proof enough that there is no difference in that the hate goes both ways but there is a double standard on how it is handled.
00 ReplyMaybe it has something to do with all the man hate that's going around. Can't even say hi anymore without being called something negative.
Females and society have can say and do whatever they want to guys but it's misogynistic if a guy sticks up for himself and he'll get cancelled but females can do illegal shit to guys, brag about it and keep their jobs.
Of course this shits going to breed hate.
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+1 yMen that are misogynistic and patriarchal in their mindset can't stand that women are standing up for themselves. Myself, I greatly respect women and am friends with more women than men.
20 Reply because it seems like they do, especially with what you see/read/watch on the internet
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plus it's just a response to feminism where men like to claim that men are now being oppressed or discriminated against because of quotas or equal opportunity policies, they like to pretend to have the higher ground when most arguments are hypocritical, and they try and hide behind generalisations because maybe one woman rejected them
Many night clubs let ladies in for free. Why do you suppose that is?
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We have a Discrimination law in CA called the Unruh Act that makes it illegal to discriminate on gender among other things. It is an old law that seems to work fairly well. I and some other guys sued a lot of nightclubs about 10 years ago for charging us and letting women in for free. We won nearly every case and most of the clubs stopped doing it.
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Here is the original case that led to the Unruh Act - I don't think the sponsors of this law thought mn would use it - just women. The were very wrong in that.
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Honestly, I am unsure. don't have time to look it up right now. I found this:
The Unruh Civil Rights Act (California Civil Code Section 51) provides protection from discrimination by all business establishments in California, including housing and public accommodations, because of age, ancestry, color, disability, national origin, race, religion, sex and sexual orientation.
+1 yThey only hate the mean ones. And if they hate Us instead, THEY're the mean ones.
40 ReplyMen who have been rejected by women a lot of times and expect a lot rather than working on themselves, who complain a lot , hate and dislike women. Such men have low moral values and fail to understand what a wonan is really looking for.
01 ReplyMen and women hate each other. Men hate women because we’re gold diggers. Women hate men because they seem see men as rapists.
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Pretty much. That is an accurate assessment, I think.
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@Jamie05rhs lol, no that's notaccurate. Sasha why think of men as rapists? I mean gold diggers are a reality but do you think you are a gold digger?
Stop thinking of it so extremely
668 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Some of us call them out on misogynistic views. They like to punish all of us for that.
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+1 yMany do. Many also nosh animals that have feelings. Men have many disagreements with women, but that’s not the same thing as hating.
10 Reply1K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. I don’t hate or dislike women nor does any of the men I associate with. Perhaps it’s the younger generation of men who dislike women.
21 Reply7.3K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. They don't. In the real world, most men do just fine with women.
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+1 yThere are a handfull of verry loud people on the internet who appear to be the majority or a bigger group.
00 Reply Cause most women seem to treat most men like shit. They tend to have some problem with me but they won't spit it out either, it has to me a secret.
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