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Curious to hear what men think and why.
For the sake of reducing arguments, I'm going to leave out going to the gym or working out, because women really need them at those times.
Doesn’t really matter to me. I thought you gals wore them for you, not us, haha. But then also every girl I’ve ever known has been like “ahhhhhhh, fuckin’ FINALLY” when they take it off at the end of the day. Ladies in tears on Oprah because they finally got a proper fitting, lmao. I’m not sure what the visual appeal of a bra to men is. Creation of cleavage? I guess? I don’t know. Like all the stuff you gals do to look good, we appreciate the final result, but I don’t think most of us are going the extra step of “…and it looks good because she did x/y/z to achieve it.” We’re a simple people😅😂 And if you don’t wear a bra, dudes will positively notice that too. I think we just like tits, lmfao, don’t overthink it. Everyone has their ideals I suppose, but in the end, big, small, medium; real or fake; bra or no bra…we’re probably here for all of it😂
I've never had an opinion on the subject. It can be kinda hot in certain situations, but women should just do whatever makes them the most comfortable. I've known women who absolutely love their bras and need the support. I've known other women who hate bras and would be happiest not wearing one ever again.
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u had you asked 13 year old me... I would be quite tempted to say yes, lmao...
I'm a grown up though, now
I think women should wear what is most comfortable for them.
If they are more comfortable without a bra that is totally fine.
If they are more comfortable with, then that is also fine.
"For the sake of reducing arguments, I'm going to leave out going to the gym or working out, because women really need them at those times."
For some women with small breasts, they could probably also workout without bra.
If they want.
I'm all for more women going without bras and normalizing that look. I'm sure some women would keep wearing bras, some would go without, largely correlated to size, but not entirely.
Certainly not. Some women, sure, but I know quite a few who'd be horribly uncomfortable after a few hours, even just of ordinary living. The more comfortable you are, the happier you are, and the more pleasant to be around. In the long, and even the medium, run, "pleasant" kicks the ass of "hot".
No because in my opinion women wear bras either for themselves or other women. To me it seems strange if I see a woman without one but rather because it´s an exception. In general terms I don´t have a preference because I don´t know the difference, since I don´t have boobs. It´s not a question I have ever given much thought.
I would prefer women not to worry about wearing bras or not. I've heard they're uncomfortable so if a woman doesn't want to wear one then that's totally cool. Women are allowed to go topless in NYC so not wearing bras shouldn't be a big deal at all.
I stopped wearing a bra years ago. Only do it for working out or if necessary for my outfit
When a young woman with tits like rocks can sport an aesthetic that looks good without the support of bra, then fine. When the breasts are sagging and/or lose their shape, it does the woman no favours to not have the support. That is not to say you can't chill on the couch with your tits flopping about. Women with small breasts or flat chests are the exception because they've a chest like the average man.
It will be weird for me to see boobs juggling on streets, everywhere basically. But will get used to it. No harm. Go bra less, yo
What on earth has it got to do with men?
Every woman should be free to either wear a bra or not according to their preference!
I mean, a pair of perky tits under a t-shirt is hot asf... but for the not so perky, a bra is a better look
m No as some do have to wear them for support, it’s fine with small boobs, however the larger they are likely the more support for everyday life.
Most importantly it should be up to the women to decide but if I had my preference I would say no bras. All breasts are beautiful
I'd prefer women do whatever they want in this manner.
I think that's their decision and should be based on what makes them feel comfortable.
Old women who don’t, it’s really gross. They saw all the way down and it kinda makes me sick.
How much of a difference do you think it would make?
only women who are open to being cat called, sexually harassed would be open to never wearing a bra ever again. Maybe only you like that kinda stuff but there are plenty of women who aren't comfortable with not wearing a bra.
I would not be comfortable seeing my daughter walking out of the house with her nips hanging out for the entire world of men to see.
@wolfcat87
wearing a bra is uncomfortable but having perverts leering at you at every corner is comfortable?
risking yourself getting raped is comfortable?
@Apple1996 And, the daughter is learning that if she's ever raped then it's because she caused it... yikes🤨🙄😒
@wolfcat87
yea thats the dangerous part... even clothes can't stop men from leering...
what makes you think that not wearing a bra , intentionally showing off your nipples , won't increase the chances of you getting raped?
@Apple1996
nobody cat calls you probably because you're not attractive.
you're delusional if you think that no man will check out your daughter's breasts if they see her nipples.
Rape is more common in societies that behave more conservatively because the taboo is part of the turn on and the victim blaming makes it easier. For example Islamic and Catholic societies have high rape rapes and very slow to even care. Even nuns and women covered has to toe in burkas get raped on a regular basis.
If you go to societies where women walk around naked all the time, there's no taboo and men don't care. They don't even care about porn, because nudity is so normalized. So, overreacting makes it all worse vs normalizing women's bodies.
A better parenting tip is to teach a daughter how to be aware of dangers and attack and defend against men who might be a threat. That way she feels empowered to protect herself and knows that any man trying to harm her is the problem.
Heaven forbid, if she ever is raped, she'll know it's not her fault and be more likely to call the police. Not to mention not blame herself the rest of her life because she was taught to. That would reduce trauma a bit. She's also feel safer talking to you about it or asking for help.
@wolfcat87
we don't live in a society where breasts aren't sexual. we don't live in a society where nudity is not sexualized. we live in a society WHERE WOMEN ARE SEXUALIZED. We live in a society where a woman's breasts and ass are SEXUAL ASSETS. Men are raised in our society to view them as sexual objects. there's nothing that you can do that will change this.
do you know why women in porn love showing off their breasts? do you know why porn stars get breast implants?
women enlarge their breasts when they want to turn a man on. now if you want your 12 yr old daughter to not wear a bra, show off her breasts as much as possible and try to play it off as not sexual... you will regret it the day she has all sorts of creeps and perverts approaching her
@wolfcat87
you clearly have never been raped... thats why you are so proud to show off your breasts to stranger men.
and what makes you think a tiny girl who is barely 5'4'' would be able to beat up a 6 foot guy if he tries to rape her? you're so delusional.
Again, creeps and perverts approach no matter what... I had 40 year old men hitting on me since I was in elementary school while dressed as a conservative Christian girl. 😆 They don't care about breasts all that much, because me not having them never stopped anyone. Neither did covering up. Again, your priorities are out of whack. But, keep terrific victim blaming and a rape friendly society and mentality. That's just makes you part of the problem.
Sir, even balloons and glass jars in butts are fetishes. It doesn't take much to turn men on according to porn.
I'll say it again for the men in back, clothing does not stop rapists or perverts. Less clothing does not make a woman more likely to get raped, and more clothing does nothing to protect a rape victim.
But, if you want to blame your daughter for any man who wants to rape her go for it. Pretty gross and harmful, definitely not in her best interest.
As for my daughter, never been raped. Probably never will be. She's tall, athletic, trained in multiple martial arts and wrestling as well as sports. Been training her to ascertain and take down male threats since she was little. I certainly don't body shame her or victim blame her. As a parent who cares about real world practicality, I made sure she stays more than capable of tearing any attacker apart.
The same way a short featherweight champion Mai Thai fighter can take down a heavyweight Taekwondo champion fighter. There are martial arts designed for smaller people to take down bigger. So, yeah.
Teaching her to fight will do way more to save her than telling her "If you aren't careful enough you'll be raped, and it will be your fault", with no actual effort to help her protect herself.
Exactly why rape rates are so high in countries full of people who think that way. No blame or responsibility placed in the rapist. You're raising a perfect victim with no actual defense.
But, like I said, if she gets raped it will be your fault, and she'll be traumatized blaming herself the rest of her life. Fail
@wolfcat87
I never get sexually harassed. I get approached by creeps approximately 2-3 times a year. Definitely not frequently. why? because I dress modestly. I don't show off cleavage, I don't wear mini shirts with my butt hanging out. I don't try to wear the tightest clothes (which I know many girls like to do). I wear a bra when I leave the house.
[Exactly why rape rates are so high in countries full of people who think that way. No blame or responsibility placed in the rapist. You're raising a perfect victim with no actual defense. ]
its not about "who to blame". If you get raped and pregnant, you're the only one that is suffering. You're traumatized. You're pregnant. You will have to give birth soon to a baby that you don't want. You will need to pay all these medical bills. You will need to pay for therapy. You will cry every night. Who cares if you try to "blame" the rapist? you're already fucked!!! it doesn't matter if you blame him or not.
If you blame him, you're fucked. If you don't blame him, you're still fucked.
this is why you should try to stop trying to get attention from men the wrong ways by intentionally showing your boobs or butt. thats not something you should be proud of.
[Teaching her to fight will do way more to save her than telling her "If you aren't careful enough you'll be raped, and it will be your fault", with no actual effort to help her protect herself. ]
and how are you gonna train every woman on earth to fight? are you gonna pay for all the females in the US to go to martial art classes? can everyone afford to pay for these classes?
even if you do get trained , it is NO GARAUNTEE that you will be able to fight off a rapist. you're a fool if you think being a trained fighter will garuantee that you will win every fight.
[I'll say it again for the men in back, clothing does not stop rapists or perverts. Less clothing does not make a woman more likely to get raped, and more clothing does nothing to protect a rape victim. ]
dressing appropriately prevents attracting the wrong attention from men. it is not 100% foolproof but you can REDUCE your chances of getting raped if you stop trying to attract attention.
who is a rapist more likely to notice? a woman wearing a mini skirt with her breasts hanging out or the woman who is wearing a sweatshirt and sweatpants?
who looks better to have sex with?
we aren't talking about 100% deterrence, we are talking about REDUCING chances of being raped as much as possible.
Are you a woman on a man profile?
Hon, if a girl is good looking enough then modest clothing isn't what's keeping any men away.
That being said, what do you imagine a conservative child under the age of 11 was wearing in the 90's that so clearly warranted 40 year old men catcalling her?
There's something really wrong with you imagining sexual clothing to try to justify and excuse the behavior of the men rather than thinking the men were the only problem... I guarantee that will be your exact reaction if your child is ever attacked and tries to tell you. It's sickening. You would blame your child and turn a blind eye to the offender if you haven't already. Which would make you just as bad.
Also, did you just try to slut shame what you think I wear while knowing nothing about me? 😆 That delusional thinking. I've been with my husband 17 years, and I'm very shy and introverted. The last thing I'm trying to get is anyone's attention when I'm out. Talk about barking up the wrong tree. 😆
Again, trying to attack women for whatever they do choose to wear is not something you should be doing. It's just sad and woman hating. Again, nothing a woman wears stupid a rapist. So, all of your weird behavior over clothing is irrelevant when it comes to preventing rape.
You don't think your daughter will feel worse with you insisting it's her fault if she gets raped? 26th you insisting the men aren't at fault, just her? You can't imagine a single reason why that may cause more damage? Oof. That poor kid drew the short straw when they were born.
Yes, rape sucks. Yes, a parent blaming their child makes it worse and is like being raped and violated all over again by their own family.
You know, YouTube and the internet teach everything for free on the same device you're using to access the internet right now...
There are also reasonably priced local classes in most areas. We managed to pay for two kids to take multiple classes on a single working class to middle class income. School sports are even cheaper. Local youth centers often have cheap classes as well. We found ways to make it work, because we cared and knew it was important.
How hard do you think a rapist is going to fight once a girl starts doing damage? They are there for pleasure, control, convenience, and a good time. The second she starts injuring him his fun is already ruined. Predators prefer easy targets.
If you don't teach her to fight at all, then you're just guaranteeing she has no chance at all. Again, raising her to be a victim. There's no reason why every able bodied woman cannot be trained to fight.
Again, rape rates for nuns, women in burkas, and women in conservative nations who dress conservatively already proved you wrong. They are no lower than women who wear barely anything. Look at how Amish women are dressed. Most have been raped or molested. A man looking for quick sex doesn't care how the woman is dressed or how she looks. They just want a hole. That's why elderly women in nursing homes get raped, women in comas get raped, and even babies. Do you think how they were all dressed caused it? 🤔
[Hon, if a girl is good looking enough then modest clothing isn't what's keeping any men away. ]
you're not even trying to reduce your risk of getting raped.
it has nothing to do with being approached or not.
it has entirely to do with the fact that you're trying to REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CREEPS approaching you.
Nothing is going to eliminate creeps trying to get sex from you. But you certainly can reduce your risk.
it seems like you embrace attracting creeps. do you like attracting perverts? do you like being cat called?
do you want to INCREASE the number of creeps approaching you?
easy way to do this is to have your tits and ass hanging out.
[There's something really wrong with you imagining sexual clothing to try to justify and excuse the behavior of the men rather than thinking the men were the only problem...]
dont make shit up. i never justified men for raping women. Thats why I am telling women to protect themselves. Nothing I do or say will prevent creeps from trying to get sex from you. ONLY YOU CAN REDUCE YOUR RISK OF GETTING RAPED.
but it seems like you want to get raped. Because a woman who does not want sexual attention will dress more modestly.
I'm not saying you can't have your tits hanging out. You can walk out naked and I won't care. But I certainly won't feel bad for you if you do get raped.
[ I guarantee that will be your exact reaction if your child is ever attacked and tries to tell you. It's sickening. You would blame your child and turn a blind eye to the offender if you haven't already. Which would make you just as bad.]
so what? you're encouraging girls to INCREASE THEIR CHANCES OF GETTING RAPED. you're telling girls its ok to walk out trying to get sexual attention from men. there are plenty of sexual predators out there. Many of them will kidnap you and put you into a van and try to turn you into a prostitute.
[Also, did you just try to slut shame what you think I wear while knowing nothing about me? That delusional thinking. I've been with my husband 17 years, and I'm very shy and introverted. The last thing I'm trying to get is anyone's attention when I'm out. Talk about barking up the wrong tree. ]
you don't need to be loud and obnoxious to want sexual attention. All it takes is a shy introverted woman to walk out with a mini skirt and a tight shirt so all the men can see how sexy her breasts are- which you seem to like to dress this way.
[You don't think your daughter will feel worse with you insisting it's her fault if she gets raped? 26th you insisting the men aren't at fault, just her? You can't imagine a single reason why that may cause more damage? Oof. That poor kid drew the short straw when they were born.]
so you dont feel bad for ENCOURAGING YOUR OWN DAUGHTER TO DRESS LIKE A SLUT SO SHE CAN ATTRACT MORE PERVERTS?
don't sit here and tell me that your risk of getting raped is lower if you walk out with your ass hanging out. nobody would believe you. you just look like a darn fool.
do you know young teenage girls get kidnapped by men , put into a white van, driven to whore houses and pimped out?
there are sexual predators everywhere. you dont know which men are good or bad.
@Apple1996
there's absolutely no proof thats true
men kidnap girls that catches their attention first, which are sexy girls with nice hot bodies and nice breasts- perfect for customers of prostitution.
nobody wants an ugly girl with no "body".
@Apple1996
take off that bra and let him see how perky your young breasts are.
Again, there is no evidence that wearing more clothing reduces rape. So, would I keep an apple in my pocket to try not to get raped? No, because it's dumb and a waste of time and energy. I'm certainly not going to blame my child, restrict their freedom, and risk their future mental health over something that doesn't work.
What's funny is that I've told you a much more effective way to prevent rape that is proven to work, and you are choosing to ignore it.
I've pointed out how your method is likely to cause more harm, and you're okay with that as well. So, the person at most risk of harm is your own child.
Again, creeps have approached me and catcalled me since I was a child and completely covered. This is the third time I've said this. You choosing to ignore it does not change that fact. Clothing doesn't reduce or prevent anything.
Areas that are anti rape have plenty of women walking around with boobs and butts out with zero catcalling and lower rape rates. Funny how going after rapists is what makes women safer vs victim blaming. My area doesn't think like you, and our risk is incredibly low.
Imagine thinking that women wearing whatever makes them happy must mean they want to be raped. I guess you refusing to learn how to fight and not allowing your child to learn means you want them to get sexual attention and get raped too. I bet every time you leave the house you do it to get male attention and get raped as well, otherwise why would you leave the house at all and risk it? Good to know that every time you go anywhere there are men and do anything potentially unsafe it's because you WANT to get raped. That's how ignorant you sound. You';re right, I certainly won't feel bad if you get raped either, clearly you're asking for it since you aren't trying hard enough to prevent it...
You're not looking out for women. You're advocating for rapists and blaming your own child for when they do get raped even though you refuse to actually try to protect them by teaching them to fight. It will be 100% your fault, since you are making them a victim who has no choice but to be raped when it happens since you have not taught them anything else. And, once that happens oh well since it was their fault for whatever they were wearing. Clearly there was no other reason in spite of all evidence to the contrary.
I'm teaching girls to fight. Which will do far more to prevent them from getting raped than the failed tactic you're using that's most common in areas where rape rates are highest. You're really just a pro rapist advocate, because you are completely removing any blame from them and telling them it's a woman's fault if they decide to rape her, telling your child it's her fault if she's raped, and telling everyone else the same. What in dumbnation makes you think that does anything but increase rape? In no way do you think the blame for rape should be placed on the rapist. If your daughter is murdered, is that also her fault for breathing?
Studies show that women with passive personalities, who tend to dress in layers, long pants and sleeves and high necklines, are actually more likely to be raped.
That's YOUR CHILD as you've raised her, not me or my child. You have raised your child to be more likely to be raped. Funny how the facts match exactly what I've been saying...
So, good luck when your daughter gets raped, and you clearly want everyone to celebrate it since you're working so hard for it to happen. Like you said, you did nothing to actually prevent it. In fact you've worked so hard to make sure it happens, so you must want it to happen. Creepy
"Experiences and research show clothing does not make someone more likely to experience sexual violence. People get assaulted whether they wear bikinis or sweatpants and hoodies."
www.nwasexualassault.org/clothes-are-not-consent
"A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence study found that just 4.4 percent of all reported rapes involved “provocative behavior” on the part of the victim. It also found that most convicted rapists could not remember what their victims were wearing. Studies show that women with passive personalities, who tend to dress in layers, long pants and sleeves and high necklines, are actually more likely to be raped. In one study, 1 in 3 college men said that they would force someone to have sex if they could get away with it, and that has nothing to do with clothing."
www.washingtonpost.com/.../
Like I said, my daughter is a trained fighter. No one in her entire life has been dumb enough to think she's an easy target or even try to target her at all. She's been full of fight and confidence since she was a baby. The whole family backed her in learning how to tear a potential attacker apart. My 6'3" cousin let her practice on him and taught her all the weak points on a man on top of all of her sports and martial arts training. She was second in the state in her bracket in martial arts. I don't know what delusional reality you live in that thinks she's more likely to get raped than you or your child, but it's certainly not the reality everyone else is living in. What she wears plays no part in her ability to disable an attacker. That's not exactly hard to comprehend.
My daughter is free to live her life and be happy. Unlike you and yours. My daughter does not need to attract anyone, she's already set up with a great guy from a well off family. They are heads over heels in love, and he's 6'4", in wrestling, boxing, and football as well. Again, two non victims.
Now, that all of the facts, experts, statistics, etc prove what a failure your line of though is, I bet you're still going to push your child to act in a way that makes them more likely to get raped. That's pretty disgusting and dumb. Again, YOUR child is most likely to be raped based on what you're teaching her. Enjoy.
www.healthyplace.com/.../rape-prevention-how-to-prevent-rape
Note that multiple effective options include FIGHTING. Being fierce, showing confidence, using honed survival instincts, having a safe person to speak to about the attack which you are not.
womenfamilies.org/.../
"Don’t blame rape victims for the violence perpetrated against them.
Do not participate in sexist behavior by objectifying or stereotyping women."
en.hesperian.org/.../Where_Women_Have_No_Doctor:How_to_prevent_sexual_violence
@wolfcat87
A majority of men in the UK think a woman is more likely to be sexually harassed or assaulted if she wears revealing clothes, new research suggests.
h ttps://www. independent. co. uk/news/uk/home-news/men-sexual-assault-clothes-women-victim-blaming-rape-a8792591. html
How individuals respond to women who wear sexy dress has also been studied. Guéguen (2011) conducted a field experiment and measured the time it took for a man to approach a woman when she was dressed either in a very short skirt and an off-the-shoulder tightly fitted top with a plunging neckline or in a long skirt and blouse.
As compared to when dressed in the long skirt, women wearing sexy clothing were approached in less time, were assigned a higher probability of agreeing to a date, and were assigned a higher probability of agreeing to have sex on a first date.
Applying an evolutionary psychology perspective, Niesta-Kayser, et al. (2010) investigated the effect of women wearing red on heterosexual men’s planned behaviors in two experiments. They argued that red means sex for heterosexual men in the US due to the frequent use of red to “symbolize lust, passion, and sexuality” (p. 901).
In the initial experiment participants viewed a photo of a woman wearing either a red or green shirt. Participants who viewed the photo of the woman wearing red planned to ask her more intimate questions than those assigned to the woman wearing green.
In a second experiment, the researchers asked participants to place one chair near another for the purpose of having a conversation.
Participants expecting to interact with a woman wearing red (versus blue) placed their chair closer than participants expecting to interact with a woman wearing blue.
h ttps://fashionandtextiles. springeropen. com/articles/10.1186/s40691-017-0101-5
those two links that you presented are not legitmate studies. they're just feminist newspaper articles rambling about things WITHOUT PROOF.
if you're were so confident that your daughter won't get raped without a bra, you WOULDN'T NEED TO TRAIN HER IN MARTIAL ARTS.
Because you know that your daughter taking off her bra WILL INCREASE HER CHANCES OF GETTING RAPED, which is why you are so desperate to make sure that she gets trained in martial arts.
so what for the female population? what about the women who do not know martial arts? will they all get raped?
i would love to see the day where someone who is also very skilled in martial arts tries to rape your daughter. lets see whats gonna happen
@wolfcat87
nobody is gonna believe you're gonna get sexually assaulted less by having your ass and tits hanging out for the world to see. I don't care how many FAKE STUDIES you try to present.
Walking out without a bra, letting men see how perky your breasts are, how tight and juicy your ass IS HOW A PROSTITUTE would dress.
why do they dress that way? to attract HORNY CUSTOMERS!!!
if prostitutes can attract just as many customers wearing a sweatshirt or sweatpants, why do you see prostitutes wearing mini skirts , heels with their asses hanging out?
@Apple1996
I don't know do you see any 300 pound prostitutes? NO.
do you see any obese ladies when you go into a porn page? NO.
do you see men checking out a woman who has fat as hell? NO.
there's your answer.
apparently some moms out there like it when grown men check out and hit on or masturbate to their teenage daughters
when I was 13 years old, I saw grown men 30 years old trying to hit on middle school girls as young as 12 only wearing t shirt and jeans. its fucking sick when clueless moms like you think its BETTER for her to take off her bra.
You're comparing public opinion to what happened in actual rape cases. Major difference there. What actual rapists think and do matters more than public opinion.
Approached is still not raped or harassed.
McDs used red because it makes people hungry as well. Still not rape or harassment.
Sitting closer still isn't rape.
Nothing you wrote was a study on rape or harassment either. Nor did they reference studies on rape. Didn't think that one through.
What in the idiocracy makes you think that training her in fighting from a young age had anything to do with bras? You're the only one here obsessed with clothing. I trained her in fighting because we live in a world where it's the wise thing to do. Duh. Do men get trained in fighting just because they don't wear bras? So stupid of an illogical jump it hurts.
I don't make my daughter wear a bra, and she's never been raped, approached, or harassed over it. So, fail on that line of thought.
"i would love to see the day where someone who is also very skilled in martial arts tries to rape your daughter." I'm sure you would, you seem pretty into the idea of women getting raped. I'm betting it's a fetish at this point no matter who it is including your own child. That being said, martial artists are not especially likely to rape anyone. Martial arts requires a lot of discipline, and rapists tend to lack that. On top of that, he'd have to be one of the top martial artists to stand a chance against her. Again, even more unlikely. So, statistically she's incredibly safe from rape compared to even the average man. Because, men do get raped as well. Must be the lack of bra in their cases as well, eh?
Women who can't fight are more likely to get raped. Yes.
Most men pay for prostitutes, they don't rape them. If they were all raped because of how they dressed, they wouldn't be making money and there would be no incentive to do the job. So, again, clearly how they dress does not get them raped. Especially when they are working legally.
"A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence study" is a federal government study. Doesn't get much higher than that. So, it does not matter if you ignore it. It's still fact.
Let me see how many revealing clothes are in this display of rape victims' clothing that they wore at the time they were attacked...
www.independent.co.uk/.../...ng-myth-a8152481.html
None? Craaazy how obvious that is to any normal person. Especially considering most rape victims are children who are raped by people they and their parents know.
"Most are unaware that children are victimized at a much higher rate than adults. Nearly 70% of all reported sexual assaults (including assaults on adults) occur to children ages 17 and under (Snyder, 2000). Youths have higher rates of sexual assault victimization than adults."
But, we both know you're okay with that, because it's clearly the child's fault. You're sick.
cachouston.org/.../
Duke University must also be a feminist blah blah blah. Oh, wait. It's not anymore than the federal government is.
"While people perceive dress to have an impact on who is assaulted, studies
of rapists suggest that victim attire is not a significant factor. Instead, rapists
look for signs of passiveness and submissiveness, which, studies suggest, are more likely to coincide with more body-concealing clothing. 140 In a study to test
whether males could determine whether women were high or low in
passiveness and submissiveness, Richards and her colleagues found that men,
using only nonverbal appearance cues, could accurately assess which women
were passive and submissive versus those who were dominant and assertive. 141
Clothing was one of the key cues: “Those females high in passivity and
submissiveness (i. e., those at greatest risk for victimization) wore noticeably
more body-concealing clothing (i. e., high necklines, long pants and sleeves,
multiple layers).” 142 This suggests that men equate body-concealing clothing
with passive and submissive qualities, which are qualities that rapists look for in
victims. Thus, those who wore provocative clothes would not be viewed as
passive or submissive, and would be less likely to be victims of assault.
Along these lines, research suggests that rape victims are “significantly
lower” in “dominance, assertiveness, and social presence.” 143 "
scholarship.law.duke.edu/.../viewcontent.cgi
inside.southernct.edu/sexual-misconduct/facts
@wolfcat87
when I was 13 years old, I was on a field trip with my classmates. I saw 30 yr old men leering, smiling at 12 yr old girls who just hit puberty, with budding breasts and broadening hips.
when I was 12 years old, I frequently walked out of the house without a bra because it was uncomfortable. I had all kinds of guys smirking at me on streets, giving me sexual vibes on elevators, grown men staring at me. My dad had to frequently escort me down the elevator of my building to keep me safe from all the stranger men.
why the fuck would any mom think its a good idea for her daughter to walk out of the house without a bra?
if you want all kinds of perverts ogling at you, smirking at you, trying to show you their dicks, then that would be the right thing to do.
@wolfcat87
[Approached is still not raped or harassed.
McDs used red because it makes people hungry as well. Still not rape or harassment.
Sitting closer still isn't rape.]
do you want grown men "sitting closer" to your 12 yr old daughter?
You're talking like as long as your daughter isn't raped but sexually assaulted, then there's nothing wrong.
you're risking girls getting sexually assaulted, thats ok to you?
as long as its not rape then sexual assault is fine to you?
there's something severely wrong with you.
@wolfcat87
[Women who can't fight are more likely to get raped. Yes.]
and what makes you assume that most women can fight? you think men don't know that women are weaker than them?
you're not grounded in reality here, you're just dreaming in your own imagination where all women are just as strong as men.
So what if a tiny girl can fight? what if the guy is also a trained martial arts fighter or boxer but he's just twice as big?
[Thus, those who wore provocative clothes would not be viewed as
passive or submissive, and would be less likely to be victims of assault.]
and what makes you think submissiveness is the only factor to increasing chances of rape?
dressing like a slut will make men assume you want to have sex. who is a horny guy more likely to approach for sex? a slutty looking woman or a girl in a sweatshirt?
MEN SIT CLOSER to women who dress provocatively dressed women.
@wolfcat87
why do you think prostitutes wear mini skirts , super high heels , asses hanging out, no bra, lingerie? BECAUSE THEY KNOW THIS ATTRACTS MEN!!!
now you're saying your 12 yr old daughter should dress the same way down the street and assume that she WILL NOT ATTRACT PERVERTS?
Meaning you saw girls dressed perfectly normal and men still showing sexual interest. Proving yourself wrong about it being anything a girl or woman is doing causing it. You don't even read what you write, there's some severe cognitive dissonance going on with you.
Why would any parent think it's okay to tell their child it's their fault if they get raped?
People can sit where they want. I don't care. They aren't touching or causing any issues.
I'm not risking anything, according to all evidence and studies I'm dong more to prevent rape than you who is actively increasing a child's chances at being raped. How ironic... and hypocritical.
You're whining to everyone else about something only you are actively doing. You're right but about the wrong person, there is something severely wrong with you. All the evidence and even the rapists and their victims say you are wrong, and you'll still go out of your way to try to make your child a rape victim just because you want to. So incredibly dumb. What are you going to do when your child is raped, argue with the rapist that the reason why they did it must be wrong? And, your daughter will be wrong too? Yeah, that will totally fix it...
I never said most women can fight right now... Most can learn to though. It's not about being weaker, it's about causing enough of a problem that you're not worth the effort to rape. A porcupine is weaker than a lion, but most lions won't mess with a porcupine unless they are starving to death and are about to die from it. Cats are weaker than dogs, and most cats can fight off a dog when necessary. Most women can also cause enough pain and damage to an attacker to keep him away. What's he going to rape anyone with if his eyes are gouged out and his penis is broken?
Again, there are multiple studies by experts and even the rapists describing who they target, and you're still arguing. So dumb. What makes you think you know better, are you a rapist too and your opinion as a rapist somehow means more than the opinion of all other rapists?
You still keep ignoring facts and confusing attraction with rape. Not the same things, stupid. A rapist doesn't have to be attracted to the woman he is raping. He's just looking for an easy target to use for sex. It's not hard to comprehend. Again, this is why men will rape dead bodies, animals, elderly women, nuns, etc.
@wolfcat87
[Meaning you saw girls dressed perfectly normal and men still showing sexual interest. Proving yourself wrong about it being anything a girl or woman is doing causing it. You don't even read what you write, there's some severe cognitive dissonance going on with you.]
there is sexual interest because he sees her perky breasts, blooming figure, broadening hips, beautiful skin, thin in the right places, thick in the right places.
if you try to EMPHASIZE her figure by telling her to take off her bra, SHE WILL ONLY GET MORE INTENSE CREEPS CHASING HER.
you don't see men drooling or hitting on grandmas. why? because grandmas don't have the look they are attracted to.
HOW YOU LOOK determines how much attention you get from guys.
I dress modestly... I wear shorts, t shirts. I barely get any sexual attention from men. And I'm glad. I am not interested in taking off my bra so I can have creepy perverts stare at me again.
just because you are ok with men ogling at you, drooling, smirking, giving off sexual vibes, it does not mean all women are ok with it.
i don't know what kinda mother would want to INCREASE HER DAUGHTER'S CHANCES OF GETTING RAPED.
@wolfcat87
[People can sit where they want. I don't care. They aren't touching or causing any issues. ]
so you're ok with grown men trying to persuade your 12 yr old daughter to have sex with them?
thats exactly what is wrong with you.
your daughter will just turn out to be a slut. because she had a mother who thinks its ok for her daughter to be around those kinds of men.
[I'm not risking anything, according to all evidence and studies I'm dong more to prevent rape than you who is actively increasing a child's chances at being raped. How ironic... and hypocritical. ]
sweetie, nobody is gonna believe that if you dress up a 12 yr old like a prostitue, she is gonna get less horny men chasing her. I don't care what kinda fake studies you come up with. Nobody is gonna believe you.
Prostitutes dress like that for a reason... and you know why.
[I never said most women can fight right now... Most can learn to though.]
MOST WOMEN DO NOT KNOW HOW TO FIGHT. Thats why its so dangerous for a woman to not wear a bra.
No, he saw perfectly normal girls dressed like perfectly normal girls and got turned on. Meaning NOTHING those girls did mattered. All they did was go outside. Are you goign to stop going outside and keep your children from ever going out as well? That still won't entirely prevent rape, because most rapists are someone the victim knows. If you're not willing to do that, then what are you even going on about?
You said those girls were wearing jeans and t-shirts when men were getting turned on, so by your own logic you're wearing even less and asking for men to pervertedly stare at you. This is exactly what I mean by there's something wrong with your thinking. You can't even connect the dots with your own experiences first hand vs personal behaviors. It's sad. Again, the most covered girls get the most attention from rapists according to all studies. You aid they were wearing jeans and t-shirts. You are wearing shorts and getting less attention. So, according to you there were more covered and got more attention! Crazy how your eye witness account matches the studies! Ha ha ha
Again, men look no matter my age or how I cover. I'm not dumb enough to think it would change. I could wear a burka or habit and still get stared at by men. I'd be more at risk of rape. So, I'm wisely not doing either. Neither are you. If you thought covering up would stop rape, you'd be completely covered.
YOU are the kind of mother that would increase her daughter's chances of being raped. So, you do know more about it than anyone. With all the evidence about rape in front of you, you've made it clear that you will still keep putting your child at risk. So, anything else you have to say is worthless. Your child is the most likely to be raped out of anyone here statistically and factually. Enjoy
if more women, stop wearing bras then it will be normal to not wear bras anymore
That’d be very distracting if I could always see girls nipples in whatever they wore, I wouldn’t complain tho 😂
Whatever girls decide and is better for their body
I love seeing nipples poking against sweaters and blouses
I wouldn’t complain
Yes! Women have my full support.
too right i would
Girls body and choice. So I don't have a say
THOs are awesome.
I'd say if your booobs hang, wear a bra
Does not look good
Sure unless they are too big
Their bodies their choice
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