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Objectification is a word that needs clarification. It needs specific examples to discuss which ones are positive and which are negative.
For example, is it objectification to appreciate the human form in art or in real life?
If I admire a cute stranger from afar, am I objectifying her?
If the first thing that I'm attracted to in a potential date is her appearance, is that objectification?
Are people objectifying themselves by making themselves look appealing?
I could wax poetic about how much I love the female form. It's biological and there is nothing to be ashamed of.
I don't think objectification kicks in until there is interaction. It's wanting to use a person's body like a plaything without any concern for their thoughts, feelings or humanity. But I don't see a problem with admiring a woman's face, boobs, legs, curves or ass. I love the fact that women do the same thing when it comes to guys. It's what makes sex wonderful.
Simple because as men we are visual creatures. A woman has to be beautiful, gorgeous and physically appealing to our eyes and senses.
That being said it is subjective as to each man as to what his definition of physical appeal and beauty is. However, it depends on the fact as to how a man is, how his attitude and thought process are. If he is a man who really wants and desires a woman as a companion, meaning he wants an exclusive relationship then he won't see the woman as an object.
However, if the man is a playboy then he will see the woman as an object.
About the hate for women?
Well, men hate many things that women do. For eg playing mind games like playing hard to get, jealousy card, comparing with other men and if she has any other character defects.
Most women have been disrespectful to me so it's hard to give them respect back, it's just that simple, based on my anecdotal evidence.
They claim to be less shallow, to not objectify us but that's bs, they go for the fit men, it's no wonder men who got fit just so women would talk to them have lost respect for them.
And it dosent help that every woman of every size thinks they are a 10, that makes it hard to "play in your league" when the average 4s,5s, and 6s think they are 9s and 10s and deserve more than the average guy.
Tho I will admit some of the women with inflated egos that think they are way better than they are, they are products of all the horny, lonely desperate simps and incels. Like on this site for example, I don't care what woman shares a pic, there will be at least 1 or 2 guys telling her she's a 10 no matter what, so some egotistical women are made by horny men.
In many ways men who objectify women is less critical than women who have a list of all kinds of requirements that their men have. Other than requiring women to be pretty, men are pretty accepting of people's hobbies or flaws, whereas women aren't. Men start hating women because they're sick of women giving them suspicious looks when men go up to talk to them, whereby the woman doesn't treat them like an individual, just a beast who reminds them negatively of their ex.
I see you bro
So so true. Glad a woman understands this
Most men don't hate women. Your premise is false.
Objectify? They kind of do it to themselves. How many strippers, sexy models, OnlyFans, porns stars, thongs, low cut tops, tight short skirts could their be in one world.
Women wear this crap and do these things in droves.
It is an endless cycle. Men would be less apt to give the attention to the women and pay the money and "consume" the product if women weren't objectifying themselves and showing it all off and giving it all away. Women could end it. It is women's fault.
Women wouldn't be so apt to get naked and sexy if men didn't shower them with attention and pay money and buy the product. If no one went to strip clubs and paid for prostitutes and Onlyfans and didn't get any attention to half dressed girls they may dress more modestly and not be sex workers and half naked models. It is men's fault.
It is a viscous cycle.
ps - As I stated, most men don't "hate" women. I would say, however, that more and more men have given up and are repulsed by a lot of today's western, "modern" women.
Most guys wanting a long term mate and marriage and something serious will avoid the "modern" woman and her Instagram page of 200 half naked pictures and the 1,000 male followers that DM her all the time and her OnlyFans prostitute page, her drunk girl's nights out at the clubs, their 3 day clubbing Vegas bachelorette parties, their careers come before anything else in their lives, them considering marriage and family as oppression and her career is the most important thing in life and she has to be empowered sexually and have high body counts. They are free to do whatever they want... if that makes them happy. However, when looking for a serious long term relationship and a wife and/or a mom for kids. Modern, western women aren't a catch.
Instinct. Males have any species go for the most attractive female they can find. Be it cats dogs deer birds fish reptiles itās nature. This is why women use to wear long dresses for centuries, So men werenāt objectifying their bodies, and could get to know when better. Men are visual creatures. Women who dress scantily will attract the male gaze and make us what to have sex with them rather then get to know them on a personal level where normal dress will allow that to happen. (Not saying women canāt where pants but when they hug your ass men stare)
Objectifying is not hate. Hate certainly is certainly not objectifying. However you might hate being objectified. Two very different words with two different meanings should not made synonyms as you are essentially are doing or conflated so that one means the other. It is just plain misbegotten thinking.
If by objectifying you mean men like looking at women that is precisely true. Men also analytically break down women's bodies. I might like your breasts and fairly much ignore everything else. Another man might like your legs and ignore everything else. A third might like your ass and ignore everything else.
Your sons will like looking at womens bodies and will prefer different aspects. That is a certainty. You might bludgeon them into not admitting to it but they will.
It isn't hate.
I don't think objectification and hate are really hand in hand here.. Most men don't hate women and in fact prefer to be around women than other men.. I don't know if you go out much or anything, but men and women get alone just fine.. In fact if you go to clubs you'll see how crazy women can be..
Also what do you even mean by objectification? Finding women attractive and checking them out? Liking specific body parts? If so women do all of that as well.. I honestly can't believe this question was asked.. LOL.. This is definitely feminist like..
I donāt hate women at all. I think the āobjectificationā is really primal at its core. I am fascinated watching people and all forms of life mate, select partners, and court. In many forms, itās about creating what would be the most successful offspring. Looking at women as attractive potential mates may be objectifying, however I think it is mostly non-intentional and always searching for ways to promote the continuation of their genes. I have admired many women for their physical beauty and looks. However, as for selecting a life-long mate, it goes deeper.
There's a few issues here.
1st if you find someone attractive is it objectifocation? Guys are visual creatures they see sexy, if you see someone who is sexy is recognizing this fact an act of objectivism? It seems that it is. Yet that is how guys are attracted.
Im not sure that this comes from hate. I think its more a profound misunderstanding of how each gender interacts with the world around them. Somehow there has been a push to force men into unnatural roles. Its literally fem-splaining the male experience.
hahaha, those dudes tend not to be the "self-aware type". The guys who objectify women would rarely self-identify. They don't see themselves that way.
Omg yeah im starting to notice that big time on here. Half these guys don't even know what objectify means let alone would say that they treat women that way even tho I've seen them on other post here on GaG objectifying women over and over again
Iām sorry but women wear tight or skimpy or barely any clothing and if a man looks heās objectifying herā¦ come on now, if women truly want men to stop objectifying them they need to stop objectifying themselves as well just saying 🤷āāļø
Nah men need to learn to control themselves. It's rude to creepily stare down others regardless of what they are wearing
Exactly. And women live being looked at because they want us so much. Any other claim is a lie.
@Brainsbeforebeauty Truth!
Objectification is in a women's eye , i am not sure who coined that i don't think men objectify women.
But they do adore, exajurate and are obsessed by the female beauty mostly due to the curves and figure.
Lol bees die to have sex with a queen bee.
Female insects eat out male insects after mating.
I think maoe species in itself by nature has been chosen to be such way.
And hate , i don't know there could N number of reasons one would hate someone you don't have to be even a women to be hated
you mistakenly equate two different issues as if one means the other, yet they mean completely different things. the objectifying is partly due to male minds being more visual. the hatred can stem from many things such as that individual may have been mistreated by a woman or women, some are born with some sort of hatred like that, some are brought up in an enviroment where being like that is/was a/the norm, and/or looking at society at large the way it is now. there are other temote or one off reasons possible too.
women objectify themselves more than we do to them. why do you think stuff like Porn, Strip Clubs, OnlyFans and these types of things exist?
my grandma, mom, and all the female members of my family encouraged me to objectify women from the start of my childhood. they would tell me that that is what "real men" do and outside my family was no damn different, in fact 99% of the women I've come across either enjoyed being objectified or competed to be objectified.
oh and dont get me started on how the men who objectify women are usually the ones who are the most successful with women, I wonder why.
so to sum it all up, women only have a problem with sexual objectification when it works against them.
I love this question!! ā¤ļø Iām sure you know my thoughts and where i stand on this. But it is really interesting to read some of the opinions!!
@Apple1996 it is a pretty frustrating subject!!
Def is frustrating. I get that not all men are like hateful directly towards women but a lot seem to have some hate when in private like to other men and online
Oh yeah I mean I think most of us have some hate just in the way this society has almost made it illegal to approach woman. But like you said there is still so much just inappropriate mindsets and and views about woman that so many men have and so many who go above that to make woman feel uncomfortable in their skin. It is just sad to me!
There are types of guys who do that, players and so on but there are plenty of men who want an intimate emotional connection.
I have taken my lovers seriously and showed them the respect and love they deserved most of the time.
I enjoy sex and think it's what makes romance even exists through an evolutionary perspective, so it has its place. However, the emotional connection is my primary focus.
Why do women objectify men? Where does the hate for men come from, this is a more legitimate question as there is a lot more objectification and hatred towards men but of course there's the double standard rule that makes it all perfectly fine to do. There isn't a single platform I can go on any day without seeing "all men must die" and "shirtless male celebrity" posts or videos.
But you're right, only men can do bad because we are inherently evil.
An no I don't hate anyone not even females, I don't have enough room or life in me to care about carrying hate on my soul, I just don't care for or trust any person.
Studies/evidence shows society as a whole objectifies women.
Women objectify women.
I saw a source saying BOTH men and women see women as individual pieces or can segment women based on her body parts.
BOTH men and women see men as a whole.
I get that but I'm asking specifically men why they do this since they are the ones that are suppose to like women
If BOTH men and women objectify women, it seems more of a cause of biology or evolution.
I can give you link to the source if you want as it is interesting.
Have you ever noticed how men can fetishize or focus in on specific parts of a woman's body?
Or how a man can detach body and personality from a woman?
For women, generally, it's the reverse.
Everything is attached.
I've never heard of a woman having sex with a man because he has a nice butt.
Or an entire realm of women who fetishize men's feet.
You get me? I'm certain you've noticed this difference.
Eh women have fetishes over body parts too so I don't really see men and women as too different with that
It's not really a thing, even though I know you like to bring out exceptions to try to disprove the generalities I also tell you lol šš
For example, if I tell you men have more testosterone than women and are usually taller and stronger
You will say
"But I know this girl who is taller, stronger, and has more testosterone."
I donāt have any hate for women at all that I know of. I donāt hang out with a lot of guys and donāt read a lot of their post on here. So I can not say why.
If I ever give off that vibe you have my permission to slap me sillyā¦.
Nah you come off as very nice