Correction: "HOW MUCH OF THE INDUSTRY-STANDARD QUALITY-CONTROLS WILL BE SKIPPED TO FOR THIS TIME-LIMIT (assuming it is kept)?"
silly rabbit, you can't post intelligent, non partisan breakdowns of well researched information on a forum! There's no cannon fodder for the hardcore leftists, no 'murica' for the hard core righties, there is nothing to latch onto but pure cold facts! Who has time to read those, am I right? All these fucking morons posting about how anyone that won't take it 'denies basic biology, doesn't understand science'it's like they actually read rules for radicals and are consciously fighting for the NWO, except they never read it, they were just brainwashed.
@Shamalien lol Yup, the whole COVID-19 issue has been utterly politicized and oversimplified to fit sound-byte narratives by irresponsible media. Personally detecting and, then, transmitting the intricacies of the problem is like an uphill struggle. Given that this generation has more data available at their fingertips, and this is still an issue makes we want to blame the world's academic systems. Educating citizens should be more than just getting them competent enough to hold jobs.
the very idea that any government regulated institution can properly educate a citizen to be skeptical of government policy is fucking lunacy and the reason we are in this situation in the first place. Uphill battle... that's a nice way to put it XD I would liken it to trying to raise the dead right out of the cold hard ground
@Shamalien Yup. Back in the Philippines, academics is dominated by private-schools. It's the poor who can't afford it who attend government-institutions (but even the poor go into debt just to give their kids a fighting chance to a good education). The competition for tuition-money not only restrains the price-increases of admission, but also provides a variety of educations: Catholic (Franciscan, Dominican, Jesuit, etc.), international (mainland Chinese, democratic Chinese via Taiwan, Japanese, Indian, American, etc.) with coordination of PH Department of Education & foreign ministry/department counterparts, combinations (ex. Chinese Catholic), physical-science specializations, etc. (Of course, that's not to say that majority of my Filipino compatirots are enlightened scholars! lol Locally-made T. V.. programming & the pandemic spread of ridiculously-fake 'news' in PH social-media proves this, even to a depressing degree.)But imagine my surprise when I discovered that most Americans were schooled in government-schools. Unfortunately, education these days is not what it should be.
Damn thats a funny juxtaposition lol yeah I don't know how a country like America let itself sink so low...
Interesting. I don't think the mortality rates are comparable though between the flu and the corona virus. The corona virus has not been allowed to be 'out there', ie with lockdown and all, and the death rates are already similar. Having said that, yes, I would rather swerve the vaccine, for the reasons discussed. However, it wouldn't surprise me if it become mandatory and contingent on going back to work.
@Levin look at Sweden and Switzerland on comparison. Switzerland had the most extreme lockdown in Europe and Sweden didn't have a lockdown. Both countries have comparable infection and fatality rates.The death rates are right now still hyperinflated. Because we are still counting everyone who dies "with" corona as corona death. That's why the average death age is so high (80 years).From a statistical standpoint, not separating those who died with the disease from those that died to the disease is dumb. The numbers will be corrected once we have the data to separate those. However we do have example studies that indicate that the people who actually died to corona is way less than 50% of the death count that is currently all over the media
@Levin i have to correct myself. Switzerland had the WORSE fatality rates than Sweden who had no lockdown while Switzerland had the worst lockdown in Europe. so much for the effectivity of a lockdown...
There's definitely things that don't add up. If there's anything in particular you think I should read, please post it my way. It's hard to filter out the bullshit.
@Levin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6MZy-2fcBw if anything i would suggest listening to this guy. he is probably the worlds most renowned scientist on the topic.
so both the litterally says both numbers, deaths and infections are wrong. we have less deaths that are decumented and more infections than are documented. that means the risk to die becomes 50 TIMES or more lower than the media is currently still telling us based on the initial estimations.
Unfortunately, that's not how it works. Herd immunity can only be reached if 90+ % of the population is vaccinated. And most importantly, all the people who can't get vaccinated (erderly, people with certain conditions, etc.) absolutely depend on that herd immunity. Not getting vaccinated affects EVERYONE, it's not a personal choice. It should be mandatory.
@MountAverage Actually, the percentage needed for herd immunity varies by illness. For airborne viruses like measles it has to be as high as 95%, but for Covid-19 it is more likely to be 60-70%. The percentage is calculated with the formula 1 - (1/R), where R is the average number of people a person infects if the disease is left to spread.
@PrincessBunBuns Sure looks like it
@PrincessBunBuns I am the dumbass? For having an original thought and not running around like a sheep? You gonna put heavy metals and aborted fetus in your body and think it is gonna keep you safe? They admit these are ingredients. I know you are only 20 but Jesus Christ have an original thought for once. The News is 25% truth 75% lies.
@ArchEnemy yeah you’re the ignorant one. You have no critical thinking skills and just follow stupid YouTube videos and Internet forums like a sheep. You don’t actual understand the science, you don’t read the science.
@ArchEnemy I like how you hit me up in my messages you thought I agreed with you, until I corrected you. You’re pathetic. You believe fake blogs out there that purposely spread misinformation in order to keep you pliant, believing anything that Orange Muppet tells you all, even if actual, accredited individuals have evidence to contradict your beliefs. Vaccines are not in any form toxic. You’re 43 and it’s no wonder you’re a tool.
@PrincessBunBuns he’s just a sheep that believes whatever Internet forums and blogs tell him lol
That ArchEnema guy said believing the virus doesn't even exist is a "valid point". Just ignore him, he's mentally challenged or something. lol
No you are the sheep anon you are going blindly with the crowd instead of actually researching anything!
Anon you are an anon for a reason because people will call you out on your BS and lies if you post under your real name.
Anon is @purplepoppy
I have to step in here and say that there is zero evidence a vaccine can be effective for this disease, every attempt thus far has pointed in the 'this shit ain't ever gunna work' direction and for anyone who actually does look into the science a little deeper than a brief scan, you'll know I'm speaking truth.
Sorry archenemy it's not me
@ArchEnemy Ah yes, your real name "archenemy"... but please ignore him, he's just a sheep who believes whatever he reads on the internet or watches on youtube lol... he doesn't actually understand the science
That is an extremely bigoted opinion to immediately call out people as uneducated and American. Taking a rushed vaccine as one of the first is a risk. And its a personal risk assessment of what you consider more risky, a virus with a 80%+ chance of mild symptoms and eventually proper medication or a quickly developed vaccine we don't know the side effects off. I personally find the risk of self isolation or the medication once readily available to be less than injecting myself with foreign substances. It highly depends on the vaccine that gets offered in my country if i will never take it or only take it after i know no real side effects occurred in anyone if a more dangerous strain arrises.
@sawno yeah we are assuming the vaccine is only on the market once it's been proven to be safe. Like ALL vaccines available now in the developed world. It's moronic to think that a vaccine, once shown to be effective, is bad because of internet forums and youtube videos. And anti-vaxxers are almost all American (so are flat-earthers, climate change deniers, UFO-ologists)
This is what can happen with a rushed pandemic vaccine even if approved : www.cdc.gov/.../narcolepsy-flu.htmlBy all means if you want to take the risk and be one of the first to get vaccinated, take the risk. I first want to see if anything funny happens to these people within a year from now like with the narcolepsy outbreak from the 2009 H1N1 shots that are permenent to the people that had the side effect.
@sawno These people commenting on this post are so stupid they would take an untested vaccine right now. What a bunch of losers got my comment removed because they can't handle the truth. Little babies who want to cling to to their fake simulated reality and anything that threatens that reality any kind of truth spoken they have to resort to reporting or blocking.
Anon you are the sheep. I believe what is researched not what the fucking TV tells me like you do. You fucking lemming you are a moron.
@ArchEnemy tv is also a bad source of scientific data, but you are the sheep because you believe whatever youtube or internet forums tell you lol... that's even worse than TV. The most "sheep" like behavior you can have is watching a youtube video on anti-vaccines or flat-earth and then believing it. No thought, no critical thinking. That's why I called you a sheep. Getting your information from youtube and internet forums means you are definitely a sheep.Not being a sheep means thinking critically, taking time to read the scientific research, understanding it. I don't think that's you.
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To me its the only actually intelligent option, smart enough not to inject yourself with foreign substances that are barely tested and rushed, but also not stubborn enough not to make the risk assessment. I hope more people will copy this.
I don't know if it's just ignorance or what but the mortality rate is a lot higher than 1% and we've known that for months
Antibody testing has been suggesting that it is lower than 1%. If you are using CNN's numbers you have to remember two things. First, that the "Total Cases" are actually confirmed cases and it is limited to the number of people that have been tested. Second, hospitals have been incentivized to report as many deaths as possible as Covid-19 deaths as they get more federal aid. The current requirement to report a death as a Covid-19 death is that they were on a ventilator. Now most of those deaths were likely from Covid-19; but not all of them were.
Stop assuming everyone is American it makes you look stupid. I'm going off literally all the medical reports using confirmed COVID 19 cases and confmirmed COVID 19 deaths, now I doubt what you're saying about the US is true but I'll let you have it, even then the death rate is still huge.
@Ámayas_20 I am sorry but you are a fucking moron you think any of this shit you say matters? There is an agenda at work that is what matters. They got everyone herded like sheep wearing unnecessary masks looking like idiots just to fuck with the people. Go ahead get the vaccine and see how quick the vax fucks you up or worse. They want to depopulate us they follow the Georgia Guidestones which tell them to get the population of the world under 500 million it is a real thing.
I don't assume everyone is an American. I'm going off of US numbers and US reporting because I am in America and that is what I am exposed to the most. What I am getting at is that the reporting is flawed; and unfortunately the newness of this virus is the primary factor of those flaws. As we have limited testing for this virus. However, the antibody testing is a less flawed approach to quantify cases. As if I get Covid-19 and then recover before testing the traditional swab comes back negative; but the antibody comes back positive (so someone who had the virus isn't missed). Based upon the initial reports from antibody testing in a handful of counties in the US (so these numbers could be outliers) they are suggesting that the actual mortality rate is somewhere between 0.1-0.5%. Which we probably won't know the actual mortality rate of this virus for a few years.
@ArchEnemy I wouldn't call someone a fucking moron then turn into a full blown tin foil hat wearing idiot. I'm not even going to bother talking to you, you're too far gone.
@Ámayas_20 Yea all you can do is deflect blah blah blah tinfoil hat but if I show you evidence and proof you won't even look at it you won't research instead you will just cling to your false reality and trust that you have for a world system that wants to see you sick and gives little kids autism. Flu shots that give you the flu instead of prevent it you are 22 and so fucking clueless. You are like everyone else who will dismiss something and not even research and just believe you know better. That is the definition of a moron.
I agree there are huge flaws with testing but mass testing is happening, slower than we'd like but it is happening. Antibody testing is VERY flawed too as the antibodies may only stay in your system for a few days. We know from confirmed cases vs confirmed deaths the mortality rate is around 21.5%. (Although remember mortality rate isn't perfect on it's own as risk factors and other conditions aren't accounted for) You are right in that we won't know more accurate numbers for a long time.
@ArchEnemy what is wrong with having Autism?
@ArchEnemy You're 43 and insane. Again I've spoken to people like you before, people as into conspiracies as you don't even know what a fact or evidence is anymore. Considering you believe the flu vaccine gives you the flu is beautiful proof that you're so misleading and lost. I can't help you, you need a psychiatrist.
@Ámayas_20 you are full of pride and ego and at 22 think you know it all. I am 43 and can tell you nobody knows it all and when you think you know the answers life changes the questions. If you want a vaccine from a guy like Bill Gates who is on video saying he will use vaccines to depopulate the world and is on video saying these vaccines will make not want to have kids anymore and you trust that? There is no hope for your brain. Bill has also killed kids in Africa with his vaccine trials and on top of that he said in 1997 that in 2020 a flu like illness would attack the lungs and there would be an outbreak. None of these are coincidences that is the reality of it. You wanna live in your simulated reality where the government cares about you? Or you can look at the straight up facts this motherfucker who is not a doctor is working on the vax they are pushing and wants everyone stuck with it. That doesn't seem a little odd to you?
@ArchEnemy Dude, I don't know how many more ways to tell you that you actually need medical help.
So many stupid fucks here who don't understand how not getting vaccinated affects EVERYONE. Fucking illiterate science deniers.
wow. isn't he the one who keeps telling people to take his vaccines?
@Bananaman177 Exactly fuck that pice of trash Bill Gates if idiots get the vax and they end up fucked up or worse they deserve it.
No they are just not brain dead moronic sheep such as yourself.
Oh do explain to me how having a right to say what is and is not injected into you makes you a terrible person? Next you'll be saying that girls that don't take any dick on a whim are the scum of the earth.
By having some immunity to it chances are it won't be as agressive as when you have 0 immunity. In any way, for the majority is better if most get a vaccine or had the virus already
@emmily2396 that's not really how immunity works. If the thing mutates and you don't have immunity, you become infected and that's the end of it. Once it's in the lungs, you have it, and when you breath and cough, even if it's not affecting you that negatively because your vaccine causes your symptoms to be downplayed, it will still spreadit's actually more dangerous in a way. Better to not get vaccinated and at least know when you have it so you can isolate yourself. This is assuming the vaccine will work at all, which all current experimentation shows us it won't.
I know, that is why we can't stay inside forever...
You have some immunity, you aren't immune to the new mutation, but your system kind of has an idea what is there.
@Shamalien No, that's not how it works. Specifically this is why flu vaccines tend to result in milder cases, but perhaps more significantly, why the initial variants of a flu tend to be more nasty. Major flu pandemics have been major new strains, they continue to stick around after that but they aren't different enough so while we might get sick, we don't get as sick. The viruses that caused the Spanish flu, hong kong flu, 2009 swine flu etc are all still kicking around and mutating.
Lol, that guy is funny.
It’s to prevent the spread. Just like how I’ve never had chickenpox, we get vaccines for it so we don’t catch it in the first place, and increase the risk of others catching it.
@PrincessBunBuns I don't have the complete knowledge of how things works but so far! If a human is not infected there is no need for them getting the vaccine.
I only say this, kindly, because there are benefits. Not trying to argue, but I’ll give you my example. I got my hepatitis vaccine so I have less of a chance to get uterus cancer when engaging in sex, while my chances of getting cancer without the vaccine aren’t set in stone, the benefit is my own.
@PrincessBunBuns Everything is cool here, am not aggressive nor angry here. The hepatitis does not work as COVID 19, i understand your situation and it's good you took the vaccine. All viruses are not the same. It might prevent me from getting it, no idea and still no one knows. If it's so like you say then sure i will get it, but if they say that if you are not infected nor been infected before so there is no need so am not taking it. Not arguing here am just having a conversation with you.
You got it completely backwards here, if you are not infected there is no need to take the medicine.A vaccine is either giving you a mild case of the virus that you can easily fight off to prevent the worse one or injects chemicals in your body that prevent the virus otherwise. So not taking the vaccine and taking medicine once you get it (If medicine is availible) is possible, but taking the vaccine during or after infection is pointless.
there are two theories of history, the theory that everything happens by coincidence, and the theory that when business and governmental interests converge, conspiracy is born. Just be smarter... fuck.
you'd take it immediately? Without any time trial?
That is actually the most concerning part to me, they are rushing it and it won't be a tried and tested vaccine we know the effects off.
don't let the haters bring you down, nothing to be ashamed of, being intelligent
Thank you 😊
Corona virus when it comes out
There will be more than one vaccine for Covid 19. Which one are you asking about?
Bill Gates owns pretty much the entire vaccine industry
Wait, more info. We have an infant in the household who had respiratory issues when he was born, a month ago. Also live with my grandma, who as they say, is one of the most vulnerable as well. I’d get it for me, and for other people. Anyone who says the vaccine is a conspiracy is just an idiot, I’d rather die than have others die because I’m unvaccinated.
are they just an idiot, or are you being manipulated through fear? Granted, you have a good argument for getting the vaccine, if I was in your position and knew the vaccine would actually protect those around me instead of putting them at greater risk, I'd take itbut there is 0 evidence an effective vaccine can be made for this virus, do a little research on it. Whatever does come out of all this funding his not going to prevent coronavirus, just like the flu shot doesn't prevent the flu.
@Shamalien since the virus hasn't been around long, of course there isn't going to be a current tried and tested solution, however vaccines have saved lives and irradiated viruses in the past, and why the flu jab (and no vaccine) is perfect, it could lead to higher levels immunity for those not yet exposed by allowing the white blood cells to develop antibodies for someone who not yet has formed any immunity
@BusyLizzie321 the flu shot isn't even close to effective, it actually increases your odds of getting the flu, and no I am not kidding. There's been many viruses similar to this one in the past, like sars, and we already know that for this kind of virus that enters the lungs and sits there, it is nigh impossible to vaccinate against. This is a giant embezzlement scheme and taxpayers need to be a sold a good story, just like the shitty startup you invested in tries to sell you a nice story when you receive nothing back from your investment
@Shamalien going to be honest, I'd rather take the knowledge from those who work in this field...And no, the flu jab is shit I give you that, but vaccines for respiratory viruses will still develop antibodies, even if it won't give full immune
@BusyLizzie321 vaccines for respiratory issues are never effective, period.
I don’t appreciate these comments under my own, @Shamalien. A quick search can prove you wrong, because certain vaccines prevent respiratory infections and transmission. The whole point of vaccines is to be unable to spread these infections, because you do not have them yourself. That’s why people with asthma are also vulnerable to things like COVID. Goodbye.
how effective was the sars vaccine? this is most similar to sars
a quick search is the enemy of logic, a deep, in depth analysis is how you would find the truth about something. You are misinformed, you are wrong, and you don't understand the risks. What do you not appreciate? I am doing everyone a great service by searching for truth instead of believing the first thing i read. If you want to know why you shouldn't get the vaccine, you can do a little research on the bill and malinda gates foundation, their eugenics manifesto, and how vaccines have been used as eugenics in africa under the guise of helping aids in the past.
Don’t know and won’t bother to argue. Take your comments with BusyLizzie to your PMs.
That is incredibly stupid. You’re paranoid, go home. Don’t you dare talk about eugenics.
Flu vaccines do work. They prevents millions of illnesses a year. But flu viruses mutate quickly and develop new strains every year. So a single flu vaccine reduces your chance of catching flu but doesn't eliminate it, and it only lasts for one year.
oh ya ofc I forgot that anyone with health concerns over shoving a barely tested liquid directly into their veins is an idiot. Far smarter to just trust whatever the government says, after all, governments never, ever lie to their people. So what if a few thousand die, drop in the ocean. They don't care about you kid, they never did.
@Shamalien How did you manage through 36 years of life being this stupid?
good question, maybe it's cause im actually really smart? This could be a good clue for you
@Shamalien You're not smart. You're paranoid, conspiracy theory peddling idiot.I'm going to laugh when everyone is protected through a vaccine and anti-vaxxer idiots like you suffer or die from covid.
Well I guess we'll just have to live our lives and see who turns out to be right. See you at the finish line buddy... however many lifetimes it takes you to get there
@Shamalien lol. You are dumb as fuck.
If you get corona the vaccine will make it worse, they prevent disease by making you ill in a lesser dosis or injecting other foreign material in your body that disrupt the virus. Medicine on the other hand is designed to cure you. Both can be worse or better than the actual virus so its good to be informed of what options there are available and picking the least risky one.