Would you get a vaccine for the corona virus?

[Anonymous]

Yes

No

[N192K001]

According to the International Vaccine Institute (I. V. I.)'s Director General, Dr. Jerome Kim, the general time-frame for vaccine-development (from Phases Ⅰ to the 2-yr Phase Ⅲ, plus the de-facto Ⅳ) is 5-10yr.'s. (14:47-21:40), while a rushed COVID-19 vaccine is being forced into 12-18months (21-40-27:50).

https://www.youtube.com/embed/5cYWd0N8nO4

Meanwhile, Pres. Trump reported that there may be a vaccine developed by the end of the year.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/495897-trump-predicts-us-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-by-years
Given that 93% of vaccine-candidates fail before finishing (18:29-18:39) and the massive time-cut, HOW MUCH OF THE INDUSTRY-STANDARD QUALITY-CONTROLS WILL BE SKIPPED TO FIR THIS TIME-LIMIT (assuming it is kept)? (And 5-10yr.'s should be a reasonable time-frame to detect any long-term side-effects, if any. How about less than 1yr‽) How are we sure a failure is not forced to 'succeed' just for the sake of the due-date?

Will you risk your & your love-ones health, well-being, and even lives on a massively-rushed car? I wouldn't.

Besides, W. H. O. admits that 80% of COVID-19 patients have NO or MILD SYMPTOMS.
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-similarities-and-differences-covid-19-and-influenza
Also, my immune system is strong. I haven't gotten sick in more than a decade! There have been 0 drugs prescribed to me for years on end. (At most, I've just been recommended a multivitamin or omega-3 tablets.) I've never gotten a flu-vaccine and haven't fallen to the flu's attacks for (again) more than a decade, despite the microbial barrage during flu season.

I don't need a COVID-19 vaccine. If ever I'll get it, I'll wait for 5-10years when the long-term effects of the massively-rushed vaccine finally comes to light.

[N192K001]

Correction: "HOW MUCH OF THE INDUSTRY-STANDARD QUALITY-CONTROLS WILL BE SKIPPED TO FOR THIS TIME-LIMIT (assuming it is kept)?"

[Shamalien]

silly rabbit, you can't post intelligent, non partisan breakdowns of well researched information on a forum! There's no cannon fodder for the hardcore leftists, no 'murica' for the hard core righties, there is nothing to latch onto but pure cold facts! Who has time to read those, am I right?

All these fucking morons posting about how anyone that won't take it 'denies basic biology, doesn't understand science'

it's like they actually read rules for radicals and are consciously fighting for the NWO, except they never read it, they were just brainwashed.

[N192K001]

@Shamalien lol Yup, the whole COVID-19 issue has been utterly politicized and oversimplified to fit sound-byte narratives by irresponsible media. Personally detecting and, then, transmitting the intricacies of the problem is like an uphill struggle. Given that this generation has more data available at their fingertips, and this is still an issue makes we want to blame the world's academic systems. Educating citizens should be more than just getting them competent enough to hold jobs.

[Shamalien]

the very idea that any government regulated institution can properly educate a citizen to be skeptical of government policy is fucking lunacy and the reason we are in this situation in the first place.

Uphill battle... that's a nice way to put it XD I would liken it to trying to raise the dead right out of the cold hard ground

[N192K001]

@Shamalien Yup. Back in the Philippines, academics is dominated by private-schools. It's the poor who can't afford it who attend government-institutions (but even the poor go into debt just to give their kids a fighting chance to a good education). The competition for tuition-money not only restrains the price-increases of admission, but also provides a variety of educations: Catholic (Franciscan, Dominican, Jesuit, etc.), international (mainland Chinese, democratic Chinese via Taiwan, Japanese, Indian, American, etc.) with coordination of PH Department of Education & foreign ministry/department counterparts, combinations (ex. Chinese Catholic), physical-science specializations, etc. (Of course, that's not to say that majority of my Filipino compatirots are enlightened scholars! lol Locally-made T. V.. programming & the pandemic spread of ridiculously-fake 'news' in PH social-media proves this, even to a depressing degree.)

But imagine my surprise when I discovered that most Americans were schooled in government-schools. Unfortunately, education these days is not what it should be.

[Shamalien]

Damn thats a funny juxtaposition lol yeah I don't know how a country like America let itself sink so low...

[genericname85]

no i would not. we had a similar situation 2009/10 with the swine flu, where a disease was artificially inflated by statistical estimations which lead to a rushed development for a vaccine. as a consequence, the vaccine they brought to the marked (Pandemrix) causes narcolepsy. many people, specially children who took that vaccine are now disabled because they took that vaccine. right now we're in even more of a rush, cause the statistical estimations exaggerated even more this time than 2009.

meanwhile we no know that corona virus has mortality figures comparable to a seasonal flu. so i will choose the unlikely outcome of getting corona and having complications witht hat over the relatively likely outcome of having unknown negative consequences of the neext vaccine.

besides, the corona vaccine will very likely come at a point in time, where the next variety of flu-like disease comes around, which will likely already be immune against that vaccination.

i am generally for vaccinations. with flu type diseases, vaccinations make no sense though. especially not for people that are not even in the endangered age group.

[Levin]

Interesting. I don't think the mortality rates are comparable though between the flu and the corona virus. The corona virus has not been allowed to be 'out there', ie with lockdown and all, and the death rates are already similar.

Having said that, yes, I would rather swerve the vaccine, for the reasons discussed. However, it wouldn't surprise me if it become mandatory and contingent on going back to work.

[genericname85]

@Levin look at Sweden and Switzerland on comparison. Switzerland had the most extreme lockdown in Europe and Sweden didn't have a lockdown. Both countries have comparable infection and fatality rates.

The death rates are right now still hyperinflated. Because we are still counting everyone who dies "with" corona as corona death. That's why the average death age is so high (80 years).
From a statistical standpoint, not separating those who died with the disease from those that died to the disease is dumb. The numbers will be corrected once we have the data to separate those.

However we do have example studies that indicate that the people who actually died to corona is way less than 50% of the death count that is currently all over the media

[genericname85]

@Levin i have to correct myself. Switzerland had the WORSE fatality rates than Sweden who had no lockdown while Switzerland had the worst lockdown in Europe. so much for the effectivity of a lockdown...

[Levin]

There's definitely things that don't add up. If there's anything in particular you think I should read, please post it my way. It's hard to filter out the bullshit.

[genericname85]

@Levin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6MZy-2fcBw if anything i would suggest listening to this guy. he is probably the worlds most renowned scientist on the topic.

[genericname85]

so both the litterally says both numbers, deaths and infections are wrong. we have less deaths that are decumented and more infections than are documented. that means the risk to die becomes 50 TIMES or more lower than the media is currently still telling us based on the initial estimations.

[Anonymous]

You know the anti vaccers can do what they want. Because I mean all of us that would get the vaccination would be fine, if anyone was to die it would be the anti vaccers. Great - natural selection taking away that dumbass anti vaccer Gene from the genepool!😂

[MountAverage]

Unfortunately, that's not how it works. Herd immunity can only be reached if 90+ % of the population is vaccinated. And most importantly, all the people who can't get vaccinated (erderly, people with certain conditions, etc.) absolutely depend on that herd immunity. Not getting vaccinated affects EVERYONE, it's not a personal choice. It should be mandatory.

[JohnPrestwick]

@MountAverage Actually, the percentage needed for herd immunity varies by illness. For airborne viruses like measles it has to be as high as 95%, but for Covid-19 it is more likely to be 60-70%. The percentage is calculated with the formula 1 - (1/R), where R is the average number of people a person infects if the disease is left to spread.

[MountAverage]

@JohnPrestwick Correct!

[Anonymous]

Anyone who said no is uneducated in basic biology. I'm going to guess... American?

[ArchEnemy]

@PrincessBunBuns Sure looks like it

[ArchEnemy]

@PrincessBunBuns I am the dumbass? For having an original thought and not running around like a sheep? You gonna put heavy metals and aborted fetus in your body and think it is gonna keep you safe? They admit these are ingredients. I know you are only 20 but Jesus Christ have an original thought for once. The News is 25% truth 75% lies.

[Opinion Owner]

@ArchEnemy yeah you’re the ignorant one. You have no critical thinking skills and just follow stupid YouTube videos and Internet forums like a sheep. You don’t actual understand the science, you don’t read the science.

[PrincessBunBuns]

@ArchEnemy I like how you hit me up in my messages you thought I agreed with you, until I corrected you. You’re pathetic. You believe fake blogs out there that purposely spread misinformation in order to keep you pliant, believing anything that Orange Muppet tells you all, even if actual, accredited individuals have evidence to contradict your beliefs. Vaccines are not in any form toxic. You’re 43 and it’s no wonder you’re a tool.

[Opinion Owner]

@PrincessBunBuns he’s just a sheep that believes whatever Internet forums and blogs tell him lol

[MountAverage]

That ArchEnema guy said believing the virus doesn't even exist is a "valid point". Just ignore him, he's mentally challenged or something. lol

[ArchEnemy]

No you are the sheep anon you are going blindly with the crowd instead of actually researching anything!

[ArchEnemy]

Anon you are an anon for a reason because people will call you out on your BS and lies if you post under your real name.

[ArchEnemy]

Anon is @purplepoppy

[Shamalien]

I have to step in here and say that there is zero evidence a vaccine can be effective for this disease, every attempt thus far has pointed in the 'this shit ain't ever gunna work' direction and for anyone who actually does look into the science a little deeper than a brief scan, you'll know I'm speaking truth.

[purplepoppy]

Sorry archenemy it's not me

[Opinion Owner]

@ArchEnemy Ah yes, your real name "archenemy"... but please ignore him, he's just a sheep who believes whatever he reads on the internet or watches on youtube lol... he doesn't actually understand the science

[sawno]

That is an extremely bigoted opinion to immediately call out people as uneducated and American. Taking a rushed vaccine as one of the first is a risk. And its a personal risk assessment of what you consider more risky, a virus with a 80%+ chance of mild symptoms and eventually proper medication or a quickly developed vaccine we don't know the side effects off. I personally find the risk of self isolation or the medication once readily available to be less than injecting myself with foreign substances. It highly depends on the vaccine that gets offered in my country if i will never take it or only take it after i know no real side effects occurred in anyone if a more dangerous strain arrises.

[Opinion Owner]

@sawno yeah we are assuming the vaccine is only on the market once it's been proven to be safe. Like ALL vaccines available now in the developed world. It's moronic to think that a vaccine, once shown to be effective, is bad because of internet forums and youtube videos. And anti-vaxxers are almost all American (so are flat-earthers, climate change deniers, UFO-ologists)

[sawno]

This is what can happen with a rushed pandemic vaccine even if approved : www.cdc.gov/.../narcolepsy-flu.html

By all means if you want to take the risk and be one of the first to get vaccinated, take the risk. I first want to see if anything funny happens to these people within a year from now like with the narcolepsy outbreak from the 2009 H1N1 shots that are permenent to the people that had the side effect.

[ArchEnemy]

@sawno These people commenting on this post are so stupid they would take an untested vaccine right now. What a bunch of losers got my comment removed because they can't handle the truth. Little babies who want to cling to to their fake simulated reality and anything that threatens that reality any kind of truth spoken they have to resort to reporting or blocking.

[ArchEnemy]

Anon you are the sheep. I believe what is researched not what the fucking TV tells me like you do. You fucking lemming you are a moron.

[Opinion Owner]

@ArchEnemy tv is also a bad source of scientific data, but you are the sheep because you believe whatever youtube or internet forums tell you lol... that's even worse than TV. The most "sheep" like behavior you can have is watching a youtube video on anti-vaccines or flat-earth and then believing it. No thought, no critical thinking. That's why I called you a sheep. Getting your information from youtube and internet forums means you are definitely a sheep.

Not being a sheep means thinking critically, taking time to read the scientific research, understanding it. I don't think that's you.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think the government will give us a choice in the matter. This whole COVID mess has been a tragic exercise in government overreach. And society asked them to do it! SMH...

Since the elderly and immunocompromised will need the vaccine first, they will be the lab rats. I will be among the last to receive the vaccine, and we will have significant shortages for at least the first year or two. If there is one thing the government bureaucrats do exceptionally well, it’s utterly failing to understand the consequences of their decisions.

If the immunity is temporary or the virus mutates significantly (as with the flu), it will be a yearly/seasonal thing, and many people will still get sick, despite the vaccine being available. That’s what is so amusing about this whole situation. There is so much that we don’t know about this virus, and yet we’re rushing a vaccine to market. What could go wrong?

[Anonymous]

It might be an unpopular answer but I would actually have to think about it. I am not an anti vaxxer and usually really pro vaccines. But usually we take years to create vaccines and we study side affects over a longer period. Now everything has to go really fast and their isn't a long time studying side effects. Since I am healthy and young I might not want to risk taking something with potential long term side effects. On the other hand I want to help and protect the vulnerable who can't get vaccines. So I would have to evaluate those two and decide which of those decisions is better for me and so should anyone else.

[sawno]

To me its the only actually intelligent option, smart enough not to inject yourself with foreign substances that are barely tested and rushed, but also not stubborn enough not to make the risk assessment. I hope more people will copy this.

[ovixs90]

No because i don't believe in the virus in first place and if it do exist its like flue.
1 i don't know whats in the vaccine.
2. It seems very suspiciuos more like all planned that everyone must get vaccinated. BS..
3. Need to be blind not to see that media is pushing this virus so much that people would be afraid and get vaccine,.

[Anonymous]

Why would I bother getting a vaccine for an infection that only lasts two weeks and a mortality rate under 1%? Especially if it was rushed into production just now? At this point a vaccine for Covid-19 is riskier than Covid-19. Maybe in 5 or 10 years we will have enough information on a vaccine to warrant its use; but right now it is more useful psychologically than physiologically.

[skywillist]

Hell no

[Ámayas_20]

I don't know if it's just ignorance or what but the mortality rate is a lot higher than 1% and we've known that for months

[Opinion Owner]

Antibody testing has been suggesting that it is lower than 1%. If you are using CNN's numbers you have to remember two things. First, that the "Total Cases" are actually confirmed cases and it is limited to the number of people that have been tested. Second, hospitals have been incentivized to report as many deaths as possible as Covid-19 deaths as they get more federal aid. The current requirement to report a death as a Covid-19 death is that they were on a ventilator. Now most of those deaths were likely from Covid-19; but not all of them were.

[Ámayas_20]

Stop assuming everyone is American it makes you look stupid. I'm going off literally all the medical reports using confirmed COVID 19 cases and confmirmed COVID 19 deaths, now I doubt what you're saying about the US is true but I'll let you have it, even then the death rate is still huge.

[ArchEnemy]

@Ámayas_20 I am sorry but you are a fucking moron you think any of this shit you say matters? There is an agenda at work that is what matters. They got everyone herded like sheep wearing unnecessary masks looking like idiots just to fuck with the people. Go ahead get the vaccine and see how quick the vax fucks you up or worse. They want to depopulate us they follow the Georgia Guidestones which tell them to get the population of the world under 500 million it is a real thing.

[Opinion Owner]

I don't assume everyone is an American. I'm going off of US numbers and US reporting because I am in America and that is what I am exposed to the most. What I am getting at is that the reporting is flawed; and unfortunately the newness of this virus is the primary factor of those flaws. As we have limited testing for this virus. However, the antibody testing is a less flawed approach to quantify cases. As if I get Covid-19 and then recover before testing the traditional swab comes back negative; but the antibody comes back positive (so someone who had the virus isn't missed). Based upon the initial reports from antibody testing in a handful of counties in the US (so these numbers could be outliers) they are suggesting that the actual mortality rate is somewhere between 0.1-0.5%. Which we probably won't know the actual mortality rate of this virus for a few years.

[Ámayas_20]

@ArchEnemy I wouldn't call someone a fucking moron then turn into a full blown tin foil hat wearing idiot. I'm not even going to bother talking to you, you're too far gone.

[ArchEnemy]

@Ámayas_20 Yea all you can do is deflect blah blah blah tinfoil hat but if I show you evidence and proof you won't even look at it you won't research instead you will just cling to your false reality and trust that you have for a world system that wants to see you sick and gives little kids autism. Flu shots that give you the flu instead of prevent it you are 22 and so fucking clueless. You are like everyone else who will dismiss something and not even research and just believe you know better. That is the definition of a moron.

[Ámayas_20]

I agree there are huge flaws with testing but mass testing is happening, slower than we'd like but it is happening. Antibody testing is VERY flawed too as the antibodies may only stay in your system for a few days. We know from confirmed cases vs confirmed deaths the mortality rate is around 21.5%. (Although remember mortality rate isn't perfect on it's own as risk factors and other conditions aren't accounted for) You are right in that we won't know more accurate numbers for a long time.

[Opinion Owner]

@ArchEnemy what is wrong with having Autism?

[Ámayas_20]

@ArchEnemy You're 43 and insane. Again I've spoken to people like you before, people as into conspiracies as you don't even know what a fact or evidence is anymore. Considering you believe the flu vaccine gives you the flu is beautiful proof that you're so misleading and lost. I can't help you, you need a psychiatrist.

[ArchEnemy]

@Ámayas_20 you are full of pride and ego and at 22 think you know it all. I am 43 and can tell you nobody knows it all and when you think you know the answers life changes the questions. If you want a vaccine from a guy like Bill Gates who is on video saying he will use vaccines to depopulate the world and is on video saying these vaccines will make not want to have kids anymore and you trust that? There is no hope for your brain. Bill has also killed kids in Africa with his vaccine trials and on top of that he said in 1997 that in 2020 a flu like illness would attack the lungs and there would be an outbreak. None of these are coincidences that is the reality of it. You wanna live in your simulated reality where the government cares about you? Or you can look at the straight up facts this motherfucker who is not a doctor is working on the vax they are pushing and wants everyone stuck with it. That doesn't seem a little odd to you?

[Ámayas_20]

@ArchEnemy Dude, I don't know how many more ways to tell you that you actually need medical help.

[Bananaman177]

I'll get mine after Bill Gates' kids get theirs.

[DianaWest]

wow. isn't he the one who keeps telling people to take his vaccines?

[ArchEnemy]

@bananaman177 Exactly fuck that pice of trash Bill Gates if idiots get the vax and they end up fucked up or worse they deserve it.

[Anonymous]

No, not first waive as it probably going to be not ready and just on last testing stages and then in the end I don't want to hear ' sorry your ears fall of because we done something wrong with our vaccine', I think I will just wait until all desperate will get it and survive all side effects first... As you will defently will have to sign paper to say that you take all responsibility in what is in it...

I'm not one of those anti-vaccers, I just have patience and can wait for proper stuff, not first overpriced s**t they will try to stick in my vain.

[BusyLizzie321]

As long as it had been tried, tested and side effects were known, yes.

[Michael510b]

I don't need one for the normal flu why do I need one for an odd flu that is more mild then the normal flu.

[Hyper2]

Probably not because when the vaccine is available and approved, corona will be long gone and no one is gonna give two fucks about getting vaccinated. Just go back to H1N1 in 09 and see how many people got vaccinated.

[MountAverage]

Of course I'll get it, I'm neither retarded nor a selfish asshole. I hope it will be mandatory in as many places in the world as possible. Not gonna happen in the US of course, because it's the land of the selfish assholes, but the US is generally doomed anyway.

[MountAverage]

So many stupid fucks here who don't understand how not getting vaccinated affects EVERYONE. Fucking illiterate science deniers.

[Adam1978]

I will wait and see. I will not be first in line, taking a vaccine is a risk also and it should be the lesser one. I skipped the swine flue one, I might skip this too. I can't decide without more facts.

[sawno]

No, especially since the vaccines are rushed to be the first to market.
I would not trust any of that in my body, perhaps in a year with a clear proven benefit and clear proven lack of side effects. But i am definitely not going to risk it.

[kawaiojo]

it has mercury... and no I'm not a conspiracy theorist

[Levin]

Might not be a choice, to be fair. I would rather pass.

[TacocaT6969]

It’s just going to mutate and come back like the flu.

[emmily2396]

By having some immunity to it chances are it won't be as agressive as when you have 0 immunity. In any way, for the majority is better if most get a vaccine or had the virus already

[Shamalien]

@emmily2396 that's not really how immunity works. If the thing mutates and you don't have immunity, you become infected and that's the end of it. Once it's in the lungs, you have it, and when you breath and cough, even if it's not affecting you that negatively because your vaccine causes your symptoms to be downplayed, it will still spread

it's actually more dangerous in a way. Better to not get vaccinated and at least know when you have it so you can isolate yourself. This is assuming the vaccine will work at all, which all current experimentation shows us it won't.

[emmily2396]

I know, that is why we can't stay inside forever...

[emmily2396]

You have some immunity, you aren't immune to the new mutation, but your system kind of has an idea what is there.

[0112358]

@Shamalien No, that's not how it works. Specifically this is why flu vaccines tend to result in milder cases, but perhaps more significantly, why the initial variants of a flu tend to be more nasty. Major flu pandemics have been major new strains, they continue to stick around after that but they aren't different enough so while we might get sick, we don't get as sick. The viruses that caused the Spanish flu, hong kong flu, 2009 swine flu etc are all still kicking around and mutating.

[Spiffy_and_Tails]

Yes I would, no questions asked. #bluepill

https://www.youtube.com/embed/QcUAG6t5aN8

[Aislin9]

Lol, that guy is funny.

[najekim]

I'll be very surprised if a vaccine is discovered. They have yet to find one any of the previous corona viruses, (SARS, MERS, etc.), so odds don't look that great this go-around.

[BeMuse]

I’ll wait to see what Novavax comes up with. They are suppose to start phase I clinical trials either this or next month.

[DiscomfortZone]

Oh wow, difficult question. Let me try! Would you like a million dollars in your account? Would you save a dying child? Would you agree to eat your favourite food? No wonder you went anonymous for this 😆😆😆

[Jaximus-Lion]

If am not infected with the virus! No, i would not take the vaccine.

[PrincessBunBuns]

It’s to prevent the spread. Just like how I’ve never had chickenpox, we get vaccines for it so we don’t catch it in the first place, and increase the risk of others catching it.

[Jaximus-Lion]

@PrincessBunBuns I don't have the complete knowledge of how things works but so far! If a human is not infected there is no need for them getting the vaccine.

[PrincessBunBuns]

I only say this, kindly, because there are benefits. Not trying to argue, but I’ll give you my example. I got my hepatitis vaccine so I have less of a chance to get uterus cancer when engaging in sex, while my chances of getting cancer without the vaccine aren’t set in stone, the benefit is my own.

[Jaximus-Lion]

@PrincessBunBuns Everything is cool here, am not aggressive nor angry here. The hepatitis does not work as COVID 19, i understand your situation and it's good you took the vaccine. All viruses are not the same. It might prevent me from getting it, no idea and still no one knows. If it's so like you say then sure i will get it, but if they say that if you are not infected nor been infected before so there is no need so am not taking it. Not arguing here am just having a conversation with you.

[sawno]

You got it completely backwards here, if you are not infected there is no need to take the medicine.
A vaccine is either giving you a mild case of the virus that you can easily fight off to prevent the worse one or injects chemicals in your body that prevent the virus otherwise. So not taking the vaccine and taking medicine once you get it (If medicine is availible) is possible, but taking the vaccine during or after infection is pointless.