It seems guys today lack any sense of understanding of how important it is to father children with a woman and be a faithful husband. I believe we have a generation of young men who play video games, jerk off to Japanese anime characters and live with their parents.
Women don’t want to have children with these losers and I don’t blame them.
What is it going to take to get these men motivated to actually grow up and be successful men?
I take pride in being the father to 5 kids, 3 boys and 2 girls, ages 5 to 16. My kids and wife are my motivation for everything I do and to provide for them. My wife never asked me to get a vasectomy and she doesn’t use birth control, if I get her pregnant again she knows I’m perfectly capable of supporting the new baby. My wife is incredibly beautiful and she’s irresistible to me, she says she can’t wait to feel my strong hands on her breasts when I get home.
I think the breakdown of the family unit and children not having access to their father is doing irreparable damage to children especially boys, however girls who grow up without a father are more vulnerable in the world in many ways.
Women deep down want a strong masculine male who is smart, disciplined, displays significant signs of fertility, is a successful provider, gentle with infants and babies, dresses well, has a sense of humour, respects elders to name a few.
I encourage gen z men to get motivated, get employed, get married and make babies for the good of our society
Why are so many men today incapable of being fathers?
It's a direct result of 60 years of radical Feminism and the active destruction of masculinity.. And that was originated by communists working to destroy western culture from within.
The Soviet Union knew that they were at a severe financial disadvantage, which limited their military power. They knew this even before WWII, which they would have lost without significant Lend/Lease assistance from the US, and once the Cold War began, they initiated a massive plan of long-term subversion. They got True Believers into teaching positions in western colleges, and eventually into leadership positions, and they took over the Feminist movement (just as they did with the racial equality movement, and later the environmental movement), and they used those movements to provide cover for their anti-western agenda.
Feminism was retooled from an equality movement into an anti-male movement. Colleges started teaching anti-male ideas, and they were accepted because "college is where you get educated" and if everyone is telling you the same thing, it must be true. By the late 60s, you had a whole generation of people who had been indoctrinated and were leaders in the workforce. So when it came time to pass laws and create policies that were extremely anti-male under the guise of equality, there was plenty of male support.
Divorce laws, child custody laws, female-first policies at every level of education (including the elimination of hands-on learning in favor of book learning), the extremely anti-male depiction of men throughout the media (every husband is a dumb lunk who needs his smart and just wife to keep him from his own destruction) - all of that has served to deminish men's role and men's value in the world. Men - and especially husbands and fathers - are no longer respected in the world. That's not an accident, and it's not just a reflection of reality - those attitudes were systematically planned and pushed by people in power to destroy the nuclear family. Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov explained all of this in a televised interview in the early 1980s, noting that only 15% of the KGBs foreign budget was spent on spying - 85% is spent on SUBVERSION: convincing people to believe in a lie.
This same movement also encouraged women to abandon morality and to adopt male roles and priorities. Women were taught to put careers ahead of families and independence above relationships - and this is constantly reinforced by the media, with full buy-in from big businesses, who get to take advantage of diluted labor costs.
Unfortunately, these ideas did not stay contained to the west, and we are seeing wholesale destruction of the family everywhere but the poorest countries.
This will lead to a massive decrease in population and a significant reduction in lifestyle for everyone, including the elite. We might not entirely lose today's technology, but much of it will be so expensive that most people won't be able to own it. Quality of life will drop significantly, and problems we once had solved will return. In 50 years, society is more likely to reflect the 1930s than the 2030s. There will be a huge societal shift back to traditional family values because there will be daily struggles for anyone on their own. There won't be enough young people to care for the old, and everyone will see with their own eyes people dying from lack of care, and it will terrify them.
We are living in a bubble - a very toxic one - and we're all going to see it pop in the next decade. It will be ugly.
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I would like to see a return to conservative values without religious persecution or control. Women who want to give birth and raise the next generation of Americans, men unafraid to take on the challenges of earning for the family.
There will be a return to that, but there is going to be a lot of pain for everyone in the process. And while religion might not play a big role, the control component is inevitable.
People today are largely oblivious to the path we are currently on - the one towards RAPID extinction - because they aren't feeling a lot of pain yet. The pain is coming, though, and people will take extreme measures to make the pain stop. I hope for less extreme measures, but I'm a student of history and I know how things go in the real world.
In 50 years, the population of the planet may be as little as 1/3 of today, and most living people will be old and closer to the end of their careers than at the beginning, and without young people who can do the hard, physically demanding jobs, advanced society will crumble back 100 years faster than you can believe.
Today, it's very easy to dismiss the men who keep the power on and the water clean, because we've never been without it. But we will be without it, and then, it will be those men, not the men in offices, who are the important ones.
During the Great Depression, the men who lived like kings were, of all people, the mailmen. They had steady government paychecks when everyone else was out of work, so the mailman often owned the biggest, nicest house in town.
The men abandoning their kids are largely not men who wanted wives and kids and commitment. Instead, they are the Bad Boys that women were having casual sex with because they were hot and exciting. Those men had poor morals long before any pregnancy, and that was no secret. That's mostly a result of women - following Feminist teachings - that are sleeping around as if there would be no consequences..
That's like leaving cash unattended around a known thief - you can't be surprised when it disappears.
Women are the gatekeepers of sex, and when they do a poor job of keeping their gate, bad people will get inside. The gatekeeper is supposed to vet people and keep out the ones who don't commit, but a huge number of women today do just the opposite, and the bad outcomes are on them.
women are not gate keepers of anything. you are in control of whether or not you use a condom. you are in control of your own two legs walking away from your kids permanently.
quit looking for someone else to blame for your own misdeeds.
@nastyb: He's a product of the manosphere he probably listens to and watches their insane distorted reality.
He believes whatever ish people like Andrew Tate and their kind says.
You know that the immense majority of men are chasing the top 1% or even top 10% which mathematically is impossible and also suggests most women which on average have a boyfriend or husband are activity hoping and putting in energy chasing a high value man behind their husband's or boyfriend back they preach and teach.
When you listen to BS constantly you start to believe outrageous ish that isn't consistent with the reality day to day world and Mr. Oracle is simply a victim to the BS he feeds his mind with.
@nastyb: I'm not sure about that. I know just from seeing him on here throughout the years he has a very bad habit of blaming women the failures of men when in reality when your life is ish is because you F it up with bad person decisions, not women you never met nor a movement or someone else.
He's been brainwashed along with other men to see themselves as victim and just blame feminism for personal failures with career, relationships or marriage instead of taking 100% responsibility for your own ish.
when you dedicate your life to writing shit about women over the internet, its a clear sign he hates women.
most of the guys on here can't attract any women in real life at all. The easier thing to do is to blame women for all their misfortunes than to really look inward on why they can't attract any women. This will only continue to further keep them single
To me, that theory seems far-fetched, especially considering the current demographic collapse that all the former Soviet republics are now facing. I believe feminism in the US was and is a home-grown phenomenon. Occam's Razor is on my side as well. But then, what do I know?
I do agree with the idea that demographic problems are heading our way too, but the US is in a much better position than any of the former communist states, at least for now.
@altaboy There have been a number of former Soviet defectors who have confirmed it, but Bezmenov is just the only one who was interviewed on TV, and has that interview available on YouTube.
But, yes, the lightning got out of the bottle and spread to the East too - aided by technology, the media, and civilization (most people living in cities rather than in rural areas closer to the land and tradition).
The US is in trouble, but, yes, Japan is the demographic collapse leader, followed closely by China, South Korea, and Russia. The US is 20-30 years behind, but it's coming for us too.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy I'm not blaming the failures of men on women - I'm holding women accountable for their own decisions.
Just as there have always been criminals, they've always been a small percentage of the population. You can choose to run with criminals, or you can choose to avoid them. I think we all know what's likely to happen if you choose to run with them: you're likely to end up in legal trouble. Likewise, there have always been Bad Boys - guys who are just looking for casual sex and have no interest in relationships, commitment, or responsibility. And most men are NOT Bad Boys - but a lot of women intentionally CHOOSE Bad Boys, because they're exciting (danger is exciting), and then want to blame all men when the Bad Boy she chose walks away from an unwanted pregnancy. Yes, those men are reprehensible, but they are easily avoided if some effort is made to do so. So many women (though, for sure, not all women) are completely unwilling and uninterested in making that effort, because they refuse to deny themselves something they want in the moment. And then they want to blame men when it goes badly.
Women have the choice of the men they sleep with. Most women today are NOT picking men who want to be husbands and fathers, or are interested in relationships and commitment, even though plenty of such men exist. Instead, they are picking guys they KNOW aren't interested in those things, and then pretend to be surprised when that man doesn't step up to be a husband and father - as if no one could have seen that coming.
@nastyb i think he probably lost his kids in family court like me. Can you imagine losing your kids and them being gaslit about you by mom and alienated from you by her and the courts. Then when they become adults they become drug addicts, or thieves, or commit self-deletion, or do some other unspeakable thing? You can’t even imagine
@Oncewildtwiceburned I've never been married and I have no kids. I'm not even discussing ME personally at all. I'm making generalizations. I socialize. I talk to lots of people, and a lot of people, men and women both, come to me with their issues. That's been the case for about 30 years. My niece used to bring her friends to talk to me about relationship stuff. All my friends and many of my coworkers have done the same over the years.
I'm not sure why so many people want to make it about ME personally - I'm already in a relationship and am not on the dating market. But I talk to plenty of people who still are, and I hear their stories, and it doesn't take very long before you start seeing the same patterns over and over again.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy It becomes my place when, as a man, I'm being blamed for their outcomes - which is what so often happens. That's how this thread began, remember: men were blamed.
If women took personal accountability (and some do!), they wouldn't be blaming men, and I wouldn't be here talking about it. But most women don't take accountability, and prefer to blame men instead. That's when I'm going to jump in.
Weak men are ill suited to raise children, we need a strong healthy society that can stand on its own two feet without mass migration from countries with different values.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy We care because those women let those men get them pregnant, then they have their babies and become single mothers. And those children then grow up to become menaces to society. Not only that, but they raise all of our taxes from their use of government services.
@Jamie05rhs: Then use that same energy towards men because women don't become pregnant unless a man willingly is having sex with them and ejaculating constantly in her.
That's just as effective as addressing criminal behavior by saying "teach people not to commit crime". We already do that overall, but there are always people who don't raise their kids that way, and there are always a percentage of people who just want easy money and don't mind fraud or theft to get it. And most men don't have unprotected casual sex with random women - but there's always a percentage who do. And of that group, the vast majority are not going to stand up to be good fathers because they were always selfish and self centered from the start.
You can't wish away the bad people, but you absolutely CAN choose not to have unprotected sex with them. But a lot of women still do it anyway. They have near 100% control and could virtually eliminate unwanted pregnancies, but they choose otherwise.
Why do you exempt them from any responsibility? Why does society overwhelmingly exempt women from responsibility? Why is the blame always on the men, for everything?
I never said I put 100% of the blame on women. That's idiotic. Just as I wouldn't put 100% of the blame on you if you were hanging out with a criminal and caught a case.
There are always going to be bad people who do the wrong things, and they are absolutely responsible for their own actions. But that is so self-evident that it shouldn't need to be mentioned. That said, if a guy has been arrested for armed robbery 12 times, do you think he can be trusted not to commit robberies in the future, or the present? No, of course not, and that's why you don't hang out with robbers. If you do anyway, you are responsible for the parts that affect YOU, because they were easily avoidable. Just the same, if a woman has sex with a man who is known to sleep around, known to not commit, and maybe even known to have kids with past flings that he doesn't support or parent, she is responsible for the parts that affect her, right along with him.
The vast majority of these abandoned kids aren't from committed husbands or serious boyfriends, they're from flings - guys who were never committed and never pretended to be.
Of COURSE a woman can tell with a very high level of probability whether a man she's banging would stick around if she got pregnant. And I bet you could accurately list the things that made it likely or unlikely, if, say, you stood to win $1000 in cash for doing so.
But you don't want women to have ANY accountability. It's far easier to just blame the men. But that won't help all the women who knowingly made poor choices in men, got pregnant, and had that man leave.
@nastyb yes, because she could and statistically WILL leave and try to take at least half of everything 99.99% of the time, if its discovered or finally realized by the man that is why she is with him
why shouldn't she take half of everything? she doesn't have a career and has 5 kids to feed and house. of course she needs half of everything TO RAISE THE KIDS.
I say you're expired because young hot girls in their 20s do not go out with broke, old, aging men nearing 40. ESPECIALLY a man who tries to justify abandoning his own kids.
Decades of Reganomics have seen the American dream wither for many Americans. There has been the greatest transfer of wealth from the bottom to the top in American history. Both political parties are bought by billionaires and so you're seeing a generation of men who aren't earning enough to support families in the way they used to be able to back when unions were strong and the top marginal tax rate was over 90%. It's convenient to scapegoat immigrants, but anyone dumb enough to believe that is being laughed at by the billionaires who financed the conservative think tanks to source scapegoats so they can keep their obscene wealth and not pay the same tax rates that the rich used to when the American middle class was more successful.
You want strong American men and families? The Green New Deal is the right direction to help build a strong and sustainable future for the country. You can father a hundred kids and "provide" for them, but their bodies are probably already full of microplastics and teflon because Americans stoped protecting our resources and caring about the common good. "Conservative" values have resulted in a selfish and destructive course for the US.
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I am female. I don’t dislike kids but I don’t want kids because I feel I am not mentally well enough. I likely will never be mentally well enough to raise a child. I got diagnosed with a neurological condition at 17 called Hashimoto's encephalopathy and this condition has no cure. One woman I work with has a 4 year old daughter and she has more than once has told me things like “I feel so tired because my daughter was so noisy and didn’t sleep well last night.” The neurological condition I have already causes fatigue so having a child would probably make my tiredness very extreme. You also have to drop children off to school, day care, feed them and clean up their mess. Being so tired all the time is not a good way to raise children. Also I find this world to be a scary place. I work with a woman who had a daughter who committed suicide at the age of 17. I don’t have kids but just imagining I did I would be so devastated if something like that happened to me. Also bullying is very common in today’s world. A parent can’t always predict if they child is going to come home crying because people at school has been mistreating them. I can’t handle the thought of maybe my child being possible bullied and fall into depression.
I rather not have children so I don’t have to worry about all these potential possible hardships.
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There are a number of reasons why an individual might not be able or want to have children. I’m simply saying that men should want to get married and have children
if you had a kid, there is a chance your kid might also end up with your terrible condition. Or your grandkids can get it. Its best to just stop it from happening in future generations
@nastyb My condition is called Hashimoto's encephalopathy is not genetic. Also it only affect about 2 people per 100,000 so if I maybe has children in the future their chances of getting it is very low
You make a good point about young men today, but let’s not get it twisted. The problem isn’t just with the gamers and basement dwellers, although they are a part of it. The bigger issue is even the average guy earning around $50k isn’t making enough to support a family alone. Beyond financial stability, there’s a whole spectrum of what makes a man a worthy partner and father.
Women need more than just a provider. They need emotional support from a partner who’s level headed and emotionally available. They need a guy who supports their ambitions and is cooperative, a real partner. Loyalty, respect, and a willingness to share domestic duties are non negotiable these days. Too many men, young AND old… are too unwilling on that. Also, A woman needs time away from the kids without feeling guilty or burdened, and many husbands don’t step up to make that feasible. She should be able to schedule a trip with her girlfriends for a week and know the kids and husband won’t freak out or starve to death when she’s gone.
So, if these aspects of being a good partner and father aren’t met, why should women be eager to jump into motherhood? We need to raise the bar for what it means to be a successful man. It’s a lot more than being a provider or making money.
Don't forget , rwoman was made for man , not man for woman. Men don't need training from a woman nor do we need to be addressed as women as u all adress each other. Women ( must ) articulate they're own value through actions towards a man , not the other way around. Sure , there's a lot wrong with some men... more wrong with a calculated amount pf women out numbering men with this issue by a large margin. Most of this whole country of the US is Ave 40 to 50000 annually and most do live just find ways to make it work. So again your point is ; ?
Courtship traditionally involves men pursuing and proving their worth to women. Why? Because in the realm of dating, women often have more options. Men typically find themselves having to step up their game because women can often choose from a multitude of potential partners. They’re not desperate for any single option. So, if a man wants to be the choice rather than a choice, he’s got to show he’s worth it.
Untrue. Women do not automatically deserve any man's worth. The woman must show her worth to be taken from him. Traditions or not. This is the new modern women's plight to switch value and worth roles to try and be superior over what's always been since the dawn of mankind.
It’s about attraction and intrigue, and let’s be real, women hold the cards because they are, quite frankly, the more physically appealing ones. They bring the allure, the mystique, the beauty, and yes, the seduction. In this game of courtship, women are undeniably compelling, often having men lined up without even trying. Think about it, any woman typically knows she has options, lots of them, from men ready and willing to step up without her so much as lifting a finger. Meanwhile, men have to put in effort to prove their worth, making their case to be the chosen one. That’s just nature. Women, with their inherent appeal and the abundance of choices, naturally become the choosers.
Not true. I personally am not of the majority most modern women today seek men as myself with nothing really to bring to the table. U think deep and hard about how many women are categorizing a delusional value of themselfs with no avail. The point is I'm the one who chooses who comes along the ride with me. My worth is already long established and publicated.
This isn’t about you personally or any single person. It’s about general dating dynamics where, generally, women have the advantage of choice due to their allure and the sheer volume of interest they receive. This isn’t a reflection on your personal situation or worth, but rather an observation of common patterns in modern dating. Women, by virtue of their appeal and options, often end up being the choosers.
That’s why a lot of men who are providers avoid women like you…. They know what is and isn’t worth it.
I’m telling you men of “high value” have extremely high standards. The same as women do who have “high value”
Most the men women like you will take advantage of in the end. Is men who are alone. Divorced. Etc that you can get to fall for you because they don’t get a lot of attention.
There are good men who are providers. Emotionally supportive. The list goes on. But they want a woman who also provided something of value. Not just sitting around entitled like you are. Contributing nothing while demanding everything.
What? I’ve been married for 17 years and we’re doing great. We both give value in ways that we prefer and appreciate of each other. So I don't know what you’re on about, boo-boo but it doesn’t apply here.
I think women need to have realistic expectations for potential husbands. Though I think men need to step up their game a lot. We need to learn how to:
Be a gentleman Learn how to talk to women Stop vaping/drug use Stop smoking Get educated or obtain job skills Dress well/get a proper haircut Have well maintained facial hair Eat well and exercise Get a place of your own Have a clean well maintained vehicle Stop swearing 🤬 like a fool Show respect for older people Ignore angry feminists and gross misogynistic men Mind your alcohol consumption Learn to participate in conversation Stop playing video games (It’s childish) Have some knowledge of literature
These are things that will turn you into a high value man.
If you want to be successful with women what you are actually doing is convincing her at least on the subconscious level is your a good man to make babies with. Women try and avoid weak men because they are incapable of protecting for her and her babies and they will not provide for her when she’s vulnerable because she’s heavily pregnant or busy breastfeeding.
Protector and provider men are the men who passed their genes to the next generation throughout history. It comes down to this
Do you want to be an evolutionary winner or an evolutionary loser?
@MzAsh You are correct, women today are the choosers. However, that was not the case 120 years. Books like Pride and Prejudice were actually more of a feminist fantasy than a reality, though sometimes upper class women could have a choice, it was rare and it definitely wasn’t the case in most societies all of over the world and definitely not the case for commoners.
Y’all are pretty, men want to care for you and protect you and have kids, this fulfills them, regardless of whether they admit it or are aware of it. Yeah, you all can be pretty, but your not built for protecting and providing.
It’s BOTH men and women who are to blame. People have become lazy, entitled, ungrateful, and everything else. But I will say many men with the provider mindset get used as well as good hearted women get used because they see the best in people even men who refuse to even work a job or any kind. They can’t even wash dishes….
There is a lot of one sidedness and entitlement of people. For instance there are women that you’ll never please. Nothing will ever be good enough for them. Their husband works 70 hours a week so she can sit around doing nothing but cheating with bums and losers behind his back. While blowing all his money. Refused to do her part. Refused to clean. Refused to cook refused to really do anything.
There are men too jobless playing video games while the wife does everything. A lot of people just don’t want to do anything. They feel entitled and are extremely LAZY people.
People need to be careful who they marry because not everyone’s in it for love and a lot of men need to understand. If something happens to him… And he isn’t able to provide anymore that woman’s GONE…. And I mean GONE GONE… I’m sorry you got injured at work. But those wedding vows mean nothing.
Now hopefully you married a good woman you deserve to have a good woman. But unfortunately good people of both sexes get caught up with absolutely horrible people.
Well, I think the essence of your post is how much of a great successful man you are, and to 'man up'.
So while I think what you're saying is not incorrect, real life is a lot more complicated than that. That old phrase, show me the boy at 7 and I'll show you the man. If those patterns and right messages aren't there growing up, ie a strong, positive male role model, then when you reach adulthood, it's almost as if you're learning everything yourself from scratch, with a lot of trial and failures.
Men are also neutered with feminism. Told that their natural sex energy is dangerous. These feminised men lack drive.
You are right. Society should be more straight forward. But we've fallen in on ourselves. The rot is set in from every corner.
The average, or even a professional salary here for a man, isn't enough to buy a house and provide for a wife and children. A lot of men have fallen into hopelessness. Hence the porn and gaming. They can't fulfill their most basic biology to be a provider.
So yes, personal responsibility, I do agree with. But the odds are stacked against men.
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The problem is not as simple as that. Men who get a woman pregnant before they are emotionally mature and financially stable enough to settle down and be a father are far more likely to walk away or just be lousy fathers. That scenario plays out FAR more often today than it did in the past.
Why? Because casual sex has become the norm. There are no guardrails anymore. In the past, sex before marriage was uncommon. So in the vast majority of cases, when a man got a woman pregnant he was already committed to being her life partner a father to her children. Not so anymore.
Women no longer "screen" the men they sleep with in advance so they know he'll be a good partner and father. They just let their hormones control them (just like men).
Also consider the fact that when a woman has an unwanted pregnancy and isn't ready to be a parent, she can just have an abortion and walk away from parenthood. Men have no such "out", so men FAR more often than women find themselves in a situation where they are forced to become a parent before they are ready without any alternative.
All of those factors have combined to create a condition where the rate of children born out of wedlock has skyrocketed from 8% to almost 50% in just a few short decades.
Women are the gatekeepers to sex, and men are the gatekeepers to relationships, and today's men are taking their gatekeeper role far more seriously than women are taking theirs for variety of reasons.
I'm a father of two, and I feel the same way you do about being a father. But I see the realities of what young men and women face today and have empathy for both sides. BOTH sides are equally responsible for the current condition, and BOTH need to do better. It's typical of modern society to point the finger at men for any and all problems. We must start holding women accountable for their part in the problem too, or the actual underlying causes will never be addressed.
Girls need to be smarter about whom they sleep with. And there is one birth control pill that is 100% fool-proof and safe! It's called an aspirin tablet. The woman holds it between her knees! The late radio psychologist Dr. Joy Brown said that a woman MUST have two things before she sleeps with a man: A ring and a date. In case it's not clear, that means a wedding date, not the middleastern fruit! Ladies, DON'T HAVE SEX WITH A MAN WHO ISN'T COMMITTED TO YOU!
@Keyboardkat Agree 100%. And again, men are equally to blame, but women hold the keys to the castle, so to speak, and they need to start guarding the castle again, like they used to, and not letting just any visitor through the gates for a casual visit. They need to screen their "visitors" MUCH more thoroughly.
Multiple reasons, maybe the guy didn't have a proper father growing up, many dads from back in the day and even today can't teach their kids properly. A typical dad from 1970s, 1980s type was sit on the couch, tell his kids to shut up and suck it up, that's not parenting. Also, feminism is a toxic ideology, that views masculinity as being toxic. Masculinity doesn't mean strong muscles, it identifies how to be a man in different parts of life. For me, I may not know how to fix a tire on a car, but I have studied politics, economics, business, religion, history, ways to make money then to believe this lying ass, government-banking concoction they have manipulated billions of people around the world. I have played competitive sports like basketball, if I had a son that went 0/12 in a game, I'd say don't worry about it, keep practicing you'll do better next game. With religion - we live in a world of hatred where Christians, Muslims, Jews fight with each other, for what?
Those are the 3 main Abrahamic faiths, those pillars have similar religious practices and reading the Torah, the Bible and Quran and knowing the difference between religion vs a political ideology like Zionism, Wahhabism and Imperialism. I cook food, take out the trash, currently work 2 jobs and go to grad school, shovel the driveway in the winters, garden in the summers. How to be patient, advice about what type of girls to view as marriage material, to cut off stupid friends who do drugs, drink, party, to eat clean and exercise, I would get them involved in MMA classes, how to study and work hard in school. That's what I would bring to the table. To respect others but be firm with how you feel about things. I would say if there's a job you absolutely hate, I would say wait it out and see how things go if you were still dissatisfied look for something better and follow your passions as long as it doesn't conflict with your morals and ethics.
"a strong masculine male" like a gym freak? no, thank you :D "smart" yep, it's not fun with not smart men :D "disciplined" it depends what you mean by that... I'm lazy AF :D "displays significant signs of fertility" I don't care... but he has to know, how to make me scream in bed :D "is a successful provider" I don't care "gentle with infants and babies" it's always useful, there are always plenty kids in the family who want to have a favorite uncle, but not required "dresses well" as long as he doesn't dress women stuff, and doesn't go naked, I don't care "has a sense of humour", yes "respects elders" at least those who want to be respected :D
you have to split what women want, what mothers want for their children and what children need...
So a man in crisis is a threat, that's why we don't respect homeless men, something is wrong, and they cannot be trusted.
All of that is absolutely true.
But this is why men cannot be victims and be helped by others.
Women are not perceived as a physical threat in the same way, although in truth are almost more dangerous in thier manipulation, but it's a secondary threat.
We keep forgetting that there are a lot of bad moms out there, whether single or married, and we keep trying to put all the burden and blame on fathers. No doubt, there are lazy, lousy guys out there who wouldn't make good fathers, or aren't good fathers. But there are a shit ton of women who are not mom material either, or they're already failing their kids.
Not holding them accountable is also part of the problem in this country. We got millions of moms who do have custody of the kids, or who are a married mom and they are still shitty and failing their children. Instead, we keep vindicating and excusing them as if a family unit or leadership is entirely the father's responsibility. It is truly ignorant.
It's not as easy as telling men to just get money and become good fathers. They are the way they are because of their lack of a good father. So how can a man become something they never had a good example of in their own childhoods? It takes much effort, patience, and grace to become a man someone can call a good father. If they want it that is. I have faith in my generation, even if they may feel hostile towards me as a woman. They need more good examples in media, more books about being a good man in general (NOT THOSE STUPID ALPHA MALE CLASSES), older peers at work, or on the internet to help them achieve that future. Unfortunately, that will never happen in a world like this, and although I do not doubt that you're a loving father, you seem to have a couple thinking points that if elaborated on, may show you also hold some bad ideas of what a man truly is.
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I agree, examples like Andrew Tate are glorifying a form of masculinity that is simply not real. Men need to be irresistible to women and I don’t think young men today are doing that at all
I want to add an opinion on this, but first, congrats on what seems to be a happy healthy family! I do want to know some more information before I give a full opinion though. How are you handling your own teens? Are they getting along with you? If so, how do you do it? It must be a challenge.
All I'll say for now is economics has a MASSIVE role in why people aren't populating as much. Selfishness is there sometimes too, but it can go either way with having kids or not. Ill also point out a contradictory thing. The guys you point out are a massive part of society. However, that HAS to change in order to get population to go up. The question is how? And also, how will you work to make sure your own boys don't end up the same?
One reason (at least sometimes) is because we legally have less authority over our kids than a) their mom b) the state c) the child them self d) the school e) a random doctor f) a random cop g) a random social worker h) can’t fight swat
So, now since thats covered, they were likley fatherless as there has been a huge uptick in biologically fatherless kids in the west and ots the first time in history such an increase has ever happened without a war being the primary factor.
The so called system is entirely corrupted EXACTLY! And I have had someone in my family a cop say it over and over again ignorance of the law is no excuse. And you know he is absolutely right it's not an excuse it's an absolute DEFENSE. And that's the problem cops are perfectly willing to enforce man's law without even questioning it once. And had they been questioning things and following God's Law NOT MAN'S LAW, we would have never found humanity in this mess.
@CB-Raido-Time gold rules, well nihilism and hedonism do - since there isn’t even a gold standard, until the pain of inaction outweighs the pain of action - the Guinea pigs of this commie mouse utopia won’t do shit.
". . . to get motivated, get employed, get married and make babies for the good of our society" LOL Spoken like the true words of a boomer.
It's difficult to be a father to children when we live a society that is stacked against men in particular white men. Men cannot form stable families when you are easily discriminated against in academia and the workplace simply for being a straight white male. Men cannot form stable families when we live a society that gives females undue privileges.
It's all intentional it's the intentions of the synagogue of satan to rid the world of whites aka white genocide. Go to bitchute. com and enter a search under white genocide. You will find they are being exposed everywhere over there. PS while you are there in your search also enter the following: children dying - children vaccine - vaccine - and genocide.
I am a so-called Boomer. I happen to agree with everything you've said. I take STRONG issue with the use of the term "Boomer" as derogatory or perjorative. It's interesting that both men and women complain about being descriminated against in the workplace. Guys complain they can't get hired. Women complain they get paid less than men for the same work. Or a female executive with an MBA will be the one asked to go get coffee for everyone while the "men" have their business meeting where they discuss all the "real" stuff.
I actually give you a lot of respect for pointing this out. Many men on here pretend this doesn't happen very much or that this isn't a problem. But I will say that this is not just a "nowadays" thing. Men have abandoned their children all throughout history. Its just been happening a bit more recently.
The reason why so many men abandon their children is because men cannot value something that they didn't struggle to bring into this world. Women bond with their babies throughout pregnancy- feeling it moving, turning, kicking daily bas a profound impact on parent to baby bond. Besides this, the enormous struggle of pushing out a baby- makes a parent acknowledge how much work it takes to bring someone into the world. Thus, it puts a lot more value into the baby.
What I would tell women today is "if a man doesn't marry you, just assume that you may very well expect to become a single mother at some point in your life (if not now)".
Women bond with their babies throughout pregnancy? is because men cannot value something that they didn't struggle to bring into this world? You think because we men are forbidden by the so called legal system the courts etc and any and everything to do with children forbidden to be even near children anywhere at any time in our lives that it means we men don't bond to children? I would have adopted had I not been forbidden to due to being a he not a she, however just like marriage that avenue was closed off to me as well. Do you really think all the prohibition put on men means men don't bond to children? You are living in a feminist indoctrinated fantasy.
I just see men smoking weed, playing video games, not getting educated or getting jobs. It irks me that our society is full of men who can’t stand on their own two feet.
I wish I could actually do something to encourage younger men to man up and get a fucking life already.
Well the problem is young men can't man up and stand on their own two feet with a entire system stacked against and financial wise can't make a living due to jobs they depended on taken away from them given to foreign countries men can't make a living. And if that wasn't bad enough illegals were imported to do the remaining jobs. And then throw in all the male hatred brought against them.
you're just pointing out the FEW men who actually care to fight for custody. MOST MEN DON'T FIGHT FOR CUSTODY. EVEN MORE MEN DO NOT PAY CHILD SUPPORT.
We all have known multiple people who grew up without fathers. Its not uncommon thing for fathers to abandon their kids. We just never talk about it enough. Its almost taboo to be taking about such a thing.
Men should always provide for their children no matter what the circumstances are. I’m divorced from the mother of my children and I’m happy to pay my support. My ex and I agreed to acceptable term for access for our 3 kids, no need to fight.
Men have been rejected by society humanity and even boys know this. And once something like that happens first there is grief and then comes acceptance it doesn't even require any thinking it's automatic. And once there is acceptance the focus leaves and there is a resignation of the idea and with divorce rape system rigging demonifying vilifying of men joblessness of men I think that is where it is now men have largely given up.
do you realize how many families out there operate without a father in the house?
the number is so high, it is so common, you can't even joke about this
the problem with our society is that nobody likes to talk about this. When the topic does get brought up, people act like its uncommon for men to abandon their kids or that it never happens.
And demomcrats wonder why they lost the election. - here is the answer - you BLAME everything on men. If you were blamed for everything - would you vote for them? Would you wanna be with them? And if men are the problem, i have a question for you ladies- WHO RAISED THOSE MEN? But naaaah - it is never about taking responsibility - its always blaming someone else. And ignoring the fact that 45% of women will be single and childish by 2030. Democrats typical answer would be "Oh, its because men are useless" And rest of men can answer same idiotic way to your topic by - "we dont wanna have kids because women are useless." Now what?
I love children they make this world worth living in there can not be enough children in it to satisfy me and I wanted them in my life. The problems are that men through the so called entertainment business movies show etc and the MSM media and the so called justice system have demonized and vilified men so bad to the point men have been evicted from family schools parks anything that has anything to do with children.
And though the exposure sources such as MGTOW etc exposing what has happened to men the divorcing raping and all the demonizing of men men sadly have decided no more dating no more marriage and no more children. And if all that isn't bad enough women no only aborting aka murdering children via their feminist indoctrination have decided to never have children,
And if all the above wasn't bad enough now that c-19 genocide murder shot is killing masses of children worldwide and they are still to this very day giving those shots.
wym today's men... this isn't the first generation to have a lot of missing or shitty fathers lol
pretty sure EVERY GUY on my mom's side of the family has been either neglectful, abusive, or just not even there lmao literally my dad, grandpa, and great-greatpa, and even the one after that bc my great-grandpa ran away as a kid from him. literally GOT on a train to get away from him
Most men under 30 are nothing but big children. As you correctly pointed out, they are too obsessed with video games, anime, and porn. Even worse, some men NEVER fully mature. I have talked to men on here in their 30s, 40s and beyond that still have the mentality of a young teen. It is no wonder they are incapable of being good husbands and fathers.
Simply spoken because they don´t grow up to fit that role. Their education isn´t focused on that either because they lack fathers or roles models that teach them that. The issue is that many young guys live a life that´s seperated from social interaction and they are therefore afraid or not interested in having a family. They are incapable because they are not prepared for that role.
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If women were as skinny and feminine as they were 50 years ago, and courts/laws didn't completely go to war against men, I'm sure guys would be much more willing to make families.
I made a family with a skinny, feminine, traditional woman. That's like 5% of the female population. I don't blame guys for not wanting to put their entire well-being and freedom on the line for a heavy, masculine, promiscuous feminist. Then just hope she doesn't decide to destroy him at a whim.
It is important to be a good father if you are a father, but it's not important to father children. Not everybody is cut out to be a good father. The world doesn't need more mouths to feed, either. It's not the 1800's anymore, genius. You're projecting what you think determines your own worth on other people. It's not every man's goal in life to father children. Every man doesn't need some bullshit legacy to carry on his futile desire for a false sense of immortality.
This so f... wrong on so many levels , it's complicated to the people that try to fathom a different truth other than they're very own. Only someone of the new ages (modern) moment is the only one that could or would ask such a spun narratives question not knowing any other difference.
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I think real men simply need to raise our children, encourage young men in our families and communities to be masculine. If there’s a single woman with a boy invite him along on a fishing trip or something like that.
Agreed. So where's there any mothers our there not trying to be a boss bitch , money hungry , man acting female interested in staying home and actually raising they're children especially with disapline and not having contention towards the father yet being a reconciler instead? Where are they at?
Then again u can fairly point ur finger at all the single ruthless mothers out there training they're boys to be little bitches not allowing men to raise the boys. Yea we know the Ole reason fathers are generally absent. Modern women again.
I have a glimpse of hope for Gen Z females. They are starting to see the evil in feminism, they don’t desire to be the big boss bitch. Many of these women in their early twenties are really taking a step back and reflecting on what it means to be woman, what they want for their lives, and more often than not it’s try my best to find a man a slightly older man, get married, get pregnant and be there for the family.
I’m optimistic in the fact that their grandmothers fucked it up they’re going to un-fuck it. Think about how good this will be, American women having American babies. It means less immigrants coming from the Middle East with jihad motivations for America.
I think America needs to promote this more. I propose a family first tax incentive for only men whose wives stay at home. This means the working man who has a wife and kids gets some relief from Uncle Sam. It wouldn’t be a handout but an investment in a future without mass migration but a strong self sustaining population.
The problem is , is the direction the women have taken. Especially a lot of single house holds primarily bc of contention the females claim against men then they marry the government for support and there's the the problem right there with women raising males to be just like themselfs basically.
Fatherless undisciplined females and undisciplined and fatherless males in a single mothers guidance has caused already detrimental articulational problematical disfunctioning houes holds along with deep rooted outcomes of deep degrees of issues concerning adult responsibility and accountability of both m/f
It was communists in universities that promoted the idea of single parent households. It was intentional to erode the underpinnings of western society. It appears to have succeeded all to well
How nice. being a father in the US now means a 70% chance of divorce within 8 years, with subsequent loss of all your property, money, and children, and 18 years of child support for each child AND alimony.
Do you seriously think any halfway-sane human being will sign up for this?
We are not incapable - we are UnWILLING and for very good reasons: divorce, alimony; child support, loss of custody and contact, confiscation of our property and money.
Our society is shit. Who wants to have kids these days? Also, there’s women out there who don’t want kids. I’m one of them. So really this was an absolute troll post.
Women don't want kids these days because they are indoctrinated with feminism and feminism is of the devil. Women have failed their God Given role for humanity.
@CB-Raido-Time I’ve never wanted kids because I don’t want to be a parent for the rest of my life. If that makes me a bad person, I’ll take that title.
Being a good father is tied down to a man's personal values.
Some men just don't care about being a good father because the things they value in life isn't geared to family building and unity.
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Blaming young men for finding more agreeable and cheaper ways to amuse and motivate themselves than a generation of women who are raised to pay more attention to their careers than creating a family seems a little superficial.
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lol so it’s that easy huh? Lol There’s more to it. It’s not just the men. Stop trying to be a white knight. Today’s batch of women are just as screwed up too.
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Because it's what most women want today. Men always adapt to what women demand. And today's woman generally don't want to be moms. So there's no reason for a man to become any kind of a father.
And unfortunately many of these people will just never see it. They usually aren’t happy with their lives but they I guess feel they can feel more satisfied when they make everyone agree with them.
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