Women with whom they’ve been friends for years and flirted a lot with? Do they just not see you that way, do they fear losing a good friendship? What’s the story? I’ve heard of this happening to other women, it happened to me once and I’m genuinely puzzled.
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+1 yGuys get scared because it's hard wired into our DNA. If you hit on the wrong woman back in the day you could get your head chopped off by the village leader. Our brains haven't caught up yet with the times and is trying to protect us by giving us that FEAR which isn't warranted.
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@Sonorous
I suffered a traumatizing experience after a guy that i liked lied to me he was interested in dating me so he can use me for sex. We spoke everyday for 4 months. He was my best friend who i told all my secrets. At the end, i didn't matter a single thing to him. All the hearts and kisses he sent me meant nothing to him - +1 y
@Sonorous
I felt like i was raped but it wouldn't fit under the literal definition of rape
Its like you were tricked into buying something defective that costed a thousand dollars, the asshole seller is nowhere to be found. But yet you can't report it to the police because it doesn't fall under the legal definition of robbery. But yet, you feel robbed. - +1 y
@Sonorous
women have 2 choices:
either face the consequence and find love
OR
95% of men will be off limits to you because no woman wants to date without sex.
this is the reality.
Nobody would marry for just sex. But men are highly sexual beings... they will lose interest in you if you dont have sex with him - +1 y
@nastyb
I'm sure many people have felt that way about their situation. But if we want a guarantee of different outcomes, it only makes sense to change the fundamentals of how we approach certain things. So what if those guys go to others. You've eventually find a guy who isn't like that. And he might be more worth it since it takes certain good qualities to have restraint in that way. And the guy will likely value you more than other girls since you're not just putting out for dudes you met less than a year ago. 🤣
I think we can both agree that men doing shitty things to women is bad. It's an extremely hard thing to navigate since there are so many unforeseen causes for certain behaviors to spring out of humans. And men have propensities to certain modes of behavior. But I'm only saying that it would be a step in the right direction if more women were to save themselves for marriage. Heck, it would even stabilize society more in my opinion. & create better environments for children to properly grow up in (since we live in this type of civilization). - +1 y
@Sonorous
Its more complicated than that. Sometimes the guy who has restraint, isn't the one that yoy have chemistry with.
[And the guy will likely value you more than other girls since you're not just putting out for dudes you met less than a year ago]
Guys actually value a girl less if she doesn't sleep around. They like low body count in theory but they would never be able to date a girl with low body count. Why? Well because they won't go past the 3rd date with a girl who doesn't put out. Low body count girls dont put out. - +1 y
@nastyb
Then just wait until you meet a guy like that you do have chemistry with. 🤣 I mean this whole thing is to prevent being taken advantage right? Unless chemistry matters more than possibly being taken advantage of¿
"Guys actually value a girl less if she doesn't sleep around."
^ As a guy, I heavily disagree. Even many guys I've been around will say they disagree. Usually only sleazy guys are like that. A small subset of the human population. Usually, guys don't mind if the girl has slept around but most definitely wouldn't require the girl to have slept around more unless they just want the girl for her sexual skills. Seems like you've gotta change environments if these are the types of guys you're getting involved with... - +1 y
@Sonorous
[Then just wait until you meet a guy like that you do have chemistry with.]
what if I never meet a guy who "has restraint" and also "have chemistry with"?
you're talking as if every girl will meet the perfect guy who has everything... he won't sleep around, we also have the best chemistry. Often times the guy who has restraint isn't the one that I have chemistry with... Often times the guys I have chemistry with... do not have restraint. This is the reality.
[As a guy, I heavily disagree. Even many guys I've been around will say they disagree. Usually only sleazy guys are like that. A small subset of the human population.]
i think every man would prefer a girl who doesn't sleep around.
but reality is... how is a guy who can't keep his dick in his pants past the 3rd date ever going to be able to sustain a relationship with a girl who has low body count since she refuses to have sex? - +1 y
@Sonorous
[Seems like you've gotta change environments if these are the types of guys you're getting involved with...]
you can go to any modern city in the US, no man will ever go beyond the 3 months of dating without sex. the only places where men don't expect women to put out are tiny, all white, conservative towns near the country side where everyone still goes to church on sundays. Realistically... being a gentleman is a thing of the past. - +1 y
In regards to being hard wired i can agree despite you not specifying exactly what. What hapoens is the stress that comes from interaction with women is that we lose slight brain function and thus become "dumber". There is no evidence however to the dynamics of the example you gave in regard to its relation with natural selection. Evolution happens withing a wider time frame than the socio-cultural pehomenon you mentioned.
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@nastyb
"what if I never meet a guy who "has restraint" and also "have chemistry with"?"
^ If you can't meet a guy like that then you aren't searching hard enough then because they're out there. There are billions of people on this planet. You're bound to come across many people who are willing to wait until marriage. And if you can't wait until marriage, then at least make them wait long enough & commit to other areas in your life since you don't seem to be the best at judgment. All I'm saying is that people like you who can be so easily taken advantage of need extra precautions.
"how is a guy who can't keep his dick in his pants past the 3rd date ever going to be able to sustain a relationship with a girl who has low body count since she refuses to have sex?"
^ Then just ignore those guys. It's not hard. Just have higher standards. You'll encounter people with similar high standards & won't be the victim to as much ratchetry.
"you can go to any modern city in the US, no man will ever go beyond the 3 months of dating without sex."
^ You're literally talking to a guy that would have no issue doing that. And I'm not below average in looks so I'm not desperate either. I just wouldn't mind waiting & getting to know someone better & gaining trust with a person because I have good intentions. - +1 y
@Sonorous
[If you can't meet a guy like that then you aren't searching hard enough then because they're out there. There are billions of people on this planet. ]
listen dude, I have responsibilities: working a job and studying part time. I don't have time to track down and sift through and interview billions of men trying to find one that can be abstinent. And even if I do encounter a guy who has restraint (which is pretty much almost nonexistent), it really doesn't mean we would have chemistry. From the men I have dated, the guys that are fun witty tend to sleep around more than guys who have more boring personalities.
I'm not going to uproot myself, abandon my job, move to the countryside away from my family to an all white, all conservative , tiny country town where everyone attends church on sundays to interview virgin men for marriage. Neither would I have the ability or time to do that.
I think that you're just all talk and you're not being realistic with what I can do. - +1 y
@nastyb it actually doesn't take you moving. The internet is here fr a reason. Just advertise yourself online as someone waiting until marriage & use your brain to find male spaces where there are attractive guys with good personalities. Doesn't take much effort at all really. You're a girl. y'all live life on easier mode. Guys will inevitably be into you.
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@Sonorous
Internet is actually the worst place to date. I've done online dating for the past 7 years and I've only met the worst scum of the earth. From my lengthy experience online dating, it is usually guys who have no social lives, lack social skills, lack personality that use online dating. OR its always men looking for sex or creeps who use the internet as a way to release their "bad" secret inner desires that they don't want anyone from their social circles to find out about.
[The internet is here fr a reason. Just advertise yourself online as someone waiting until marriage & use your brain to find male spaces where there are attractive guys with good personalities. Doesn't take much effort at all really. You're a girl. y'all live life on easier mode. Guys will inevitably be into you.]
haha from reading this, I can tell you don't go out much... you literally have no experience. - +1 y
@nastyb Yeah it just seems like you've got bad judgment then which is no fault of your own. I used to be like that. So I attracted bad people. But now that I'm older & smarter, I know how to sift through the trash better. It's a skill that even you could learn.
And yeah I have never been outside. The sun doesn't even exist it's just a myth. - +1 y
@Sonorous
I was never attracted to bad people. Thats why after going out with 30+ men from online dating... I still never been in a relationship.
You sound like a clueless person trying to give advice on something he knows nothing about. But thats not surprising considering you're only just 23. - +1 y
@nastyb - Look I don't like giving advice in the traditional sense because of the issue with self-extrapolation. I'm not a woman & I don't go through what you go through so I cannot say with 100% accuracy that something I say will work. But I do believe it's easy to find decent people to be around. And if I were a girl with a goal of not being taken advantage of, I'd legit just withhold myself until I found someone good enough. However you find them is almost irrelevant, you can find good people just by walking down the sidewalk. The point is that I'd be logical about it because it would ensure that I'd be less emotionally fucked up in the longrun. Yes, you might not find someone until you're 50 if you're bad at judgement which you seem to be. 🙏 But the wait is still better in my opinion.
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952 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Because we can easily be thought of as Creepy or Weird by you Girls, Which is like publicly being accused of a heinous Crime to us.
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Asker+1 yPublicly being accused of a heinous crime? I don’t know anyone who does that. I’ve called some guys creepy and weird, because their way of approaching me was creepy or weird. Popping up wherever I was and not talking to me and driving past my house and repeatedly trying to wear me down after rejecting me years earlier isn’t a heinous crime. But it is strange behaviour. Most guys would come to your house, text you, or add you to Facebook. Sometimes my guy friends have confirmed that there’s something strange about the guy/s in question. They tell me he’s said strange things. It scares me personally genuinely when someone acts weird. Not being direct but sort of sneaky in trying to get close to me.
Asker+1 yMaybe, reconsider your way of approaching women? Not the approaching of women itself. Do you understand what I’m getting at?
Asker+1 yOh I see. But how will you know if you don’t try?
Asker+1 yWell, no, but if a woman gives you signs of interest, that’s generally the green light.
Asker+1 yIt’s your cue to speak now or forever hold your peace, so to speak.
Asker+1 yHow can you be sure it won’t work? You can only be sure of that if you don’t have courage.
Asker+1 yHow do they not see? Do you have trouble reading social cues?
Asker+1 yOh, now I see. So you were in a situation similar to mine where the same thing happened, but you were the guy in this scenario?
Asker+1 yMeaning, you were interested too, but you were afraid to be vulnerable?
Asker+1 yThen that’s a sad situation to be in. But nothing in life is wasted, if we learn from it.
Asker+1 yYeah, I guess it’s a reality for everyone.
Asker+1 yI don’t know how to feel about that, so I’ll think on it. I don’t think you’re creepy or weird, anymore.
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You clearly have never been to the Lansing area in Michigan. Women accuse men of BS all the time. And the accused often has no rights.
Asker+1 yIt was your way of approaching me. You tried too hard and it scared me.
Asker+1 y@ObscuredBeyond mind your own business.
Asker+1 y@ObscuredBeyond if all women despise you, then there’s something you’re doing wrong, not them. It’s probably because you interfere in other people’s business and make statements based on ignorance.
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@bigblueeyes343: Says you, taking what I said as a personal attack when I was merely letting you know what I observed in the past to be true in one region. Also, if this is a public forum for discussion, why do you get a voice on the subject and I don't?
And where did I say all women despise me personally? Talk about lashing out and saying things out of ignorance!
Asker+1 y@ObscuredBeyond calm down mate.
Asker+1 y@ObscuredBeyond and butt out.
Asker+1 yMaybe tone it down a notch? If you like someone, just tell them directly when you have the chance to do so. See what happens 😊
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Given your melodrama, I can assure you that you'll never have to worry about that from me.
Asker+1 y@ObscuredBeyond whatever.
Asker+1 y@ObscuredBeyond so basically you’re the same guy as this other one and you’re trolling the conversation? I’ll say this and say it once. I don’t care about you. It honestly doesn’t matter to me who you date or sleep with, or kiss, as long as it’s not me. I come on here for fun, to make friends and because I’m bored. It’s your own fault that you’ve lost our friend group. They decided on their own. I don’t play games; and it’s your own fault that you blew it with me. You have no one to blame but yourself.
Asker+1 yNo I’m not being nasty or dramatic. I’m just over it. I just want to be left alone.
Asker+1 yThanks for answering my question 😊. I was curious about it for a while, both with you and with men in general, Ben. I wasn’t referring to myself. I meant that next time you meet someone, have courage. Shoot your shot. Most women aren’t horrible (some are, yes); and if you don’t or don’t pick the right timing, yes, women might consider you weird or creepy.
Asker+1 yEspecially if you give signs of obvious interest, then block them on social media, then accuse them through mutual friends of being gold diggers, then come back and act like nothing happened.
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+1 ySome barriers that have kept me from making a move:
1. Professional boundaries: coworker, or a client/provider relationship which goes either way. It's risky to hit on a customer due to possibly losing your job, and risky to hit on the person providing you with goods/service, because they are "trapped" by their job and makes it potentially creepy. My brother and I talked about this just yesterday and agreed it's fine to cross that boundary but you have to establish some chemistry and be more or less certain she's into you. But even then, it can sometimes be iffy and one should tread carefully.

2. Reputation: Trying not to be "that guy" who gets known for asking every woman out. Even though it makes sense if you ask out one woman and she says no, time to move on and ask someone else. It still starts to make you look desperate, even if you aren't, and lowers your social value in the eyes of others and reduces your chances of getting a "yes" out of someone else. How many women want to date the guy asking her out if the woman sitting next to her just rejected him? It's also a matter of her social value at that point, and she loses face if she accepts this "loser". The smaller the population, the more this is a factor.
3. Friendship, or whatever. As you said, there can be a fun dynamic between two people and trying to take it to the next level could mean it all goes away, or turns into something less fun. It could also simply be something he doesn't want. I have a few friends who are women who are really into me and it's fun to flirt with them and get attention from them, but I would never want to be in a relationship with them. I value them and their friendship, but I'm just not attracted to them that deeply.
Next question: Why do women fret about this, longing for him to make a move, rather than simply making a move themselves?
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Asker+1 yI don’t know, as I’m not one of them.
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"Next question: Why do women fret about this, longing for him to make a move, rather than simply making a move themselves?"
They don't have any skills to get a man, they have no game. I can already hear someone formulating a response now saying that men have no game because x, y, z , but they have enough to get rejected time and time again.
Asker+1 y@soulOnDisplay good question. I guess they’re bored or they get caught up in the drama.
+1 yFirstly, let's address the elephant in the room - or should I say, the two elephants in the room: melons. Men love boobs, plain and simple. They can't help it, it's programmed into their DNA to seek out the perfect pair of juggernauts. But with great power comes great responsibility, and the pressure to make a move on a woman can be overwhelming, especially when the object of their desire is sporting a great set of gazoongas.
Boobslayer believes that the fear stems from the potential rejection that comes with making a move. No man wants to be shot down, especially when the stakes are high and the reward is a chance to fondle some fiery biscuits. Rejection can sting like a slap to the face or a kick to the milkers, and the thought of being turned down can cause even the most confident man to second-guess himself.
The real reason why men get nervous around women: mammory glands. Boobs are like kryptonite to men, rendering them helpless in the presence of a well-endowed woman. They become tongue-tied, sweaty-palmed, and their minds go blank. It's like trying to solve a Rubik's cube while blindfolded. The solution is simple: assimilate breasticles with alluring androids. #assimilate
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Asker+1 y@Erielav congratulations then 😊. Hope it works out xo
825 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Well that's the whole thing is men are not afraid to make the first move but they are afraid of the second move.
They are afraid of opening that first door because then they think that girl wants a commitment after that
What most guys want is they love that flirt they love flirting with certain people to make me feel certain things
With that certain thing a beautiful experience can come from it.
But they don't want to commit after that they just want that experience with that person
Because it can be one of the hottest sexiest experiences ever
They want that friendship to keep going but not in a relationship way
Only in a friendship way which sometimes is more powerful than a relationship
So if your friends for a long time you flirt for a long time if the guy wanted to be in a relationship he would already have asked you but if a guy likes you in a different way whether it's a friendship in real life or online and you both like to flirt he wants to take it a different direction he wants to flirt he wants to f*** and he wants to be your friend and if you're willing to do that then you have to let him know that because otherwise he will not cross that line
And what I said above about about a friendship being very powerful like that it's because it could eventually lead into something deeper but it has to go there first because that guy really wants to know even more about the person and wants to know if they are compatible how kinky she is a loving caring and the only way to get there is to do it that way without a relationship relationship
That's why that type of friendship can be very very powerful we all like to flirt weather in real life or online but in some cases you just have to be very patient and give of yourself
Knowing that you might not get anything in return except for that moment of fun but you never can tell where it's going to head and guys don't want to make that mistake of doing one thing and the girl thinking another thing10 Reply493 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Well there are many possible reasons. But I'm gonna go over the most common one based off what I've seen & even experienced in the past:
A lot of men place a large part of their innate value on the ability to successfully attract a female. It can even boost a mans status in many hierarchies which will even attract more women. Especially ones they are attracted to. Maybe unbeknownst to the conscious part of the males brain, it's got to do with mating ability. So by linking their ability to mate very closely with their sense of self/ego, if they get rejected, they will take it as a major ego hit that could likely emotionally crush them. And if they're an ugly guy, oh that rejection might even spread like wildfire & have an even more negative effect for the guy.
I used to be like this when I was younger. Now I'm different ofc. For better or for worse, I don't place such high importance on these things anymore. It takes real introspection though & an active effort to manage that emotional part of the brain. The goal for al men should be to be less emotional in this regard. Especially in modern day since there are so many options.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yI have flirted with or asked out "friends" - girls I wasn't super close with, but was friendly with. Usually these were fairly new "friendships." Now, if we got to a point where I felt comfortable flirting or asking her out, (she might be different and either say yes, or at least she might be kind about saying no...) and then I get screamed at (yet again) loudly (or publicly humiliated) just about every time, even if we seemed like we really hit it off. Even flirting would scare most girls enough to start showing that "not so pretty side." They think it's time to burn that bridge, and then firebomb that cliff just to be safe.
Now, if she's one of the few girls who even bother to talk to a guy, then that guy might honestly not want to ruin that. Or lets say the guy somehow sees some issues with your "friendship" - like she's a girl who has completely different ideals or wants in life, or she's irresponsible... or she spends like crazy and maxed out all her cards... Some guys would hate that, especially if they want to settle down or have a serious relationship.
And then SOME guys just flirt with everyone (just like some girls), and it means nothing, or it's "practice" or it's just trying to get a "temperature reading."10 Reply
+1 yIt can be scary for guys these days. Some women will label him a creep if they don’t find him attractive and reject him in a nasty way. In worse situations, he could face false rape accusations. I’m not saying you would do that, but there are women who would and unfortunately it can be hard sometimes to tell good people from bad ones. Or he could be afraid of ruining the friendship. It’s happened to me before despite us trying not to let it ruin the friendship so I know it can happen. It could also be he’s not sure if you feel that way about him.
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Asker+1 yOh no, back when I was interested, I really loved this guy. With all my heart. 3 years ago. I wouldn’t have considered it rape. He’d have had to accuse me of it, lol with the number of clues I was giving him (joking of course, I’d never harm anyone). I just mean I was really obvious.
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+1 yIt's because every guy has lived, personal experiences with getting all the green light signals in the world from women, only to be rejected and treated horribly. This is something we have experienced for ourselves, and the cost of the rejection is ALWAYS the destruction of that friendship (at the very least) and usually alienation from the larger friend group.
I've had multiple situations in my own life where the woman was clearly into me, everyone I showed the signs to said she was into me, her girlfriends wanted us to date; the whole nine yards. When I would ask the girl out, she would condescendingly tell me I misinterpreted her signals, shit talk me and try destroy my friendships with other people in the group.
Most women are not anywhere near the nice, kind people they think they are.
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+1 yHonestly how is it so many women still naively ask this question. They put zero mental effort into considering:
- The guy risks being publicity humiliated (usually by the girl’s overprotective and jealous friends)
- The guy risks being assaulted by a jealous boyfriend or husband
- The guy risks being #metoo’d and having his reputation and livilihood destroyed.
Now those are all worse case scenarios. They are justified outcomes if the guy is aggressive/rude. However the 3rd negative outcome unfortunately is a growing reality for guys. The scariest thing is the woman might #metoo him years or even decades after the incident occurred.
But why is it women don’t even consider these legitimate fears that run through guy’s minds about this? Like they put no mental effort into understanding it.10 ReplyThere is a lot to this, but staying with your point "friends for years" I can only think of two possibilities in that scenario for me:
1) She is not my type, love her as a friend, not my type. I would add to this that I can't be friends with a woman outside of social situations, work, etc... I won't lead you on, and as I tell my partners, if I am speaking solo with a woman, get out, because I will always end up with physical intentions. Just being honest
2) Your dealing with a genuinely good guy that is afraid to make the move for all sorts of reasons. This one is complicated, because you have to read the situation to know. But in this case, if you feel as though there is a potential here, make the move yourself. Be congenial with this, but what is the worst that can happen? You meet a guy you like and have an amazing time with?
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+1 yBecause we over analyze your behavior trying to get a clear indication of mutual attraction. If things don’t line up perfectly or too much time lapses without a good opportunity we talk ourselves out of it, lose interest and move on.
When awkward creepy guys “harass” women and you all complain about it, normal and/or slightly awkward guys lose confidence and are afraid of being perceived as creepy. A girl said I was being creepy in high school and it devastated my confidence for a decade. The actually creepy guys are probably not going to be discouraged from public shaming, but most guys will take a hint- even if it’s not there.10 Reply
+1 ysome men ate dumb and don't get it that she cannot eat his personality. he kerp tryinh and tryinh without ookinj at himself of how a monstwr he is. there's this gut who have wronged me A BLION TIMES whqt do yoy expect feom someonw WHO GETS SO MAD IF YOY DO NOT SMILE IN HIS STANDARD WAY OF SMILING. fucking LINATIC
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Asker+1 ySo true.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yBecause ever since we are little boys we are taught that a male's value is directly correlated to the number, and thr quality (beauty) of the women he gets with.
Men fear rejection because it causes them pain. The pain of knowing you aren't good enough.
That's all it is. Men fear to not be good enough. And with no way to know how to become good enough, you get this website and the hoards of angry men spewing BS all day every day on this site.
And the women are just stooping down to their level. Ladies need to wake up and stop playing games with these raging losers.10 Reply
+1 yIt goes back to school and our status there. I was the lowest person in school. Everyone hated me including the teachers. I had no chance with any girl at school. Therefore I don't think I have a chance as an adult. Girls treated me like crap and harassed me all the time. That experience is still with me and traumatized me into adulthood. The freaks and geeks grow up and are awkward because we're terrified of you treating us like we were in school. You're scarred us for life. We expect you to get your boyfriend to beat us up, lure us into a trap so you can humiliate us. We don't trust you at all.
10 ReplyFor myself personslly i stopped trying because every girlfriend I've had has hurt me. All of them used some form of mental manipulation. A couple of them would say they loved me one day then the next day break up with me. Then a day or 2 later beg for another chance and tell me how much i mean to them and that they loved me.
One tried to baby trap me. She was actively trying to get pregnant while we were together.
The last girl i liked i spilled my heart out and was rejected. No she barely speaks to me. Considering we would spend hours on the phone.10 ReplyYes we do in today's world.
We all know if an ugly guy does it, it's harassment but when a good look guy does it, it's cute/hot.
However, when a good looking guy does it but it wasn't how the girl vision it, it becomes rape. Maybe he had bad breathe and she was so grossed out so she calls it rape.
On a serious note, It's frightening cos it a big step to take. We are thinking what if I'm bad at this, what she doesn't like it. Our heart's beating so hard but when we finally do it and it cool we are champs.10 Reply- 4.8K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
u +1 yIf a guy has been friends with a woman for years and never tried to advance with amorous intentions, he probably believes he has been friend zoned and has no chance of getting any reaction other than a rejection. And many guys are very sensitive to rejection.
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+1 yIf I'm genuinely interested in a girl I don't have any fear of making move. I'd let her know what I think about her.
I know some guys avoid this due to fear of rejection and some aren't interested in relationship. They just want sex or friendship phase going on.
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Asker+1 yThat was what I thought. That they’re not interested enough.
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Move on... she deserves better
Asker+1 yYes I do deserve better, thanks 😊. I’ve been talking to and seeing other men since it went south.
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That's nice.
Good luck 😊
Asker+1 yThanks 😊😊
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+1 ywomen have too much power now, there is no upside, if she gets mad at us we get thrown out of somewhere. women are entitled and its hard to find things in common with them, many are far left extremists and they hate men/white people/christians/ anyone with a successful job.
i had this close female friend who just started anti psychotic and SSRI medications, she shouted at me in a bar when i tried to talk to her about a fight we had (even though we had been talking semi cordially 5 minutes beforehand)... she screamed at me and they threw me out of the bar
10 Reply 1.5K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Have you seen how women treat or reject men? It's absurd and dangerous.
Hostility, threats, insults, shaming, "lecturing" us how wrong it is to look at women or in their direction, giving us shit etc...
It turns these women from pretty ladies into disgusting hags in their young bodies. And it makes us want to go to regions, where the ladies treat us with kindness like it's in their culture.
62 Reply1.8K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. - Getting slapped.
- Getting arrested.
- Getting Feminism in the way.
If making move is successful, eventually we end up in a place where, we end up getting married and divorce eventually and then getting robbed of half of all stuff..
So it's a Loss Now, or Lose at divorce.
Nobody wants to start a Lose - Lose match..
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+1 yI don't date friends, since it makes things a lot simpler. However, I'm assuming a guy might not want to ruin things by either:
- You not reciprocating and it being awkward
- You two do end up dating, but breakup, so he's lost a partner and a friend.
20 Reply There’sa lot to deal with. Men have had to be pursuers forever. Fear of rejection, losing friendship, being accused, or even assumed to be worse off the worse because of other guys. Creepy bad guys give men that are trying to be genuine ptsd. Some women don’t even want to try anymore because of that. Dating scene is hard especially when all most want to do is sex Or relationship stuff without the commitment
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+1 y1. afraid of rejection
2. afraid of losing the friendship that's more valuable than dating
3. afraid of losing that typical freedom they've already been enjoying
4. afraid that they don't actually know how to express their feelings
5. afraid they're not worthy and/or worthwhile
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+1 yDo they just not see you that way?
Well yes and no
Some men just like to friends.. afraid of asking you to date. If it not work out they loose their mate..
Others want. to ask you but are just afraid you don't want them... and thus also loosing their mate.
Every male friend should be handled differently but always delicate if you not want to scare them.😂🤣
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+1 yThe rejection is getting more mentally for the men these last few years, many found being alone has become more normal and lore accepted. So when you have a choice of course you take the one that makes you feel safer. Plus! So many women have (friend zoned) the guys so no one is majing the move because the girl is expecting the other guy (she is thinking about) to do the move. So basically! It's more complicated now days so if a girl/woman likes a guy, let her try nake the first move.
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+1 yIt could be that they only see you as a friend. Sometimes with friends, your romantic thoughts drift towards others. But, it does happen. Could also be that neither think the other shares their interest so stays within the bounds of friendship.
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+1 yWomen in their life are scarce and having evolved to maximize the chances of reproduction men can value each interaction too highly and become too nervous or act scared. because what it says about you that you don't get anyone with easy can be scary to realize for some people.
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+1 yGuys can get scared for multiple reasons.
- The fear of getting rejected
- The fear of getting labeled as a creep
- The fear of getting led on by the girl
- The fear of being falsly acussed of rape, sexual assault or sexual harrasment. This happens a lot in my country.20 Reply
+1 yThe list is very long but to keep it short.
Men are automatically viewed as dangerous so we don’t want to scare anyone.
Men can easily have their lives ruined with false accusations and it we see it all the time.
Men are tired of being used or rejected.
Men generally lack knowledge or experience with women
Lastly men have so much on their mind as is throwing the emotional burden of a relationship is probably not wort it.10 ReplyIt's probably because they are ultimately afraid of rejection and awkwardness that would come with it if they tried.. They then lose a good "friend" they had while also being rejected romantically.. Although some girls do bounce back and care about the guy so much that they still wannabe friends..
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+1 yThird and fourth (maybe even fifth) wave feminism, dumb virtue signalling movements like MeToo and Time'sUp, cancel culture especially towards heterosexual conservative men, legislation and courts allowing women to have privileges of men but accountability of children, manosphere ideologies making men look bad (incel, red-pill, PUA, MGTOW, etc), and other sociopolitical factors.
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+1 yWomen should make the first move because only men get ridiculed or punished for liking someone.
Women have no consequences, so why are you too scared to make the first move if you like the guy?11 Reply
Asker+1 yI’m not too scared. I made it.
+1 yI've lost a couple women because I didn't just kiss them or grab them and have sex with. It's not that I was scared. It's that I didn't realize that that's what I needed to do. I found out on here. All my life I asked girls about it and never was given a correct response. The only thing they ever say is confidence which was totally useless for me. No talking just kiss them if your attracted.
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@Juxtapose the question implies that we already know each other at least by the way I read it. Making a move I wouldn't usually call advances on a stranger.
921 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. You've been friendzoned, basically.
(s) he likes what you have to offer as a colleague/associate, etc, but not as a partner.
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Asker+1 yWhy flirt to begin with then? Do all the touching and singling you out in groups?
+1 yThose that men approach girls will stop approaching girls if they live somewhere that most women are unapproachable.
We learn based on parent recognition.
Example: Canada, Texas, Arizona, bad place for a guy to approach girls, California a good place to approach girls.20 Reply
+1 yIf you are with Lot of men , so that he know of somehow , you won't be satisfied with a simple loving Caring man , so even if starts something beautiful , you are gonna compare him with a lot of man and even say it to his face , the average simple man can't handle that , so he leave a vibrant woman stay as it is
10 ReplySo. etimes not sure if I read her signal correctly and not sure if she is open to me making a move or not. I have had some women that it was impossible to know. Another I totally misread her signals which was a bit awkward but a few more dates and she specifically said she wanted to take me to bed. There was no mistaking that.
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+1 yIm not scared i just know im worthless and unattractive w a shit personality and no future. I cannot give a woman what she needs. Plus im going to hell as Jesus says the cowardly are the first to be thrown into the lake of fire.
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Asker+1 yThat’s a bit hard on yourself.
Asker+1 yYou made me smile though
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Im just being honest and yes my suffering brings people together
Asker+1 yYou mean you’re not joking?
Asker+1 yI’m sorry, I thought you were joking. I think you’re being too hard on yourself.
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No im Christian and I KNOW KNOW Gods real
Asker+1 yYeah, God is real
Asker+1 yI think you’re worrying too much, Tom
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Im not. I've been convicted
Asker+1 yConvicted?
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@Juxtapose Im a trash person and have no personality ontop of that i never talk n when i do i sound cowardly and afraid to let people hear me. Also im unattractive dress like im homeless rarely ever brush teeth have no education and can't keep a job longer than 10 months max
+1 yI think its probably the certain environments. I think it's becoming more discouraged to ask people out at work, and other public places guys are afraid of coming across as too forward or obnoxious.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yHave you ever made a move on a guy you like? If you have, good for you! I've never had the courage to actually do it. I can understand why guys might not do it.
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Asker+1 yYes, I did.
720 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Depends on the circumstances.
1. Friend for a long time? Massive risk involved
2 . Workplace , extremely tricky.
1000s of reasons in-between , always difficult.
10 ReplyKnowing something that has the potential to make a impact in your life no matter the good or bad it makes one scared to move forward. I made the mistake and I regret not just telling her how I felt. I was scared of rejection and I was not man enough.
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+1 yI think many guys fear you seeing how insecure they really feel when actually trying. Besides, most times you only fail once and may feel weird about being around you afterwards.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yDo you want to hear the truth or just tell you what you want to hear. Because I get the impression you'll just lash out if i tell you the truth.
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Asker+1 yI don’t ask questions unless I want your perspective 😊
Opinion Owner+1 yOK, you asked for it. He's not scared. You're simply not worth the risk to him. I mean if you want to take it as being afraid fine. But you're his confidence builder. a lot of women have MANY guys like this. They "flirt" with them. But she would NEVER date them. And if asked would reject him. Well, guys are not above this either.
No one likes rejection that doesn't make them scared but you don't want to get rejected for someone you'd only minimally want to date anyhow. He's actually doing you a favor by not asking you out. Because you deserve to be with the guy who'll view you as the prize not the consolation. Now we're getting into personal feelings and whether someone can grow to have a. Attraction to somebody vs. Having it right off the bat.
Asker+1 yIn my case, he came back, but I tend to feel that if a man has to think about it, then he’s not worth the effort.
Opinion Owner+1 yI feel the same way about women. I think that's a big reason I'm single.
Yes, he came back. Because again, you're his confidence builder. Good for you for having enough self respect to say "step off"!
Asker+1 yThanks 😊
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yBeing seen as and called endless things like pervert, creep, scumbag, etc
Having her claim he was only a friend to try and get pussy.
having false sexual allegations made against him.
having her shame and attack and then inevitably disown him.
women have made it very difficult for men to make the first move
10 ReplySo why dont you make a move instead? (here comes "oh, its a mans job" - congrationaltions to all the feminsts)
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Asker+1 yI did in my case and he freaked out and started bitching about me to my friends, about how weird I was and blocked me.
Asker+1 yI have. He came back after a woman half his age dumped him, trying to convince me to date him. I refused and have since met 3 good men who are interested.
665 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. most likely because of the MeToo movement
people these days are driven more so by politics than genuine friendship
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+1 yFor me, it would be fear of ruining the friendship, misreading what I thought were signs of interest from her, fear of her thinking I’m a creep who only pretended to be her friend to hook up with her, etc
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+1 yBecause an Accusation or Allegation is enough to ruin a man’s life
In 2019 Jemma Beale claimed she was raped by nine men and sexually assaulted by six in four encounters spanning three years
20 ReplyIt's not being scared, it's a point of why bother. I don't bother with females for many reasons, my face and my experiences are 2 big reasons.
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Asker+1 yOh? Really?
Asker+1 yThat’s tough.
Asker+1 yFair enough
+1 yWell you have rejecting, they maybe be lesbians, they may be married and out with the girls, maybe we are the 3rd guy to make a move that night after 2 other creeps and now they are annoyed, they have a boyfriend we don't know about. We are in the friend zone, if we knew them too long. Don't want to be hit with a sexually assault charge. Afraid it might be a transwoman, and we aren't into that. There is so much pressure on a man, women don't understand what we go through.
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+1 ywhy do women always think that a man has to be scared not to make a move? as if there was no respectable reason to not wanna be with a woman...
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+1 yFor the same reason women are afraid to approach guys. Fear of rejection. Who wants that? However fortune also favors the brave right?
10 ReplyMost people fear rejection. I know plenty of people who play others up for attention then stonewall them once they nake a move.
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+1 yI'd say I wish women weren't always expecting "the guy" or "the man" to make the first move either 😬😬😬👀
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And why nobody anywhere is ever direct lol. Respect to most gay people, they're often direct in their dating world, I'd imagine, however why can't straight men and straight women, no straight woman has ever made the first move to me, so I'm single and that's the way I'm living my life. And if I made the first move, wrongly, I'd get dirty look and an awkward exchange. Lol couldn't speak to them ever again vibe. Lol. How cringe. So I just, yeah. I just enjoy my existence as a single 😋😋😄😄
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+1 yThe list is long. if there's doubt, insecurity, fear, shame, or just hopeless, lack confidence.
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+1 yI think as a man, I'm afraid of rejection, but also I want to work on losing more weight, so I can look much better physically.
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+1 ythose scared are worried that rejection will hurt. most are not scared just looking for someone different.
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+1 yNo idea. I don't flirt with friends. If a lady interests me and seems to be single, I will cold approach and attempt to engage in conversation. If she is interested, we go from there. If not, I move on.
10 Reply Women lie a lot, they say no to a date when it's a maybe, and we men dotake that as a no and move on. and the way things are now we don't want a mark on our record. So sorry ladies maybe it is time you do the asking as you have different rules
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