What are your biggest concerns about the vaccine?

[Justneedtokno]

There are several different types of vaccines in development. All of them teach our immune systems how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19. Sometimes this process can cause symptoms, such as fever. These symptoms are normal and are a sign that the body is building protection against the virus that causes COVID-19. Learn more about how COVID-19 vaccines work CDC

Personally I’m not sure of it myself?

[Belgie]

My concerns :
1) the virus is highly mutagenic. In the last few weeks we've identified South African and Brazilian variants (after the UK variant) that seem to spread even faster than before. My concern is that a new strain will make the current vaccines pointless.
2) Brexit has made supply chains a real issue for this part of Europe. I have a concern that vaccine supplies will not get to us in a timely fashion.
3) For herd immunity to work, a certain percentage of the population has to be vaccinated. We've already seen that rampant unfounded paranoia about vaccines lead to a resurgence of things like measles outbreaks. I have a concern that there's so many stupid mindless paranoid mistrustful people now, we'll never actually achieve herd immunity on Covid. So the people who are too sick to receive a vaccine, will never get the protection they should. All because some stupid assholes get their medical information from facebook and think they got the equivalent of a medical degree by using google...

[In_Trance]

Too many things don't make sense.
It's a scam

[Justneedtokno]

I like this

[Chriscunning]

Your high blood pressure and high cholesterol does not spread to other people. Your viruses and bacteria do.

[In_Trance]

@Chriscunning if you research, you'll see that virus is not the cause of disease, and bacteria are essential for survival.

[6RareBit9]

I just have to add yes unhealthy and lazy people have weaker immune systems this means they get sick and spread it too the healthy people Chris you fucking retard.

[Chriscunning]

Really? A virus doesn't make you sick? Damn, I better call all my doctor friends and tell them their medical degrees are misinformed.

[Chriscunning]

@6RareBit9 LOL, OMG and you call me an idiot. So only unhealthy people can make healthy people sick? That makes no sense you fucking retard.

[Vencam]

I won't comment over how "viruses don't cause diseases" as it's not really the point of this opinion, but the example given (having mandatory exercising and such) is wrong and misleading as none of the examples given affect anyone else other then the person practicing them: you don't exercise and get fat? Why would anyone care?
You don't eat healthy and and up with high cholesterol? Someone may complain about medical bills, but still: your issue.
You get infected with a disease and don't follow the directions given to avoid spreading it to the rest of the community? Wouldn't be surprising if said community punishes you for that if the majority of it doesn't agree with your "it's not like it's a virus that spreads this anyway!" (I said "majority" assuming you live in a democratic country)
So yeah, I really don't think that's a good example to make your point (which I'm assuming is something along the lines of: those who make the virus only care about money so we can't know it it's bad for our health or not, most probably not since it'll be made with cheap materials and such)

[Vencam]

*... most probably yes since it'll be made...

[KerubysiO]

I swear this is in the top 10 dumbest comments I have ever read on the internet, very compliments

[KerubysiO]

Oh my god stop spreading bullshits please. And also link your fucking sources. Virus are the cause of the disease, shut the fuck up.

[6RareBit9]

My head hurts virus is not a disease ok. A unhealthy person lower immune they pick up viruses easyer they then are walking panting spreading it to healthy people. People should have to stay in if they got it or not they will spread it from being stupid. A simple test to what people know about how to not spread it and the workings of it to be outside then we be fine. Why a vaccination I don't get it. I've had vaccines for deadly things that are designed to kill people very well that's really scary for everyone and kids, I don't know anouther thing like covid we have made vaccination for lol.

[Chriscunning]

@6RareBit9 Wow, you must be a special kind of special. So 'healthy' people have died from the virus. 'healthy' people spread the virus. Unhealthy people are more likely to have severe complications.

We are so proud of you for having vaccines for deadlier things. But i don't understand why, you must be very healthy.

[Justneedtokno]

Please stop this. Like this base on “it’s not about your health”. Look we all have to take account of our older people ( grandparents) they weak immune system as well. Are you going to punish them too? I’m not going back and forth.

[6RareBit9]

Head hurts dont have time.

[Purple_Rose]

I got it this past Friday and I haven't really had any side effects. I felt really sleepy the next day, but that's it. I work at a hospital so I'm around a lot of people who have it, but I don't want to carry it and give it to someone else. That's why I took it.

[Justneedtokno]

The fact that you said there was some side effects. Is scary to a lot of people. You’re very brave

[Purple_Rose]

I've gotten a lot of vaccines most people don't normally get during my lifetime. I've had to get some because I sometimes travel to certain countries for mission trips.

[ARWINGx1]

was the exact same thing with me, back when I took the Swine Flu Vaccine. (Was unusually tired when at school. So I had to leave early. 'specially asking dad for a ride home. So I don't accidentally sleep in the bus on the way back)

[Chriscunning]

She said she didn't really have side effects.

[6RareBit9]

The vaccines don't stop a person spreading it I dont think, it just don't let you feel any symptoms it is still there doing stuff to body from what I've found about it. Is that true rose?

[Vencam]

@6RareBit9 A vaccine is basically a chemical soup that tries to imitate the virus without harming your body. The result of having that injected is that the body fights the "fake virus" (and here is where you MAY get a fever, swell or other symptoms that depend mostly on your own body) and through that fight learns how to fight any virus like the one that got injected
So, next time the virus tries to infect you, the body will kill it without giving it chance to reproduce using your own cells (which is what viruses do)
Still, the theory with symptoms is that they have to be less severe then the virus (ideally, no symptoms should show up at all, but not that many people don't show no symptoms AT ALL) which is the point of a vaccine: fighting the virus Ina way that will debilitate you as little as possible, win, and win the future battles with that preparation

[6RareBit9]

I know what a vaccine is did you not understand what I said, this vaccination is unknown how it will work yet. It's not tested properly.

[Vencam]

@6RareBit9 If you understood what I said and know how a vaccine works, you should then understand that the objective of the vaccine doesn't simply "stop you from feeling symptoms" (which would mean the virus is STILL using your body to spread around, you only don't feel the bad effects of that somehow) but actually allows your body to kill the virus effectively, thus stopping it from reproducing (in you) thus preventing you from spreading it like someone whose body can't kill the virus as fast (thus letting it reproduce and spread even if eventually winning the battle against it)

[6RareBit9]

It can work in much more ways than you know and also they near always have negative effects too no matter how small. So can you tell me where to read your information that's from the people who do this. I can't find anything that says it's safe to make untested fast vaccination like this yet. I'm waiting to hear somebody outside the pharmacy business say it's okay to do for this type of virus its just one in family of maybe thousands and will this stop a vaccination for diffrent one from this family working as I'm much more scared of some of them becoming as infectious as this as covid. It just lives by spreading of people to people not in people it dies there it's weak.

[kimbim]

I just got tested again. Still negative. My mother in law is in hospital however. She has a very bad Time with her covid infection

[Vencam]

@6RareBit9 Sorry, seems like I missed a notification.
Of course there are side effects. But how often and how serious those are is what makes a vaccine good or bad and "worth the shot" (no pun intended) compared to going through a disease normally.
But if you're looking for information from "outside the box" I don't think I can help much. Still, I hope you will be searching for infos in places that don't take misinformation lightly. Personally I don't think it's easy to find any that does that AND isn't affiliated with anyone in particular

[Jonathanlama]

I am for the vaccine, it is important if it allows everyone to resume a normal life and that it saves lives. All of these conspiracy theories circulating on the internet is truly appalling. The only real question I ask myself is about the side effects

[WindAtMyBack]

None at all. There have probably been hundreds of thousands of things in my life that could have potentially harmed me or killed me. If I worry about all of them I'd go nuts. There have been countless things in my life that I felt were far more dangerous than the vaccine.

It's about risks. Life is full of them. I don't perceive the vaccine as being nearly as high a risk as so many other things in my life. I kept myself alive and in one piece by being aware of the danger. That's the first step. I did so many things every day that really were dangerous. The vaccine is nothing by comparison. Neither is the virus itself. I'm far more concerned every time I get in a car and drive than I am about the vaccine. But that's still nothing compared to the really dangerous stuff.

[gotc147]

False pretences.

COVID has a 99.7-99.8% overall survival rate, making vaccination against it nearly meaningless. Couple with the fact that the reaction to the virus has been so over the top there is no adjective to describe it AND the fact that "public health experts" keep changing their story and moving the goalposts and it makes rational people lose trust that this vaccine actually is what it allegedly is for.

Let's see what all these people getting it are like in 3-5 years, then I'll revisit the issue.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

Questions questions I have a lot of questions so here we go.

1. Like the flu shot are we going to have to get a covid vaccine every year?

2. If I get the COVID-19 vaccine & a friend, family member or someone I don’t know doesn’t get it being that I have a form of covid in my system due to the vaccine can I get them sick?

4. Ten years from now are we going to look back & say why did we get the vaccine?

5. If a woman gets the vaccine & down the road she gets pregnant will her child me immune?

6. Has anyone died after getting the covid vaccine?

7. Did you notice I missed question three?

8. What aren’t doctors, nurses, scientists or the government telling us about the
COVID-19 vaccine?

[Chriscunning]

1. Maybe. Covid mutates slower than seasonal flu by about 1 to 2 molecules per jump. This is apparently a slow mutation.

2. No it won't make them sick. It's an inactive virus so it's not capable of infecting.

4. I have personally never looked back at any of the many vaccines i had an regretted it. Infact learning about vaccines now i am regretting a lot I should've taken.

5. No. Just like your Poloi vaccine won't give your child immunity.

6. From all the conspiracies' and new outlets that I have seen, there seems there may be 1 actual possible death (under investigation). But it you look at the stats it's about 1 in 20 million if not more. All other deaths are unrelated.

7. No.

8. I wouldn't know what we aren't being told. But my doctors are taking it so I am inclined to follow.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

@Chriscunning Thank you for reaching out & one more question in regard to the mutation of COVID-19. If we get the vaccine are we protected from getting the mutated version?

[Chriscunning]

Seems like the experts are a little unsure. My understanding is that if it mutates a bit to much then no the vaccine won't be effective. But so far the key protein is used seems to still trigger our anti-bodies.

by the way, vaccine manufacturers say it will take 6 weeks to adjust the current vaccine to new strains.

[Vencam]

I second what Chris said
Example: the vaccine now "trains" the body to kill the virus by recognizing its characteristic "spiked" shape. So any mutation that is big enough to change the shape of those "spikes" or even remove them would be able to slip past what the vaccines trained the body for and surpass our defenses

[Astarlessnightsky]

Fever and other symptoms are usual since the vaccine weakens our immune system. With the new mRNA one it could be better, because it uses a completly new technology.

The vaccines before that, injected either a weakened or dead virus or antibodies bread in another organism, that thaught our immune system and trained for the real deal, while the new mRNA one simply injects the blueprint for the specific antibody.

But with all new medicines there are sideeffects and long term problems you only see after years. That can be the case here as well, and as it is brand new and only a "few" people have been injected one cannot say wether or not it is safe for everyone.

[Astarlessnightsky]

And my own biggest concern is getting poked by a needle.

[msc545]

Actually, vaccines *cause* an immune response. They don't weaken the immune system.

[Jersey2]

That the local governments are slowing down the vaccinations with their 58nquestions to be answered and ineptitude in moving quickly. I bet they took the weekend off while 10,000 die.

Then Biden spending 160billion on making it faster. Huge money like that is a waste. He thinks spending money is leadership. Leadership is cutting the red tape. Everyone will be getting the vaccine in the next 6 months so don’t make people fill out 58 questions just take their word that they are essential and move it.

Teams need to go through hospitals and jab the front line workers now. Teams need to set up in high school gyms to jab the other essential workers. Get a move on!

[Anonymous]

Every day in the US, there are about 24 people who die each day per million people. This is of all causes. It stands to reason that there will be a lot of people who will die the same day that they get the vaccine. It doesn't mean that the vaccine caused it. There was a doctor who died the day he got the vaccine. At first they were worried that it might have been from the vaccine but it appears it was from an underlying condition that he probably didn't know about. So we have to be aware of whether or not there is a cause and effect relationship.

[Opinion Owner]

And I am not worried about side effects. The slight fever that you might get, or the body aches that you might get, are just signs that your immune system is acknowledging it and gearing up for it.

[Levin]

Honestly, death.

I genuinely believe the thing could kill me. Doctors have expressed concerns about pathogenic priming, which could be horrific. I'm most worried about my parents though, since they're most likely to swallow the horseshit in the media.

The government wants to inject the entirety of the adult population with an experimental vaccine. The covid survival rates in my age range are a bout 99.997% and something like 99.95 in the 50-69 category. That's not prudence. It's absolute insanity. Plus this thing doesn't even seem to stop the spread, but allegedly lessens the symptoms. They admit they don't know, it's subject to further study; yet they know that it is safe: Bollocks. This is not about health (in which case, they would advocate healthy eating, getting out into the sun, exercise, etc), but about control and the last death knell of a thoroughly rotten, conflicted in interest and corrupt system. They want mandatory vaccinations and health passports.

[genericname85]

that way too many people are gonna take it. it was meant as "emergency vaccine" for the elderly to basically buy them a few more months or years before they eventually die.

now suddenly people feel like this vaccine is in any way comparable to shit like polio vaccines, when this is an entirely different beast and the media helps speread this missinformation, like most other missinformation about the disease that has now entered the public consiousness as "true fact", cause the media didn't stop repeating it.

[Torari]

I'm hesitant to take it, as the development process was clearly very rushed. It has not gone through as thorough an approval process as previous vaccines.

As it was developed 5x faster than any other vaccine ever.

I probably won't be taking it. My countries constitution guarantees the government can't force me to take it. And as a 22y, physically fit, non-smoker male with a healthy immune system, Covid-19 is very low risk for me even if I did catch it. The risk of the vaccine is greater for me than the risk of the actual virus most likely.

[Vencam]

As far as I know, while they did accelerate the development, they did so while also employing a bigger number of people to do so. Especially for the testing, which is little more then crunching numbers and sorting out data, increasing the manpower can easily decrease the needed time, unlike with other more complex tasks such as research (the testing is usually the longest part in vaccine development, as far as I know)

[KerubysiO]

They didn't rushed it, they already had old vaccines because vivid isn't a new virus. In a few word some years ago they started to develope a vaccine but then the virus disappeared and so they stopped. The actual vaccine has been created from the old ones.

[Vencam]

Haven't heard anything on that, @KerubysiO would you mind linking something?
As far as I know, while they did have a lot of data on the virus itself, there was no vaccine for it because no variation of it hit the humans so hard, so far. So while the data DID help, all the testing still had to be done from scratch (not that having decades of experience in vaccine-making doesn't help, but still)

[KerubysiO]

@Vencam I actually know this because a friiend of my mom worked with this vaccines. As soon as my mom comes back home I will ask her further informations if you want. In the meanwhile I can look for some links on Google if you want or you can google it by yourself

[KerubysiO]

@Vencam I can't publish link in my comments because of my level. by the way if you copy paste the thing I am about to write you will find the website I think:
Researchers were not starting from scratch when they learned about SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.

[Vencam]

Sure, don't worry about the links ahahah. Thanks for the Google reaserch, still.
But judging by the sound of it, it doesn't sound much different from what I knew already: while they did have data on the virus, they didn't have a vaccine READY for it. They just had an easier time developing one (and still had to test it FROM SCRATCH)
I'll confirm/unconfirm once I have the time to reaserch it a bit more if you'd like

[KerubysiO]

@Vencam yes, for sure. They already had some datas from an old vaccine that they developed years ago. So they didn't start compeltely from scratch trust me. Also sorry for my English, it isn't that good since I am Italian

[Torari]

@Vencam yes. But without any longitudinal data, testing still is not as good.

The reason vaccine development normally take sso long is that testing requires longitudinal data. They need to know if side effects may occurs 5 years from taking the vaccine as well as the day after.

[Vencam]

That's a good point, @Torari. Unfortunately I don't have a clear understanding of how they evaluate the possible risks coming from not having a very long testing period, but I'm ASSUMING they have a method good enough to make sure that in 5 years, the vaccinated population will suffer from FAR less issues then if they went through the normal disease, which is the point of vaccines (e. g.: Having a fever instead of being recovered for a week in the hospital, or getting a small allergic reactions instead of permanent scars on you lungs)
Of course, that is my assumption, but with the technology used (that disappears from the body quickly unlike other vaccines' contents), the resources we have (supercomputers and quantum computers that allow to finally simulate chemical reactions) and the experience gained over the decades, not to mention the peer pressure of the whole world over the teams making the vaccine... I don't think it is a very wild assumption

[Vencam]

@KerubysiO Le coincidenze... Ahahahah

[kimbim]

I'm just waiting my turn, and when I get the call, I'll go get the little prick like so many times before.

Some of my friends had this disease, and they say it's pretty nasty. Couple of them are still battling the lingering effects now, months later.

So yes, I don't see any sane educated reason not to. We get so many vaccines anyway, especially those of us who travel a lot.

Last year I think I got shot 3 times within that one year, I was going to Ukraine and Japan, and I live in both Denmark and the USA simultaneously, so I get a ton of vaccines.

I thought about getting one of those microchips, but the needle to put a microchip in is so big that even I don't want that.

[Justneedtokno]

So you do whatever the government tells you to do

[kimbim]

Which of the two governments are you talking about? Like I said, I live in two countries. That means two governments!!

If we are still on the vaccine subject, none of the governments are telling me to get a vaccine. Neither the hundreds I already got or the covid-19 vaccine. It's just the smart thing to do

When I was in Ukraine I got brain infection vax. I don't want to get brain bugs or virus so I get a vaccine against it before going to a country where it can happen

It's pretty easy to understand (at least I think so)

[KerubysiO]

I know a pwerson that worked on this vaccines and she says they are 100% good. Pfizer's vaccine use Rna that will stay in your body for a very short period of time. As a consequence you won't have permanent side effects as a lot of idiots say and this won't alter your Dna either.

[Vencam]

Although I agree (as that is the same kind of information I could reliably find up to now) I don't think you're making a good argument by saying "someone that works there says their products are good" ^^

[6RareBit9]

Can you add the testing and statistics to where your friend got this idea from I'm not able to find anything logical to go on yet to do with this way they test and what it does really.

[KerubysiO]

@Vencam vencam I am the same that gave you the information in your comment above ahhahahah

[KerubysiO]

@Vencam furthermore I can't see any ways an 18 years old could possibly gain something saying vaccines are good. Plus I can't share the links since gag doesn't allow that if you aren't lvl Xper 3 I think.

[6RareBit9]

Just the the address or something lol

[6RareBit9]

Type the.

[Vencam]

@KerubysiO Lo so, non stavo argomentando il punto (con cui concordo) solo il fatto che dire "tizio che lavora lì dice che è roba buona" non suona convincente per nulla ^^
Tanto vale non parlarne proprio e nominare solo i dati riguardo L'RNA eccetera

[Anonymous]

I got my first does of the Pfizer vaccine about two weeks ago along with thousands of my coworkers. I had zero side effects and the worst I've heard that anyone else experienced was a mild headache for a day.

I do not understand the anti-vax nonsense.

[Justneedtokno]

Where are you from? Also what is the Pfizer

[Opinion Owner]

I am from the US and am a healthcare worker. The Pfizer vaccine is one of two being offered right now, the other being the Moderna vaccine.

[Nalix]

I'm concerned about how fast it was developed without the usual safely restraints or liability.

My biggest concern is government mandates for vaccines, not the vaccine itself. People may think that's a slippery slope, but it's exactly the kind of slippery slope that usually does end up getting slipped.

[KerubysiO]

It was created in a very short time because they already had something to work kn since the covid isn't new to this world

[Nalix]

Yeah, that doesn't make it more suspicious at all...

[Anonymous]

so far, the vaccine seems to have a similar death rate to the virus. I see old people with comorbidities dying from the vaccine, and government telling us those people were gonna die anyway, but when those same people die from the 'virus', they tell us it was the virus that killed them and not their other diseases and whatever. There's clearly something wrong with this picture.

[Justneedtokno]

This is true and in some cases causes more underlining problems.

[bamesjond0069]

Vaccines have a vaccine injury rate, this rate is published on the CDC typically. You can get seriously disabled or even die from a vaccine. So if the chance you will get vaccine injured is less likely than you will get a similar level of disability or death from the disease then you take the vaccine obviously. If not, then you don't.

The problem is even with the flu vaccine you are more likely to be permanently disabled or die from the vaccine than from the flu. Same with covid as far as we can currently tell, best guess since we don't have all the ideal data to make a perfect choice. The only people it makes sense for is those in high risk segments of the population, sick and elderly basically.

[SlightlyEccentric]

What they say is in it vs. What is actually in it

Reagan always said the nine scariest words you'll ever hear are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." I don't trust it one bit. I'll let my more than adequate immune system deal with this unimpressive virus. My body, my choice.

[Vencam]

I wish we could boil it down to "my body, my choice"...
Too bad that doesn't work that well when one wants to do things together with other people and those people care about what diseases your body could harbor, making "your problem" into "their problem"...

[ninaneedshelp]

Well the fact that they want everyone to be vaccinated scares me. If your vaccine works why are you worried about me not being vaccinated? I’m not worried about you catching it if you have the vaccine. Also Covid is a virus and viruses mutate we’ve learned this from science and by the time they get the first vaccine out there will be another strain. Defeats the purpose.

[Darcia]

It causes Bells Palsy. My friend has Bells Palsy and it affects him. I don’t want this for me nor my future kids.

[Justneedtokno]

Please explain what Bell’s palsy is?

[Darcia]

Bell palsy is a disorder of the nerve that controls movement of the muscles in the face. This nerve is called the facial or seventh cranial nerve. Damage to this nerve causes weakness or paralysis of these muscles. Paralysis means that you cannot use the muscles at all.

[Justneedtokno]

Thank you I never heard this? Where are you from?

[Darcia]

USA, TX

[Phoenix98]

It being rushed. Anyone with common sense knows that a rushed vaccine could up not only being not effective but potentially really dangerous or cause a whole host of problems including life altering ones like infertility.

[najekim]

From what I have read, this vaccine will only reduce the symptoms of the virus if you catch it, not make you immune to the virus. I have also read that a lot of the test subjects became sicker than they would have without the vaccine, short of dying, after the second dose.

So it doesn't make you immune and still can knock you out of commission for awhile, not a good fix, IMHO.

[Vencam]

Could you link anything, or name the site/sites you visited, please? I'm a tad concerned as that is waaay different information from what I could find so far

[Chriscunning]

@najekim I think you have been reading the wrong web sites:
www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7002e1.htm

"reports of 4,393 (0.2%) adverse events after receipt of the vaccine had been submitted to VAERS" - 4393 from 1.8 million vaccines.